h2-discussion

[sleek oar]

Unless its really high fear i dont get it

[icy halo]

If you've been using it with just the gust cast, that's probably why you think it's bad 😄

[little mason]

and im telling you no one in there right mind would take dash gale

[icy halo]

Well, at any Fear, if you have timer on and you're learning that speed and maybe struggling with it for a while - what you really, really don't want is more enemies 😆

[icy halo]

And I'm telling you, anyone aiming to make use out of that duo would, so saying it's crap without it is ridiculous 😆

[sleek oar]

Well yes, but overall id say it becomes a really fun vow after a while imo

[verbal hinge]

launcher or siege frame?

[icy halo]

Frankly I dunno why people don't rate gale cast, do they not know it also means "projectile slowing aura wherever you sprint"??

[thin laurel]

frigid rush is goated what are you on abt

[icy halo]

Right????????

[little mason]

bro u guys are so bad

[thin laurel]

trivializes rivals hecate, makes rivals scylla way easier, clears wards, AoE origination, it's like. top 3 universal rush boons lmao after blinding and nexus

[icy halo]

My, a friendly respectful person to have a conversation with! What fun!

[thin laurel]

kinda meh at low fear I'll give you that, but the harder the fights are the more it pops off

[sleek oar]

And its just kinda way more fun to play than other rush boons

[verbal hinge]

people actually use gust on cast instead of dash for the duo?

[rustic basin]

I just rarely take any Rush boons regardless lol

[icy halo]

That's the real surprise here

[thin laurel]

the cast version is great for charon, and apollo is great for charon, so in that specific situation I sometimes take the duo lol. but I don't aim for it
ngl I rarely aim for the duo at all, it just shows up sometimes

[icy halo]

You play with onion fear I imagine?

[little mason]

its only good for selling

[icy halo]

I have onion fear it's called IBS 😔

[verbal hinge]

no i mean..
i like the duo i guess?

just why would you use it with cast when dash is so much better

[thin laurel]

also like. don't get me wrong, frigid rush is MUCH better than the apollo demeter duo boon, it's good for utility more than damage and the damage from the duo is just okay

[rustic basin]

Yeh, I’m mainly 62 rn but I do ~52 for fun runs

[little mason]

cast and supernova is way better

[verbal hinge]

or is cast better?
can you stand anywhere in the cast or does it have to be only in the gust edge?

[thin laurel]

but at 62 fear I take frigid rush so often lmao. frigid and blinding rush are my ideal rush boons at 62, no contest
nexus is fine, good orig, but no utility and I'd rather put hitch on atk/spec/cast

[verbal hinge]

it's only about utility a frozen/slowed mob is one i'm going to kick the shi out of; idc if the slow itself does zero damage

[sleek oar]

Passion rush trust guys

[rustic basin]

I take Blinding if it shows up and if it doesn’t then I simply do not get a Rush Boon

[verbal hinge]

someone tell me

[little mason]

what a rush that must be

[thin laurel]

for the duo? ngl I use the duo so rarely that I have no idea, I'd assume you have to be within the gust itself

but idk, frigid rush is severly slept on
the duo boon is mid, but part of the reason why is that like 99% of the value of frigid rush is utility, not damage

[verbal hinge]

yeah that would make it terrible
and yes the duo happens incidentally i don't think anyone actually goes for it hah

it happens with charon

[verbal hinge]

yeah i agree completely if i can rush around slowing everyone idc if it does zero damage

[rustic basin]

Honestly I’d take Frigid more often if either A) I weren’t looking for like, every other Demeter Boon and B) if I weren’t thrown off whenever projectiles do move slower in it

[thin laurel]

tbh I think the time apollo + dem duo with arctic gale is most likely to come up is like....
momus or circe, god pool of demeter apollo ares, with ares dem duo too

[verbal hinge]

but there are better rush boons so

[little mason]

you guys are litterally proving my point

[thin laurel]

about the duo? cause yeah I agree the duo is kinda garbage

[little mason]

not kinda it is

[verbal hinge]

nobody said it wasn't
but if it's there why not get it

[little mason]

kobe straight into the bin

[thin laurel]

but about frigid rush god no, I love that thing so much lol it's underrated as hell, the part I disagree with is "nobody in their right mind would pick frigid rush"

[verbal hinge]

i didn't even know it existed after 230 hours of playing so

[sleek oar]

Tbh i do just like arctic gale to throw in the build

[verbal hinge]

exactly
frigid dash is awesome

gust on circumference of cast is p cool too, since i'm always spamming cast

[rustic basin]

Wards clear + Orig + slowdown is pretty nice

[thin laurel]

both gusts are pretty solid tbh
altho I feel like arctic gale is more often just free orig + a froth merchant + wards clear, whereas frigid rush is more practical for defensive value

[verbal hinge]

but hera dash and heph dash are nicer so i usually get those

and apollo for the speed and origination

[rustic basin]

I do need to try Nexus Rush more now that they apparently buffed it

[thin laurel]

but idk, I love being able to just hold sprint during rivals hecate sheep ball and never have to dash lol, ily frigid rush
wouldn't take it if it meant no freeze for the full run, but it's so nice

[sleek oar]

I cant take heph dash i really dislike how it plays 😭

[rustic basin]

It should work like Aphro’s IMO

[little mason]

nexus rush still sucks because its only if they dont have the debuff

[verbal hinge]

if i'm in chamber 39, how many encounters to prom?

[thin laurel]

nexus feels like an offensive version of blinding now, the AoE is very solid
also it can solo room clear region 1 without wards lmaooo

it falls off hard and becomes a hitch utility later and against armored enemies, but slap it on supay and you just oneshot most things if wards isn't on, it's a dumb and very fun boon

[rustic basin]

Damn. Tho I guess you’re not exactly struggling for AoE if you go for the other Hitch effects too

[thin laurel]

yeah
and also the initial damage from hitting a new enemy is spread via hitch too

[silk moth]

should i be kissing your feet or something? or what?

[verbal hinge]

oh wow i hadn't rhought of it on supay i was doing zeus

[thin laurel]

which is why it can solo room clear lol, if an enemy has armor/wards/generally survives, it dies from hitch damage as you hit other enemies. extremely funny experience

[rustic basin]

Oh it goes off after? That makes it way better, holy hell

[little mason]

if you want

[silk moth]

i was being sarcastic lol. you're not fun to make conversations with.

[thin laurel]

it's inconsistent on supay because there's a long cooldown on the damage per enemy, so it's very very meh for bossing
but it's great for burst damage and finishing off weak enemies in one hit, and with supay you rly want good special/attack boons anyway

[little mason]

so was i

[verbal hinge]

is there anything i actually want from dionysus?

[thin laurel]

worry free is actually VERY good if you don't mind the downside

[silk moth]

the boon where you heal back the hp you lost in an encounter is goated

[little mason]

get a life to know you dont have life?

[thin laurel]

oooh yes also bounce back! both very very good
drunken stupor is meh for bosses but good room clear on omega heavy weapons

the festive fog and grape juice are fine and have no downside
the money one is good if you're broke but otherwise bad

[silk moth]

i dont need it as much anymore because i've gotten better in fighting Typhon's mini-bosses, but it's nice to have

[verbal hinge]

oh sick he had it epic

[thin laurel]

tipsy shot and reckless abandon are like....... "exercise extreme caution, these often suck 💀"

[silk moth]

is tipsy shot the one where you cast?

[little mason]

im always broke though shops cost so much more with high fear

[verbal hinge]

someone said his 5 55 555 is really good with air quality?

[little mason]

yes very good :trollface

[thin laurel]

real... but also I usually have a lot of money from chrolex, at least

[thin laurel]

if your weapons attacks already do such low damage that air quality affects them, then it's fine. not amazing, but fine

[little mason]

maybe like supay??

[thin laurel]

yeah Hel and Supay pretty much

or primed out anubis I guess lol...? since the non-omega attack is iirc 20 base damage

[verbal hinge]

i wanted to try it on hel yeah

[little mason]

what the hel is he talking about

[thin laurel]

on hel it's very fun lol. idt it's ever the best dio offering, like if he has worry free or bounce back then take those in most cases

[fickle drum]

So, to me it feels like Ω moves on the coat aren't really optional. Which means I actually have to learn to use them. Which probably means I have to learn how to use the Cast too.

[thin laurel]

which aspect? you p much never use omega attack or omega special on 2/4 of the coat aspects

[fickle drum]

I mean Melinoe I guess. Or Selene?

[thin laurel]

Melinoe can 100% ignore omega moves. Selene does want to use magick tho yeah, if you're using the Hex

but Mel coat just wants scorch/splash/blitz/static shock, on-hit effects that take advantage of the fast attack speed

[little mason]

People use coat haha

[fickle drum]

I mean, grave thirst does in fact land on the coat, so of course I use it.

[verbal hinge]

what is this sophies choice

p service or master conductor?

[thin laurel]

Mel Coat = ignore omegas entirely
Nyx Coat = use the special omega dash, but never Ωatk/Ωspecial (the aspect bonus doesn't even work on them)
Selene and Shiva = use magick to play them as intended, but you can also play them like Mel coat (and at very high fear that's sometimes more practical)

[thin laurel]

what weapon is this again?

[little mason]

have you ever used coat?

[rustic basin]

Mel Coat wants to use exactly one Omega per encounter and that’s to get Huntress up

[thin laurel]

oh it's coat right? master conductor easy

[verbal hinge]

mel coat
i'm leaning towards conductor

[fickle drum]

I don't even have Huntress on right now.

[little mason]

😭

[verbal hinge]

but i can't do the math

[thin laurel]

even then, most of your damage comes from on-hit effects, so losing huntress isn't that huge a deal if you prime out etc

[fickle drum]

I mean it's good but I just can only fit so many things.

[thin laurel]

have you switched over to using orig? iirc you weren't
and origination is a "I use this on every single build" type of card

[fickle drum]

I can't fit it.

[rustic basin]

Idk, I kinda like running Hera on Spesh where applicable, but on-hits are also plenty viable

[thin laurel]

origination is maybe the single best card in the game, so like. you can def choose to ignore it! but it's worth getting rid of stuff to fit, it's insanely good

[buoyant matrix]

i need a single more 62 surface win to max my rank 😂

[rustic basin]

Not that I don’t have plenty of 62s with random things on the Spesh with it, but still lol

[fickle drum]

Yeah sure but I can't fit what I can't fit.

