h2-discussion

[crude dragon]

It does, that's why it's wanted on the Special specifically

[craggy totem]

That's what I figured! Thanks for confirming.

RIP past self getting Zeus special early on a Medea run and anxiously going "oh no, I guess I will have to do a funky little dance--"

[oblique hemlock]

challenge run where you have to spin mel around after every special or you lose

[oblique hemlock]

does anyone know which orchestra plays on the soundtrack? i have this idea in my head that it’s the london philharmonic but i can’t seem to find much info on it

[broken glen]

https://youtu.be/kjiYUgx74rU?si=V3_-MDfRRHM201t2

the credits for the orchestras are listed under each song’s description

[oblique hemlock]

it’s got the names of the musicians, but i was wondering if they hired an already existing orchestra

but maybe they hired each musician individually and put together their own orchestra? idk

ok yeah i think that’s what they did

[valid zephyr]

||anyone know how to start voice and vanity questline? I've done 120 nights and theres no more dialogue with narcissus and echo||

[craggy totem]

What is your relationship progress with them in your codex, currently? Do you have both their keepsakes?

[balmy iris]

vow of void is not scary at all if you're willing to not use jpom and play judgement RNG

I thought it was gonna be so much worse

[smoky scroll]

Hey im curious how far have people gotten with the blood curse

[queen thunder]

So I've been playing for a while ||beat Chronos and Father of monsters at least once, if possible I want a kinda like spoiler free anwser to this. How do I find the fates? I have beat Chronos like 3 times and Olympus once|| dms are good for an anwser or a reply is great to. Loving the game so far, favorite weapon is the hammer

[jolly ginkgo]

What is (in your opinion) the worst/best boss in hades 2

[balmy iris]

worst: rivals scylla, best: early game hecate

hecate has really good boss dialogue early game

[jolly ginkgo]

Rivals scylla worst? I loved that one. Imo rivals polythemus is worst for me

[thin laurel]

hmm. I think rivals chronos is a really, really cool fight, but also hard af. conceptually I think Scylla is really cool and a fun design, especially how parts of the music cut out as you defeat band members. basic prometheus is also a highlight.
for worst….. idk, cerb or typhon. neither is too hard I just find them a bit dull, and they don’t rly talk or banter with Mel

[balmy iris]

skill issue for me I guess

[meager walrus]

Rivals scylla is the most fun fight imo

[fickle drum]

I wasn't able to play at all today qq. I'm not in withdrawal I swear.

I haven't done any rivals fight yet. I do have it unlocked though.

[jolly ginkgo]

Tbh the poison hazards in rivals poly makes the fight feel kind of turn based, unlike literally every other fight in the game

[oblique hemlock]

in terms of fun for me, best: prometheus, worst: polyphemus
however Sightless Shepherd absolutely rips so that makes up for it

[thin laurel]

honestly I really like rivals poly, idk why I just find it satisfying to do well. probably the rivals boss I can most consistently do both hitless and fast

[balmy iris]

actually scratch that, rivals prometheus is the worst because I die 90% of the time

[oblique hemlock]

boo poison booo
🍅🍅🍅

[thin laurel]

rivals prom is annoying some of the time but the rivals version of the memory game is like….. 10x better imo, since you have something to do during it other than just stand around

[jolly ginkgo]

I have an entire tier list for all the bosses but can't post it yet cuz I just joined the server

[oblique hemlock]

after mastering the normal memory game, the rivals version is a really enjoyable challenge

[thin laurel]

nobody can post images on this channel lol, so best bet is send it via DMs or a private server then copy paste the image link

[jolly ginkgo]

I see

[fickle drum]

If I read the related Prophecy correctly, I must actually use the Vow of Rivals to unlock more tiers?

[thin laurel]

YEAH
also getting ||heracles|| to 50% hp or defeating him during the memory game feels great
(spoiler tagging for Manock altho rivals 3 isn’t post-ending content and doesn’t need to be tagged on this channel)

[balmy iris]

there is a reason why i need to have knuckle bones equipped every single time i do olympus and that's because I am bad at dodging

[jolly ginkgo]

I love rivals prom for the sole reason that i get a constant source of adrenaline throughout the fight

Either "OMG THEY JUMPING ME" or "Im not locked in here with you youre locked in here with me" depending on my aspect and build

[oblique hemlock]

ooh i should try that
i normally go after ||heracles|| first but im not actually sure if that’s the best strategy lol

[thin laurel]

have you done the cherished heirloom + hitch combo for that fight? so satisfying

[thin laurel]

I go after prom first since I find him way more annoying to dodge (at least with frenzy)

[balmy iris]

i don't do rivals higher than 2 the majority of the time

[oblique hemlock]

i find it so amusing that prometheus is the titan of foresight and yet telegraphs his attacks
makes sense from a gameplay perspective but it’s just so funny like now i got foresight too b****

[thin laurel]

well, if you ever do rivals 3 surface and have hera and demeter in the pool, knuckle bones + cherished heirloom + hitch is REALLY good.
instantly phases both of them lmao

[craggy totem]

I mean, it also makes sense from a lore perspective if you've gotten through the entire game :P

[smoky scroll]

Welp my run is all bur done im down to 1 last death defiance and im not even at promethus yet

[thin laurel]

there’s also dialogue where Prom is like “flames shall appear in three places, but can you predict which 🤨” like he’s mentoring her (but it also sounds kind of silly, he’s so dramatic abt it)

[oblique hemlock]

he’s such a drama queen i love him

[thin laurel]

…any chance of natural athena showing up and saving you?

[smoky scroll]

And he usually takes at least 1 death defiance from me

[jolly ginkgo]

I tend to prefer strength over death defiance for the sheer power.

[smoky scroll]

Even if she did it wouldn't help tbh because theres a chnace but not 100% she shows up with that

[craggy totem]

He's had a dramatic life! 😂

[thin laurel]

I prefer it when I can afford to run it!
but high fear is scary 😔
and max vow of scars specifically makes strength harder to justify tbh, healing is so good with it

[smoky scroll]

See i like having dd because im someone who wants to play swift

[craggy totem]

Swift Runner? I have that on all the time 🤔

[thin laurel]

also DDs are at minimum 3 extra hits for white antler final region lmao, so if you want to antler vs rivals bosses…….

[smoky scroll]

I do like to learning their patterns but for someone like like promethus who just says no almost the entire arena gets taken up in damage

I perfer just fast bash as hard as u can to get it over with because tbh he is the weakest boss fight in hades imo

[jolly ginkgo]

Depending on my mood, I'll either run maximum fated authority, or just use ||jeweled pom|| and pray for good luck

[smoky scroll]

He aint bad per say its just he is ok next to great bosses

[long silo]

I've been a DD enjoyer lately as I get into higher fear

Strength is tough

[foggy sable]

I wanna use aspect of charon, but the only way I can use casts personally is when they are aim to fire casts like what hestia or zeus have

is that still effective?

[jolly ginkgo]

Charon Axe is how I beat level 4 vow of rivals for both the underworld and surface
Also yes, it is effective. Optimal even, if you wanna stay out of danger

[thin laurel]

it’s fine! zeus is better since it’s instant—ranged casts with a travel time can take away a really strong tech Charon can do with the giga cleaver hammer and/or exceptional talent, where you get more than one cast explosion from just one omega special

[foggy sable]

does the furies activate with the blast thing? if so I might go ahead and upgrade it

Im hoping ill be able to properly use casts even without those 2 at some point because feeling forced to use one of 2 specific gods every run doesn't feel fun to me

[thin laurel]

that said, 1. don’t forget that you can dash while channeling your o-special, so you can put your cast down at melee range then start channeling special and dash backwards, and
2. Charon sometimes ends up doing more total omega special damage than cast, so you can hit enemies at range that way even with a melee cast

and to be clear, you’re not holding down cast right? just tapping, for charon?

[foggy sable]

either or lol

[thin laurel]

no reason to ever hold it down on charon, it does nothing lol

[rotund hearth]

Can you only romance one character each save

[thin laurel]

hitting any cast with your omega special pops it instantly, so holding down cast to channel an omega cast is kinda a waste of time

aiming a ranged cast with a short hold I guess makes sense? but also your AoE is huge so you often don’t need to bother

[rotund hearth]

Wait you can omega special and cast at the same time

[foggy sable]

yeah but sometimes you need to aim a bit for my situation, so it might happen on accident

[jolly ginkgo]

Nope, you can date multiple peeps at once

[thin laurel]

playing on mouse at least, cast just aims at your cursor, so I never rly bother 😅
as a defensive tool also sometimes I want to drop it at my feet ngl, to keep me safe

[rotund hearth]

Hmm, was wondering why Icarus disappeared from the crossroads after I got that scene with Eris

[thin laurel]

aspect of Charon’s loop is:
drop your cast
start holding special
dash while still holding special
omega special goes off, which pops your cast and gives you a free omega cast

[foggy sable]

as someone who plays on switch, that is unfortunately not an option on my end lol

[rotund hearth]

Oh oh gotcha. I don't use axe so can't get it

I wanna try skull more. Specifically Persephone

[smoky scroll]

ATHENA SAVE MY RUN AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[jolly ginkgo]

Charon might be a little broken tbh. I can't believe he wielded such a weapon if mass destruction

[smoky scroll]

Cmon athena be a clutch queen

[thin laurel]

as someone who strongly dislikes the other axes, maybe give charon a try some time, it feels nothing like an axe tbh. super ranged, super AoE

[rotund hearth]

Once enemies start spawning at inhuman speed just know she's doing a one shot

[foggy sable]

should I use the rank 2 for time if my runs rarely go past 22-23 minutes personally?

the problem with time for me is the minor anxiety I get from the timer

[smoky scroll]

Yeah luckily she is here

[thin laurel]

I love aspect of charon so much lol… got me my first ever 62 fear clear, it’s such a good weapon

[rotund hearth]

It's more the speed than anything tbh. I'm more of a quick strike person so idk maybe I'll try it

[smoky scroll]

Now if she gives me what i need i may be able to save my run

[rotund hearth]

What is max fear? Because I just beat 20 fear for the first time

[jolly ginkgo]

Its what allowed me to beat vow of rivals 4 for both surface and underworld, and probably has some of the highest potential damage output in the game

[thin laurel]

67
but I don’t plan to go past 62, because any higher means turning on the vow of void (which lowers your max grasp for arcana cards)
67 fear = no arcana cards at all

[rotund hearth]

Yikesss

[smoky scroll]

BLOOD AND DARKNESS ATHENA U SAVED THE RUN TYSM

[thin laurel]

62 is fun tho (I say, full of stockholm syndrome, a knife at my throat)
you die and struggle a ton but then win and feel great lmao

[jolly ginkgo]

PLEASE ATHENA I NEED THISSSS. My hp is kinda low...

