h2-discussion

[wise ledge]

Did you see the original ending, or only the patch?

[sage hound]

I only started playing the game several days ago

[pearl hornet]

they didnt actually have a specific ending in mind when making the story so it lacked cohesion and foreshadowing i think

[wise ledge]

Then why do you ask for the ending spoilers )

[red fox]

Original is ||you give zag the spear to kill gramp, then next screen zag telling you gramps is good now then mel go wtf??? And so does player||

[sage hound]

because I got to the ending?

[pearl hornet]

thats so fast goodness

[red fox]

Out of nowhere

[oblique hemlock]

for me it just felt unsatisfying, i really wanted ||the resolution of mel joining her family in the underworld|| which never happened

[red fox]

New one add more scene in between to smooth out the ending

[tender oracle]

mhm
the post-patch ending gives it a lot more buildup and actually ||has mel agree to zag's plan in the first place||

[covert badge]

||hecate melting down over mel moment|| is also great, it makes so much sense that ||she'd be pissed off||

[red fox]

Btw old one also have ||no one expect zag and gramp has alt memory so it was more wtf||

[oblique hemlock]

i also don’t find it super believable that ||everyone is ok with chronos becoming an ally, even though they’re suspicious about it i think it should have taken a lot more time for everyone to trust him||

i don’t HATE the ending i just wish it had more… substance??

[sage hound]

ok yeah no wonder I was confused, so I played the post patch ending, with the alternate reality lives and everything

[pearl hornet]

the alt reality stuff was confusing to me

[sage hound]

is there a "true ending" to the game or something of that sort? or is that the epilogue?

[red fox]

Only epilogue left

[wise ledge]

Oh, ok. You got quick.
Anyway, in the original ending ||instead of Mel proposing that Zag could try resolving this mess peacefully, the intention was to kill Chronos all the way. And then Zag just decides not to. So essentially the most pivotal point was taken away from the protagonist. There was also way less lines talking about family, about why Chronos is doing this, etc. And Mel didn't get any memories of the alt timeline. So essentially she was raised as a soldier, with only the task on her mind, made all preparations to kill Chronos, Zag agreed, and then suddenly Zag doesn't kill Chronos, Mel decides not to finish him also, despite not having any alt memories, just... Because Zag said so and Chronos is acting weird? Not a thought that it could be a trick, no. Just "oh ok we are cool now then".||

[oblique hemlock]

yeah the revision is a big improvement. props to sgg are in order

[stable flame]

Love getting the first killed enemy returns thing vs Typhon. Especially when the eggs spawn minibosses and I get a big chunky boar to eat Chronos' orb things on unrivaled typhon lmao

[dusky yew]

about Cerberus after you beat the game: ||is it ever explained why after you beat the game Cerberus still appears corrupted? He already has a home and free family, why is he still abandoned like that? It would be awesome if instead he starts appearing as his regular self and you fight him as a way of him playing with you. It would be really cool and it would solve the issue. Because it really doesn't make sense that you still fight a corrupted version of him||

[nimble kernel]

i so hate the hour glasses in chronos

[flint sail]

godsent hera goes BRRRRR

[tender oracle]

i think it's explained as ||ceeberus play-fighting something about him rolling in the miasma before the fight too||

[stable flame]

In this case, was apollo/hera duo boon but yeah, that one's great too. Or both

[fluid kernel]

There is a line about ||cerberus playing in the field so i assume he just got covered by whatever he is covered on as infernal cerberus whilst playing in the field||

[sudden harness]

is it weird i find rivals eris easier than normal eris?

[raw kraken]

||Feels kinda unsatisfying for mel to just… not reunite with her family really? Idk why she can’t just fix the crossroads from the house, maybe epilouge resolves it||

[sudden harness]

imo i dont think the epilogue does anything to resolve that

[wise ledge]

If anything, epilogue only adds more questions lol

[plain shale]

Finally hades 2 ost is on Apple Music

[raw kraken]

The ending was cool and all but it just doesn’t resolve enough and up above feels just anticlimactic, unbecoming of the rest of the game

[sudden harness]

its less a closer for the game and more an implication for the future of the Hades universe/franchise. possibly hinting that there will never be another Hades installment as we have come to know it (unless they focus on different characters in the same universe like a spinoff)

[raw kraken]

I wonder if they’d ever do a dlc for this game

[sudden harness]

that would be so sick, i think itd be really cool to have the dlc place melinoe back at the house of Hades with an updated design, more character interactions with all the older characters and maybe a pathway from the house to the woods?

[cunning adder]

Was charybdis removed? Just realized I haven't seen him since I started playing again

[sudden harness]

no its just less common for her to show up

[craggy totem]

If you would like to see her* again, there is one simple step 👀 👀

*Charybdis was a nymph before she got cursed!

[cunning adder]

One simple step?

[raw kraken]

||maybe add like a playable zag mode, have mel be moved into the house of hades after finishing the crossroads, maybe add some mini quests with the rest of the cast||

[craggy totem]

It's a bit of a spoiler (though not for the main story) -- ||a certain difficulty modifier can enable your guaranteed re-encounter :)|| @cunning adder

[fluid kernel]

||zag mode would be kinda boring tho with only gigaros||

[jolly hound]

I know vow of return isn’t that spicy but why does it annoy me so much

[craggy totem]

Return blob: deliberately lands in the exact middle of a terrain hazard

[red fox]

Chase a green soul then watch it fall into abyss

[storm glen]

it used to be worse@!

[cunning adder]

Oh yea.

[vagrant urchin]

Could someone explain to me how secret crush works, I found an epic one but I don't think it would be any helpful with zorophet (nergal). It's between this and another boon I don't really want.

[craggy totem]

What are you confused about?

[vagrant urchin]

I'm asking if their is any property about power that isn't as direct as I think it is

[storm glen]

no its exactly what you thinj

[covert badge]

secret crush is really good on % dmg build because it provides power

[storm glen]

and you are right its bad on nergal bc the base damage is already so high

[novel cape]

Secret Crush is basically adding base damage to your attack, which then gets multiplied by whatever boons/upgrades you have

[oblique hemlock]

i agree w this, i know there’s are voice lines that explain it but ||why would he go back to the fields if they’re such a miserable place? like he was in an awful state before, it doesn’t make sense for him to return of his own volition||

[vagrant urchin]

Forgot to add spoilers sorry

[storm glen]

see thats a good explanation but the game shows you none of it

he looks and acts the exact same tormented or not

[tender oracle]

i guess he just enjoys the routine
just like a lot of other bosses

[storm glen]

its similar to the zag meg thing but meg actually says words and expresses herself beyond dog.mp3

[tender oracle]

ok idk if this is a hot take or not
i enjoy literally all of hades 2's regions better than all of hades 1's

[storm glen]

yea thats fair hades 1's regions are bland in comparison

[vagrant urchin]

I do agree with that

[oblique hemlock]

i love the music in hades 2 so very much

[hearty idol]

yea i prefer hades 2 regions, i hate elysium

[oblique hemlock]

better than h1 i think

[tender oracle]

i don't think it's a hot take that elysium is the worst region in the duology

[storm glen]

i think the combat in hades 2 is much more clearly communicated which makes everything around it feel better

[oblique hemlock]

darren korb is a musical mastermind and everything he touches is beautiful

[tender oracle]

i also generally like hades 2's music better than hades 1
probably because it has a much better variety

[rose magnet]

Elysium literally got me to stop playing Hades 1

[hearty idol]

Medea theme goes hard

[storm glen]

i think the icarus theme uniquely sucks ass but thats about it

[tender oracle]

TRUE

[tender oracle]

FALSE

[storm glen]

its so empty

[vagrant urchin]

I don't know why I hate Elysium so much. It looks like what Elysium should look like and I don't find the enemies particularly annoying, maybe it's just theseus.

I think I just hate theseus

[rose magnet]

losing to Tight Deadline in Elysium because you aren't killing the jerks there fast enough was awful

[storm glen]

its because elysium is a goddamn drag that takes up half your run

[tender oracle]

elysium is pretty and the music is good, just like any other region
but i do just really hate literally every single enemy in it, boss included

[oblique hemlock]

butterfly ball can kick rocks

[tender oracle]

except solo asterius. the one fight i actually like in elysium

[storm glen]

its got the worst pacing in the duology by far

[vagrant urchin]

I don't play timed so I don't get bogged down by that much

[meager elk]

I hated those shield guys back in h1 and now i hate the shield satyrs here in h2

[rose magnet]

ranged enemies that snipe you from across the entire screen? ✅
enemies that block all of your attacks? ✅
they turn into stupid little collectables so you have to kill them twice? ✅

[tender oracle]

eyup
i always hate shielded enemies

[broken creek]

Fresh file h1 made me have to learn elysium and the sword guys are the worst imo

[vagrant urchin]

Oh yea, I hate those guys. Thanks for reminding me about them

[storm glen]

and zagreus stops actually getting stronger at the end of asphodel so its not like anything progresses like olympus ( a similar area) its just mindless fighting of enemied that either bum rush you or spawn adds endlessly or shoot you across the map with arrows that hitstun for 5 years

[broken creek]

Since they can just decide to hit you with an unreactable attack ignoring your attack staggering

[tender oracle]

the warden butterfly ball is contender for least favorite fight in the duology ngl

[hearty idol]

everytime i play Hades, Elysium makes me regret running high heat

[broken creek]

Literally no other enemy in the game could do that

[hearty idol]

thankfully i dont have that kind of feeling in H2 on any regions, Olympus is not even that bad

[broken creek]

Its the funniest dps check ever tbh

[storm glen]

olympus is pretty great because you actually get much stronger over the course of it

[rose magnet]

Olympus is good. My least favorite area in Hades 2 is probably, idk, Rift of Thessaly? Nothing is actually annoying though

[storm glen]

there aren't enough good boons in hades 1 to justify elysium being half of ur run

[broken creek]

High fear made me hate Olympus with a passion

[crude dragon]

I hate Brightshields
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[rare tendon]

truth nuke

[covert badge]

you get second hammer in elysium tho?