I can't unset the boatman right now.

[thin laurel]

oh yeah on spesh!
but I feel like between attack and special I usually have something on-hit, aphro attack + hitch special feels kinda meh 🤷

[fickle drum]

Maybe later I can. But not right now.

[thin laurel]

if your grasp isn't maxed out yet then fair, which is maybe what you're implying?

but once it is, for me it's more a matter of "I can't fit these other cards since origination is too important," not ever "I can't fit origination"

[buoyant matrix]

i bet they're using unseen or excellence

[fickle drum]

Besides, uh, I'm not sure how obvious this is but I only have two cards that aren't still in their base form.

[little mason]

people who use unseen need a gold trophy

[rustic basin]

Just comes down to preference and gamestate, I think. Big fan of Scorch on Spesh but I did also just make Heph work for it in the last run I did, so

[fickle drum]

It's less about not having enough grasp and more about not being able to unset the boatman.

[thin laurel]

ty I just cleared 62 fear Eos with Unseen yesterday :) 🏆

[thin laurel]

ooh interesting! tbh I haven't taken any coat other than nyx past 40f yet, so my impression of it mainly comes from other people's advice

[verbal hinge]

what's the optimal strength arcana layout?

[fickle drum]

Although grasp also isn't maxed out.

[real scarab]

I used in 2 50f supay runs today

[thin laurel]

rerolls or post-ending with fate's whim? also what aspect, cause that can change things (i.e. is huntress any good, is night any good etc)

[real scarab]

pretty good for early game

[little mason]

🤓 👆 THEN just max it???

[fickle drum]

That's not very helpful.

[verbal hinge]

rn i'm using haelians loadout it's reroll heavy with no huntress or night

[thin laurel]

once grasp is maxed out, most arcana sets have two 5 cost cards, since there's plenty of room for that
so it's both reasons 🤷 valuing boatman more rn, and limited space so can't fit both yet

[little mason]

ok dont upgrade it ever guess thats more helpful kek

[verbal hinge]

i don't really change my loadout depending on aspect
i probably should i guess
but it's so much work

[thin laurel]

which aspect are you using? I don't watch haelian lol but I assume his loadout is good, prob has furies and persistence as the 2 cost cards which is like... correct™

[fickle drum]

I do have two five costs. The one I'd unset is Boatman, which I can't right now.

[thin laurel]

ah so you're using excellence?

[verbal hinge]

fures and persistence yes

[fickle drum]

Oh, one HUGE QoL this game has over Hades 2. You can set cards while in the same room you set weapons and keepsakes.

[thin laurel]

for rerolls it's harder to justify tbh, the reroll corner takes up a lot of grasp
I have different presets for different categories of weapon, which can be nice, but is easier to do for fate's whim stuff

[rustic basin]

Yeh, my clears for Mel Coat went (ATK/SPSH):
62, Wounds/Hitch, Blitz/Blasts, Blitz/Waves
64, Apollo(?)/Blasts

[fickle drum]

I think that's the one, I don't have them all memorized.

[thin laurel]

oooh wounds hitch is fun

[verbal hinge]

the reroll corner is horrible and the worst part is if you switch from death to strength you lose divinity

[fickle drum]

Once I have what I need and am better at the game I'll consider origination.

[verbal hinge]

which might or might not be a big deal idk

[thin laurel]

just an FYI, excellence is almost universally considered a new player trap and extremely not worth it
so dropping that for origination is 100% going to be an upgrade. you can choose to keep excellence, but it's not nearly as powerful as it sounds, it's a kind of mid card tbh. I run it rarely, but only when using post-ending keepsakes

[little mason]

consider maxing the grasp so you are at full power

[verbal hinge]

origination is the best card in the game what is there to consider

[thin laurel]

(also @buoyant matrix you were right, excellence)

[verbal hinge]

i mean my entire focus was only psyche until it was maxed

[rustic basin]

Wounds on the Spesh might also be fun but it seems like it’d be pretty underwhelming compared to some other options. Maybe with Scorch Attack or something to compensate would be fun. I think the main thing is just that literally anything works on it LOL

[little mason]

i told him to get max grasp and he said that wasnt helpful :kek

[rustic basin]

I think it’s my favorite weapon overall for that aspect (heh) of it alone

[thin laurel]

it wasn't for high fear, but a nyx surface speed with wounds on spesh felt great for me
shimmering rockets nyx with wounds is just crazy room clear. wards prob gets in the way of that tho

[fickle drum]

Because it wasn't, duh.

[verbal hinge]

kek <-- this one
kek
kek

[little mason]

😭 kek this guy

[fickle drum]

Can you just stop trolling?

[rustic basin]

Probably not alllll that badly, but you would definitely want Shimmering even more with Wards in the mix at that point

[verbal hinge]

nobody's trolling?
unless you're trolling
because if you said maxing grasp is not important that is hilarious

[thin laurel]

lmao this was a weird run... all % stuff https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1440975809547337790/Screenshot_2025-11-20_at_12.02.20_AM.png?ex=692805cd&is=6926b44d&hm=7bc91c47e2fc35d6cc034bb9d0719e2e50ca7a9323eed9333bdbb1c36904d0fd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700
but the specials popped off

[fickle drum]

They're giving unhelpful non-advice and make fun of me for calling them out.

[rustic basin]

Damn, love to see it

[little mason]

max grasping is helpful advice

[fickle drum]

How?

[verbal hinge]

making fun of you is not trolling
what unhelpful advice?

[little mason]

what other advice can i give dont max grasp? and sell ur psyhe

[fickle drum]

"Just max grasp bro"

[verbal hinge]

yes

that is top tier advice

i can't believe you need to be told

but literally your problem is that you're not maxing grasp

[fickle drum]

Stop intentionally misrepresenting. What do you have to gain from this?

[verbal hinge]

why you care about the tone he said it in?

do you even know what trolling is?

because it's not people being mean to you lmao

[fickle drum]

So you're both trolling me.

[little mason]

i give up lol

[verbal hinge]

good grief

i'm done with this clown

[fickle drum]

Clowns on me

[little mason]

ur gaslighting isnt going to work my guy

[verbal hinge]

whatever you say, kid

just say it to someone else

[fickle drum]

Calls me clown

[thin laurel]

I do genuinely recommend dropping excellence for origination, though.
universal damage% is really good, whereas rarity (from excellence) is only really important on a few specific boons in your build. you can get two status curses from origination from any combo of two gods, and getting used to setting that up now will help a lot in the long run.
excellence is genuinely a kind of bad card, boatman is almost always more valuable and origination sweeps both of them, so. try it out, fr, no reason to wait 🤷 excellence isn't worth it

[fickle drum]

I really appreciate your advice.

I don't understand what their problem is.

[little mason]

max grasp so you can be at max power bro

[verbal hinge]

your shoesize iq
it's annoying

[little mason]

considered trolling 🐹

[fickle drum]

How is it not?

[thin laurel]

guys I think we can just move on
this conversation is entering "we're risking getting a stern reminder from the mods to be civil" territory

[verbal hinge]

only by people who don't know what trolling is

which, tbf, is most people on the internet today

[little mason]

trolling is saying something harmful and untrue so you end up in a worse spot and i find it funny to funk with you

thats not what i was doing,. telling you to sell ur pshyce would be trolling

and im done thanks

[fickle drum]

I mean, you're pretending that "just raise your grasp, bro" is genuine advice

[little mason]

You said u were missing grasp and I said to Max ur grasp

[verbal hinge]

at this point i feel like you're trolling by pretending to not understand why it's genuine advice

but it also makes sense that you don't understand, because if you were capable of understanding, you wouldn't need to be told

a downs riddled twelve year old would know to max grasp asap

so no one is trolling you

you're just really stupid

[fickle drum]

Yes, that's a very funny joke once but why are you repeating it?

[little mason]

I said it once and you told me I was trolling that's why we had this conversation

[fickle drum]

Is it normal in this server to just insult people?

I first said it wasn't helpful

[verbal hinge]

no one is "just" insulting you

and if this came out of left field, then it's 100% not an insult, just a simple statement of fact

[thin laurel]

💀

[fickle drum]

"Me calling you stupid is not an insult but a statement of fact", really?

[thin laurel]

can y'all drop it
"your shoesize iq" is an insult, joking or not
take this to dms or move on, fr

[verbal hinge]

again, you left out some steps

you suddenly being surprised by me insulting you means that calling you stupid is a statement of fact

your reading comprehension is abysmal

[verbal hinge]

i mean.. i don't WANT to talk to him he keeps engaging me

[fickle drum]

You keep insulting me lol

[verbal hinge]

because
of
the
things
you
say

[thin laurel]

then simply stop replying

[buoyant matrix]

well you stop engaging

[fickle drum]

What did I say that's so unsult worthy?

[verbal hinge]

SIGH i suppose

nobody tell him let him sleep on it

[fickle drum]

All I did was say certain fake advice isn't helpful.

[foggy sable]

what on earth are yall talking about

[verbal hinge]

@thin laurel epic caldera or p service for coat?

[thin laurel]

caldera

[verbal hinge]

this is 100% gaslighting that other kid called it

[fickle drum]

Someone seems to genuinely think "Just raise your grasp bro" as if I'm not already working on that is genuine advice.

[thin laurel]

p service is just going to be more attack and move speed, which might be nice if you were playing a diff attack boon
but with blast attack nah, more attack speed won't make you blast more often so why bother

[little mason]

its ok now

[fickle drum]

As if I can just magically max out my grasp without going out and earning more resources.

And then they accuse me of gaslighting

[graceful dune]

And now i've spent 20 minutes decorating the crossroads

[little mason]

that was my favorite part of hades 1

[thin laurel]

good as you should
what's your crossroads music of choice?

[graceful dune]

lap of luxury

[fickle drum]

I can't imagine doing that but I can totally see why people do it.

[little mason]

playing the harp was fun in hades 1

[fickle drum]

Explain to me how this is gaslighting.

[buoyant matrix]

excellent taste

[graceful dune]

I needed more calming music because before it was playing end of time and I don't need Louis Cole in my ears 24/7

[verbal hinge]

did you unlock incantations?

someone said decorating unlocks new ones but ive done almost all extra decor and no new incantations yet

[fickle drum]

I just played the harp because the List made me do it.