[smoky scroll]

On god lmfaoo

[rotund hearth]

I'll keep increasing fear the more I play

Persephone skull and Jpom, walk with me

[smoky scroll]

Ngl im gonna take a shot in the dark and promethus wins by the end of this game

[foggy sable]

with how much people love it, I feel bad saying it, but Im not a fan of charon axe lol

[pale pier]

This is on personal like and not how hard they are

Worst: Eris

Best: Prometheus

[pale pier]

I used to be an axe main when I started playing, but I got over it

[thin laurel]

valid tbh, I think it’s divisive
slow and deliberate magick hungry weapon 🤷

[pale pier]

My main weapon is Anubis staff

[craggy totem]

You make it sound like some kind of antisocial habit lmao

[smoky scroll]

For me the worst is promethus or polyphemus

The best is hands down chronos imo

[thin laurel]

see idt Charon axe appeals to axe mains, it doesn’t use the (imo very annoying) axe attack combo
it’s kinda more like shiva if anything…? high damage omega combo

[foggy sable]

I just have trouble casting properly unless im under specific circumstances, which kind of messes me up

when I panic, I just start swinging, which is certainly not a good thing

[pale pier]

There are better options.
It it still top 4 for me though

[jolly ginkgo]

I might get over Charon axe someday, but I will never play medea skull again. The sheer brain death of such an op weapon can only leech at me for so long

[thin laurel]

when you say properly wym? since often on weapons which aren’t cast focused, I just drop it at my feet and kinda ignore it

[smoky scroll]

Tho u can defo make a case for eris like famn stand still for 5 seconds already

[thin laurel]

like. aiming at enemies? using it at all?
since, you know. ABC, always be casting

[foggy sable]

unless I intentionally make it in a specific way, I just dont use it at all

[thin laurel]

ah
yeah even on other weapons I’d make it a priority to work on that, even if no enemy is inside it it’s just more crowd control and safety. it’s a RLY good tool

[pale pier]

For me:

1. Staff (Anubis especially, but also Circe
2. Moros Torches
3. Medea Skull
4. Hidden Dagger
5. Axe
6. Coat

[foggy sable]

well I have the workaround of it being ranged, ig the extra damage combined with the fact I can fire it off from anywhere and it'll still land, makes it a lot easier for me to use

[nova oar]

Coat slander in the big 25

[foggy sable]

on that note, ik about zeus and hestia, but is there any other ranged cast?

[craggy totem]

Hades and Dionysus

[jolly ginkgo]

Coat is kinda Coated ngl

[foggy sable]

oh right, hades has one, I honestly disregarded dio's cast cause I am personally not a fan of it anywhere outside of flat arenas, and even then its slow to use

[rotund hearth]

I love rivals Scylla and I never wanna turn off vow of rivals again. She's by far my favourite boss even if I'm not strong

As for least favourite boss, Prometheus used to be it before I learned his floor is lava mechanic so now it's rivals Polyphemus because I HATE POISON. SCREW YOU MEDEA

[jolly ginkgo]

I just get Zeus on special and hestia on cast

Then get the duo

Focus on magik and then spam omega rockets and profit

[thin laurel]

for me part of the appeal is that even if cast doesn’t land on anything, it still creates a barrier small enemies can’t get through 👀
unless it’s my main damage source (like on Circe staff) I don’t rly mind if it whiffs, since it’s still creating a safe zone

[jolly ginkgo]

FACTS. SCREW POISON

[foggy sable]

poison sucks, yes

apparently people voted jeweled pom as the best keepsake, and honestly, after using it, its def the best for fate's whim

[thin laurel]

oh yeah it’s absurdly overpowered.
easily best keepsake imo lol

[jolly ginkgo]

Jeweled pom is always a gamble for me, but thats ok because I never lose (please just give me lucid gain Apollo I swear to Chronos)

[thin laurel]

the nice with with jpom is that it makes more total boons viable 👀
apollo is still by far the best for charon, but born gain and flood gain still go hard with +3 levels

[craggy totem]

I didn't realize until I took off jpom how dire it felt to get level one common boons and actually have to invest in poms

[jolly ginkgo]

High level on tranquil gain is great too
Stand still for 0.0000001 seconds and suddenly youre back to full

[foggy sable]

personally not that much of a fan of fates whim myself

[craggy totem]

One (1) Rarify from your friendly local chosen god is so not worth it

[thin laurel]

I can’t stand tranquil gain but that is a me issue, and also a high fear issue
I do like it with lunar ray builds actually? since it regens while you stand still firing it. but otherwise it feels like it gets me killed 😔

[flat nymph]

I've been experimenting with going with calling card first and what I've noticed is that while jeweled pom is undeniably better, it giving you extra levels on everything can be rather needless at times

[thin laurel]

ionic and tranquil are probably also fine on charon objectively, I just……. I can’t, it feels so bad to me personally

[foggy sable]

until I grab aspect of persephone, then it is absolutely hilarious

[flat nymph]

Calling card feels a bit less overtuned - more "exactly as strong as I need it to be"

[thin laurel]

calling card would imo feel a lot more op if jpom didn’t exist

[craggy totem]

I suppose it makes sense in a sort of loreish way; it's ||a keepsake from two gods ;D||

[flat nymph]

It can be viable to say "I want one boon that I can make heroic and then dump poms into" for some build

[thin laurel]

not just because of the comparison, but also because then you could take ccard region 1 with no real opportunity cost

[flat nymph]

Anyway calling card region 1 and then pom for 2 can be fun, but I'm not going to pretend like it's optimal

[foggy sable]

honestly I just like rerolling everything

[thin laurel]

yeahhhh
even ccard region 2 struggles to compete with chrolex tbh.
with niche exceptions, like guaranteed heroic heph blasts/pyro technique/double strike region 2 if you know it’s in the pool

[foggy sable]

like ha, screw you fates, I dont want that boon, gimme another

that last bit is also why I like sea star so much

[craggy totem]

I thought that playing with rerolls would at least make up for it by letting me avoid those situations where I'm trying to do a Scorch build but Hestia won't give PT to me. Nope! It doesn't! You can still get screwed by RNG!

[thin laurel]

I think I might be less addicted to fate’s whim if I didn’t play during early access. rerolls were just so absurdly dominant for so long that it’s nice to have a break from them tbh

[foggy sable]

why have 25 extra health when you can have 50 :D

[flat nymph]

This is me too

[rotund hearth]

Persephone skull is a tactical nuke wtf😭

Paired with hephestus blast boons it's crazy

What's the best hammer for skull btw

[flat nymph]

If you like tactical nuking, then wide grin right?

[thin laurel]

kinda depends how you’re playing it…? if you’re leaning into the omega special gimmick then twisting crash or w/e it’s called goes crazy

heph blasts are just their own thing tho, they don’t interact much with hammers

[rotund hearth]

Oop. Didn't get it this time. Boosted ignition, looming ignition and colossus driver

[fickle drum]

I'm not addicted to Hades 2. I can quit whenever I want. It's just that I'm quitting when I don't want to.

[rotund hearth]

I like looming ignition +50% attack damage and BLAST

[fickle drum]

Also I remembered why some multipliers are super tiny. It's because they apply globally so they affect flat damage too.

[dull talon]

I just had a dream where vow of rivals also added an extra encounter chamber to biomes, and for Thessaly it was a massive ship where you had to fight 5 poison Polyphemuses at once

[craggy totem]

Horrifying!!!!!!

[foggy sable]

no

[oblique hemlock]

guys i swear i ONLY get ||infernal contracts|| in erebus
i have seen ONE in thessaly and its easily been 60+ nights since unlocking them
this rng is driving me insane

[oblique hemlock]

a nightmare courtesy of melinoë D:

[autumn zinc]

man ||Athena|| just came through for me hard cause ||she's offering Epic Renewed Faith to replenish my DDs|| after I ||spent them all surviving a Zag fight||

[craggy totem]

Shaking her head at you like ||you brats... really wasting my boons like this on scrapping with each other....||

[little cipher]

Been there. That's literally what I did.

[smoky scroll]

Ngl the aspecrs in this are a lot better then hades 1 imo

[storm glen]

they are!

[pallid cradle]

Ehhh... Kinda?

Imo the only super unique/really good feeling aspects are Anubis, Medea, Charon, and Morrigan

Supay too even after 3 patches of hate towards it

[ancient ridge]

Something I have been wondering about:
||In the earlier runs of when heading down in the Underworld, particularily in Oceanus, Chronos randomly stops proceeding to the next chamber and end up in Asphodel. Can this still happen? I haven't encountered this happening since.||

[thin laurel]

yup, that can still happen

[crude dragon]

When in doubt, Possessed Array

[crude dragon]

All three are pretty good

[fickle drum]

So uh. Am I crazy or is there a little JoJo influence in the aesthetics?

[oblique hemlock]

tips for nergal? i’m struggling with the lack of range on its ospecial

[red fox]

Spin

[snow bough]

yo is it good to descend like how does it work ?

[oblique hemlock]

i always thought axe oattack was bad…

[oblique hemlock]

like into the chaos portals?

[broken creek]

Psychic whirlwind is consistently a stupid strong hammer, and even without its still strong assuming you have the right arcana

And for nergal specifically psychic whirlwind might as well be trick knives

[oblique hemlock]

is that the one that makes oattack faster? cause my main problem with it is that you move super slow while it’s going on

[broken creek]

Psychic lets you act normally while it's going

There is one that makes it fast too though

[snow bough]

like when you playing the game you see these descend stuff what happens if i descend ?

[oblique hemlock]

the things that make you lose a little health? you go into another area where you can meet another character and pick some unique boons

[broken creek]

And for nergal specifically, my experience tends to be a mix of dash attack, Ospecial, and Oattack. Once you have its gimmick active you can kinda turn your brain off

[oblique hemlock]

definitely do it at some point you haven’t already

[snow bough]

will i not lose progress or anything ?