[oblique hemlock]

i really love what they did with the fields. having it be so big was really fresh, considering every other region in both games has encounters in self-contained little rooms. when i got there for the first time i really got the sense of how expansive and desolate it was. v impactful

[tender oracle]

agreed
i like every single one of hades 2's regions
olympus has my least favorite enemies but it makes up for it with one of my favorite bosses and my favorite non-vocal track in the entire game

[storm glen]

yeah in the first chamber of elysium and then you get nothing

[crude dragon]

Don't you also get your second Hermes boon in Elysium?

[storm glen]

theres no infusions most duos are terrible theres less global dmg to go around

[crude dragon]

Granted, that's about it except for any Duos or Legendaries you're still missing, but y'know

[storm glen]

not always its fairly likely to get boht in asphodel

also hermes doesnt give you damage unless you roll hyper deligery

[tender oracle]

yeah there's another thing about hades 1
the boons often feel less impactful than in hades 2
although in hades 2 the poms feel less impactful than hades 1 so

[storm glen]

hades 1 poms were worse idk what ir on about

did nobody remember pomming a % atk boon past level 3 and seeing some comically low increase like 4%

[rare tendon]

it's been years since I played hades 1 tbh but, I feel like the regions are definitely one of the best parts of the like improvement hades 2 did on the first game

like im ngl i never particularly loved any of the regions in hades 1, h2 is completely the opposite for me and having two distinct routes definitely helps in things not getting too stale

like on my first run through the story the surface might as well have been it's own game to me cause I was HOOKED

Hades 1, regions sort of felt like homework to me at a certain point, esp Elysium which I remember never liking that much

[rare tendon]

I completely forgot about that LMAO

I remember straight up avoiding poms in h1 at a certain point, maybe that's why I did it, again been a while so I can't recall exactly

[rare tendon]

REAL

[nimble torrent]

Who gives you the boon that recovers Magick everytime you attack??

[vagrant urchin]

Hestia

[nimble torrent]

thx

[vagrant urchin]

Fairly certain your talking about cardio gain

[dusky yew]

that's how life is, it's expected tbh

[nimble torrent]

yup

[dusky yew]

exactly! Would it be possible for any developers to read and give some feedback on this? lol it's really the first time I have something to complain lore-wise

[rotund hearth]

First run with vow of rivals. Stupidly accepted infernal contract and stupid chaos boon. Zagreus wasted my health and rivals Hecate finished me off

10/10 would recommend

[dusky yew]

same, it's out of this world

[dusky yew]

this is so real......

[oblique hemlock]

i was listening to it all day today

just amazing, every bit of it

[tender oracle]

taking the infernal contract in erebus is crazy

[oblique hemlock]

tbf that’s what i did the first time i saw it. “this is probably gonna lead to a really difficult fight or something”

brother it sure does

[tender oracle]

i also did the first time and regretted it afterwards
never again

[oblique hemlock]

for real lol, i got smoked

[rotund hearth]

What??????

Winged apprentice is so chill and sweet just like him

[rare tendon]

Polyphemus got the better flute, just put the boons in the bag tbh for icarus /j

[rotund hearth]

Echo's theme is actually my favourite

It's the music I have playing in the background when I'm in the crossroads

[rare tendon]

echo isn't bad, like hers a lot, it's comforting given how oppressive mourning fields sounds

[rare tendon]

fair fair, haven't messed around with that too much yet

[hollow stratus]

ten times victory screen means 10th clear right

[nova oar]

There's one for 50 and 100 top

[hollow stratus]

i assume this counter is cumulative between surface and underground

[nova oar]

Nope, they're separate

[hollow stratus]

oh wow

[nova oar]

I got my 100th clear for uw and 50th for surface a while back so they're definitely surface

[flint sail]

badum tsss

[sturdy swallow]

why is rivals prometheus actually easier than normal prometheus. ||he's normally so hard to read but having heracles there makes me space better and actually use my brain and therefore get hit less. ||

[restive pasture]

Meanwhile me taking more damage from them than typhon

[nimble torrent]

They should say which boons comes from whom in the Boons Info..

Boons with fire logo can be from Zeus ?

queens ransom tells me i'll give up all zeus Boons.. dunno which one are zeus, cuz they dont tells us specifically in the Info.

[restive pasture]

Aren't they all color coded? If it involves Blitz or Lightning Bolts, it's Zeus

[broken creek]

Insane opinion

Also insane reasoning fr went "rivals makes me focus more so its easier" like dawg 😭

[hearty idol]

so like Rivals makes you Locked tf in

[broken creek]

Rivals prom id argue is one of the harder bosses, not like scylla or chronos lvl but close

Since if you space wrong, misstime, or struggle to see visual queues with how cluttered the screen can get you'll eat like a 30 damage hit not counting pain

With pain they'll just kill you

[little frost]

yeah so like every gods boons have like 1 color palette and have symbols that also reflect their vibes
zeus has yellow lightning, hestia has red and orange flames, demeter has blue and white ice shards, ect ect, also if you have the codex after gifting the boon givers you can just view their boons there too

or just like press queens ransom and see what happens

[crude dragon]

All of Zeus's boons are air element (Aphro, Hera, Apollo, and Hermes also have air). Also, all of Zeus's boons have some sort of yellow, electric splash art

[thorn badge]

running strength

[crude dragon]

Hello, it is I

[thorn badge]

circle turned on death defiances i was cooked af

[crude dragon]

Circe's just showing you what you're gonna be doing on Jpom runs if you wanna keep Queen

[thorn badge]

i just cant play with dds anymore i feel like i'm doing too little damage

[cedar ledge]

There is a voice line of melinoes ||after beating him along the lines of "You must just like the excuse to play (their fight) huh?"||

[viral radish]

does anyone know, when a room gets fig leaf'd, does it still count as an encounter for purposes of chaos curses etc

[vagrant urchin]

Hey, I forgot what curse of the afflicted did and was wondering if somebody could explain. It's hard to notice it's effects in the game.

[exotic merlin]

pretty sure the answer is yes

Hey! I'm now 120 hours into the game, have ||done everything on the fated list of quests, 32 fear underworld run/24 fear overworld run, maxed out all the armaments, gotten every relationship maxed except narcissus and echo, all incantations|| - basically I've done everything. But, for some reason, Narcissus's questline won't start, and both him and echo have been doing basic filler dialogue for the past 50 runs or so. I've searched everywhere online and all the info I can gather is that you're supposed to keep interacting with them but I've kinda done everything I could already

Yeah ok I just checked and I'm on night 236 where I've kept going to narcissus and echo every time they're offered there's gotta be something I'm missing here

[craggy totem]

What's your codex say about your current status?

[exotic merlin]

"Narcissus may be interested in ambrosia after you aid in certain other matters"

I'm just waiting for Narcissus' water to turn murky cause I've heard that starts the questline

[craggy totem]

Got any incants in the ole cauldron?

[red fox]

If narc has no more dialogue, stop visiting him but still visit echo

[exotic merlin]

Nope! There is currently nothing but buying decor that I can do in the game

[crude dragon]

Nah, Narc's fountain becoming murky isn't from the cauldron

Can't change his water filter when it's still clean

[exotic merlin]

Ooooo ok I’ll give that a try

[craggy totem]

I meant more 'what if it already triggered and they forgot or something'

But it definitely seems not to be the case 😆

[buoyant matrix]

have you maxed echo's hearts

[exotic merlin]

I haven’t befriended echo! Can’t until narcissus goes to visit her

I have maxed out every other character’s relationships to ensure nothing’s getting in the way though!

My newest idea before coming here was “what if I need a 32 fear run to activate narcissus’s quest”, which quickly turned into “what if I need to buy every pet’s skin and buy all the music”

I don’t think either of those are correct though so I’ll give visiting echo without visiting narcissus a shot!

[craggy totem]

You definitely don't need 32F for it haha, I had everything maxed before I did 32F.

[patent cedar]

Maybe run their keepsakes? Idk

[exotic merlin]

I did try that!