[little mason]

wont drop

[verbal hinge]

no

im not responsible for your education

[fickle drum]

So you're just lying.

[graceful dune]

nope not yet. I ran out of kudos though, so I prob need to get more decos

[thin laurel]

please drop this. genuinely. idc who is in the right or in the wrong, this is a deeply annoying use of this channel

[verbal hinge]

your opinion means nothing to me so you can think whatever helps you sleep at night

[verbal hinge]

ok no more

[fickle drum]

I mean I'll just ask the mods if it's normal to be toxic like this then.

[verbal hinge]

ugh i wonder if it's in the alt decor i don't have any kudos either

i keep spending psyche until it's at 5000

idk why i'm saving 5000 psyche what is it even good for anymore other than kudos?

[buoyant matrix]

what incantation do you expect to unlock with decors lol

[graceful dune]

I don't sell my psyche because it says needed resource. I don't know what I need it for anymore I have like max grasp.

[little mason]

more rooms for characters stay at

[verbal hinge]

SOMEOEN. SAID

also didn't bartender incantation unlock with decors?

[verbal hinge]

yeah same but if i need more than 5k i have bigger problems so i think that's safe

just wiped ||heroes part deux||, still have all defiances

feelin good about this one

[graceful dune]

How much fear?

[verbal hinge]

just the 4 rivals

[graceful dune]

Ahh okie gl

Have you won against ||Chronos x Tiffany|| yet?

[verbal hinge]

negative
i just BEHELD him
then he killed me

[graceful dune]

Damn that sucks

Trust this is the run

[verbal hinge]

wow twins hitless

that's new
they didn't even have time to burrow

[graceful dune]

Damn. Twins is hella fun to bully though, but hitless is pretty nice still.

[verbal hinge]

hahaha i picked up secret crush and it makes mobs just.. disappear

[verbal hinge]

yeah that's definitely a first for me maybe im actually learning to play

or maybe mel coat op af

[graceful dune]

Coat is just op in general

OK now lock in on that boss fight

[buoyant matrix]

the trick to unrivaled typhon is to simply keep all your defensive resources until p4

[thin laurel]

blasts are also just kind of op if you invest enough into them
enough blasts and your weapon is just Hephaestus lol

[little mason]

but what if i have none 😼

[graceful dune]

no dd, no strength, no armor, just dps, trust

[buoyant matrix]

death sentence 🫵

[little mason]

mario death sound

[buoyant matrix]

don't even need dps just summon a bunch of allies and they'll do it for you

[graceful dune]

Night Bloom my beloved

[verbal hinge]

PRETTY MUCH
dash attack, clang, all gone

[buoyant matrix]

carried my 62 fear run ong 💯

[little mason]

just summon a boss to kill a boss hmmm

[graceful dune]

I need to get into high fear. Ts sounds fun

[buoyant matrix]

the unrivaled typhon enemies are actually worse than base typhon for summoning

i had a polyp deal 14k damage to him in like 3 seconds. you think yargonaut can do that with his stupid fish swings?

[little mason]

wait really 😵

[verbal hinge]

bokn bag > aphro > love handles

[graceful dune]

Yeah I realized that as well. Unrivaled typhon enemies do way more damage than rival typhon enemies.

[verbal hinge]

3 defiances, 3 duos, 300 hp

i'm actually excited to see how i fail

[graceful dune]

Computer disconnects

[little mason]

not having huntress

[buoyant matrix]

polyps are RIDICULOUS for summoning
see when they're your enemy their damage field goes away after hitting you once. a summoned polyp's damage field never goes away. it infinitely and RAPIDLY deals damage

[thin laurel]

join us........... become fear pilled..... start having thoughts like "just a quick 45 fun fear" and "rivals chronos really isn't that bad without max pain"
embace the stockholm syndrome of the absolute nonsense that is erebus at high fear

[verbal hinge]

managing to lose a won game is called pulling an alan

[verbal hinge]

but i have meteor hex

[graceful dune]

hell yeah.

[little mason]

if you lose

[verbal hinge]

there is no if about it i thought that was established

there is only the how

[thin laurel]

actually I lied I will never have stockholm syndrome with high fear erebus. high fear erebus sucks, it could NEVER be ephyra 😤 but anyway. back to my run lol (white antler stockholm syndrome, however....)

[little mason]

literally every high fear player no joke

[verbal hinge]

ho ho ho i can pause now

[little mason]

watching a max fear run chronos lol

[graceful dune]

Shoot I need to level up white antler. I need to lock in on leveling up my keepsakes

[verbal hinge]

is the safe spot for ||rival typhon|| when they do that thing they do?

[buoyant matrix]

high fear erebus is actually kinda ok if you're used to 62s and not running something like soup

[graceful dune]

honestly, I can't tell which part your talking about

[verbal hinge]

when you're expecting ||zeus||

[little mason]

yeah just level em up bro theres an incantion to double the xp you get from encounters

[buoyant matrix]

bottom of the screen usually

[verbal hinge]

tik hain

[graceful dune]

uh usually I just walk up to Typhon during this phase and just go ham on dps. It makes it so that after this phase, it's finished immediately.

[split shuttle]

exactly except change 45f to 50f

[graceful dune]

I got this already, so I should be fine

[verbal hinge]

lmao i just realised i forgot to get a boon for my special

i haven't used that button once all run

kinda wish i'd picked up zeus

[graceful dune]

Yeah I tend to forget the rockets are a thing on mel coat.

[verbal hinge]

all coat, really

havevto use it for selene
so i don't play selene

[graceful dune]

yeah except for ||shiva MY BELOVED||

[verbal hinge]

god i hate that aspect how do you use o attack yuck

[little mason]

thats the funny thing you dont

[graceful dune]

So uhhh, ||If you stand in the o special of shiva, you increase destructive ranks, and then when using o attack, you do phase ending damage||, but the mana usage, is like, dummy. The aspect sucks if you don't have a good mana recovery

So don't get grisly gain with this.

[little mason]

grisly gain is the last mana gain boon i take

[verbal hinge]

@little mason by not realising what he was doing and tanking every single cyclone with the face

[verbal hinge]

over dem?

[graceful dune]

dem mana regen is better. change my mind.

[little mason]

you cant dem with high fear lol you have to keep moving

[verbal hinge]

well i do not have a problem with the theory

as much as the execution

[verbal hinge]

grisly can lead to better things, like duo boons

[graceful dune]

ok he changed my mind

[verbal hinge]

thfk he get the credit for

[graceful dune]

he replied first

[verbal hinge]

unadulterated nonsense

[graceful dune]

ok im gonna snore mi mi mi return to shadow rn gn

[verbal hinge]

aah tamaam

al lthese hidden aspects, but at the end of the day, it was the humble mel coat that first cleared

hair's breadth lmao

fair enough yeah

[little mason]

mel coat is for those easy fast runs where you sprint

[thin laurel]

art imitates life- wait no.
server members imitate.... content creators? idk. point is: mel staff was the first 67 fear clear in 1.0 lol
the mel aspects are not to be underestimated, they go hard af

[little mason]

mel aspects are stronger then hidden

mel staff special gos brrrrrrrrrrr

[verbal hinge]

i haven't played mel staff since i unlocked circe
must try now

[storm glen]

im so happy the mel aspects are good in this game

[verbal hinge]

wow i finished with 8hp haha
i tried so hard to fail but couldn't quite manage

what is the max discordant bell has gone to?

[little mason]

yeah it gives the game a good introduction with powerful aspects at the start of the game so you dont feel weak then entire way of leveling aspects

[devout atlas]

||How do you kill Typhon? Do you just constantly try to get hits in rhythmically while dodging all the crazy stuff he throws at you and hope you are actually making a dent?||

[little mason]

hes no joke the easist boss because he doesnt move

[devout atlas]

i guess but ||the lack of a HP bar|| really messes with my head

[thin laurel]

he has real HP, you just can't see it
phase change animations + changes to how he looks help you get an idea of how far into the fight you are, and he's a big sitting target so yeah, just learn to dodge and get hits in

[devout atlas]

Alright ill keep that in mind ty

[hardy finch]

New Keepsakes are so incredibly strong is insane...

[thin laurel]

RIGHT? it's wild
I think they're genuinely good for the game tho

I don't think they're uhh... super balanced, if you look at just keepsakes
but the way they work makes the arcana system and certain boons a lot more balanced overall, it's neat

[hardy finch]

They made for hight fear

And they so incredibly strong at a high fear that they kind of killed the whole hype around the impassable max fear.
I'm not saying that everyone can do this, but do you remember how long it took people to get through the max heat? It was epic.
Although most of the difficulty was in the stupid rng.

[tranquil wren]

wdym killed the hype
there's like less than 4 or 5 people who've done max fear

[little mason]

navi of course did max fear with that confidence that they destroyd the impassable max fear

[thin laurel]

yeah I don't quite agree with this take
I see what you mean! but the difference in difficulty is largely because of the difference between fear and heat, not fate's whim keepsakes existing

[little mason]

pom is really the only offender but you literally have to give up rerolls lol

[hardy finch]

It seems to me that the max fear, before patch 1.0 when there was still no oath of rivals and new keepsakes, was much more difficult.

[hardy finch]

you don't have rerols on max fear...

[devout cairn]

Yeah but someone has still beaten it without the new keepsakes, so comparing it to heat it was still way faster

I guess the hype was killed already then...

[little mason]

narricus can give you rerolls

[hardy finch]

yes, and I expected that the max fear on patch 1.0 would become even more difficult and take more time to complete.

[tranquil wren]

why?

[devout cairn]

Ye why

[thin laurel]

will they actually work with no enchantress or champions tho lol? part of the power of those cards is "ability to reroll boons/doors"

[little mason]

no idea lol

[hardy finch]

because the max heat in the first game was madness, as if by design, no one should go through it at all. I thought they would keep this approach.