[oblique hemlock]

nope

[broken creek]

But it is also a weapon that wants magic gain bad because of how omega centric it is

[thin laurel]

if you take it instead of a shop you will miss the shop, tho

[oblique hemlock]

unless it’s the final shop

[crude dragon]

You will skip over whatever the next room would have been, unless it's a pre-boss shop/item

[oblique hemlock]

i guess i’m still getting used to it. i normally like axe but nergal feels soooooo slow

[thin laurel]

yesss, just midshops

[midnight moss]

Don't O. Just smash. Upgrade to V before use. Hermetic Speed. Get the Heph Legendary.

[sinful sable]

how do i change the seed of the run?

other then dying

[midnight moss]

Change Arcana.

If beyond initial room, play differently.

[sinful sable]

uhm, no. That doesnt work

[midnight moss]

Yes it does. Try it.

[analog cave]

any idea what i could still need shaderot for? i've checked and i've done every single incantation

[sinful sable]

uhm, no, it doesnt

[analog cave]

if you've done the right incantation to unlock it, all you need to do is salute the oath of the unseen (press LB on controller)

but if you haven't, unlocking the ability to roll seeds is a late-game unlock

[midnight moss]

Did you try it?

[sinful sable]

hm. Well i've finished the game and even killed last bosses a couple of times

[tender oracle]

you can unlock the ability to properly change the seed after unveiling the second statue

[sinful sable]

yes. Did you?
I dont want to change my planned arcanas and to play differently, if that's what you ment.

[thin laurel]

it doesn't actually do that
it can, but it won't always work

[analog cave]

you need to have unlocked the second "night's champion" statue, and have reached the epilogue

[sinful sable]

thanks a lot mates

[thin laurel]

changing things like arcana, familiar, or weapon can change the seed since it's dynamically generated, but it won't fully reset it the way that dying or the post-ending incant does

[thin laurel]

one thing which can be nice to know:
if you're offered something like rare demeter attack, common demeter cast, and common demeter sprint
if you exit the run and switch to zeus keepsake, you will generally be offered the same three types of boon with the same rarity

so you can kinda manipulate your seed that way to make the most of it, if you're using god keepsakes at least. for fate's whim.... yeah just die or get the late game incantation

or make diff choices early in the run and the run will diverge, even if you're stuck with the same room 1

[sinful sable]

from my experience the seed is "hardcoded" into the run. If you turn off the arcana and then turn it on, or change the familiar and change it back - the run will be absolutely the same.

[midnight moss]

You gotta change your Arcana loadout. Not just flicker it

[thin laurel]

see, the only reason I know it's possible for changing stuff like familiar to change your seed is that sometimes I change to a different familiar and then the boons I'm offered also change, when I wanted them to stay the same.
but it's not reliable and doesn't always work

[sinful sable]

yeah, well, that's not changing the seed only without changing the run - you suggest changing the run

i ment changing the seed only, which was answered already. Thanks you all ❤️

guess i just have to die then
IN GAME

got the helth regen boon from the pom and hex as the first boon =\

[jolly ginkgo]

Best Scylla and the Sirens song in your opinion?

[little cipher]

I Am Gonna Claw. It's been stuck in my head for the last few days

[thin laurel]

for my personal tastes:
Claw >>> Hard Place ≥ Coral Crown > Eyes
but they're all fantastic

[tender oracle]

i'm a bewitching eyes truther

personally it's eyes > crown > hard place > claw but they're all really good

[oblique hemlock]

eyes > hard place > crown > claw
for me

they are all super catchy though

[thin laurel]

I love eyes for its role in the story and what it says about scylla's character
but it's less my genre
claw is in a fun time signature and I can't not love that 😔

[jolly ginkgo]

For me? Im Gonna Claw = Hard Place > Coral Crown > Bewitching Eyes

[oblique hemlock]

eyes is just so 80s

[craggy totem]

Claw is the one I like most musically, but I like Crown's lyrics more

[jolly ginkgo]

All the songs are 8.9/10 and above cuz theyre all peak

[oblique hemlock]

bewitching eyes has gone platinum in my house

[tender oracle]

extremely specific

[thin laurel]

actually yeah this is..... almost exactly my take
altho I think the lyrics of claw are funny af
scylla said "what is subtlety? what is metaphor? I am going to kill you and you wear ugly clothes, ily"

[snow bough]

I KILLED HIM LETS GOOOOO

[jolly ginkgo]

Thats just where I rate the lowest song
Others are higher

[snow bough]

brooo omfg

[tender oracle]

i feel like bewitching eyes is always either your favorite or least favorite because of just how different it is than the rest

[rotund hearth]

RAHHHH

[rotund hearth]

It's both for me depending on the day

[thin laurel]

I think I'm just less of a rock ballad person...? I'd like the type of song Eyes is if it were a different genre, and I like songs within its genre more when they have a different vibe
still great music tho

[rotund hearth]

Crown's lyrics are amazing and fit the theme and characters... Which is why rock and a hard place is better because it does that better

[thin laurel]

also all 4 of the oceanus "song of X" themes are fantastic

[meager walrus]

rock and a hard place = coral crown > claw > eyes

[glossy gulch]

||can you use the chaos trial of doom to find the three fates? it has the engraved pin in oceanus||

[craggy totem]

Song of the Isles my beloved

[rotund hearth]

Song of the pearls and song of the deep>>>

[thin laurel]

honestly... hm
I might actually put rock and a hard place above claw in terms of the chorus and pre-chorus, they're SO catchy
but the verse of claw is soooo good, imo

[rotund hearth]

Turn around and swim back to your shore, sailor

[thin laurel]

just everthing from "whirlpool sucks you in" goes so so hard

[jolly ginkgo]

"Pinched my a chrab, strangled by an octopus, bitten by a shark, and stung by a jellyfish"

[thin laurel]

slapped by a bass 🔥

[rotund hearth]

DAMNED if you DO or you DON'T

MCR level performance

Just the way Scylla says the DAMNED gets me every time. Also I like Charybdis growling. Sorry but it adds to the feel

[jolly ginkgo]

I know that entire section by memory

[rotund hearth]

Only time I'll ever speak positively about Ch*rybdis

[craggy totem]

Charybdis representing female harsh vocals 🐙

[rotund hearth]

The sponsor cooked

Also I think I know the most underrated Hades 2 song that I hardly ever see anyone talk about

||The Risen Fleet||

[thin laurel]

scylla covers of moonlight guide us and time belongs to us when...
hell, scylla cover of in the blood even

[rotund hearth]

Scylla's cover of fated glory would be so morbid I need it

[storm glen]

agree agree

[nova oar]

MID

[outer plover]

sure can

[storm glen]

this is why people dont answer "what music do you listen to"

😼

[red fox]

Just mute the game like a psychopath

[thin laurel]

luthien does lmao

[nova oar]

Yeah i play no sound

[dull whale]

Yup thank God you can. It's significantly faster this way 🙂

[dry ivy]

Is there any particular reason the soundtrack (and other Supergiant soundtracks) aren't on YouTube music?

[nova oar]

I have them on yt music

[dry ivy]

Bastion and Transistor, and a compilation album, are on there. The rest are YouTube videos that aren't grouped in an album

[hasty wren]

Okay on replaying H1 a bit I can safely say 2 is WAY better balanced in like, every way lol

Feels better, less hits that feel random/enemies don't just whack you for free sometimes, boon and weapon balance are far closer to eachother powerwise (though god I miss Ares blade rifts and calls instead of the hexes)

[storm glen]

wdym dont you love needing to roll good hammers on half the weapons to be usable

[hasty wren]

Yeah that uhhh. That I don't miss

[storm glen]

dont you love most builds in the game being nonfunctional without crits or flat damage

[hasty wren]

Though I do think even in H2 there aren't enough hammers per run, honestly, I still don't have all the list finished when I make SURE to pick a new upgrade each time

[red fox]

Boon are between broken and unpickable

[hasty wren]

And I've gotten the epilogue/prioritize hammers each run

[storm glen]

eh there are like 10 hammers per wpn or something thats 60 hammers in total u arent getting that before the epilogue

[hasty wren]

Which is a shame cuz I'd love to be able to make some combo builds with weaponry but its like, you get 2, maybe 3 hammers

And since you can't even reroll them, you can't really do much there in terms of choice

And I still find most hexes pretty bad/way too niche

[storm glen]

most hammers arent that interesting and they shouldnt be bc theyre 100% rng

[hasty wren]

Dark for example is awful, my god

Oh I know, I'd love an incantation to pick a hammer at the start of a run though or something

That alone would help immensely, and I was p surprised it never was a thing, since most other stuff is just straight upgraded from H1

[covert badge]

nah man dark side is goated

[red fox]

Sure i definitely won't take trick knife everytime on sister blade trust

[craggy totem]

I think I got all hammers before I finished the epilogue 🤔

[storm glen]

they were really stubborn on keeping the hammer system

[hasty wren]

And then there's the ones unique to each aspect ala 1...

[storm glen]

i feel like hammers just. dont matter that much in the grand scheme of things

[heady solstice]

first time playing hades 2 guys

[craggy totem]

Oh, well, not the aspect-specific ones, true.

[hasty wren]

Yeah that surprised me. It was one of the big issues in 1 and I feel like it didn't get changed in 2, though weapons were mostly buffed baseline

[storm glen]

its not really an issue in hades 2 anymore because no weapon actually needs them

[hasty wren]

Certainly not as much, no

[storm glen]

feel like that and moon water are the only "bad" ones

[hasty wren]

Oh no Moon Water I love

Especially with godsent

[craggy totem]

A lot of people going through the first time liked Moon Water a lot. Dark Side was my preference for "defensive hex" but

[grave gorge]

Moon Water got me through my first few clears, though I tend to go for dps hexes now

[red fox]

Hexes is one of my favourite chrolex target

[craggy totem]

Yeah, they have their niche, even if they aren't meta ™ for people doing challenge stuff

[hasty wren]

But Dark Side wasn't really. Ever good, godsent or otherwise, I find twilight hex is alright but for it not working on bosses, which is pretty important

[covert badge]

moon water has its niche with revenge boons proc, flood gain-lite, and gold spawn upgrade/pos godsent
but yeah it drops out when you play with scars

[grave gorge]

MOON? GOLD.

[craggy totem]

Twilight works on boss adds, including stuff like Typhon eggs, and it can also be upgraded to do heavy hits to bosses. Which is great, because it charges up fast.