[patent cedar]

Alright

[rotund osprey]

How do i unlock the secret bosses? I only fought Polyphemus + Medea by accident and it was so tough i died lol

[red fox]

You pick vow of rival

[patent cedar]

Beat the first ones to unlock more

[rotund osprey]

is it increase fear or specific weapons/items

[rotund osprey]

Already beat the main game a couple of times underworlds and surface (not the secret ending yet)

[exotic merlin]

It is quite funny seeing all the keepsakes maxed out. And then aromatic phial has no narcissus and whatever keepsake should be to the right of it having not appeared yet

[rotund osprey]

Thats the last fear choice right?

[red fox]

Yes, the bottom one

[craggy totem]

No, specifically you need to beat the Rivals version of the bosses.

Both of the zone one Rivals bosses to unlock the zone two Rivals bosses, and so on.

Beating the main game isn't related.

[rotund osprey]

Thank you

[exotic merlin]

I skipped narc and talked to echo, her dialogue was “Echo… Echo… Echo…” as it has been the past few times. Tried equipping the aromatic phial to see if it would remind her of narcissus but no luck

[craggy totem]

Does her Codex status say anything?

[exotic merlin]

Nope! I haven’t gifted her anything because I haven’t been able to until narcissus goes and talks to her

Are you able to befriend echo before narcissus’ water clouds over? I haven’t noticed the option to do so

Yeah according to the wiki, "Echo's affinity gauge is maxed out at 8 hearts. To earn Echo's trust, Melinoë must reunited her with Narcissus and later help him purify the water where he sees his reflection (this requires talking to Narcissus to trigger a conversation about his restored water). This will trigger a conversation with Echo about Narcissus. Once the conversation ends, the affinity gauge will be unlocked. "

since that hasn't happened, I haven't been able to befriend echo

[little mason]

did the super nova and charon get fixed?

[covert badge]

no, its a feature now

[craggy totem]

Hang on, you haven't gifted her ANYTHING at all ever? Hang around after you talk to her next time. Notice anything?

You do not need to start Narcissus' quest in order to gift her one (1) thing. I suspect the very opposite is what's causing the holdup in your case.

[exotic merlin]

That… would make a lot of sense!

[crude dragon]

As a side note, you can only gift her after talking to her

[craggy totem]

Yes, that's why you gotta hang around after you talk to her next time :P

[exotic merlin]

Oh it worked

Well hey! At least I got all the grinding out of the way before doing the real final boss of this game: the narcissus plotline

[elfin heron]

||did you do the vow of rivals in runs where you dont have enough fear to get a nightmare?||

[craggy totem]

For the prophecy, yeah.

[civic jolt]

Man I still can’t beat Z. He hits like a truck

[buoyant matrix]

whose z 😂

oh nvm i got it

[dry tree]

||zag||

[old depot]

Do runs get little epithets like in h1? Cause only one ive got so far was when I first beat chronos and ever since then nothing. I loved that I h1 where a run was so special it was given a little nickname

[dry tree]

??

[thin laurel]

they do! not every run, but if you meet requirements you can still get that

[fleet wave]

Wow Circe’ psychic leash goes crazy

[dry tree]

you mean when you die you get chronos mocking you?

[thin laurel]

no, the subtitle below "victory" which pops up if your run was special in a certain way.
i.e. this one you get for having enough duo boons in a single run: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1437701232943955988/Screenshot_2025-11-10_at_11.10.20_PM.png?ex=6916d61d&is=6915849d&hm=96aa426465d56f7555bfce40168729f5ce81467af22173769ad9248916a50245&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2284&height=1486

[dry tree]

oh ok

[red fox]

I saw there is a untouchable in my history but i don't remember any run i was untouchable

[dry tree]

the last one i got was "ten times"

[dry tree]

how do you share SSs like that tho

[fleet wave]

When using Circe, which is the boon that has your omega cast track Mel?

[red fox]

Demeter ares duo?

[fleet wave]

Ahh dammit it’s a duo?

[thin laurel]

right click on an image sent in any discord server (I sent that one in #h2-victory-boasting), "copy link," paste

[dry tree]

oh oke thanks

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1438447631780286525/Screenshot_365.png?ex=6916ea40&is=691598c0&hm=e4e1bad1d3dfe48a9c7bd321bc64fdbee0bf3d5cbba73639237d820f14a40d8d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1172&height=659

[rough horizon]

Yeah, it does a lot more damage than you would imagine, it likes to show up at the victory screen

[sleek oar]

Aspect of circe for the win

[verbal hinge]

for bared fangs, is there some prerequisite for slicer?

or is it just bad rng?

[cursive nacelle]

just unlucky, its a more likely to show up on surface runs

[graceful badger]

I believe it's only on static ennemies (or more likely on those) so either the tombstones houses on surface or the enemy that spawns roots in erebus.

[buoyant matrix]

there are only two enemy types that can have it, one in underworld and one in surface

turn on fangs2 and run whichever path you want, it's quite rare

[verbal hinge]

aha
so not just unlucky

thanks

well i guess is just unlucky, since i've definitely killed them with fangs 2 on

[broken creek]

I kinda wish the fated list was a bit more retroactive sometimes 😔

[old depot]

oh wierd I didnt see te victory boasting channel

[verbal hinge]

do all attack boons proc/apply on dash strike?

[buoyant matrix]

boons do, hammers and certain other effects may not

[verbal hinge]

got it

follow up, if my dash strike hits three times, is heph doing 3 clangs?

i don't think he is,

but there is an echo to the clangs so idk

the echo might be the softer thud of the triple strike

yeah no there's definitely only one 600 happening

oh two 600s just happened how
is it like an aoe because of the coat dash strike so everything in that circumference takes the 600?

[buoyant matrix]

no

heph blast instantly goes on cooldown when used

[buoyant matrix]

yes, the blast will separately hit everyone in a small area, it doesn't matter how fast you attack it's how close the enemies are to each other

[verbal hinge]

yeah this is what is happening and the circles are not layered exactly because the triple strike so the area increases it's quite good

[verbal hinge]

sword ring + winner's circle + cut above + coffin nail

you guys should try this it's wonderful

[scenic gust]

LMAO I found out Hex can Morph Hecate's clones

[hearty idol]

Sword Ring hits hard now its great for secondary dps, i was using Ares + Apollo duo though havent tried with Heph

[thin laurel]

it can and it's so funny when it happens lol
it can also morph charyb tentacles ||but only during the miniboss version, not rivals scylla||, and the majority of minibosses

I LOVE twilight curse lol, trivializes so many fights. olympus robots? sheep. dracon minoboss? sheep. lamia queen? sheep.

[verbal hinge]

heph duo is basically the h1 area athena duo, something ending. the one that would trigger doom instantly

coffin nail triggers swords from both cast and cut above instantly it's frankly insane

[fluid mesa]

merciful end?

[verbal hinge]

yas

[verbal hinge]

and i STILL lost that run because of fkn chronos instakill i was punching a thing that spawned EXACTLY in the circle so ofc i stepped out of the circle

surface is easier than underworld i think

you could have the most op autopilot build imaginable and still die to chronos

this is not the case with typhon

[thin laurel]

tbh I'd say the closer parallel to merciful end is romantic spark, since blitz is more similar to doom
but visually yeah, coffin nail

[verbal hinge]

yes for sure spark is p much merciful ending exactly

but easier because didn't merciful ending need 3 prereqs?

and also if you didn't get divine dash to trigger it was kinda garbage

[queen yew]

are the Hades 2 fandom wiki up-to-date? where can i find information about the game if it's not fandom

[thin laurel]

nope, sadly
every day I hope we get a non-fandom non-fextralife actually good wiki like hollow knight lol, I'd contribute...

[queen yew]

Awww sheeeet

I wanna look into the mechanics of how Boons are procedurally generated each run so...

[thin laurel]

the speedrun discord is prob a good bet for that, a lot of ppl there have looked into the code etc

[queen yew]

where can i find it? sorry i'm new on diving deep into hades 2

[thin laurel]

speedrun dot com leaderboard for h2 has it linked I think?

[queen yew]

thanks, found it

[hearty idol]

was scrolling on steam community Hades and damn this art looks sick!
https://x.com/Yukinnn115/status/1986956756711600160?s=20

random thought if it was in game, its gonna be legendary arcana card

[dusky inlet]

is it necessary to play 1 first before 2

[hearty idol]

hmmm imo no, but highly recommended cause you play as the sister of the protagonist in hades 1

[dusky inlet]

ok.. ill continue 2 then

[patent cedar]

It does refer a lot to the first game, but its not really necessary no (Although both are very good games, so i recommend both!)

Ops wrong person reply

[dusky yew]

I got that one. But it still doesn't explain why he lets himself corrupt. It's hard to believe he gets to that state physically only to play. It would make a ton more sense if we fight him in his regular self after we beat the game

[long silo]

When people talk about diminishing returns from poms in this game is that just saying that when you pom something for the first time it'll give you a certain % increase but afterwards only lesser and lesser % increases will be offered for the same thing? Like if you take a 50% increase you just won't see that again, only lesser increases etc etc?