[thin laurel]

I think they've just gotten better at game balance tbqh. I understand the hype of a challenge which is nearly impossible to complete, but idk if that's actually good game design, esp when part of that challenge is rng based and not actual skill 🤷

[tranquil wren]

more like the game was not designed around max heat. I can bet that no one at the team really cared enough to balance max heat or max fear

only as much as the game will ask you to go (ie 32)

[thin laurel]

not to downplay SGG's skills as a dev team, but I don't know if the creative vision for max heat was "this should feel awful to the point that nobody is meant to do it at all" so much as like... aiming for high difficulty and overshooting a bit, specifically in ways that are annoying af to deal with

[little mason]

do you think sgg actually played max fear HHAHAA

[thin laurel]

also yeah I'd agree that they put way more effort into balancing the 0-32 feat/heat range
I'd guess they put more thought and effort into max fear than they did max heat, tho, since they had the first game to learn from

[tranquil wren]

yea

[thin laurel]

see also: the boon system in general being better balanced
aspect of mel not kinda sucking
way more viable high fear builds overall, from what I understand (idk I sucked at h1)

[hardy finch]

The aspects of Zagreus in the first game were really lame, but the weapons themselves, the variety of aspects, and Daedalus' hammers were better.

[tranquil wren]

not really

[hardy finch]

but in the high heat, most of the weapons simply did not work...

[tranquil wren]

H2 has a far better variety imo

also aspect of zagreus on fists was actually pretty decent because of the dodge chance

[hardy finch]

Zagreus' bow was also good because of critts

[thin laurel]

imo the aspects and weapons overall in h2 are better
there are more total daedalus hammers which feel just okay, but I think part of that is because the aspects themselves do more heavy lifting

I do miss the bow tho, possibly my favorite weapon type between all 12 tbh...

[tranquil wren]

ngl I have a favourite aspect in H2 that I prefer over all weapons in H1 (except maybe guan yu, that was a fun one)

[hardy finch]

In my opinion, Rama's bow alone in the first game is better than half of the weapons in the second combined...

[tranquil wren]

me when hitch

[limpid oar]

Hera bow was so fun

[covert badge]

There are a couple of those “this 100% should’ve just been base kit” hammers, especially for Coat

[neon barn]

I like that in H2 there are ways to win that dont involve the weapon at all tbh, and Idk how true that was of H1

[thin laurel]

I like rama bow just fine, but I like so many more aspects total in h2 ngl
also rama bow is just hitch 🤷 so I don't miss it as much as hera bow, and chiron since pan is jankier and less ranged in its current state

but idk, looking at my top ~6 aspects in hades 2 I think they handily beat my h1 favorites
I just like the bow as a weapon type overall slightly more than torches, which is my h2 favorite

[tranquil wren]

I think staff's gotta be my fav because it has the most aspects I like

[thin laurel]

it's all personal preference tho lol

[hardy finch]

Yes... Hammers are super annoying sometimes. Adding a whole category of hammers that only work through magic when you might not have access to magic at all is a mistake in my opinion.

[tranquil wren]

magick is a part of the game, of course there's going to be hammers that revolve around magick

[thin laurel]

for me staff and torch both have three aspects I ADORE and one I like a lot but not quite as much
but I think torch is more unique and feels more distinctly hades 2! so it wins for me. making channeling and magick such a core part of the weapon's identity is neat, I like the role it has in h2 progression for new players
so staff is a very close second place

[tawny wave]

Does anyone know why I'm suddenly not getting Gems at the end of Guardian fights? I've seen the credits twice now (pre- and post-update), have plenty of stuff upgraded and everything has been fine up until this current run. Hecate, Scylla and Cerbie so far haven't dropped Gems. The secret boss did though...

[thin laurel]

grave thirst
after using a specific incant, grave thirst makes bosses drop gems

[tranquil wren]

secret boss always drops gems. you need to use the weapon with grave thirst to get gems from all bosses

[covert badge]

gemstones only provides with grave thirst

[little mason]

SECRET BOSS FIGHT 🤓 👆

[tawny wave]

I... Somehow didn't know/realize that. I use grave thirst 99.9% of the time. Guess that's what I get for using Reval's secret aspect.

[verbal hinge]

do i have to physically harvest a resource for plentiful forage to give me hp?

[covert badge]

95% skip unfortunately 🥀 its fun tho

[thin laurel]

nope
the late game autogather incant will heal you too, and familiar harvesting

you can also get elements via the autogather incantation
but afaik it doesn't work with "discovery" from chaos, and you don't have the small chance to dig up food along with seeds

[hardy finch]

He is a pretty boring. Big damage numbers, but it's pretty boring to fight him...

[little mason]

Why put gathering into a game just to make an incantation do it for you

[verbal hinge]

it digs up but stays there
mocks you as you exit

[tranquil wren]

lol

[thin laurel]

idk, I liked the gathering system as part of metaprogression
I'm glad we can benefit from boons that have synergy with it and offer actual combat utility when doing endgame runs *without stopping to manually gather, but it felt suitably witchy to crouch down and gather herbs early on, idk

[covert badge]

okay but gathering flex on bosses tho

[tranquil wren]

lol yeah I love doing that

[thin laurel]

"find something interesting? 😒 🧙‍♀️🐑"

I did it so much during the hecate fight lmaooo, to annoy her (with love)

[devout cairn]

any fellow gathering system haters?

[neon barn]

Me

[verbal hinge]

i see it as the opposite lol
i gather during boss fights so i don't leave empty handed when i die

[devout cairn]

dap up

[hardy finch]

I was going crazy with the amount of resource gathering when I was playing the game in early access. I was just thinking about how much time they had invested in creating this huge resource system, and it made me feel bad...

[neon barn]

I didnt start a save file from fresh since the EA, cus I dont want to regrind that stuff xD

[hardy finch]

Exactly!

[neon barn]

But then I just really dont like grindy games that much, thats just me

[tranquil wren]

hades 2 is def not grindy, except the ranking system

[little mason]

all games are grindy to a certain point ul never escape

[thin laurel]

I think I have a high tolerance for metaprogression grinding lol
I started a new save file for every patch of EA that I played, to see how the rate of progression changed

[hardy finch]

Although I did run fresh file, did a few runs, but then I choked and abandoned it... It's not worth it.

[little mason]

its not worth the squeeze as this generation says

[thin laurel]

...which also makes my aspect stats weird. still annoyed by that. supay "gets a nerf or rework every week for a full patch" hadesweapon being my most used aspect for a while because I'm on my Unseen save file and I kept having to try out a bunch of different builds on it each time it changed smh

[tranquil wren]

supay needs to be buffed again 😔 ✊

[thin laurel]

reworked
now it has 1.5 balls

[tranquil wren]

so true

[covert badge]

i miss the gatling gun supay o.attack

[little mason]

dr evil has that same number too

[hardy finch]

Make One-button gaming great again!

[little mason]

make afk gaming great again

[tranquil wren]

supay is two buttons normally, ospecial and oattack. and then dashing around

[little mason]

you forgot

[tranquil wren]

I can't think of any weapon that uses just one button, in either h1 or h2

[little mason]

aspect of morrigan just spam attk with apoollo and final slice

[hardy finch]

I still have vid with afk victory over Typhon...

[tranquil wren]

that's one way to play it. blood triad requires three different buttons

[thin laurel]

for me supay is 1-2 buttons ngl...
space bar and Q
I don't use magick I simply high roll gigaros then prime out with static shock (in its current state)

[covert badge]

super soaker!

[tranquil wren]

lol

[little mason]

when ur second attk is always final slice and hits the whole screen thats one button win

[thin laurel]

oh also supay is a 1 button weapon (only space bar) for me with thermal dynamics lol
cast for safety maybe but orig is coming from blitz and the duo, and I'm primed out so. wheeee, I sure love surviving those vampires

[hardy finch]

or static shock for 400k damage

You just run around and everyone dies.

[thin laurel]

static shock too for sure if I have zeus! which I would for thermal dynamics
zeus + hestia, maybe heph dash or attack to get master conductor and chain reaction too

[devout cairn]

Because of origination and certain god curses there can't be a one button dream but Circe is up there

I'm not counting spacebar

[thin laurel]

glamour gain + arctic gale + any cast 🔥
or arctic gale + a curse cast I guess

if you don't count dash then dem gusts + glamour gain + curse from sprint makes 1 button circe p doable, altho the damage won't be enough for anything hard

[tranquil wren]

I love gust except when it messes up with my timing

[thin laurel]

but like. someone did a toula damage only run. cast only circe is a LOT easier than that

[little mason]

revenge only , dodge run ez

[limpid oar]

idk why I thought you were a controller player

I have noticed that KBM is much more popular in h2 compared to h1, probably because of all the aiming the weapons make you do?

[little mason]

people play with controllers that really gross

[thin laurel]

oh damn idk why you thought that either
I don't own a controller lmao, or a gaming device other than phone/laptop

I have ~10 or so clears in hades 1 playing bow on uh. trackpad. which.......... don't do that. pro tip for anyone considering it: don't

[little mason]

if you have a controller just go play a console 🤢

[limpid oar]

hi that's me i play on controller

[limpid oar]

controls that feel good and PC performance, best of both worlds

[little mason]

someone get this guy out of here

[tranquil wren]

for their next game I just hope they never use Q for anything gameplay related

[thin laurel]

oh also I had ~5 clears using a stylus pen, like.... u know. mouse for art programs. very weird experience, #gaming is my art form

[devout cairn]

I regret not learning how to play on kbm because Mel staff's autoaim sometimes does funky stuff

[limpid oar]

Malkin your weird clears remind me of when I'd do WoW raids with my display turned off and rely on friends in voice chat to tell me when I needed to move

[little mason]

can we make a console only chat and segregate them from pc chat

[limpid oar]

sure, I'm in the PC chat though

[thin laurel]

ngl that sounds fun as hell

[little mason]

you guys dont play with ur tongue in hades 2 you guys are mising out

[thin laurel]

........someone mod hades 2 to work with xbox kinect
xbox kinect zeus% clear, get on it speedrunners

[limpid oar]

does licking the display during Hecate dialogue count as playing with your tongue?

[thin laurel]

"hades to" I need to go to bed 💀 what a typo
my favorite sequel to hades won
edit: actually goodnight lol, off I go, take care all 💤

[little mason]

only if you do the abc's

[verbal hinge]

lmaooo trying to ||get last shot on rivals scylla but her rotation has synched with your triad combo so every last hit gets blocked by her shell||

[crisp gust]

I first I thought SGG learned from Hades 1 and made sure the game was even better. Then I put on vow of fangs 2

[fickle drum]

If Moondust is 80 bones, and stardust is 1500, and 1 stardust makes 5 moondust, that last one seems like a pretty bad trade doesn't it?