[hasty wren]

Laser is alright but only if you roll the "it gets used automatically" one so you don't have to stay in place

[grave gorge]

Laser becomes nutty if godsent

[hasty wren]

Well that also is an issue cuz it just changes with moon phase in a way I still can't quite figure out, what determines how big the tree is

[red fox]

Lunar ray with godsent is delete button

[hasty wren]

Yeah godsent ray is really fun. But I still really prefer the "auto channel" one

[jolly ginkgo]

Mental Stability? Gold!

[grave gorge]

Spoons? Gold!

[hasty wren]

Lunar blast is p good once it gets AoE in order to not miss after its ages of "charge"

[jolly ginkgo]

Goons? Gold!

[hasty wren]

Phase shift is alright but god its so short it feels like, even maxed out

[grave gorge]

Boon?! Gold!!

[hasty wren]

And godsent feels like it doesn't do a whole lot

[jolly ginkgo]

Swoon? Gold! (If you get this reference youre goated)

[hasty wren]

Oh and Skyfall seemed. Pretty bad each time I used it

[storm glen]

skyfall is insanely good

[grave gorge]

Skyfall actually the worst

Even Scylla can dodge it

[hasty wren]

Really? Even with godsent I found its range too short and the damage kinda ehhh

[grave gorge]

...that's the moon drop one, right?

[jolly ginkgo]

Skyfall is absolute garbage

[hasty wren]

Night bloom can be funny but depends on a defeated enemy first, which makes it annoying

[storm glen]

no its the one for aspect of selene

[hasty wren]

No skyfall is the ||hidden aspect specific one for Xinth||

[storm glen]

how did you find the damage ehh with the godsent what are you doing wrong 💔

[hasty wren]

Total eclipse is the drop the moon thing, and its godsent is incredibly good

[grave gorge]

Oh
Nvm I like that one, but mostly because I'm a WoW player and I get to yell "Moonfire! Moonfire!" While it's going

[storm glen]

literally one of the strongest hexes with the godsent

[grave gorge]

In fairness, I haven't tried godsent moon drop yet

[hasty wren]

It really never seemed to do a lot, hrmm

[hasty wren]

Want me to spoil what it does or nah?

[grave gorge]

Sure, and tell me which god

I have two godsents left to get for that particular prophecy, and I forget which they are lol

[hasty wren]

Oh, Wolf is fun to use though I wish the godsent hit quicker. And I think the "rush boon" thing is bugged.

[hasty wren]

||Hestia and it applies like 1000 scorch to every enemy in the room over its 4 seconds before impact time, letting you go over 999 with scorch too, seemingly as a seperate addition||

Its REALLY fun and I think one of the best godsents/ways to make it useful

[grave gorge]

That is oretty awesome

I will still complain that it's useless without that upgrade, but

Now I'm definitely interested in trying it

[hasty wren]

I wouldn't say useless unless you can't get a couple of the AoE increase ones, cuz then yeah its. Never gonna hit

I still am amazed how bad Dark Side is though, LOWERING your DPS even without boons

[fallow marsh]

im just curious, most of you use aim assist or not?

[hasty wren]

I just kept it on default, usually works nicely. Sometimes its a bit too clingy but I dunno if lowering it would help or just make a lot of other situations worse

[covert badge]

i always use aim assist as it functions as a soft lock-on
people disables this when comes to certain gameplay that requires tight precision though, like torches and medea

[fallow marsh]

i thought its better to use aim assist for torches so you move and attack same time easier

[covert badge]

sometimes when it comes to certain fights (like ||rivals eris/prom||), obstacles or mob spawns get priority over the actual foe and its a bit annoying
but yeah mostly i have no problem with aim assist

[fallow marsh]

i dont use aim assist personally

i feel like its handicap

[thin laurel]

idt it really is, it's a tool the game gives you, same as autosprint and autofire
it's not god mode, and even god mode isn't as op as the name sounds

[crisp gust]

Finally got all bonds ! I'm almost ready to restart the story to get that 1.1 new storyline

[thin laurel]

ah, grave thirst on skull, 62 time again I guess...
also oooh what else are you aiming to do before the 1.1 stuff? 👀

[red fox]

I already playing as god what can god mode do anyway

[strange carbon]

Hello

[crisp gust]

mostly getting the last testament I'm missing (I basically only play grave thirst and didn't get the right weapon for a while) and maybe doing great chaos below. Not much, feels weird tbh.

[icy pulsar]

I feel like I discovered a super meta build by accident. Charon with Lucid Gain is just infinite omega spam

Got heroic Apollo special and the hammer that lets it hit twice

[red fox]

Wait until you see charon supernova

[icy pulsar]

Supernova?

[red fox]

Apollo boon make cast slowly become bigger

[crude dragon]

Charon's aspect bonus seems to be stacking multiplicatively with the boon

[silk moth]

maxed lunar ray with 3 fan pattern and autoaim

[hasty wren]

Plus godsent. The goooood stuff

[crude dragon]

Plus Whispered Prayer

[silk moth]

yeaaaaah

"so bright it hurts!"

[grave gorge]

How do Chaos Gates work in Fields? Do they just replace one of the rewards or do they skip the entire room?

I've been too hesitant to buy Spark heading into fields lol

[nova oar]

They don't replace a room unfortunatly

[grave gorge]

So they replace a single reward in a room?

[nova oar]

Nope

[grave gorge]

So they replace... nothing? If you buy spark of ixion you just get a chaos boon for free?

[nova oar]

taking chaos is a time loss in fields

[grave gorge]

Hell yeah, exactly what I was hoping to hear

[meager walrus]

well uh, its complicated

there's some fancy math or whatever where its technically optimal to buy the spark of ixion and then skip the chaos gate if the first door is a 2 encounter room

if the first door is instead a 3 encounter room you take the chaos gate and hope that you roll a 2 encounter door afterwards

but yeah they made chaos not skip any encounters a while ago because early speedrunners would dump a ton of rerolls into the post-scylla well

because hitting a spark of ixion there and skipping 2-3 encounters was just way too much time save

[smoky scroll]

That was an amazing final boss fight one nit pick tho

I hate infinite dd its takes all the skill and challenge away

[meager walrus]

you can do the fight without infinite dds

[smoky scroll]

I can ooooo now that sounds so fun

[meager walrus]

that segment was just for story reasons, later on you unlock the fight for real

[nova oar]

I agree

[smoky scroll]

Because it pulls the rug out and was so cool to have happen

And the arena and the moves its perfect down to the last detail its perfect

[nova oar]

I didn't notice it at the time so idk

[smoky scroll]

Hands down my favorite boss fight comparing hades 1 and 2 combined

Yo what ||im playing as chronos this is wild||

[grave gorge]

I truly didn't notice the infinite DDs either

I had already been watching youtubers doing runs, so I knew how P3 worked, even if I had no idea the game was gonna throw it at me at that moment. I was super surprised, but then I locked in like crazy lmao

I think I ended it on 3 health and no (real) defiances left. It was only on the victory screen that I looked down to see the extra defiance with the infinity symbol

[nova oar]

I'd been running max rivals for ages beforehand so yeah i got jumpscared but it was pretty easy

[verbal hinge]

is it possible to get 200 gold out of heracles?

i get 160 often, and 180 sometimes, but never 200

[nova oar]

I think the cap os 220? could be wrong

[serene stone]

Only if you have a build that basically kills everything the moment it spawns.

Was lucky enough once he popped up during the last room for me, and I had an insane Hera/Aphrodite build going.

(Pretty sure it was 220, yeah)

[verbal hinge]

wow then where is all that gold going i don't even see the targets

[serene stone]

One tip I have is to kill the targets next to him as fast possible. He takes a bit to wind up, but instantkills everything.

[queen yew]

without spoiling too much, what's true ending that people are talking about? is 'Death to Chronos' a true ending or i missed something but doing that?

[hearty timber]

Endings happen after every run

The true ending is after you complete the dissolution of time and disintegration of monster incantations

[little mason]

Death to hades

[thin laurel]

I don’t rly use the phrase true ending, but yeah that’s probably what people mean.
there’s also the epilogue, but I think ppl tend to call that the epilogue not the true ending

[thin laurel]

“Death to ALL”

• Dora

[queen yew]

so about the Fated Prophecy 'Melinoe, Help Us' can it actually be done?

and || are the Three Fates literally never gonna be found in this story? ||

[little mason]

no its bugged you actually cant complete it

[red fox]

Need to reach ending first

[hearty timber]

Lolllllllll

[hearty timber]

Yes it can be done but only after the 2 incantations I mentioned

[thin laurel]

follow its direction, it will change as you make progress
if it hasn’t changed, work on other stuff that seems relevant to the main events of the game

[queen yew]

thing is it became || Melinoe, Seek Us || lol, so i assume Help Us is done ?

[queen yew]

ok, that was confusing from the game lol

[little mason]

i can never trust a guy with ur pfp

troll vibes

[verbal hinge]

what do you think of dashing heave as a reliable way to proc origination with charon with the aoe?

since the cast blast does not count as 2 curses hitting

so dash strike cast o.special and try not to get hit?