[hearty fog]

Correct.

[long silo]

Ok ok thank you

[tepid rune]

This is correct, though it’s worth noting that not all boons are affected by poms equally. Like taking, idk, Aphro special from 1 to 5 will have certain diminishing returns, but taking Zeus special will have different diminishing returns. And then you Heph boons which arguably increase in value the more you pom them since those poms decrease cd instead of increasing the damage number per proc.

[verbal hinge]

take droplet into mourning fields and get echo gift

chronos becomes cake if you said is this cake or chronos nobody would know until you cut it and it'll turn out to be cake

if echo doesn't offer gift increase your skill level

but also doesn't matter cause droplet still p awesome

[brittle solar]

post game || does zagreus have 3 death defiances? I haven't be able to beat him yet, and I always lose when the first one hits 🥲 so I'd like to know to be prepared ||

[verbal hinge]

||just one||

[brittle solar]

oooh thank god

[verbal hinge]

it's still annoying af

[brittle solar]

right???? 50 damage in one hit is so sad😭

[verbal hinge]

it's madness

and sometimes he swings twice and if he telegraphs when it's once and when it's twice, i can't see it yet

[brittle solar]

|| specially cause he always almost always appear in the first 2 regions for me||

[brittle solar]

same 😭

[verbal hinge]

but that's when you want him cause max gainz

[brittle solar]

but it's also usually when I'm low in health

dying in 2 hits

[verbal hinge]

i always take him in the first 7 chambers because if i die, eh, didn't waste much time

it's pretty build dependent i guess
i best him with than axe in erubus recently

also, chronos scythe fyght!

[brittle solar]

hMMM I'll try these
I usually get to him with moros flames

[verbal hinge]

i don't think i've used moros more than the first time

eos is so op

ever since someone told me the circling omega attack gets night bonus for the entire duration..

[brittle solar]

moros is my fave aspect, I maxed it out and the blast damage is pretty cool

[verbal hinge]

hm i shall play it next time torches gets the bonus and see

rivals cerb was pretty underwhelming

simply restricting your space to play in is a dumb way to make it more difficult

now all that's left is rivals prom

[young kelp]

moros is cracked would concur

[verbal hinge]

i have 4 curses being applied instantly and at the same time i should get origination²

[long silo]

Yeah I'm trying to understand but still a little confused

[verbal hinge]

diminishing returns isn't always just diminishing from the beginning

it could also be like.. the first 5 poms will give you +10
but then the 6th pom will give you only +1

so you pom it 5 times but not 6

[tepid rune]

Is there a resource out there, actually, of what each boon gives at each level? (At least for like the first 10 or so levels, since you can technically go much higher but usually won’t), just as a reference

[hard bane]

e

[verbal hinge]

yeah that would be really useful

i think ares attack in h1 could be pommed 8-10 times before it fell off

[long silo]

Is it really even diminishing returns if it's not actually diminishing returns until the fifth or sixth time you pom because at this point it sounds just a limited amount of buffs

[verbal hinge]

i mean
i mention ares specifically because i took him to 15 and everyone told me i was a dumbass and that's when i learned that the poms had d returns

[long silo]

Like..: what even is this, diminishing returns means diminishing returns. Not "buff eight times and then it doesn't work so well anymore..." I'm just confused

[verbal hinge]

returns can diminish on a scale

a graph can go up and then plateau

[long silo]

True I guess. Maybe I'm dumb I just would like to understand what I'm doing I hate when I pom things without knowing why

I usually win with 15 fear or so so I feel like I'm playing at least decently and making the right choices but I just don't know when and why I'm going to pom things half the time

[verbal hinge]

that's not unreasonable

but you're only getting 3 things on offer, so that helps

if you don't know what to do, pom the damage dealers

pom things that scale instead of offering flat

[long silo]

I've basically deleted the question out of my mind and now whenever I get a pom I just ask myself which one is going to most directly affect the aspect I'm building around rather than wondering if this one is giving me diminishing returns or if the flat damage is already good on this or that etc

[verbal hinge]

i prefer pomming support/synergy stuff

i'll always pom hestia's candle over anything else cause it's the boss killer and i need those the most

[long silo]

Like for example if I'm playing Charon aspect I'm only buffing special or cast... that's it, I know that that's not optimal playing but I just don't understand this diminishing returns and flat damage math stuff

[verbal hinge]

yeah that's fair enough neither do i
there are people in this game who do understand the math stuff
they set the meta
we just find what they say and do that

[long silo]

Lolol you right

Bothers me to not know why I'm doing what I do though is all so that's why I ask

[verbal hinge]

always be that way forever

edit i'm not even being facetious or whatever i wish everybody everywhere was like that instead of pretending they know what's going on or doing their best to hide ignorance and incompetence

[long silo]

🫡🫡

I'm 31 now man I can't keep pretending I know anything

👴🏻

[verbal hinge]

haha fr the older you get the more you realise you know bugger all

[long silo]

So real

[verbal hinge]

tfw night bloom gets full moon and the godsent

[tranquil wren]

nah that's fine, where else will the buffs go

[verbal hinge]

STATIC

[tranquil wren]

that's still upgrading your special, no?

[wintry wharf]

Tonight had my first ever Hades related dream...
It was just a Rival Polyphemus fight but...
Medea was in a barrel from the neck down? Nothing else changed
Hypnos, what the hell is this

[tranquil wren]

morpheus is the one to blame here

[wintry wharf]

Okay, Morpheus, what the hell is this

[long silo]

That's how I see it yeah.

[verbal hinge]

i'm using piggy with circe staff where's my easter egg

[tranquil wren]

like a boozer?

[buoyant matrix]

that's tame, my first dream was in h1 where i was playing a putrid amalgam of three different railgun aspects at 50 heat and it felt horrible

[wintry wharf]

Yeah! What a horrid fusion

[verbal hinge]

would hermes and hammer have equal chance of showing up?

[wintry wharf]

What might be the lore reason for Medea to put herself into a barrel?

[verbal hinge]

like.. i'm playing circe now, so i'm putting my poms into cast

[long silo]

Yeah I feel like that's the only thing that makes sense to me without knowing "the math" behind the game

[verbal hinge]

jep and just extrapolate from there for every aspect

also i i think the math on d.returns is pretty specific, not broad

so you can't be hurt too badly either way

[long silo]

Circe is so fun. I wanna play nergal though lately

That's tonight's runs I think once I'm off

[verbal hinge]

i just want to play hel skulls
like a goddamn m4a1

[long silo]

I hated them when I tried them, Medea is fun but too dangerous and Mel or Persephone skulls are my fav aspect I think

[verbal hinge]

i just can't get the hang of persephone skull
i played it right the first time i used it, and then never again

[long silo]

I liked hera bow so much that I wanna love pan but I don't yet

[wintry wharf]

Btw, what were the aspects? Hestia + Eris + Lucifer doesn't sound too bad per se, were they different?

[verbal hinge]

i was so looking forward to unlocking ||morrigan|| but it's so slow

[buoyant matrix]

zag, eris and lucifer
it sounds fun and strong in theory but for some reason it felt horrible in the dream. i woke up like i had a nightmare

[verbal hinge]

eris rail and zeus shield were my favourite aspects

eris rail was my 50 heat
shield i fell off at 40 or 45 can't remember

[wintry wharf]

Hmm, ah, of course, if it's Lucifer...
Then getting your special to explode on you for the damage bonus would be really bothersome if Hellfire
And if it was normal bullets instead of laser then it's a whole weird mix of stuff lol

[verbal hinge]

i hated the bow until i realised you gotta play it melee
you have to play all ranged weapons melee

[wintry wharf]

Wouldn't Chiron bow be the direct comparison to Pan?

[verbal hinge]

which is the one where you loaded the cast?

[wintry wharf]

Hera

[verbal hinge]

that one was best bow
hit like a mack truck

there was this girl best speedrunner in the world her hera bow dad kill was ridiculous
over in seconds

[long silo]

You're right, my fault! Didn't play 1 too much lol

[wintry wharf]

Haha all good

[long silo]

Maybe like 80 hours on hades 1 and like 95 hours on hades 2 now

[wintry wharf]

Triad, Triad it all

[verbal hinge]

wow how
hades was so addictive

literally had people fiending. googling "games like hades"

[long silo]

I liked it a lot but I just never understood the mechanics lol and then like 3 weeks before hades 2 came out I quit silk song and did a deep dive into how to actually play hades and got hooked on it, beat the final boss a few times and then hopped on hades 2, been here ever since

[verbal hinge]

v nice i also stopped playing silksong when i bought hades

i saw yesterday there's an update queued i wonder what kind of changes they made
probably just maintenance patch

[long silo]

I stopped at the lace fight that right above clockwork dancers

That fight literally had me saying yeah I don't wanna play this anymore

[quaint lake]

same, still need to get back and finish it all

[verbal hinge]

i stopped at high halls

[long silo]

That gauntlet took me 4 days of trying

[buoyant matrix]

bruh

[long silo]

Boomer gamer levels of dying

[verbal hinge]

yeah i didn't even get that far

[verbal hinge]

this is me with every boss in every game i wear it down with my face

i played a metroidvania that gave you a tier rating depending on how well you did in the boss fight, and that resulted in a better or worse permanent reward

that's such a garbage mechanic i hated them for it

[buoyant matrix]

wait what was the game I'm interested

[long silo]

I would not do well with that. I hate even having the option to go see how many times in a row I've lost in Hades two

[verbal hinge]

it was a good game it had multiple characters also so you had good replay value

ok if you really want to know i'll hunt for it
i've played so many

[long silo]

Has anyone tried roots on peak lately

My one friend that plays games with me says he's done with peak so if anyone here ever wants to play peak I'm down

[dire sand]

If the hp bar moves or if it bleeds, it can die

[meager elk]

dude roots is actually loaded with so much mechanics. everything tries to kill you in there 💀

[long silo]

I died like six times to the first wind while you're up in the trees

[verbal hinge]

i had to google peak is that something everyone knows about?