[crisp gust]

Yeah but stardust has different uses too

[fickle drum]

Yeah I'm just making sure that my assesment of that specific recipe is correct.

[little cipher]

Moon dust has a few different ways to acquire it. Stardust is more limited in that way

[vagrant bramble]

I have a really stupid idea
Is it possible to get a 2nd copy of a boon from ||boon boon boon from echo||

[fluid mica]

Actually the more I think of it the more annoying it kinda is. The trial redos only grant you bones except full chaos runs, but you'd be better off doing grave thirst if youre chasing kudos. Why do I have to launder bones through a lesser material instead of straight kudos conversion

Hopefully they patch this or give a better way to manage endgame economy

[covert badge]

no

[fickle drum]

I know, I'm saying that spending stardust to get moondust is a bad trade.

[little cipher]

That's fair

[fickle drum]

Like, spending stardust to get dog treats is unfortunate, but it seems to be the main way to obtain them.

I feel like the best value for moondust is probably obol points?

Although I can see myself spending bones.

[little cipher]

Points or bones are both better options, I think

[fickle drum]

Yeah the more I run the simulations, the better spending bones becomes. It's just that, with how expensive some other resources can be, I'm hesitant to buy too many at once.

[little cipher]

As for bones, I use them mainly to stock up on nectar and ambrosia. Need those gifts at some point

[balmy iris]

you will get so much nectar eventually that you won't need it anymore, don't spend bones on it

[fickle drum]

I'm sitting on 13 ambrosia, with the idea to buy more once I start seeing that number go down. I don't know how many I'll need total and I'm not really interested in knowing ahead of time either.

[balmy iris]

nectar is completely useless after you maxed bond with every npc that you can

[fickle drum]

I'm also not sure if the stardust in the shop is a trap or not.

[balmy iris]

well there's only so many chaos trials and not all of them are easy

[fickle drum]

Yeah but there's also not too many things to use stardust on either.

[balmy iris]

you will get more recipes, like there is a recipe to make your own ambrosia post-game

[fickle drum]

Main thing seems to be dog treats, and you only need a certain amount of those

I'm not sure if I want to buy a stardust just to make ambrosia, unless I'm overflowing with bones.

[balmy iris]

I think you need like 56 treats for the entire game?? I think?

[fickle drum]

I like that the kudos exchange shows you whether or not you're done with a certain resource

I get a lot of thalamuses.. Thalami?

[balmy iris]

it's funny, I'm spending bones on psyche since I don't need anything anymore because it's one of the two shop items that can be instantly traded for kudos (but ashes are worth less kudos)

[fickle drum]

Yeah I get that it's a bit convoluted.

I wonder why you can't trade nectar for kudos.

Like, it's not stopping me from buying a nectar every night

[balmy iris]

because it's like...a produced thing that can't be returned back to the earth

that's my reasoning

[fickle drum]

No but it can be enjoyed by the shades.

[balmy iris]

fate fabric, moon dust, gifting items, all of those are stuff that you can't gather from tools (except ashes for some reason)

[fickle drum]

Ashes are dropped as room rewards.

[balmy iris]

my point is that ashes are the one thing that you don't gather from tools that you can trade for kudos

[fickle drum]

OIC

[balmy iris]

also fish, but that's it's own exchange

[fickle drum]

Anyway, as fate would have it, I actually have time to play the game now, I think I'll go do that.

[verbal hinge]

wow ||chronos phase 3|| can get on its knees and gobble my crank

[native bramble]

what is the technically best moon ability?

[buoyant matrix]

depends on the rest of your run

though the worst ones i can say are moon water and phase shift

[native bramble]

that honestly doesnt surprise me, although i personally like moon water because i am bad, and also money is nice

[verbal hinge]

in the mourning fields, are you a heart selene magick or a hammer pom coin sort of dude

[native bramble]

im personally a hammer dude, but i dont know for sure which choice is better

[vapid flint]

This must have come up a million times, but does anyone know if we're ever going to get a proper victory screen archive instead of the summary we have now? Such a shame that we have to screenshot them instead.

[real scarab]

it was the same in h1 iirc

[balmy iris]

Phase shift’s projectile remover has saved me during typhon a few times early game and Demeter godsent isn’t terrible

[verbal hinge]

i find phase shift quite wonderful

which would you say is better for supay, 1 extra projectile, or 20% faster channel?

heph on the special

[balmy iris]

Does the extra projectile have to wait on the cooldown? Otherwise I always go for faster channel (but that’s me using eos)

[fickle drum]

Welp, I did get much further than last time. To the boss of Olympus.

[pallid cradle]

Heph on the special is terrible for Supay unless you have it heroic with like 4-5 poms.

[verbal hinge]

it's on 2 seconds without any duos, and i'll pick up seismic

[fickle drum]

The prediction attack is going to take some practice.

[verbal hinge]

your "unless" caveat applies to all heph everywhere forever

[pallid cradle]

The answer would be extra projectile then.

[verbal hinge]

not at all just say it out loud
mid
[far] top
[far] bottom

[balmy iris]

For me it’s up, stay, or down

[fickle drum]

I guess focusing on where to stand rather than where not to might be the better idea.

[pallid cradle]

I mean Heph is bad unless you have poms and high rarity for anything offensive. It's arguably even true for his cast.

[fickle drum]

Either way, it'll be some practice.

[balmy iris]

Oh so you’re just a heph hater

[verbal hinge]

also always stand where it's not going to hit to start

one less dodge to do

[pallid cradle]

I love Heph's defensive side. I think offensively you're better off with just about any other god.

[verbal hinge]

yes
which makes him high risk high reward
it's blackjack up in this mother

[pallid cradle]

If I wanna play cards I'll just play Balatro

[verbal hinge]

but precious
what about the cläng

[balmy iris]

Ok but like Apollo has the actual percentages

Heph is just in the timing

[verbal hinge]

it's so easy to manipulate heph boons to get them big tho
barely any rng

[pallid cradle]

Clang has unfortunately always been overrated

[verbal hinge]

lmao my current fates run was pom keepsake and heph seed

then i pathed pom > pom > nectar

hecate was hitless

well. until i was a pig then i got hit a bit
then back to hitless

hitlessish

[pallid cradle]

That is actually an insane jpom start

[verbal hinge]

right??
i could gone hammer instead for the first location, but the next two were single doors i couldn't believe it

[pallid cradle]

Game said "here have the exact situation that makes this God good"

[balmy iris]

I just realize if you ignore the daze boons, Apollo and Artemis have mainly % based boons

[verbal hinge]

i wish gust levels did size instead of dps

you know, i think he's right
the clangs sound good so we'll look past the fact that the boon sucks

[fickle drum]

By the way I can confirm the cause of testaments not appearing on my oath.

[verbal hinge]

whirling helix or demonic cell?

[fickle drum]

After seeing and dying to Pro for the first time, the missing testaments appeared.

By which I assume seeing him is sufficient.

[verbal hinge]

what if.. i had heroic heph attack and heroic heph special both at 2 seconds..

it kinda sucks i don't have glow tho

nah we keep poseidon

i didn't activate origination until i was one chamber away from chronos, and i was still melting everything supay didn't even care

i also completely forgot i had a hex, used it for the first time against chronos

supay has to objectively be the strongest torch

even if you dislike the playstyle

[modest dirge]

pretty sure its moros

[polar abyss]

IMO, Moros is the best, Eos is a very close second, and Supay is a definitive worst for specifically High Fear (50-67)

Supay’s base Attack and Special damage is not good, it doesn’t have natural stagger, and the Omega moves cost quite a bit. So if you don’t get the exact boon you need (Breaker Rush / Heat Rush / Heaven Flourish), it feels bad.

[buoyant matrix]

it's moros

[neon hull]

what??

[ocean girder]

I only just found out today it's on tidal x-x

[neon hull]

oh sweet. that's awesome

[verbal hinge]

no stagger is problematic but it feels like the damage kinda makes up for the rest

anyway interesting to know both moros and eos are stronger

[polar abyss]

I think the thing of note is that Supay is more boon reliant. Also, I don’t think I can properly comment for Torch Any% or Casual play. I just come from a perspective of high fear, and in that circumstance (again, in my opinion; Frei from Speedcord would disagree), Supay relies on more hits to be competitive with the safety of Eos and the damage of Moros.

[little frost]

omg eos and moros hihihihihi I love those aspects

eos's glow up was so awesome to see, even if you can't special spam as much

just by the nature of things getting added and changed around it

[polar abyss]

(If Eos ever gets Hidden Helix as a hammer option; Eos becomes S-Tier imo, on par with Medea, Mel Staff, and Circe)

[pallid cradle]

THANK YOU

[balmy iris]

Omg same

[fickle drum]

Ephyra is a good place to set up some stuff to fill out the prophecies.

[balmy iris]

Also why does eos not have hidden helix? I never understood the reason

[craggy totem]

Because Eos can double the number of specials

[balmy iris]

Because of daybreaker’s additional special?

[craggy totem]

Aye aye

[pallid cradle]

I swear I'm just wrong on this but I don't like torches

I can win with them just fine but they get 0 excitement outta me.

[little mason]

Clankers are the worst players

[pallid cradle]

We got clankers playing?

[split shuttle]

ai gonna surpass foolish???

[buoyant matrix]

does it happen to be TAS? that mf so good at every game he plays 🥶

[split shuttle]

oh my god i was thinking the same thing

this tas dude keeps getting wrs left and right

[pallid cradle]

Idk if there's a Hades TAS yet let alone Hades 2

[craggy totem]

People don't know it, but TAS is actually the screen name of Tamsyn "Taz" Muir, Kiwi writer of speculative fiction

[pallid cradle]

I wonder if it would be easier to TAS a routed (seeded) run due to lack of variables

[craggy totem]

Isn't that always the case? (genuine, non-rhetorical question; I don't know the answer)

[tender oracle]

a tas relies on rng not getting in the way so an unseeded tas is effectively impossible

[buoyant matrix]

hammer start that includes trick knives then input a billion dash strikes easy win

[pallid cradle]

You could set it up for each room in an unseeded. We only have so many chamber layouts

[tender oracle]

and so many enemy patterns. and boss patterns. and rng encounters

somebody once actually made a tas that could beat every single seed of pokemon platinum
as you may expect it takes way, way longer than a tas that just beats a single seed lol

[craggy totem]

I think I've seen something that does a similar thing referred to as a "solver" or something, a different/additional label than just TAS anyway

[buoyant matrix]

I'm sure hephaestus would be very interested in this conversation

after all his CLANKERS clearly need some UPGRADES

[pallid cradle]

He's not building anything of value. Mid builder on the best of days

[real scarab]

he's viable with all weapons w/ jpom now

and he has the best boon in the game aka trusty shield

[buoyant matrix]

erm arckshoually best boon is snow queen

[pallid cradle]

The basic pizza topping is correct

[balmy iris]

you gotta get 3 of his boons to get Premium Service, rank 6 weapon is OP

[buoyant matrix]

yes yes i love getting premium service on my persephone skull in the fields endshop

[frigid glen]

Does Harm For The Afflicted deal 50 damage for each new curse or only 50 if an enemy is entirely unafflicted?