[thin laurel]

what do you mean by this...? no omega cast effect triggers origination anyway

in general using attack for origination on Charon sounds not worth it, imo

the goal should be some combo of:

1. special
2. cast (core boon)
3. arctic gale (secondary cast boon)
4. when all else fails, a rush boon

but the cast blast is just an Ωcast, you'll still get a status curse from your cast like normal 🤷

if an attack boon is truly your only way of applying orig, I'd also just use a normal dash strike, not get dashing heave (unless the other hammers offered were also for attacks). charon has very few good hammers, so turning down one of those hammers to make your attack better is too big an opportunity cost imo

unless you're asking specifically about proccing origination in the full AoE of the cleaved cast, on enemies outside your normal cast circle, but at that point... idk, I don't think weaving in a dash strike is worth it, charon does such high damage that I'd rather start on another cast combo

[queen yew]

its a joke among my friends, from the spiderman comics (sinister six)

[hearty timber]

Domain expansion: End of Time

[scenic gust]

What is the point of Hel Hammer for Omega Attack again? Way way way to slow. And 90% time you combo is with Omega Special

[brittle summit]

i feel multiple times in this game that the damage is not quite expected with the weapons lol. the attack sequences of the axe deals way less damage than i expect and the double blades deals so much more

[nova oar]

what

[brittle summit]

no? the axe got the biggest aa effect in the world and deals like 40 in first few sequences

[nova oar]

we must be playing different games

[brittle summit]

ye i dont rememebr the exact number but i just feel like this several times that the vfx looks like i should smack them already but in reality they lose like a quarter health. the final strike on axe is real massive tho

while the double blade is like insane dmg output and range is not really that small

[nova oar]

blades are like the weakest weapon in terms of damage output and range, you may be playing axe wrong

[sleek oar]

I think theyre just talking about personal weapon feel

[nova oar]

fair

I hate axe way more than blades, except for charon, but axe has more base damage

[brittle summit]

idk the weapon variants yet if its still a thing in hades2 and havent fighred out the skill niches

[nova oar]

weapon system is the same as h1

[brittle summit]

axe is way too clunky for me to use and it isnt dealing as much damage as i expect at default i guess. the final blow is too important but it need like 2 second to charge

[nova oar]

The best way to play axe is to only use dash attack and special, occasianly normal attacks and never using the final attack

[brittle summit]

fair

in my playthrough i just picked the god of love (again i dont remember names yet) auto attack which gives +100% then stack regen, cuz when im doing attack sequence its impossible to dodge certain things.
and you can see thats really not a strat against final boss

[nova oar]

ah ok i never use auto attack, i wouldnt recommend it

aphrodite, the god of love, is a good choice for the attack but can struggle to scale

[brittle summit]

i havent met much scaling options yet so i just stack levels now. i remember in hades1 there's those double god skills which is real powerful, i havent seen much of those yet

[nova oar]

There are duos for every god, but they are less powerful than in the first game

[brittle summit]

i just unlocked the skull which is like a freakn orbital cannon lol. i will try use that later

[nova oar]

Skull is good

[raven wren]

hades 2 isnt on a sale rn im tweaking yo

[nova oar]

It just came out lmaooo

[brittle summit]

also i didnt expect the omega auto for skull deal 150 dmg at basic lmao. thats my point, many of those numbers feels so surprising to me, i dont expect they be like that

[raven wren]

everything but the games that i have on my wish list are on a sale

i <3 being a broke ahh bum

[nova oar]

I have 1/11 on sale im not happy

[nova oar]

which is crazy cause skull omega attack is pretty bad lmao

[brittle summit]

i had this game first day on EA and i start playing yesterday

well i guess thats why i feel like they have so juiced numbers at this state lmao

[dull tendon]

Damn is it just me or is Rivals harder than Extreme Measures

[sharp cosmos]

Hi there :)
I recently went back to the game, and used the incantation to re-experience the main story, which gave me a text box about my stock of Z-Sand and V-Lenses being available after the credits or something ?
However, I got about 50k prestige from "nowhere", and suspect that's those ressources being converted, am I right in my assumption ?

[nova oar]

yes

[nova oar]

No, costs of some items were reduced

[sharp cosmos]

Damn, that's a lot of item which cost have been reduced then

[nova oar]

no clue which ones but I got alot back

[sharp cosmos]

Thanks for the answer
Aaaaaaand, I forgot about the slowmode that has been extended to 15 seconds in here, blergh.

[sharp brook]

ok, how do I unlock the Unfinished Business prophecy, I've taken the Knuckle Bones to Polythemus and Circe and got their dialogue, but Scylla is not responding to the keepsake at all

[nova oar]

You need to keep doing runs until od is getting pissed in the tavern

[sharp brook]

He did that 30 nights ago and never again

[nova oar]

Have you been talking to him?

[sharp brook]

yeah, have the current max for hearts atm

[nova oar]

just keep trying then ig

[sharp brook]

game really does not want me to get this achievement lmao

[nova oar]

happens to alot of people

[sharp brook]

I just find it odd that I got Poly's and Circe's dialogue, but Scylla is pretending it's not there

[nova oar]

You need to get the quest dialogue before that happens

Or you need 10 fear, i don't remember

[sharp brook]

Well not sure, and certainly the internet has no clear answer on it

Because I have 27 fear on and no dice

[scenic gust]

Chaos random trial is a mini Telenovela where you can test how much Chaos hates you and throwing his voodoo sheit to ruin your run.

[sharp brook]

?

[nova oar]

My worst one was no strength or death, pain 3 and scars 2

Would've won if I wasn't on mel torches

[scenic gust]

almost winning with axe, then got throw in the White Antler

[nova oar]

Antler my beloved

[scenic gust]

Not with Axe, cursed item pair

[nova oar]

I always hope chaos picks it for the funny, makes whatever bossfight faster

[nova oar]

Yeah I hate axe but it's still fine

[worn barn]

I’m sensing the axe is much more controversial in the general public than it is in my mind 😅

[nova oar]

Outside of charon I hate it

[buoyant matrix]

funny weapon go smash

[worn barn]

Charon is very nice, I’m a fan of the Mel ax’s mostly for the starting attack power, and nergal is kinda funny but certainly not my favorite

it’s a slow weapon for sure - I’ve been leaning more into the specials lately

[buoyant matrix]

mel axe my beloved 🫀

[nova oar]

Mel axe is my least favourite aspect and it's not even close

[buoyant matrix]

☹️

[meager walrus]

Mel axe is pretty comfy

Nothing complicated just good ol fashioned honest gameplay

[covert badge]

Mel axe can be fast but holy hell
canceling animation every 0.3 sec just to make it fast feels like actual manual labor

[real scarab]

Used it for the prophecies and never touched again

[abstract depot]

You need thanatos or its borderline unusable

3rd combo hit smells despite the good damage cause i just end up hit by something on wind-up

[nova oar]

Not really

[abstract depot]

So its like 1-2-special and repeat always or omega moves

[nova oar]

For the normal attack? Sure

[meager walrus]

I would recommended never using attack 3 on any axe

Even on thanatos it is bad

[abstract depot]

Can we also say Umbral is flat broken

[nova oar]

Moros? Yeah

[meager walrus]

Just get used to special canceling at some point

[nova oar]

The others are fine as is

[meager walrus]

Most weapons are pretty good in this game.

[abstract depot]

all aspects are stupid good and i find it impossible to lose unless i troll boons and daedalus

[nova oar]

It's surprisingly well balanced

[meager walrus]

Torches are generally good, I do think supay needs some minor changes even though its fine power-wise and I do not like mel torches from a gameplay perspective, but the weapon as a whole is good

[abstract depot]

mel torch is god mode cause of the range you basically never get touched

[buoyant matrix]

way better than the first game

[nova oar]

Frrr

[nova oar]

It's a worse moros tho

[abstract depot]

I’ve not gotten moros yet cause [i think] i need adamant

[meager walrus]

Mel torches isn't bad it just has no meaningful niche

Which is the primary thing I dislike about it

Its probably too late for supergiant to rework the aspect at this point though

[real scarab]

Mel torches also can do special spam build tho

[balmy iris]

Question for high fear runners, what rank do you do vow of pain? I’m trying to work on that one little by little

[meager walrus]

This is mostly just worse eos

Which can do a similar build but you just get x2 special damage

[meager walrus]

I only have pain 1 turned on most of the time at 50

[pallid cradle]

I had it at max by 32 personally

[real scarab]

eos can't get hidden helix, and no need to omega attack spam while using Mel

[nova oar]

Goes on max at 60

Under that is personal preference

[meager walrus]

Pain is usually one of the last ones because it is quite hard and doesnt really require specific learning other than "play better so you dont get hit you dummy"

Whereas some other vows require more getting used to so you should enable them early if you want to climb fear

[balmy iris]

Ok because when I played hades 1 I usually had “enemies do more damage” turned on but I feel like it’s more difficult in this game

[meager walrus]

Its difficult in both games

Literally cuts the number of mistakes you can make in half

[nova oar]

Yeah it sucks regardless

[pallid cradle]

I feel the complete opposite. Mel has so many defensive tools vs what Zag had it makes it significantly easier to handle.

[balmy iris]

Zag had an actual shield

[meager walrus]

Define defensive tool

Because zag having two dashes and projectile destroy in the base kit is a BIG deal.

Mel cast is overpowered but I think is overall worse than both factors zag has.

The only mitigating factor is that most hades 1 weapons really want to use dash attack for dps, so managing your dashes was very important and if you did it poorly it was very unsafe.

[pallid cradle]

Armor. You can take a 999 hit with just 1 armor and your HP won't move at all.

She also has more aspects that can play at a range.

She also doesn't need to take a keepsake to be able to take free hits against bosses.

[meager walrus]

Hey acorn is straight up broken

Better than lovers even since 5 is a lot more than 3

[pallid cradle]

You're correct but the fact it's an arcana card in Hades 2 allows you to have lovers along side all the benefits of a keepsake like Lion's Fang or White Antler vs Chronos or Typhon.

Plus having armor to take hits for you after/if lovers runs out.

[buoyant matrix]

it's one of the preference vows where you can either start running it at like 20 fear or leave it for one of the last things you turn on around 60ish fear

[pallid cradle]

I am also living proof that Hades 2 is easier than Hades 1.

I did 32 Heat with 3 aspects in Hades 1 and I maxed at 45 with Rama.

I've done 24/24 aspects at 32 in Hades 2, I have 4 aspects at 40-45, and I've beaten 50 with 2. (Underworld anyway, I don't like the surface)

[cold lintel]

I find normal enemies/ mini bossies easy in hades 2

[sharp brook]

The Surface is always rough the first few times

[cold lintel]

But I find bosses in hades 1 too easy

[pallid cradle]

At low Fear the surface isn't horrible. Around 32 it's harder than Hades 1 imo tho

[sharp brook]

I can argue which game is more difficult, but imo it's based on personal experiences, some ppl find Hades 1 hard, others say it's easy and same for Hades 2 for both counts. For me they both have that sense of challenge that's balanced to me. some gameplay is a learning curve, but once you get it down, it's so fun to speed run through it

[meager walrus]

I think surface 32 is easier than hades 1 32

Im not sure where my personal breakpoint is but I think hades 1 32 heat is about comparable to like 40-45ish fear in hades 2 to me

[cold lintel]

Hades 2 has pets and lowkey they help alot

[sharp brook]

Personally I did 32 fear for Hades II in the underworld and proceeded to lose 16 times in a row, only managed to get it done on the 17th attempt

[cold lintel]

You lowkey also need good RNG too

Good god spawns etc

[sharp brook]

For me, I personally had very bad luck most times and I was unused to the speed buff I can give to enemies

[meager walrus]

You do not need good rng for 32 fear

If you are a top player rng probably doesnt start mattering significantly until the 50-60 range

I am not as good as the best high fear players and even i can win on 32 basically every time

[sharp brook]

Tbh, after 17 attempts for me, I don't want to do it again until I think I'm ready again

rn sitting on 27 fear, may move it up more later

[meager walrus]

Depends on what your goals are but if you want to climb fear its just slowly practicing and getting better

If you dont care about pushing past 32 though then just enjoy the game and be happy with what you've accomplished

[sharp brook]

already have like 110 nights under my belt, I want to get better at the game personally, eventually may go for a run with no hits

[pallid cradle]

40F is where my consistency seems to fall off.