[long silo]

It's a game where you climb with your friends it can be really fun

[verbal hinge]

what is controlling and responsiveness for traversal like?

[verbal hinge]

i said i googled it why you telling me what it is 💀

[long silo]

Oops my b lol

[verbal hinge]

it's 38% off and cheaper than a shawarma

[meager elk]

at least the new drip you get from roots looks good...

[long silo]

The movement is really easy there's like a global status bar that makes it difficult sometimes

[dire sand]

It's one of many of the fun online with friends games that are popular for two months

[dull tendon]

I got Gigaros, how many times do I gotta kill Typhon for Entropy? 5?

[dire sand]

So if you are looking for a game to have fun online with friends then it's good

[long silo]

Sumn like that

[dire sand]

And ofc the games are prime content creator material lol

[long silo]

Anyone here tried sworn

[verbal hinge]

someone said sworn is like hades coop

[long silo]

Two player Hades

[dire sand]

Sadly I have tried league of legends

[verbal hinge]

i'm planning on getting it when i get bored of hades

[long silo]

I have no clue what to do when I get bored of Hades because I'm dreading silk song

[buoyant matrix]

woah tranurz you're alive
what was your professional opinion on the old hades 2 story ending

[dire sand]

I have not finished this game

[quaint lake]

I'm sorry for your loss

[buoyant matrix]

ah then you're gonna get the new ending only

[dire sand]

I have not seen either ending I have burned myself out in EA it seems LOL

[buoyant matrix]

it's only like 15 runs to get the ending 🥺

[dire sand]

I also just have too many games to play cause while waiting for 1.0 I bought 33937384 games during sales

[dire sand]

Eh I joke about it, game's fun, I play it with friends and solo q ranked 2-3 matches max, I enjoy getting good at competitive games

A more healthy outlet for that maybe has been speedrunning but that doesnt really scratch the pvp itch

[quaint lake]

same, its why i play RL though im bad enough that my friend carries 90% of the time

[dire sand]

I only got to plat in rl lol

[verbal hinge]

are you old enough to have played hon in its prime

[dire sand]

I am too horrid at the flying

[dire sand]

Probably but idk what hon is so I didnt

[buoyant matrix]

i saw that

[quaint lake]

im low diamond, only because my friend carries. he almost got himself to champ while carrying my low-mid plat ass. it was incredible to watch

[verbal hinge]

heroes of newerth
like league but difficult

[dire sand]

Oh

[quaint lake]

i forgot to hit reply, and i dont want to lose context

[verbal hinge]

much steeper learning curve than league or dota. v fun

[dire sand]

Heard of that ye but never played it, only been pc gamin for like 3 years

[verbal hinge]

oh damn so you like a pleb with aspirations

[dire sand]

Was a console gamer for most of my life

[verbal hinge]

then you saw the light?

[dire sand]

Nah I just compete and maybe speedrun a record or whatever

Eh console offers more ease of use pc offers more options both are fine

[verbal hinge]

im kidding i put an xbox controller on my pc im trying to learn but it's hard af

[dire sand]

My friends had consoles so I had consoles to play with them

[verbal hinge]

when it says press rt it takes me 2.5 seconds to know what rt is

zero muscle memory it's sad

[dire sand]

I've adjusted to kbm just fine judging by me having a world record in i am your beast

[buoyant matrix]

i have both a ps5 and a pc, am decent at using both

[verbal hinge]

i can only aswd

[dire sand]

I had an xbox before I went to ps so I am used to both rt and r2

Still have the xbox with fable 1 lol

[verbal hinge]

omg i remember playing fable on pc

[dire sand]

I use controller on pc plenty mostly racing games and 3rd person stuff

[verbal hinge]

2006 i think

[dire sand]

I kinda half lied I played pc games in 2001 when you didnt need some insane gpu and diablo 2 launched lol

[dull tendon]

Regarding the kills for Entropy, do the ones I got before obtaining Gigaros also count

[dire sand]

But very quickly a regular old pc could not play games and I only had consoles

[buoyant matrix]

they do, you need 4 void lens, check your inventory to see how many you have

[verbal hinge]

diablo 2 launched before 2001 surely
we were playing it in 99

[dire sand]

I played diablo 2 at like 6 years old cause my dad was not paying attention to what I was playin

[verbal hinge]

i was 19 and it was one of the best things ever

[dire sand]

2000 was the launch, 2001 was the expansion

[verbal hinge]

played diablo 1 when i was 15

[dull tendon]

So 1 more since I got 3

[dire sand]

99 you'd be playing diablo 1

[verbal hinge]

oh yeah that makes sense i was 20 correct

[buoyant matrix]

my ass was playing ninja gaiden 2 at 6 years old i blame that for my attention deficiency issues lol

[verbal hinge]

when you're born in 79 it's v easy to know how old you were whenever because you were 20 in the year 2000

[dire sand]

I blame my attention deficit on adhd but you do you

95 is also pretty easy tbh

[meager elk]

you guys are uncs

[dire sand]

Yes

[verbal hinge]

94 or 95
i remember cause i was still in highschool but graduated at 15 so it had to be 95 or before

[verbal hinge]

your mom is unc

[brittle solar]

y'all were playing before I was born lmao

[verbal hinge]

i played diablo 2 all thought university like 3.5 years

[dire sand]

I was here to see games be good before AI and encrapification takes over the industry so I will gladly be unc

[verbal hinge]

then shifted to reign of chaos and frozen throne
then dota

[dire sand]

Okay encrapification is allowed, saved

[verbal hinge]

neh
microtransactions ruined games

and millennials allowed it to happen

[dire sand]

Diablo 2 remaster is so good to have

[verbal hinge]

why
path of exile is better than diablo anyway

[dire sand]

Mtx is encrapification yes

PoE a bit too much for me to do and figure out besides work lol, having a remaster of the game I loved as a kid that I dont need to look stuff up for cause I know it all anyway, and can just play but now it looks better, is neat

[verbal hinge]

path of exile skill tree is impossible
literally impossible

the only way to correctly do it is pick your class and weapon and then read a guide on the internet

[dire sand]

Ye and that bores me

[verbal hinge]

if you do not do it this way, you will 100% fail in act 4

[dire sand]

Also that just feels like a task list and I already have a job lmao

[verbal hinge]

yeah but the economy is also amazing

and the endgame content is brilliant

[dire sand]

I am not interacting with the player to player trade system

Ssf or I'm not playing lol

[verbal hinge]

it's remarkably scam free
very good infrastructure built around it

but whatever you're into
economy is a big part of diablo too tho

[dire sand]

It mostly doesnt help that I dont play these games for endgame grind either I make a char see what I find, beat the game till credits, and move on to a next char

Ye I do ssf diablo 2 as well I barely even play on ladder LOL

Before d2r I was just running plugy offline

[verbal hinge]

i mean if you're ever going to enjoy the leet items you have to with the farming and the trading

[dire sand]

I just /players 8 and mess around and beat Hell and make a new char

[verbal hinge]

what is plugy

[dire sand]

Ye but I dont need em to enjoy it, the whole number go up bit of better items isn't intriguing to me much

[verbal hinge]

i also started playing diablo solo and that was fine but online is so many more facets

[dire sand]

Plugy's a mod for the old diablo 2 that adds a bunch of quality of life, infinite stash tabs, shared tabs between characters, shared gold, stackable runes/gems, portals in act 5 to nikhlathak stay open always, etc.