[craggy totem]

Second thing (and apparently the cooldown is global, not per enemy)

[frigid glen]

Ah dang

Not as cool as I thought at first

[craggy totem]

Yep, that was my mental journey too haha

[thorny adder]

It’s great for aphro dash at least, and that’s about it

Maybe wounds too?

Basically any short duration curse will do, but if you’re running Origination you might as well pick any of the other options

[little frost]

yeah it's a global cd cause it has a little 1 second timer above your health

or whatever it is, short tho

[native bramble]

please tell me you can pet cerberus at some point in the game, i will be sad if you cant

[devout cairn]

|| ye ||

[native bramble]

excellent

[sharp brook]

I ended up Streaming Hades II last night for 7 and a half hours

until like 5 AM, I haven't streamed that long in awhile

last time I did that was for Shadow of War 3 years ago

[broken glen]

Hades 2 does that

[native bramble]

ikit claw total warhammer reference???

[sharp brook]

Yes, but it's Warhammer fantasy yes-yes

[sharp brook]

either way, I finished the story AGAIN and finally got back to post game

because I accidentally restarted the story thinking it was only for a few nights, NOT TO THE VERY BEGINNING

either way, made progress with multiple characters and forged a few bonds and got a few achievements

currently 36/50

still waiting for Odysseus to get hammered tho so I can finally get that damn quest

Unfinished Business

like legitimately he refuses to be at the Taverna

[broken glen]

good for him honestly

[sharp brook]

I mean true, but I need him there for a quest so please sacrifice that Afterlife health for now

[merry wave]

Wait so do I lose the Hades boon if I unequip the Jeweled Pom or not

[devout cairn]

Neither the boon nor the lvl 4 boons

[merry wave]

wut, that sounds broken

[devout cairn]

As long as you keep FW

[buoyant matrix]

you lose the jpom benefits when you deactivate fates whim by using a god keepsake
you keep the extra levels on previously earned boons but future boons will no longer have levels and the hades blessing also goes away

[crude dragon]

You only lose it if you break Fates' Whim

[merry wave]

Right, that also explains why I am not hitting the reroll arcanas with Judgement. I completely missed the Fates' Whim part

Next question: what does a rank 3 Phial do if I only have rare boons and no epic ones?

[little swan]

Is there a steam plugin or extension I can use to get my damage breakdown for each room?

[dark crag]

yo did something change in the game i am literally struggle to get any build going because every other encounter is a completely different god i just had a run where i had 5 boons into oceanus all of them where random gods

[buoyant matrix]

increases healing you get from fountains and has a hidden effect of slightly increasing the chance of finding fountain rooms

[crude dragon]

Nothing, it can only rarify Commons

[rustic basin]

If you have no Common Boons when you activate a Fountain with Phial, it just doesn’t do anything

[dark crag]

and when i use one of the lockets i maybe get 1 of there boons

[buoyant matrix]

what

[crude dragon]

No, that's just Erebus for you

[dark crag]

this is also in ephyra

idk why i have never seen it be this random

[rustic basin]

Nah, the game just likes to try and fill your pool. You might’ve taken a shop boon from an Olympian that wasn’t on one of the mini-boss doors (if that was how the encounters played out)

[crude dragon]

If you don't have a build going by the time you leave Ephyra, that is either a skill issue or you're getting your hide tanned by Fates' Whim

[rustic basin]

Yeh, you do kinda have a lot of options to work with

[dusk marsh]

I just gotta say…. My lord. I believe in game devs again not trying to glaze but have been playing hades 2 all week and my god it’s perfect. I didn’t know people made complete games anymore this is awesome.

[dark crag]

eh im not new i just ig have been getting very unlucky

[prime fern]

many games this year did restore my faith in devs tbh. esp indie

[narrow pelican]

does greatest gift of gaia mean i just never have to pick up any seeds, fish, etc.?

thanks, i wasnt sure because theres no animation for items going into your bag like normal so I was just picking things up still lol

[dusk marsh]

Without spoiling anything store wise is there a pretty good endgame for this one compared to hades 1?

[narrow pelican]

Im working through the post end game myself right now and am having a good time doing so, good amount of new content but most importantly its well distributed so that youre never really hitting any dead zones

[crude dragon]

The post-credits keepsakes are strong enough to provide an alternative to the reroll meta

As for high Fear, it's significantly more fair than high Heat

[rustic basin]

It’s both way easier and way more fun

[narrow pelican]

except for the trial of doom 💀

i just cannot do it

not really endgame though lol

[rustic basin]

If not being like, outright better in most cases

There’s so few Aspects that I can think of where you desperately want or need to have the level of control with Olympian Keepsakes that can’t be superseded by random lvl. 4 Boons (in the majority of cases), at least at high Fear

[dark crag]

yo for aspect of xinth when u block with omega attack why do some attacks go through it the the ones i see the most are either zags blood shards they just completely disregard the block or hecates like big wave attack is this intentional or a bug?

[narrow pelican]

some attacks can bypass it but it has an indicator

I think it says something like 'unblockable' orso?

[tender oracle]

of course it only tells you this after you get hit 💔

[narrow pelican]

xd

[craggy totem]

IIRC the general principle folks have mentioned is that if it's an attack that looks like a floor hazard, it'll probably be unblockable

[narrow pelican]

theres definitely a few projectiles that bypass it though

[swift temple]

is hekate a lesbian

[narrow pelican]

no

[swift temple]

👍

[hard solar]

Guys, can someone help me?
The Enchantment of Faith of Familiar Spirits simply doesn't want to appear for me.
I've already defeated Hecate several times, I've used the shovel, I've used the pickaxe, and I've purified the Lone Shades, I've interacted with the bird a few times in Erebus and the spell doesn't appear.

Am I missing something?

[broken glen]

I’m guessing that it’s locked behind dialogue (probably Hecate’s) that you haven’t gotten yet. Hang in there!

[grave gorge]

Look along the lower right edge of your screen as you leave a room, you'll see it there

[restive pasture]

here we go again...

[grave gorge]

Speaking of

||how many times do I have to beat Zag to get a bond with him? I want a little chibi zag head by his keepsake||

[restive pasture]

mel coat with zeus attack and pos special and snow queen and heph armor surely i'll be fine this time :clueless:

should be just twice

[grave gorge]

That's to get the keepsake, but not the bond

Unless I'm very wrong and misremembering something

[balmy iris]

Thrice

[grave gorge]

Hm.
I've beat him thrice. I'll have to check it again

[balmy iris]

I just said thrice to be funny I don’t really know I’m sorry

[grave gorge]

UNDERSTANDABLE

I would have been tempted to do the same, lol

[restive pasture]

0 dds and 1:17 remaining clearly worth it

[balmy iris]

Nevermind I misunderstood

[restive pasture]

i don't understand how you kill him fast and heathily

yeah it was like a 5 minute fight i run time2

[balmy iris]

Apollo sprint helps

[restive pasture]

im a jpomer so i get what i get

[tender oracle]

epilogue done!!

[restive pasture]

10 second hecate how hard could it be

[balmy iris]

How do you do 10 second with the morph ball

[restive pasture]

it turns out you don't

[balmy iris]

Infernal beast could be 10 seconds but Hecate has more phases

[restive pasture]

no way infernal wastes a ton of time disappearing and summoning adds

[tender oracle]

the prospect of doing any boss in under 10 seconds terrifies me

[balmy iris]

I don’t know I’m guessing

[grave gorge]

20 second hecate
10 for dpsing
10 for dodging the morph ball

[tender oracle]

hecate does the same thing, just turning invincible instead of disappearing

[restive pasture]

i've killed them all very fast but they all have long invuln phases

[tender oracle]

every single boss in the game has invuln periods that waste time

[restive pasture]

i feel like i'm insane i can't find any kind of guide or resource for fighting early ||zag ||other than don't do it

[grave gorge]

That is the guide, really

Don't do it unless your build is somehow CRACKED

I tried to fight him once with nothing but the apollo cast

It did not go well.

[restive pasture]

I wish there was some kind of training mode, since you only see him once in a while you don't get to fight him like other bosses

[tender oracle]

theoretically ||zag's|| attacks aren't that hard to avoid
the issue is they melt your healthbar
it's entirely possible to do early ||zag|| if you're good enough. it's just painful

[tender oracle]

the training mode is ||fighting hades in h1 ||

[inland plume]

real

[narrow pelican]

Does anyone know what the interaction with Contingency (Phase Shift) is if you have no death defiances?

[restive pasture]

i really can't dodge his spin on reaction i feel like a grandpa

[grave gorge]

Yeah, he's not hard, he's just extremely punishing, especially because you don't yet have the HP to absorb hits like thar

[narrow pelican]

one trick ive found success with is looking for ||his casts|| and using that as bait

[grave gorge]

My strategy is to keep away from him, only dodging in for a second or two of dps here and there when I know it's safe

And I'm always looking for that flash right on his body before he does the spin

[tender oracle]

it doesn't do anything i think?