[sharp brook]

or at least minimize damage

[meager walrus]

Targeted practice is helpful for climbing fear

Practice the vows you need to get used to, especially frenzy and rivals

[sharp brook]

What I struggle with is 3 things. Scylla and Cerb (Rivals) and Frenzy

[meager walrus]

Frenzy is just getting used to it

Takes a while but if you leave it on forever you will learn it

[pallid cradle]

I really do think frenzy is something people should turn on immediately and start adapting so it becomes your natural game speed. That's what I did in Hades 2. As soon as I unlocked the Vow system I had frenzy at max and haven't turned it down since.

[meager walrus]

Rivals fights you really need to study

Boated has a good video on patterns and what to do

Then after you have the knowledge you just need to grind out a bunch of runs to be able to execute

[sharp brook]

rn Descura is my main go to weapon, same with Lim and Oros

[pallid cradle]

Come to think of it, that means I have never done Rivals without frenzy

[sharp brook]

baller tbh, but for me, currently a skill issue

I get hit a lot, even with frenzy off because I mis read certain things

especially with something like Hecate's DARK SIDE

[meager walrus]

I did frenzy 0 to learn the rivals fights

Hard to sight read their attacks at frenzy 2 when you dont know what their attacks even do

[pallid cradle]

Oh I didn't and man before the nerf to the interaction between frenzy and rivals it was ROUGH

[meager walrus]

Afterwards I turned frenzy back on though

[sharp brook]

Scylla's fight just either can go smooth af or becomes a bullet hell. there is no in between

[pallid cradle]

Infact that nerf threw me off a little bit

[pallid cradle]

Idk if there's an optimal strat for that fight. There probably is.

I usually go for Roxy first, then the tentacles, then Jetty, then Scylla.

[meager walrus]

Boated has a good video on the fight

Its hard even with knowledge though

Its recommended to target a few tentacles first

[sharp brook]

it tends to be RNG based

[pallid cradle]

I can agree with that. Sometimes I'll go for the ones closest to Roxy and depending on aspect try to hit them at the same time.

[sharp brook]

that's legitimately the only boss fight you have to pray to be lucky in, because even if you have the best build in the game, you will get smashed

[meager walrus]

Its a skill issue
Though that fight is hard even for skilled players

If you watch someone like vyt play though you can see how the fight looks when someone who is very very good at the game plays

[sharp brook]

I'm very aware it can be a skill issue, I've only lost a few times, but damn those losses were infuriating

[craggy totem]

Weirdly enough, after watching a couple of VODs of high Fear runs, otherwise-no-Fear Rivals Scylla went from "impossible mode, just try to survive" to "huh this isn't so bad". I guess once you've seen how much worse it could be... 🤣

[little cipher]

She's that hard for everyone? I just thought my knife skills were bad...

[craggy totem]

I mean there is a lot going on with her

[sharp brook]

The one boss fight that genuinely caught me off was Typhon, but after fighting him 2 times more, he is an absolute cake walk

[buoyant matrix]

scylla is one of the harder unrivaled fights yes

[sharp brook]

like genuinely, Chronos and Typhon are easier fights than Scylla and Cerb in my experience lmao

[craggy totem]

Now IDK if I would agree with that as a matter of personal opinion

[sharp brook]

which is funny to me

[pallid cradle]

Tbh I'd be willing to say Scylla is harder than R4 Typhon

[meager walrus]

Cerb is the easiest underworld fight for me unless I choose to be stupid

[pallid cradle]

Cerb I disagree with tho. I think Rivals 3 surface is free

[sharp brook]

I personally haven't faced R4 Chronos and Typhon because the game is refusing to give me the incantation for R4 Vow of Rivals

[meager walrus]

You need the epilogue

[sharp brook]

I did accidentally restart the story in the fountain so damn me ig lmao

[pallid cradle]

If I beat Scylla on a rivals 3 run I'm winning that run 99% of the time and that 1% is because I chose Antler for Tart and played like a complete brainlet

[sharp brook]

I will not genuinely touch that keepsake with a 10 foot pole

[pallid cradle]

Oh I used to speedrun the game so that keepsake is in my top used

[sharp brook]

I prefer having Charon's keepsake hilariously enough

[pallid cradle]

The speedrun for this game at least with aspect of Medea is so fixed for keepsakes

Zeus -> Fig Leaf -> Athena -> Antler

[meager walrus]

Most of my deaths on 50f so far are to chronos

[sharp brook]

I will one day do higher fear runs when I think I'm ready

[raw patrol]

just realized jimbo voices prometheus, never gonna be able to unhear ben now

[meager walrus]

Honestly sirens is a reasonable fight for me even though I take a bunch of damage sometimes

Usually a 0-1 dd fight for me

[pallid cradle]

I am a strength user

[sharp brook]

I absolutely love Prometheus and his Boss Fight

[raw patrol]

i hate his fight the most lmao

[sharp brook]

it's one of the best imo. Badass character with a fitting fight to match

[craggy totem]

I accidentally screwed up my arcana when I was trying out rerolls the other day and deselected both Strength and Death lmao. Limping my way through fights like "why am I taking so much damage? why is everything taking so long to die?"

I didn't die but it felt like ass. Strength 5eva

[little cipher]

I'm about 60 nights in, and I'm just now getting used to Promy's attacks

[sharp brook]

"Legions of the Titan Lord, to me!"

[sharp brook]

I heard Athena's keepsake is good to run usually when not using Death Defiances

[craggy totem]

Nah, cos I'm also usually running FW and she breaks that

[sharp brook]

never personally used it properly

[craggy totem]

I did try it in that specific case because the intention was "try out a speedrun-style setup", but usually I'm never taking it

[sharp brook]

I do love the fact that the devs decided to give Athena, Artemis, and Demeter their own models in game rather than just portraits

[craggy totem]

But like the use case isn't "it's good if you're not using DDs", it's "you want Athena for a specific reason, and she only appears if you have no DDs (left)"

For the people running high Fear, they're fishing for her in order to get DD refills after they've run out iirc

And if I understand correctly, the speedrun thing is to use her to pause the timer

[hearty timber]

What does Athena even do in region 3

[craggy totem]

Pauses the timer.

[sharp brook]

and possibly give DD

[buoyant matrix]

she pauses the timer so if you get one of the big fields rooms you can look around the room freely before talking to her

[hearty timber]

I see the timer is useful af

[sharp brook]

I do love how when you pick Divine Dash, she'll say "That was your brother's favorite"

[buoyant matrix]

her boons were also giga busted throughout ea but she was nerfed every patch and now it's just the timer thing

[sharp brook]

hell yeah it was my favorite too in Hades I

[craggy totem]

At first I was like "oh sick what if you just leave her there and do the rest of the roo--" but apparently you can't start new encounters before talking to her. Boo.

Don't make me be polite to my aunt! :P

[sharp brook]

too be fair, her boons in the first game were strong as hell

[pallid cradle]

Was gonna answer but it seems I was beat to it.

[pallid cradle]

When speedrunning yes, you could argue for the average player it does nothing.

[sharp brook]

and Athena's boons has occasionally saved my runs in the game too

[balmy iris]

Wow I can’t believe if you don’t need regents and have fates whim active, narcissus just stops giving you things

[craggy totem]

No? He does have a storyline where he stops giving you things but that has nothing to do with reagents or FW

[balmy iris]

I’ve visited him twice and he isn’t giving me anything

[craggy totem]

Have you been skipping the dialogue

[balmy iris]

Mel did say that she doesn’t need the stuff from him anymore that’s why I thought he wasn’t giving me anything

[buoyant matrix]

that's a small story segment, lasts for ||5|| visits

[sharp brook]

does he actually stop giving you things?

Never got that to happen to me

[craggy totem]

You haven't gotten far enough, it's late in his story

[fickle drum]

How do I unlock testaments for the coat?

[craggy totem]

Have you played with the coat at all?

[fickle drum]

Yes

[balmy iris]

It should be automatically there

[fickle drum]

Well, it's not.

[craggy totem]

Screenshot, please?

[balmy iris]

Did you have a normal clear on either side with the coat?

[sharp brook]

I forged a bond with him and had him make peace with Echo, define far

[fickle drum]

I only had one normal clear period, which was with the axe

But the other weapons still have testaments.

[balmy iris]

Have you left the crossroads with the coat at least?

[fickle drum]

Yes

[sharp brook]

my brain is drawing a blank, what testaments

[craggy totem]

The bounties

[balmy iris]

It tells you how much fear you need to use to get nightmare and which boss gives it

[sharp brook]

oh that

[fickle drum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389224360138899456/1442917921482604735/Screenshot_2025-11-25_17-39-44.png?ex=69272d88&is=6925dc08&hm=d8a4ff5b14e7f7f7fa299bd95a840a20dca05a1a9f57781f835eab856ea3b2b9&

[balmy iris]

Skull isn’t there either, weird

[fickle drum]

Now that you mention it...

Is there a minimum depth you need to reach with it?

[sharp brook]

no

[fickle drum]

Then what?

[craggy totem]

Maybe you do need to clear, idk

[sharp brook]

@craggy totem also

[fickle drum]

But I didn't need to clear for the other weapons

[balmy iris]

Did you reach chronos with the torches

Not beat him but at least fight him?

[fickle drum]

No idea

I reached Chronos with the skull

[balmy iris]

What about staff?

[sharp brook]

Tbh, I did clear Chronos initially with the weapons, maybe they do pop up afterwards

[fickle drum]

Staff is available

[sharp brook]

try to clear Chronos

[fickle drum]

But I only defeated Chronos with the axe once.

Why would the other weapons be there?

[balmy iris]

Maybe they unlock in further testaments?