[verbal hinge]

not number go up so much as utility

stuff like the enigma armour and the ephemeral polearm for your merc

[dire sand]

Most like well known QoL mod for diablo 2 singleplayer ssf type stuff

[verbal hinge]

oh yeah you had to play with a maphack it was impossible to enjoy properly otherwise

[dire sand]

Ye idk I don't need those best in slot items to have fun I find my fun in figuring out what is bis of what I found myself

Maphack? To find exits or smth? I just know exits

Most maps have predetermined exit directions lol

Llama made a video on it at some point and I just remembered the important ones

[verbal hinge]

i guess you don't need teleport armour if you're not doing farming runs for groups and you don't need an elite merc if you're not sorceress solo clearing late game runs for groups

[dire sand]

Ye

Ye see that's what I mean you need them to farm to get things you need to farm to get things you need to farm etc. and if that floats your boat, good, just not mine lol

I do have some like god roll staff somewhere I think

[verbal hinge]

i will check out remastered i haven't played an arpg since poe in 2016

and i will play online because i don't have a job lol

[verbal hinge]

trading is a lot of fun because it's trading. barter economy

but you gotta farm to have something to barter with yeah

it helps to play with friends

[dire sand]

Ye idk I don't interact with it cause trading up to something intrigues me none personally

It's also why guides mean zero to me right

[verbal hinge]

not into civ and sim games then i take it

[dire sand]

A lot of them are like some endgame traded gear lol

I play civilization

[verbal hinge]

guides are necessary if you want to finish the game solo too

in poe anyway

[dire sand]

But that's like a wholy different genre

Eh idk I dont look at em

Ye poe maybe I did make it to endgame in poe1 without a guide lol

Just quit at whatever the grind was at the time it was ages ago

[verbal hinge]

it's just the skill tree is too complicated to figure out unless you're doing upper level math and stuff

hence guides for the build

i really don't know why they made it so hard

[dire sand]

Or well idek if it was endgame I mostly just finished the acts

[verbal hinge]

did you play civ 7?

[dire sand]

I think the main thing with the tree is you just gotta pick nodes you wanna get to that vibe together and then find a path there

I played 5 and 6

It's just poe is a lot more effort to think on builds and I just wanna chill post work

[verbal hinge]

yeah same but 7 is supposed to have a completely new mechanic.

[dire sand]

Ye changing leaders right

[verbal hinge]

no i get it it's not for everyone

like torchlight and the endless dungeon crawl was not for me

although i liked fate

[verbal hinge]

yep so multiple civilisations

i got civ 6 on 90% sale so i'm just going to wait for civ 7 to do that too

unlike with silksong and hades 2, i am in no rush for civ 7

[real dock]

who is this tulok and mango guy and why is this aspects tier list the worst thing ive ever seen in my life

why is he saying to use wide grin on medea

[long silo]

Favorite non Olympian keepsake go!

[real dock]

i think most peoples favourite keepsake probably isnt a god keepsake

probably just jpom though

[craggy totem]

I love jpom but Sash is dearer to my heart ;P

Even if I never pick it up again it'll still have done its work for my past runs 💪

[inland turret]

Luckier tooth

I love not dying yk

[devout cairn]

it's jpom, it's always jpom

[verbal hinge]

then play strength
nothing keeps you alive quite like killing the bad guys

[long silo]

I like the Charon purse cause Charon is hard af

[devout cairn]

I like all the fate's whim keepsakes

[long silo]

Deaths ferryman

[inland turret]

When I'm not using luckier tooth I'm using strength and knuckle bands

[quaint lake]

water vial, from Narcissus

[inland turret]

Out of everything you could have chosen..

[verbal hinge]

it's amazing it's my go to act 2 keepsake

[inland turret]

Act 2? This is not silksong my guy 😭✌️

[verbal hinge]

biome 2

[real dock]

99% of water vial users quit before they hit it big

[craggy totem]

World 2

[long silo]

Don't be mean

[quaint lake]

its done amazing things for somne runs of mine when i was starting out

[inland turret]

Biome 2 huh

[real dock]

water vial is okay but rarity is kind of overrated idk

[verbal hinge]

i think technically region 2?

[inland turret]

You mean Oceanus and rift of thessaly

[craggy totem]

Floor 2

[verbal hinge]

accurate

[inland turret]

Game 2

[long silo]

The second story

[craggy totem]

Naw, Game 2 is the entire game

[verbal hinge]

say that to my heph dash say it to its face

[inland turret]

Ahh i see I don't like scylla so usually i just use raw dmg keepsakes

[real dock]

okay rarity is overraated on everything but heph but also why are you taking a common ding dong boon ever

[long silo]

Heph is my favorite but I hate how it's hard to use him for much more than armor buffs

[inland turret]

Game 3- Anubis

[verbal hinge]

i no hit scylla and eris now so it's fine

[real dock]

wdym

[verbal hinge]

i never use him for armour that's like the worst use of him unless you're doing an armour build idk

[long silo]

It's pointless to take his common attack and special, cast isn't the best, sprint isn't the best... he's good for armor but that's it

[inland turret]

No hitting vow of rivals scylla requires too much focus I'd rather not focus during one of my routine underworld runs

[verbal hinge]

use him for the cläng, precious

[verbal hinge]

lmao i finish rivals scylla with 3 hp thx

which is 3 more than she has

[inland turret]

😂😂😂

[real dock]

use ding dong

[verbal hinge]

cast is wonderful
special i don't take only because i never use specials
attack is very pom contingent
on dash is best

[long silo]

Interesting I feel like I clear rooms before the cooldown is over a lot

It's like 12 seconds or something common

[verbal hinge]

i mean you want to pom the dash as much as you can too
it's just not as make or break as the attack is

and you clear rooms before the cooldown because of how hard it hit in the first place

[long silo]

Hmmmm. Yea true

What aspect do you use him most on

[verbal hinge]

he is aspect agnostic

[long silo]

I'll put him on nergal later

[verbal hinge]

especially if it's on the dash

[long silo]

Yea but what do you put him on mostly

[craggy totem]

I think that if you're angling for the Hestia duo, it would theoretically be better to use it on a fastish attacking aspect just so you hit the timing more often

[real dock]

you never use specials?

like none of them ?

[verbal hinge]

the rush/attack for any of the blades, circe staff, than axe, rush for torches, rush for skull
rush for all

[verbal hinge]

no
it's just too many buttons to press
i have to use them for conditions like night etc but if i can i'll just use attack and cast, like with than axe and blades. even pan blades.

[long silo]

Dang so you really play smithy rush like that

It's so cool, I just thought it was not the best is all

[verbal hinge]

i mean.. i do
and if i pick it up, then everything after that is always path pom

[long silo]

Maybe I'm wrong

[verbal hinge]

i mean it's probably not the best?

but it's pretty great

[devout cairn]

so if you dont get trick knives on Pan Aspect you just... use the regular attack?

[verbal hinge]

depends on what you need

hera rush better than heph if you are looking for a curse

[devout cairn]

That is unhinged

[verbal hinge]

even if i do get trick knives i end up just using regular attack

[devout cairn]

you dont dash attack?

[quaint lake]

it fine enough, but i feel like its kinda weak in most situations. if it triggers then so be it, if not then i just go to the standard attack sequence

[real dock]

has got to be rage bait

[long silo]

I'm always looking for curses cause I forget about origination almost every run until room 15 when I remember I need it

[devout cairn]

im specifically talking about blades with trick knives

[verbal hinge]

inaccurate
i never troll

[verbal hinge]

i dash attack plenty

[quaint lake]

if you're grabbing trick knives and not using dash attack then why do you use the blades?

[real dock]

perhaps you were put on this earth as rage bait

[verbal hinge]

oh trick knives is the one where when you dash attack it uses your special?

yeah i love that i always get it it's perfect

[real dock]

oh

[devout cairn]

this is all ragebait

[long silo]

Not even rage baiting, coat is objectively not fun, none of them, borderline unplayable aspect and I'll quit the game before I even give them a shot most likely

[real dock]

nyx is so fun

[long silo]

It's not, none of them are

[devout cairn]

i could accept people not using cast but not using special is a situation specifically made to bait me

[real dock]

try nyx

[verbal hinge]

my last run i had pos on the special zeus on the attack aphrodite gain hera on sprint and hades sweep

i was applying 5 curses instantly and simultaneously on every mob i attacked it was wonderful

[real dock]

genuinely like id even understand only using attack or special depending on the weapon but NEVER special is so funny

[verbal hinge]

i never don't use cast wtf

you dash at them you cast you attack they die

you find something else to dash at

why you need special idgi

[devout cairn]

Now I get why there's always someone in here struggling on everything

USE YOUR TOOLS PEOPLE

god's given them to you

[real dock]

but every weapon is different.

[verbal hinge]

i use it mega special sometimes
but never special

i need to learn to use special for torch tho

[long silo]

Torch special feels extremely important always

[real dock]

i am so confused.

do you play charon?

[verbal hinge]

yeah torch special only

[verbal hinge]

not once yet, no
i unlocked it but it's not levelled yet

[devout cairn]

mel's staff special spam is how you play that weapon pretty much

[long silo]

I think Charon is my favorite weapon rn

[real dock]

or yeah mel staff

[verbal hinge]

if a weapon forced me it use special i would use special but also i would not play that weapon probably

[real dock]

but whats the difference its just a different button

[verbal hinge]

i only use circe not bored of it yet

let's see when i clear fate list

[real dock]

is it not just a differne tbutton..

[devout cairn]

that's what is weird, instead of spamming square you will just spam triangle

the amount of buttons you will press will not change lol

[verbal hinge]

i'm not a gamer i just mash a lot

maybe i do use special and i just don't know it

[meager elk]

Anubis

[verbal hinge]

aha that's one of the two i haven't unlocked yet thanks did you know bruce willis is a ghost the whole time?

also soylent green is people.