[narrow pelican]

he will always go for them so play around those, helps positioning

[devout cairn]

he shows up often in erebus, get frinos, pick up a ranged weapon like a staff and do a bit of practice

[restive pasture]

issue with this is how long it takes if you don't have a cracked build

[grave gorge]

I didn't say it was a good strategy

[tender oracle]

i believe what contingency does is it refills your hex if you blow a dd
so if you don't have dd's to blow then there's no opportunity to activate contingency

[inland plume]

u can do it in oceanus too if ur not confident yet im pretty sure

[broken glen]

I think contingency would be better if it automatically popped the hex on DD use (AND IT SHOULD BE A DIFFERENT EFFECT WHILE ON STRENGTH)

[restive pasture]

omg he's here again. ok i have heroic apollo special on the lion's mace and nothing else 😂

[narrow pelican]

yeah it should be replaced with something else. weird interaction tbh

[chrome sphinx]

hey all quick question! this is probably stupid but i finished the main story and not once did icarus show up at the crossroads... is it still possible to get the conversation to invite him? im just worried since i really want to invite him but no matter how many times ive gone to the surface, he hasn't shown up once

[narrow pelican]

you can still invite him after you finish through a certain mechanic if it is otherwise barred

[fickle drum]

Oh cool, I can now save different card loadouts. Nice QoL

[tender oracle]

icarus randomly showed up at the crossroads after i finished the epilogue 💀
i don't think i invited him

[chrome sphinx]

||will i need the time reversal enchantment?|| or

[narrow pelican]

he gives off stalker vibes sometimes so that adds up

[chrome sphinx]

oh maybe nevermind. Huh. i guess i need to just keep trying lol i got mad unlucky

[buoyant matrix]

no, he's irrelevant from the main story

[balmy iris]

I beat him in Olympus and honestly the reward wasn’t worth it (I got path of stars twice)

[buoyant matrix]

but now that you have finished the story, dialogue regarding to that will take higher priority so it will take even longer for him probably

[broken glen]

Does he? He seems more like an awkward teen who has a HUGE crush on you (and doesn’t know how to express it)

[tender oracle]

icarus hasn't shown up for me in a while either

[balmy iris]

Icarus is like Athena but shows up sooner to help you

[narrow pelican]

i meant it lightheartedly, I get that's the intent but sometimes he's a bit overbearing lol, not my type

[broken glen]

Icarus ruined a 50f run for me… (ROOM TAKES FOREVER)

The timer doesn’t count down but my HP does

[restive pasture]

I got the vibe mel was pretty into him

[chrome sphinx]

yeahhh i thought so, i guess ill just keep trying 😔 ive convinced myself his keepsake makes him more likely to appear so

[broken glen]

She lost her arm for him

[restive pasture]

the way she forlornly says "bye..." when he abruptly leaves
yeah i'm talking about first impressions

[narrow pelican]

she might be but I was stating a personal opinion

[balmy iris]

Icarus doesn’t pause timer like Artemis?

[broken glen]

He pauses it, but so many enemies spawn

[buoyant matrix]

he does but he also massively increases the enemy spawn limit which is dangerous with hordes3 fangs2 menace2

[restive pasture]

I am also stating a personal opinion

[broken glen]

We are all stating a personal opinion

[balmy iris]

Hordes 3 sounds like pain 1

[restive pasture]

i've come to the conclusion that wards 2 sucks and is making erebus take a really long time

[buoyant matrix]

hordes3 would actually be like pain7 or something

[balmy iris]

Get that Arctic Gale from grandma

[broken glen]

High fear Erebus 😨
High fear Ephyra 🤑

But then along comes Thessaly

[buoyant matrix]

high fear fields 🤑
high fear olympus 😨

[balmy iris]

Do you revive the trees in high fear

[restive pasture]

thessaly is ok once you get used to dodging nonstop and avoiding anchor bois

[buoyant matrix]

yeah, how else would you path find

[broken glen]

You memorize every fields layout like a REAL American 🇺🇸 🦅🦅🦅🔥🔥🔥

[balmy iris]

Must be a sad time

[narrow pelican]

wards 2 isnt bad with xinth + static shock

[restive pasture]

it was not fun with axe

[narrow pelican]

oh.

[balmy iris]

Which aspect?

[restive pasture]

lion head mace thing

[narrow pelican]

nergal

[tender oracle]

just get the comically small fields room every time smh

[balmy iris]

[buoyant matrix]

most weapons have a tool to deal with wards

[balmy iris]

Nergal is so melee that Apollo special does nothing

[broken glen]

Spamming axe special like my life depends on it

[restive pasture]

it made omega special feel bigger

[buoyant matrix]

but yeah nergal in particular suffers, you have to take a ward negating boon quick

[narrow pelican]

i personally get really confused by aspect of morrigan

[tender oracle]

for nergal your best bet for wards is probably a rapid damage cast or smth

[narrow pelican]

it just doesnt click for me

[buoyant matrix]

mel axe and thanatos prefer oattack for dealing with wards, especially with hordes in play

[broken glen]

It turns into a fighting game where you spawn combos

[grave gorge]

I found you can play it like regular daggers in a lot of situations, but it is important to know how to pull off the combo when needed

[narrow pelican]

but not all attacks add a little dot to the triangle?

[tender oracle]

remember
bottom left is attack, bottom right is special, top is omega

[narrow pelican]

it says lmb + rmb simulanteously but it doesnt work well it feels

[buoyant matrix]

left dot is exclusive to base attack, right is exclusive to base special, top is any omega move

[broken glen]

To complete the triad, you need to land an attack, a special, and an omega move

[narrow pelican]

does it say this anywhere in game

[tender oracle]

the description for blood triad

[restive pasture]

oh i see the problem, that's a comma not a +
so it means hit with x, y, and z seperately

[buoyant matrix]

yeah the aspect tooltip i think

[grave gorge]

each dot is a different thing

-a regular attack
-a regular special
-omega damage

You have to do all three, in any order, and the third will have its damage value set to the blood triad value

[storm glen]

it tells you what moves you need to do it but not which moves do which dot

[narrow pelican]

ok I see. I just looked at the pop up when you select the weapon

[grave gorge]

the conversation moved past this while I was typing, but

[narrow pelican]

i feel like itd be an easy fix to change the symbols slightly but its not the biggest deal in the world

[storm glen]

what symbols

[narrow pelican]

the triangle doohickey

[buoyant matrix]

it'd be too visually cluttering

[restive pasture]

an overcomplicated solution would be to have parts of the tooltip grey out as you hit them like a fighting game combo trial lol

[tender oracle]

left dot is left click, right dot is right click, and middle dot is either omega
once you realize this and get used to this i feel it's fairly intuitive

[buoyant matrix]

morrigan in general is just something you have to play with a little to properly learn

[narrow pelican]

its already very visually cluttering, im talking changing the color or something simple

[restive pasture]

omega cast works too

[foggy sable]

I love it when I get one specific boon and just become a nuke

exceptional talent+possessed array

[restive pasture]

it's a good feeling

[storm glen]

everything is visually cluttering this is a terribly unclear game

[foggy sable]

idk if it even works but it sure felt like it did

[narrow pelican]

I didnt want to say it myself at the risk of being chased by people with tridents but I wholeheartedly agree

[storm glen]

im pretty sure most players avoid attacks based on vibes and not by actually looking at the target

[buoyant matrix]

oh yeah the visual clutter issue is real
at high level we just understand the game well enough to predict stuff and play based on that

[narrow pelican]

I started out doing that, then it got too difficult so I looked closer at telegraphing and then quickly gave up and started building around it

[restive pasture]

to me it feels like the game was not designed with the intention to dodge everything perfectly, so many buffs are based around dodging and healing and health and getting hit

[cedar nimbus]

or both. because different types of people play the game

[storm glen]

it wasnt designed like that but its still really scummy when the attack that blindsides you delas like 200 damage overall

[buoyant matrix]

they definitely had hitless play in the back of their mind, just didn't make it a top priority

the proof is all the small adjustments they made to the unrivaled bosses throughout early access

[storm glen]

its still shocking to me how bad the visual accessibility settings are

[narrow pelican]

I was doing vow of rivals chronos and my run ended because i was like a pixel off the kill zone

[restive pasture]

that's fair. but it makes sense to not prioritize it, considering most people will stop at the true ending or earlier without even touching fear

[storm glen]

like would thicker enemy outlines or something have killed them

[narrow pelican]

me when mouse visibility barely does anything

[cedar nimbus]

they also have god mode for people who arnt great at these games, but want to see everything

[narrow pelican]

this game is the only one where I have had trouble finding my mouse on screen

[cedar nimbus]

yeah i wish the mouse visability setting was better. i often lose where my cursor is

well often enough

[narrow pelican]

is the game easily moddable? I might just change the cursor file myself

[cedar nimbus]

yeah. they legit give you the source code.

[storm glen]

i think so

[buoyant matrix]

yeah pretty much every script is in an unencrypted easily accessible lua file

[narrow pelican]

w

[buoyant matrix]

unfortunately you need to understand how lua code works

[foggy sable]

I finally managed to get acceptance of another fate

[cedar nimbus]

or just coding in general.

[narrow pelican]

i study bioinformatics, ill find my way around lol

[storm glen]

would it not just be replacing an asset

[buoyant matrix]

no lua in particular is worse

[timber dock]

Does anybody know if you need max friendship with ||chronos to unlock the epilogue fates quest requisite for him||

[cedar nimbus]

ive poked my head around, nothing stands out. cant be worse than assembler.

[buoyant matrix]

you can join the modding discord

[narrow pelican]

depends on how they made it, minecraft dungeons is all static files but some games use shaders, tint with code, etc.

[tender oracle]

you do not
not that it's very hard to do anyway considering ||he doesn't have a lot of hearts||

[restive pasture]

from a cursory search there are 3rd party tools to make your mouse bigger as well

[long silo]

Wait can someone eli5 how life tax actually works? Every hit restores health but after it restores 150 it's done or it restores health all run?