[sinful sable]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh, Fig Leaf stays after you change it? I just had it worked on next biome where i switched it off. And yes, he worked at the biome it was active and had zero uses left

[fickle drum]

I wonder why I keep running into weird issues nobody else seems to be having.

Oh

[sharp brook]

probably a glitch

[fickle drum]

I think I have an idea why it might be. Maybe the guy I need to kill for those two weapons I haven't seen yet.

[sharp brook]

try it

[craggy totem]

Yes, it stays after you switch off. It is not a glitch. That's just how it works.

[sinful sable]

but it had 0 uses left

[craggy totem]

It can get upgraded to work in up to three biomes, so

Not to mention I think there is an Echo blessing that can keep it?

[sinful sable]

oh so it probably upgraded and got it use on the next biome then.

[sharp brook]

yes there is. Also Calier, you didn't answer my question lmao

[craggy totem]

What question

[sharp brook]

this one

[craggy totem]

Pretty far, I didn't get to that part of the story until quite a while after I finished the epilogue

[sharp brook]

Hm interesting, I'm still trying to complete the story again because I used the fountain out of curiosity, the warning message apparently wasn't enough of a warning lmao

[pallid cradle]

I thought it would just put you back to the last few nights. I'm kinda glad I didn't touch that fountain now

[brittle summit]

wow i expected chronos would have a second phase but dont expect this drastic change lol

[sharp brook]

yeah, I thought that too

[sharp brook]

first time fighting him?

[brittle summit]

i met his first phase third time now

[craggy totem]

It's very specific about how far back it puts you I'm pretty sure

[sharp brook]

three... two... ONE

[brittle summit]

his first phase attacks are quite fast and i can barely dodge those

[sharp brook]

Tbh they're easy to dodge after a bit

[sacred folio]

Since all the other chats are dead, i wanted to ask if Hades is a good game for people who have never played a rogue like before?

[pallid cradle]

Phase 1 is the warmup

[brittle summit]

im using the staff is the problem. he precisely attacking my range lmao.

as a melee weapon its a bit easier but the followers become annoying

[floral burrow]

Yes I feel like with God mode and the open community you'll have a great time.

[sharp brook]

I recommend you play the first game, but yes, both games are fun, but you have to try them out for your own sake to get an understanding if you like it or not

[sacred folio]

Yes i was talking about the first game but all the hades 1 channels are dead😭

[pallid cradle]

Yes. Tbh it's either the best one or worst one depending on how you look at it.

It is the game in the genre where you can control your RNG the best probably

[sharp brook]

especially since you never played a Rogue like. Play the First Game

[brittle summit]

imo hades 1 feels more grindy than hades 2. even i would say they both have a ton of permanent upgrades, hades2 plot makes more sense to me so it feels not that repetitive

[sharp brook]

Hades 1 made no sense to ya? how so?

[sacred folio]

Alright thank you guys!

[sharp brook]

if you like the genre, you can try other games of the same category as well like Dead Cells, great game that one is as well

[brittle summit]

in hades 1 i feel like the plot is like stepped. while in hades 2 every single run i have a bit more unlocked and a bit more info, its more smoothly distributed imo

[sharp brook]

To be fair, the whole point of the plot was getting the family back together again, nothing too major, but honestly very compelling in its own right

[pallid cradle]

Have a Nice Death is a personal guilty pleasure but runs are looooong

[floral burrow]

Dead cells is great but I feel it's a really big step in difficulty. I loved it because I like smashing my head into a brick wall and winning through force. But I don't know if it's a good first

[sharp brook]

well I'm saying after he plays Hades I and likes Rogue Likes, the option is there

[pallid cradle]

Yanno what, play Balatro. Time to develop an addiction

[floral burrow]

Fair

[sharp brook]

Personally I love Dead Cells, but damn it can be just as punishing, especially when trying to do achievements with no hit runs

[brittle summit]

dead cells is actually surprisingly not as hard as it looks like i will say

[pallid cradle]

BC3 imo is when the difficulty starts punching

[brittle summit]

again if you dont like melee you can always play some ranged nonsense with 30 purple and smash everyone

[sharp brook]

I need to continue with Dead Cells, but after I finish Hades II I'm going back to the PS5 to finish up some other stuff

Because yeah, achievement hunting

[brittle summit]

but its similar to hades, dead cells also have these never ending upgrades

[pallid cradle]

I've been playing a game lately that idk if I love it or hate it yet

[sharp brook]

which game lmao

[pallid cradle]

Achilles Legends Untold

[sharp brook]

never played, but heard it's good

[pallid cradle]

The story is pretty good but idk if I just chose something broken as my first build because the combat is not that satisfying but I'm destroying everything first try

[sharp brook]

Most likely got lucky first build lmao

[pallid cradle]

Probably

[sharp brook]

personally I have WAY too many games to play and complete and some idk if I can complete

[pallid cradle]

I stopped achievement hunting. I do have 7 perfect games on Steam tho

[floral burrow]

What games don't you think you'll be able to complete?

[pallid cradle]

(Hades 2 is one of them)

[sharp brook]

because rn I'm sitting on 12 Perfected Games on steam and 16 Plats on PS

[pallid cradle]

My hardest perfect was probably Nioh 2

[floral burrow]

Really? I can't think of anything super brick walling

[sharp brook]

namely games like Halo MCC because my god Playing LASO Halo 2 makes me wanna kms

and no one wants to help me out with it and suffer with me lmao

[floral burrow]

That's fair. I've never been into halo but if you aren't having fun no reason to finish

[pallid cradle]

It was mainly the fact some of the achievements require NG+ or even further even tho Nioh 2 is designed for you to wanna push through the difficulties

[sharp brook]

and the skulls. the one in Halo 2 with the buildings took me and another guy 4 maybe 5 hours to get

[pallid cradle]

LASO in general is hell in Halo

[sharp brook]

Some games are easier than others. Halo 4, Reach, and Infinite are hilariously easy compared to 2 or 1

[sharp brook]

also currently for MCC, sitting on 552/700 achievements

[floral burrow]

Thinking about it I think I only have 3 games completed dark souls 1 3 and Elden ring. I tend to play until I don't want to anymore and then move on. So I have 4 playthroughs of silk song but I only have the hunters achievement left. Just because I can't be bothered to track everything down and kill it again

[pallid cradle]

Gang did you just say 700 achievements? The only game I know with a higher total is Isaac

[floral burrow]

It is 7 or 8 games in one collection

[pallid cradle]

At least MCC is what? 4 games?

[sharp brook]

Reach, 1, 2, 3, ODST, and 4

[pallid cradle]

I forgot it included Reach

[floral burrow]

Ah I was off. I thought 5 and 6 were part of that

[sharp brook]

I can show some of the achievements I have, but I can't share Screenshots in here

[pallid cradle]

they could've left out 4.

We could've remembered Halo for before 343.

[sharp brook]

4 was my first Halo game, I will not take that slander

[pallid cradle]

Halo 3 imo is a perfect game.

[sharp brook]

it was a good game too. Halo 5 cheapened it's impact sadly

[pallid cradle]

Halo 5 is the pinnacle of false advertisements for gaming imo.

"Chief vs Locke"

They fight one time and it's not even close no matter how people try to argue Locke held his own

[sharp brook]

His Armor honestly did carry him, but that's lore talk not related to this channel lmao

But to be brief, Locke did hold his own purely due to his armor. The Spartans at that time were all updated to be in the same armor Gen. Gen 2 MJOLNIR armor

So Spartan IVs were at the same strength level as Spartan IIs, there's logic to that

[glass echo]

i need help with hypnos waking up

what i need help with is that i did my first hypnos quest before update and i have no the thing that i need to gift hypnos

i literally %100 ed all achiviments still dont got it like dont tell me to make new save

[sharp brook]

you have to gift him incense that is done through incantations. talk to Medea about it on the surface and she'll give you the quests

[glass echo]

i did but nope i cant get it

i cant even speak to him anymore

[sharp brook]

Medea. talk to Medea

for the incantations

[twin mauve]

is there plans for hard mode

[glass echo]

i did.

[sharp brook]

are you at post game?

@glass echo

[glass echo]

wdym post game

yeah umm i did the true ending

[sharp brook]

did you beat Chronos and restored Hades to power

[sinful sable]

Hmm. Well, i've got my second statue on and i still dont have the reset the seed button on the night's champion obelisk

[glass echo]

yep

[sharp brook]

Talk to Hades and get yourself Soot

[glass echo]

i did

[sharp brook]

well if you haven't woken him up yet that means you haven't done the 3rd incantation yet

[pallid cradle]

speaking of MCC. It's $10 on Steam for 6 games. Damn

[sharp brook]

buy it. it's worth lmao

[glass echo]

i mean i need the sleep thing for gift right

after i talk to hypnos in first incantation but i dont got it its gone

[pallid cradle]

Yes you need the sleep thing to interact with hypnos further

[sharp brook]

yes, you make the incense through the cauldron and bring it to Hypnos to talk and wake him up

[glass echo]

i did the first incantation and hypnos gives me second one to gift him again right but i dont have it

[sharp brook]

so you're on the 2nd one?

[glass echo]

yep

[sharp brook]

yeah if you haven't already, you need to keep talking to Medea for her to bring up the Incantation for the 2nd thing and 3rd thing

[glass echo]

alright lemme try again

[sharp brook]

that way you can do it a 2nd and 3rd time (3rd time is post game)

3rd incantation will require Soot, which is only available from Hades in post game

[craggy totem]

Spoilers

[dapper stratus]

Do you think of a hard mode as different from just ramping fear up a ton?

Because I am finding plenty of challenge by just putting a bunch of fear on. A bunch is obviously subjective to the player, but it feels like most people are able to find an amount that challenges them in a satisfying way

[craggy totem]

Clear 67F all aspects 😎

[twin mauve]

hell mode from the first game/additional vows

[twin mauve]

someone will do it eventually

[fickle drum]

And once again I died to a miniboss at olympus.

I will never beat this game.

[little cipher]

You'll get there. It just takes practice...and a lot of tenacity

[devout cairn]

cool just saw that Prometheus won best design in the Hades 2 awards thingy, I guess you guys beat the mortalphobia allegations

[fickle drum]

Idk, I'm already way over 50 nights in.

[little cipher]

What your approach to fighting? Maybe there's something that needs adjusting

[median plinth]

took me 40 after doing 23 at a friend's house

[craggy totem]

Fifty nights isn't that much lol. It took me like forty nights just to clear the Underworld for the first time.