[wintry wharf]

About the Epilogue conversation

[meager elk]

Ik the 1st reference but not the 2nd

[wintry wharf]

||Anyone else felt kinda disappointed that talking to the "Three" Fates was really talking to the One Fate?||

||Like, blue sister got I think two? lines, and yellow got one "line"||

[hearty idol]

Anubis Omega Special on a crowd enemies and i got nuked

[peak herald]

hello is this game hard? im bad at action games but i wanna buy this game and try it.

[verbal hinge]

in order to use special like i use attack i would have to switch special to the attack button, and then i would not be able to use attack equally with the same frequency and dexterity i use special

does that make sense?

[real dock]

no sense at all

[verbal hinge]

must be nice for you
are you right handed?

[hearty idol]

its hard i think if you're bad at action games, but there's God Mode in game that'll help, God Mode basically will give you damage resistance up to 80%

[meager elk]

I didn’t really care that much about them. They were just there to yap about the future and went back to their vacations. Game could have had no epilogue and nothing would change (except for some loose threads lol)

[real dock]

yes?

[verbal hinge]

that might be why

[peak herald]

can i beat it?

[real dock]

controllers use both.. hands

[steep socket]

hey quick question

[verbal hinge]

but only the right hand pushes the buttons
are you trolling me now?

[foggy sable]

aspect of pan plus hidden knives is so funny

[real dock]

its your thumb

[steep socket]

how long will it take for me to be able to post images in the relevant channels lol

[foggy sable]

like it gives off "copy that, removing that direction" vibes

[meager elk]

God mode makes the game easier so even people who are bad at these types of game can still enjoy the story

[hearty idol]

well... i think so, i mean i don't really know you but casual gamers can still play the game just fine

with the help of god mode

[foggy sable]

I havent maxed out pan yet but I want to now

[verbal hinge]

ok?
so replace fingers with thumb
were talking about dexterity with the hand

look you don't understand and i can't explain it like you're 5 so let's drop it

[real dock]

okay i will literally map my buttons to my d pad and use the opposite joystick for movement and i dont think there will be much idfference would that make you happy

[verbal hinge]

i couldn't care less what you do or how you play i fail to see how that would make me happy

i tried to explain something you don't get

you understanding without all of this would have made me happy

but apparently it made no sense

so forget it

[steep socket]

hey avalanche, is there something you need help understanding then? i'll listen

or just something youd like to ask about. might be nice to just talk to a fresh person!

[tranquil wren]

no image perms except #h2-victory-boasting
you can post an image in a priv discord, right click, copy (media) link, then paste the link here

[meager elk]

post the image to an outside source like another discord server or imgur. Copy link then paste here

[steep socket]

wacky. thanks zephyr

[meager elk]

Oh heya hellish 👋

[tidal cliff]

I have 4 death defiances and 492 health going into final boss😭

[tranquil wren]

good luck!

[wintry wharf]

What are the aspects that Blackened Fleece is the most peak thing for?
I know I use it tons with Shiva for either area 4

[steep socket]

tldr tho i basically just wanted to post about a run that i got :3
basically just funny circe geyser spout. every time i drop an omega cast, about 3k damage total gets chunked lmao

[tranquil wren]

charon

[steep socket]

AH thats what i forgot to take this run, woulda done numbers

[wintry wharf]

Noted

[tranquil wren]

since you're channeling omega special always
but tbh if you get racing thoughts from hermes it's just better

especially since fleece requires you to take a bunch of damage. maybe useful if you're on vow of pain but I usually never hit the requirement

[foggy sable]

why has my biggest problem on the surface consistently been health

[steep socket]

cus surface damage numbers are really big

[tranquil wren]

run strength 💪

[foggy sable]

no

I have yet to get anywhere with it, and I currently intend to simply win a few runs

if im going with strength im going into the underworld until I get good with it

[steep socket]

anyway yeah uhh, can anyone tell me what that avalanche fellow was struggling with? they seemed quite frustrated and idk id rather em not bounce off the place cus of them having a bad time here lol

[sleek oar]

Enemies got hands

[crude dragon]

Enemies up top hit harder

[foggy sable]

well by that I mean I get no centaur hearts

[wintry wharf]

Any particular aspects that can benefit the most from Vow of Denial in select builds? I'm curious

[sage brook]

What happens if I have executioner's chop and not enough mana? it looks likes the same animation and its hard to tell if its not proccing as enemies are dying.

[foggy sable]

im halfway through the seas and I havent seen a single one

[sleek oar]

Mmm maybe you can run frinos to help w some more hp if youre not doing that already?

[crude dragon]

As in "aspects that don't require a lot to get going"?

Medea, Charon, Mel staff, Circe

[foggy sable]

I always use raki for the crit chance

[steep socket]

ohhh yeah thats kinda a weird quirk huh? either you get double hearts in ephyra, and you start really tanky, or you gamble on finding some inside the sub regions. gaining health is kinda unstable until you get hermes shrines cus those often offer health pickups

[wintry wharf]

Goood to know

[sleek oar]

If youre dying a lot frinos may be better

[steep socket]

take more money if ur struggling to get health basically is the actionable advice

[meager elk]

Frinos to eat hecate hex so I dont have to deal with that

[sleek oar]

Crit is nice tho i get you 💔

[crude dragon]

You'll just not get the second hit. Works the same as Mirrored Thrasher on the staff when that's OOM

[steep socket]

cus surface gives you wayyy more chances to spend money

[sage brook]

thanks!

[foggy sable]

but yeah I had 300+ health on my first win, but under 200 for my second and third (I think)

[peak herald]

this game wont go on sale for a while right?

[tranquil wren]

probably not
you could hope for a christmas sale

[sleek oar]

Simply hit worry free in every surface run

[sage brook]

I just sold my only common boon to turn on Uncommon Grace but I didnt see any text pop up saying it activated. Any visual queue to know its on?

[foggy sable]

idk if its a normal thing, but for some reason I take the concave stone to Olympus a lot

[tranquil wren]

if you hover over it in the boon menu it should say how many commons you have

[sage brook]

oh didnt even notice that in the text tooltip. Thats great! ty

[meager elk]

its a normal thing… normal thing… normal thing…

[broken glen]

Olympus a lot… Olympus a lot…

[crude dragon]

IDK if it's normal... normal... normal...

[foggy sable]

is there a way to know if a shop is the final one before a boss?

if it matters, im in location 39

[crude dragon]

It's mostly a vibes thing

[tranquil wren]

there's a lot of signs
if the other chamber(s) is a miniboss, then it's a midshop
if the other ones are minor rewards, then it's a midshop
and yeah, you can usually intuitively tell by how many rooms you've been in

[craggy totem]

Memorize the layout of the pre-boss shop.

Wait, I misunderstood your question.

[tranquil wren]

yea I feel like you could just check the next chamber to see if it's a boss or not once you're in the shop haha

[foggy sable]

my health pool sucks

[foggy sable]

well in the case I was in, I wanted to get a centaur heart from the free room but I was low on actual health, so any food I could get from the shop would be useful

confirmed, of all things, Dora knows about taxes

[sleek oar]

Experimental hanmee on olympus mostly 💔

[tranquil wren]

tbf you can get major rewards offered as an alternative to midshops too? it's just based on vibes at that point

[foggy sable]

(o yeah, on another note, I died)

if im going for Mel's coat, is there a specific god that would be more useful?

[crude dragon]

Poseidon for the attack (spam dash-strike and pray for Exhaust Riser) or Special

[verbal hinge]

valdis story: abyssal city

[foggy sable]

for future reference, if I see a keepsake boon but take something else will the next boon be affected as well?

[hearty idol]

i remember i did something like that before, and yeah if you didn't take the keepsake boon you'll get it later on.

[foggy sable]

good to know

[worn barn]

There’s not any shade supporting Mel that I’m missing in the [late game hades 2 spoilers] || fight with Zagreus, || is there? I really liked the || lone shade who supports zag in that arena in H1 || and was hoping to see a callback but so far no luck 😅

[craggy totem]

I don't believe there is, sadly.

[worn barn]

bummer, I was certain there would be one but I’ve been there a few times and beaten him several times now and no dice 😅

[crude dragon]

Supportive Shade who may or may not be grandpa is... elsewhere

[worn barn]

hm, not sure I’m catching that one

[granite lagoon]

I have a soft spot for that game... But that was absolutely a garbage mechanic

[crude dragon]

Check the Cerberus arena, by the exit

[worn barn]

huh, will do thanks!

[craggy totem]

That one is just the same Shade that was supporting Zag, not a different fella

[crude dragon]

Well yeah, but that's why he isn't in ||Elysium||

[craggy totem]

I assumed fenwater was asking about, like, whether Mel had her own big fan -- which, not exactly, unless you want to count Homer stanning her via the voiceover hahah

[crude dragon]

There is also the hater shade in the Scylla arena

[craggy totem]

LMAO

[verbal hinge]

yes and it's sad because it was so fun to play but i didn't even finish because of that mechanic

[restive pasture]

I never noticed the hater shade

[crude dragon]

It's a purple Shade who gets mad that the concert's over

[craggy totem]

Hater Shade brings the haterade

[verbal hinge]

||zag's stan shade is in mourning fields, right next to the exit after you beat cerb||

[verbal hinge]

big fat broker type yeah?