[timber dock]

Oh its like a boon heart amount?
I may actually try and do it then
He didnt show up last time so I got pissed and quit out

[narrow pelican]

I cant find anything on nexusmods or the likes so im curious as to where you found that

[cedar nimbus]

hes a bit troll on when he shows

[tender oracle]

it restores health until it's restored a total of 150

[merry whale]

any dmg source causes u to heal throughout a run up to a max of 150 hp restored

[restive pasture]

a reddit post mentioned something called yolomouse on steam which is a paid thing. i'm sure you can find other free options

[long silo]

so if you have 300 health and it goes down to 1 before you get life tax you can only ever get half health back at best

[narrow pelican]

i saw that but i dont want to pay for a third party tool lol. besides I think this kind of concerns accessibility also

[restive pasture]

a steam forums post says that you can change your default mouse size on windows and that also helps

[narrow pelican]

aw i cant send screenshots here

I was gonna post a giga overinflated mouse covering half the screen lol

anyways that worked, thanks

[restive pasture]

yer. i've never played hades with a mouse i should try some time

[narrow pelican]

speaking of visual clutter, aspect|| of anubis||

[analog sail]

Is there really nothing I can do to speed up Icarus's bond? It's taking an awful long time

[restive pasture]

if you do a google search involving reddit, hades2, and icarus encounters there are some helpful comments about it

[oblique hemlock]

i was using chaos’s keepsake and when the previous boon expired it just happened to give me the same one again lol

[glossy gulch]

||does the rush boon buff from aspect of supay affect boons that only apply to your dash, such as the falling blade dash from ares?||

[fickle drum]

I finally got my second Chronos kill

[devout cairn]

congratz

[fluid terrace]

ok so rivals typhon is impossible

how do you survive ||being turned small????||

[restive pasture]

the trick is to take the circe small boon to become extra smol mel

[fluid terrace]

I did not see circe that run :(

[restive pasture]

nah but build for health and dodge chance and just dash around while you charge the circle

[fluid terrace]

yeah... I had 400 health but only 100 or so of it was left by that extra phase, I kept getting hit by the lazers

[grave gorge]

|| Just focus on dodging the tongue

The balls only do like 8 damage, their primary function is to distract you from the attack that will actually kill you||

[fluid terrace]

the time slow hex is not good in that fight, hard to dodge the lazers that slow

[grave gorge]

And don't be afraid to ||step out of the circle if you have to, just make sure to get back in it fairly quickly||

[fluid terrace]

I appreciate the tips, I will try again with a different weapon

[grave gorge]

Good luck!

[fluid terrace]

chronos axe requires too much time spent stationary to do decent damage in that fight imo

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[restive pasture]

Charon axe?

[crude dragon]

It would, yes

[tidal cliff]

I just got cherished heirloom in the final shop while I had lion fang on.. it replenished fully and became 70% dmg😭

[limpid hatch]

Nemesis is offering me 300 gold for giving up my common Quick Buck.
Anyone wanna do the math if that's worth it?

[thin laurel]

in case you aren’t aware, you can dash while channeling your ospecial to reposition without cancelling it!
still a more slow deliberate weapon, but makes it a lot more mobile.
(and either way, it’s a fine weapon for rivals typhon)

[craggy totem]

Chronos axe would be a wild aspect

[tidal cliff]

That’s probably the most you’re gonna get out of common quick buck anyway so it speeds up the process

[thin laurel]

he does have a scythe which I guess counts as an axe according to thanatos

[fluid terrace]

I meant charon oops

[fluid terrace]

I know that but I am just kinda bad at actually doing it lmao, axe just isn’t my playstyle I think

[thin laurel]

fair enough!
I suck at non-charon axes tbh, imo charon is kind of its own thing. but idt it’s for everyone, for sure

[fluid terrace]

thank you for the advice tho!

[graceful dune]

Not even ||Nergal|| which is just free health?

[thin laurel]

to be fair it’s less that I suck at them ig and more that I dislike them 😅
I’ve cleared 40 fear max rivals with all 4, and done some mini speeds UW and SF, but I just don’t vibe with the axe attack sequence

it’s fine on Thanatos, but I used to like attack spam Than axe a lot more than I do lately tbh
and Nergal is probably in my bottom 3 weapons lol, idk, I’m just not a fan
(psychic whirlwind nergal does feel strong, and I don’t mind it! but you can’t always get p.whirlwind, and p.whirlwind nergal isn’t fun enough for me to save the weapon as a whole)

[astral canyon]

pls come out on ps5 alrdy 😔

[low wharf]

That's why variety and having different options feels so nice

[thin laurel]

absolutely! and ik some people REALLY love axe, of slow heavy melee weapons appeal to them.
but my favorite weapon type is torches lol, which is definitely the opposite experience

[low wharf]

It reminds me of how I love playing with Great Swords in Monster Hunter (slow) and then I swap to Dual Blades (fast) and it's a whole new world 🎵
Both fun and satisfactory in their own ways 💖

I think that's probably why axes feel nice to me but I do love swirling around with the torches 😆

[midnight moss]

How does the free item for Champions work? Does it appear in every shop, or just the end of region one?

[craggy totem]

Every shop after you win.

[midnight moss]

That's not happening then... hmmm

[craggy totem]

It's only for that one run, if that's the issue? You have to win again to get it in a future run.

[tranquil wren]

no I think it's only endshops in each region

[midnight moss]

No, I beat the former Champ, then beat the Rivals Hecate, now I'm in Surface 2.

[craggy totem]

Is it!? I can believe I'm wrong about it, I just could swear I had gotten it before 🤔 Prolly just bad memory then

[cursive nacelle]

yep only endshop

[graceful dune]

fair

[strange carbon]

Cheers mate

[narrow pelican]

haephaestos damage reduction boon and uh

the one that scales with water I forgot the name

[rustic basin]

Getting Supay off the ground in 62 feels so abysmal, my god

[narrow pelican]

62 fear?

[craggy totem]

That's ironic, considering that with Supay you levitate ;P

[rustic basin]

Yeh. Missing that first Boon makes it feel like getting dragged through broken glass

[narrow pelican]

that is nuts. I considered myself done cause I just finished the last hidden aspect prophecies and vow of rivals lol

[thin laurel]

I can imagine…
I feel like it’s just reset for gigaros start and pray for artificer luck, in erebus

[rustic basin]

This was already one of my least favorite Aspects for the whole "just run around" gimmick, but this is a whole new level of just slogging

[narrow pelican]

ive played too much in like 2 weeks time so im a bit burnt out

[rustic basin]

I'm kinda forced to go Omegas to start because the damage without them is nothing short of laughable

[thin laurel]

yeah, breaks are important. this server just had a lot of people suffering from high fear brainrot lmao

[rustic basin]

Gigaros helps, but it's more getting a decent on-hit or Hammer, I feel

[thin laurel]

how many aspects have you done 62 so far btw? and just UW or both regions?

[rustic basin]

Different strokes for different folks, s'just an achievement I wanna do

[thin laurel]

oh yeah 100%, gigaros start just makes rooms 1-2 less painful in my experience
if you don’t get hestia/poseidon/zeus asap it’s still miserable

[rustic basin]

All Mels, Charon, and Hel

[narrow pelican]

im not judging you for it, its more admiration

so when do we get to play as hades

[thin laurel]

I guess to be fair nexus rush can also do some heavily lifting early, even with wards, but idk. I want on hit specials asap

[rustic basin]

Oh, no, sorry, didn't mean it that way lol. I appreciate it in any case

[thin laurel]

oooooh nice
I’m still just at 4 aspects, Hel should be 5th. idk how many I’ll do total

[rustic basin]

I'll probably try them all, but I'm not in any hurry considering I feel way more comfortable with some than others and like redoing Coats and Skulls from time to time

[thin laurel]

idk if I have every aspect in me, Supay and some of the axes sound… not fun, for me personally lol

but I might try. def going to do 2 aspects every weapon I think, at minimum

[midnight moss]

I like not ||having to click||. with Supay.

[narrow pelican]

wait does this game not have steam cards?

[craggy totem]

? It does

[narrow pelican]

im so lost I dont see them on my profile

[thin laurel]

I like Supay at 0-40 fear, but…. idk, turning on vows of forfeit, wards, hordes, and grit is just kinda miserable in erebus

mainly forfeit tbh 🙃

[craggy totem]

Maybe you just haven't earnt any yet? Or do you mean the badge?

[narrow pelican]

they showed up after going to the market page for them

I guess thats a steam bug

[rustic basin]

That's my biggest gripe LOL

[midnight moss]

I just basically never Omega. Manual bullet hell basically

[rustic basin]

It's neat for getting free Origination later in the game but doing TEN AND FIFTEEN DAMAGE respectively is... oh my god

It makes me sad just looking at it

[narrow pelican]

62 heat final boss?
zzz
100 coin nemesis challenge thats when im locking in

so generally is black coat and skull the easiest cause I lowkey felt like I was cheating with them

[rustic basin]

Crits for 45 damage. Are we serious right now

[rustic basin]

S'how I feel, yeah. I eat 62s with Mel Coat like potato soup

Skulls are largely in the same basin but I do dread Medea a bit

[narrow pelican]

i didnt know you could turn potatos into soup

[craggy totem]

You make soup with potatoes in it 😆

[narrow pelican]

the breakfast of champions

[thin laurel]

potato leek soup goes hard af

true hades game meta: soup
but not soupay 😔

[narrow pelican]

cooking dlc for all the useless plants

[rustic basin]

Chowing down rn between rooms

[narrow pelican]

ok well enjoy your time, I think ive completed what I wanted myself o7

[broken glen]

Does that mean I can take the romanceables to dinner

[craggy totem]

Y'all ever think about how Melinoe is canonically a teacher's-pet jock

[rustic basin]

Half an hour later and this Aspect is single-handedly ruining my love for high Fear

[storm glen]

Quit

[rustic basin]

Every other Aspect I've played with has a way to circumvent its low power or starting weakness but this thing is unapologetic in its misery

[rustic basin]

And give it the satisfaction? I think not

[rustic basin]

I guess it doesn't help that it's the only Aspect where the "bonus" is only in effect when you get a Boon going (and none of the strikes stagger enemies! Awesome stuff!)

[grave gorge]

Stop this immediately

[smoky scroll]

First time going against promethus without a dd I NEED LUCK

Im using strength build pray for me lmfao 😭

[devout cairn]

dont get hit and then hit back

[smoky scroll]

I did it phase shift let me dodge the flames

[midnight moss]

I wish the game was smaller so I can reliably position myself behind the bosses. Or maybe that's what a smaller resolution is for.

[nova oar]

What

[tender oracle]

supay's chaos trial is wild
what do you mean strength (no dd's) without persistence or wayward son and with vow of hordes
and it's only 3 eyes
sure being able to bring any keepsake you want makes it easier cuz antler and pin are great for it but you're not gonna know what keepsake to bring the first time lol

[dim mountain]

is it a known bug for prometheus' first flame memory attack to just... not show up?

[nova oar]

huh?