[little cipher]

Really? It took me 22 nights to beat underworld. Maybe I'm doing better than I thought, but I played the first game and I'm a quick learner, so who knows?

[balmy iris]

After replaying the game twice, it took me less than 70 to beat the main story

So it’s a lot of adaptability

In total I’ve probably done over 300 nights across my save files

[little cipher]

Regardless of how many tries it takes, remember this: every time you play a run, you learn something new. It's just a question of how many times it takes to learn enough to win

[balmy iris]

Honestly I still can’t win against typhon without getting hit by a ton of things and running out of DDs

[meager walrus]

I would recommend learning how not to take damage first

You first need to know how to recognize all possible enemy attacks instantly

This isn't actually that hard because most generic enemies have only 1-2 moves

Afterwards start actually developing ideas on how to avoid those attacks

[balmy iris]

iframes will save your life

[meager walrus]

Think about it, maybe watch some footage of a top player, etc.

[little cipher]

Honestly, everyone has some weak spot in the game, I think. Personally, I'm awful with the knife weapon

[meager walrus]

Then once you have those you start doing runs trying to implement your ideas

That's necessary to develop muscle memory

[balmy iris]

I feel like I want to try a white antler with armor build because I’m still working on timing my dodges but I’ve heard that antler is just really good

[little cipher]

Antler is good if you don't get hit. High risk, high reward, I guess

[little frost]

antler is awesome

[balmy iris]

I want to say Eris bell is like that too but it’s more increasing risk, but increasing reward

[limpid oar]

Eris bell is bad for lore reasons chat, trust

[little cipher]

I'm too scared to use either of those

[balmy iris]

I don’t use Eris bell, I hate it actually

[crude dragon]

Or if you stack up a bunch of free hits

[tender oracle]

with an armor build white antler becomes a lot safer and more damaging too
however it comes with the issue of needing to actually build up armor first

[crude dragon]

Lovers barriers, Nitro Boost barriers, Snow Queen, Trusty Shield, etc

[craggy totem]

The thing about Antler is that it's a one-region thing and you don't need to take an entire run to slowly build up a noticeable benefit.

[median plinth]

they should give you bell-like effect for a vow

[tender oracle]

that's called vow of pain

[balmy iris]

Is red silk dress the same as Eris bell but at a specific %? I don’t remember exactly

[craggy totem]

No, because it doesn't make you take more damage :P

[flat nymph]

It doesn't increase your damage taken

[balmy iris]

Thank god

[tender oracle]

yknow bell is just worse pierced butterfly huh

[craggy totem]

Pierced Butterfly's bratty little sister (literal)

[balmy iris]

Ok but what about Achilles keepsake, that wasn’t great either

[craggy totem]

*regardless of their actual existence order, Eris chose bratty little sister as her vibe

[balmy iris]

Because she’s immature?

[craggy totem]

I think in a way 'immaturity' implies the existence of maturity, which for immortal anthropomorphic personifications is a bit orthogonal

[balmy iris]

Nem is mature, Eris is not

[craggy totem]

But she embodies Strife in a very particular way :P

[tender oracle]

i compared it to pierced butterfly specifically because they're both keepsakes that slowly ramp up your damage output while punishing you for taking damage
but the way they punish you is different

[craggy totem]

Yeah, if you piss off Thanatos, he just goes off to sulk in a huff

[little cipher]

But there's much less risk with butterfly. Just don't get the bonus for that room

[tender oracle]

exactly! which is why bell is worse

[balmy iris]

IMO Apollo is more mature than Poseidon when it comes to choosing someone else’s boon first and they are far apart in age

[tender oracle]

apollo's just a little ball of sunshine
(almost literally)

i'm sad chaos trials just make the npcs give generic dialogue
moros is taking forever to get to the dialogue to earn his trust even though i've long since met the condition for it

[grizzled oar]

@sly elk pls port hades 2 to ps5

[craggy totem]

Why do you think the head writer is in charge of porting or business deals lmao

[cosmic ferry]

is the hades 2 co-op mod out yet or no I saw a reddit post saying it was worked on but I can't find anything else about it

[grizzled oar]

idk how businesses work

[midnight moss]

Does levelling up an aspect also boost its base damages or just its special features?

[craggy totem]

Only its special feature.

[hearty timber]

Yus

[crude dragon]

Only the bonus listed on the card

Which, in some cases, is base damage

[opaque bison]

When do folks feel that the game “gets hard”? I’ve cleared a couple underworlds on 46f and 47f and I think that’s my absolute peak, but I think the game starts to get unforgiving around fear 40.

[abstract depot]

I’m only on fear 3 so far 💔

[foggy sable]

how am I almost always right when I think "this room gives off athena vibes"

[inland plume]

its usually longer and more enemies i think

thats how i usually tell cuz im like wtf this is a lot 😭

[inland plume]

whenever you start using pain imo(which was around 55 fear for me)

and void

[foggy sable]

air quality has to be the funniest thing

also how did I just get 2 duo boons in a row lol

[tender oracle]

queen gaming?

[foggy sable]

yeah lol, im not lucky enough to pull smth like that off otherwise

honestly the aspect of persephone works great with zeus, which is kind of funny

[foggy sable]

I love leaving, and seeing that I forgot to unequip knucklebones

[merry wave]

Man I just unlocked Skelly's second statue but 32 fear is kicking my ass hard. I'm feeling kinda done with Hades 2 so I dunno if I should strive for this

[foggy sable]

ooo I get to fight chronos for the testament for the first time

[merry wave]

Also playing a few runs on +40% enemy speed and then turning it off feels really weird lol

[storm glen]

never turn it off

[storm glen]

whats your vow loadout

[foggy sable]

||am I allowed to have 2 old grudges?||

[sharp brook]

unfortunately not a lot of ppl know how proper business works

[foggy sable]

oh shoot the ding dings count for persephone

[limpid oar]

LMAO they actually just pinged greg, i respect that

[sharp brook]

I don't think Greg can chant an incantation for a port to exist lmao

[merry wave]

Damage 1 (1 💀)
HP 2 (2 💀)
Speed 2 (6 💀)
Hordes 1 (1 💀)
Menace 2 (3 💀)
Return 2 (2 💀)
Perks 2 (5 💀)
Healing 1 (1 💀)
Debt 1 (1 💀)
Forfeit (3 💀)
Time (1 💀)
Void 2 (2 💀)
Hubris 2 (2 💀)
Denial (2 💀)

[limpid oar]

he's got a "release PS5" button on his desk that he's just refusing to press, good on navu to chase this up

[sharp brook]

Also my respect to Darren for the amazing OST once again

been listening to it non stop since release

[merry wave]

I usually have time to spare but playing on time 2 causes me to play recklessly and lose

[sharp brook]

I don't recommend turning that one on at all

even in high fear runs

[limpid oar]

in high fear runs we don't exactly have a choice

or wait were you talking about void

[limpid oar]

WHAT WHY IS VOID 2 THERE

[sharp brook]

Time

[merry wave]

Judgement and then I just pray that it comes together

[limpid oar]

you could take timer 2 + a proper arcana layout for void, since a lot of the timer issues on Underworld are front-loaded, you're really making it way harder than it needs to be by playing by starting Erebus with barely any arcana

[merry wave]

Well that means I need to add one more vow level somewhere

Unless if you mean I should play with 60% arcana and not 40%

[limpid oar]

you should play with 100% arcana and no void, -2 void +2 timer

[merry wave]

Ah right, that thing is worth +2

[foggy sable]

why did nobody mention that I didn't actually need to bring the amulet to arachne yet /j

im tempted to restart my run so I can have a better keepsake

I just took out that one stabby warden in erebus in a second or so

well closer to 2 but still

[stiff burrow]

Yes greater chaos please start me with another Selene boon

[balmy iris]

Are you saying that you’re not supposed to use judgement for void 2

[limpid oar]

I am saying you're not supposed to play void 2 below 64 fear

[meager walrus]

65

[limpid oar]

void 3 is 65, you can play void 2 at 64

[meager walrus]

O I am stupid

[limpid oar]

not that many people play 64, fair mistake to make to be fair

[balmy iris]

Ok so vow of pain and void are last resort

[limpid oar]

idk if theres a single 64 this patch?

[balmy iris]

Weird because I’ve been able to do runs with void 2 because I don’t want to do rivals

[rustic basin]

Should I try it lmao

Could be fun with a Coat or Skull

[limpid oar]

you can do void 2 judgement runs if you want to, but that still very much is a challenge run

[balmy iris]

Wait was there a recent patch?

[limpid oar]

i think most recent was the post-release patch

[storm glen]

turn off void 2 and forfeit bruh this is hell

[sharp brook]

What I was saying that Time is the one vow to avoid

[balmy iris]

Time gives you either anxiety or adrenaline

[storm glen]

time is not the vow to avoid

if the timer is affecting you psychologically literally cover it up with tape

[limpid oar]

you can't avoid time on high fear

[sharp brook]

I'd personally take void over time

[devout cairn]

unhinged

[storm glen]

genuinely just tape over it then its free fear

[thin laurel]

the only reason to avoid Time is if you personally hate time pressure with a burning passion. especially at low fear time is borderline free—time 2 is genuinely free even for slow players with like. minimal awareness of when to pause timer

time 3 is in theory free but ik that isn’t true for everyone, even if it can be with a lil effort

[devout cairn]

but idk if you are talking high fear, if this is low fear that's the wild west and you can do whatever you want

[storm glen]

"in theory free" so it isnt free 💔💔

pain is in theory free if you just dont take damage rofl

[limpid oar]

timer is free, it just makes you take 5 damage per second

[storm glen]

typhon has like 60,000 health 5 damage per second is nothing

[devout cairn]

67f in theory is free

[thin laurel]

time 3 at low fear is free if you aren’t the sort of player whose strategy for bosses is “the boss fight is 5+ minutes so I can carefully dodge”
which I think is a more niche scenario than “people who get hit with pain on” lol

[limpid oar]

pain will add more overall damage taken to a run than timer 3 and going overtime

[storm glen]

i think you overestimate how fast the average player goes

[sharp brook]

talking high fear here. Genuinely one of my least favorites vows

[devout cairn]

how high 🐴

[storm glen]

🐴

[sharp brook]

40+

[storm glen]

how much time do you actually finish runs in