[crude dragon]

Yeah, him

[worn barn]

very cool, thank you!

i’ll look for it next time

[verbal hinge]

yeah i don't think it cheers for you, but mel says "you're from elysium, aren't you!" the first time you interact with it

honestly idk when it shows up because i didnt notice it until v recently

maybe it's after you get ||zag keepsake||?

[restive pasture]

Nah I had them at the crossroads before I even finished the true end. I think anyway

[verbal hinge]

my zeus + apollo nyx coat build was so strong i nohit chronos to the point where i still had armour left over

no hit all of tartarus too

[granite lagoon]

I know the initial release also had a mechanic where instead of plot bad things happening when certain milestones happen it was purely time based. Take too long, surprise, everyone's dead! They did at least patch that out.

[verbal hinge]

good god that sounds horrible

there's another one that does that. take too long and SHOP NPCS are dead because one of them starts killing the others lol. death's gambit?

that was another great game i didn't finish cause the bosses got too hard

also if you go to the surface after underworld and finish the run then i think eye goes to "???"

but if you die to chronos but then keep running underworld and clearing it, the eye stays on chronos

[crude dragon]

Nah, you can start interacting with him really early on

[verbal hinge]

then idk why i never saw him before
maybe cause he's red

[wide shore]

If I skip a room that would have had my second hammer, can I still get it later in the run?

[verbal hinge]

yes absolutely

[wide shore]

Thanks. Good to know. I've never skipped a hammer room till now.

[crude dragon]

Yes, though it might be in a shop now

[verbal hinge]

yeah i almost never. only for chaos or a companion.

[teal pewter]

i should probably upgrade my arcanas

[verbal hinge]

the game allows 2 hermes right?

if i have two and i purge one, will it offer me another hermes down the road?

[craggy totem]

There is no hard limit on the number of Hermes boons you can get

[verbal hinge]

i still haven't maxed stuff like strength and origination and ive used them for over a hundred runs

[craggy totem]

Now this is ragebait

[teal pewter]

tbh same

[verbal hinge]

OH

[crude dragon]

This is true

[verbal hinge]

assure you it's not
i switched focus from moondust to nightmare

[crude dragon]

Yeah, but you could still be cooking dust

[verbal hinge]

i don't cook anything

[craggy totem]

There's probably some kind of %chance about Hermes boons you can get offered, but I have had at least one UW run where I got offered three naturally (without doing shenanigans involving Echo or duplication)

[teal pewter]

I think hammer has a soft limit of 2?

[crude dragon]

Not even pet cookies?

[verbal hinge]

except the pet bonds

[verbal hinge]

yeah i was saying but this slowmode ugh

[dull whale]

Damn lol
Strength is a mission to max but Origination is such a free dmg boost

[verbal hinge]

i just forgot about it

[dull whale]

Ahhh fair

[verbal hinge]

i mean im not intentionally doing this lmao

[dull whale]

I've had all cards unlocked and maxed for ages that I'm basically hording moon dust for nothing now rip

There are some familiar skins I can get with dust I think

[foggy sable]

thats my 4th surface win

[verbal hinge]

i was so hyper focussed on unlocking 30/30 and i just let insights slide

[dull whale]

Ahhh ok yeah
I was doing it 50/50
Upgrading both as each one could go up

[verbal hinge]

the thing is upgrades started asking for ingredients i didn't have

then by the time i did have them, i had forgotten upgrades existed completely

[dull whale]

Still pretty neat how irrelevant maxing that stuff is for run completion early on. My first clear was 11 runs in and I barely maxed anything
Maxed everything just makes 0 fear baby mode which is nice

So basically once ||eris|| had enough of me 😅

[verbal hinge]

11 runs good grief
did you play h1?

[rotund comet]

i've put 70h in hades 2 and i just started a week ago

[dull whale]

Hades 1 took me... 21?

No sorry 22 I remember

[verbal hinge]

ok i was thinking not playing h1 would actually help because there's a lot to unlearn, combatwise

[dull whale]

The basics on how to build are the same but I did need to get used to the new movement and stuff

[verbal hinge]

i mean not a lot. but some dash muscle memory

[tribal yew]

Don't worry, you get the difficulty spike again anyway when you start turning on certain challenge modifiers

[dull whale]

Oh good lord do you ever
It spikes hard

[verbal hinge]

i've played 150 hours and i still haven't gotten rid of it

[tribal yew]

Frenzy is currently hurting my soul

[dull whale]

I've tried it and I am trying to learn it but man. It's kicking my butt

[tribal yew]

Frenzy 2 plus Rivals Scylla...UGH.

[dull whale]

Frenzy feels very good in rooms. It speeds those up a lot

But frenzy for bosses my lord

[teal pewter]

Moros aspect explosions count as attack damage or special damage?

[tribal yew]

And if it decides the wrong character gets the buff in phase 2? I had so much bullet hell I literally couldn't charge an omega attack without taking damage

[dull whale]

Yuuuuup

Frenzy is so brutal but it's a neat modifier

[verbal hinge]

attack

[tribal yew]

Spoiling for the sake of the new player, but if ||Charybdis|| gets the buff...on Frenzy 2, it's shooting homing cluster shots faster than the previous ones disappear

[verbal hinge]

in h1 it's like a gift not a punishment

[dull whale]

Omg yeah I've died to that before

[dull whale]

Right lol
How the tables have turned

[tribal yew]

I entered the fight with 445HP. I left with 30

[dull whale]

Daaaaamn big HP run too
It do be like that

[tribal yew]

I took 15 damage fighting Rivals Hecate because I screwed up a couple dashes

[dull whale]

Right she'll clip you that way for sure

[verbal hinge]

i went into rivals scylla with 125 and left with 3

[teal pewter]

idk how to dodge rivals hex

[verbal hinge]

i only had fangs 2 on tho, no other fear

idk why anybody wants to dodge hex it's so easy to juke as a critter

[tribal yew]

Best bet if you have Frinos is lure it into him. Otherwise you have to keep dashing back and forth on the same angle so when the nasty surprise happens, you can keep dodging

[verbal hinge]

people say they use frinos just to block the hex and what???

[tribal yew]

Yeah, Frinos can block the hex in normal and Rivals. Hecate even has voice lines for it

[verbal hinge]

you give up on gale blocks and raki crit crit just to block a hex?

[tribal yew]

No. I just wanted to be chonky. The curse block is a bonus

[teal pewter]

oh nvm it's literally just dash side to side

[verbal hinge]

aah yeah
the hp is a++

i think i could do a judgement run with frinos

[tribal yew]

To be more specific, dash back and forth in a line parallel to how the curse flies toward you initially

[verbal hinge]

7 times
i find up and down easier than side to side

and you don't even have to sprint just tap dash when it comes at you there's plenty of time

[teal pewter]

well, i meant dash through the initial hex till it goes away

[tribal yew]

It depends on which hex she picks. If she does homing bullet spam or lunar ray? I will sure as hell try to dodge. Most others I'll take the hit and just run around

[verbal hinge]

i mean specifically the polymorph that you don't have to dodge
ofc dodge everything else

[tribal yew]

That's what I mean too. If she picks a weak curse for her invuln phases? I just facetank the polymorph

If she picks a nasty one like the ones I mentioned? I'll dodge it because losing the ability to dash can mean a ton of guaranteed damage

[teal pewter]

you can dash through the lasers tho

[verbal hinge]

hecate is just disgusting design

how can you go from invulnerability shield to split into multiple beings without any time to hit you inbetween

[dull whale]

Yeah those iframes she gets are fun lol

[tribal yew]

There is ACTUALLY a really good answer for that farther in the story. But I won't even hint at it here

[verbal hinge]

fair enough i'll be extremely happy if there's a textual reason for a boss design i abhor

then it's like.. allowed.

[tribal yew]

It's a pain in the tail, don't get me wrong. But they do at least explain why

[teal pewter]

it is allowed for a good reason

[verbal hinge]

ok i've maxed everything i use, and death, because i'll need that eventually to finish fate lists

do i need to max the entire arcana is there a quest for that?

[tribal yew]

Not specifically (that I remember anyway), but you still should. It's useful for other reasons later

[verbal hinge]

cool will do

[dull whale]

Nah just for convenience

[foggy sable]

who do I wanna use for Mel's staff?

[dull whale]

It's nice to have it all maxed in case you wanna use something down the line tbh

[verbal hinge]

yeah and as long as i'm doing piggie runs i guess having all cards maxed helps

[dull whale]

Oh definitely huge for that

[foggy sable]

god wise at least

[verbal hinge]

only fates and judgement left now

[teal pewter]

what is that rivals Scylla charge hitbox

[tribal yew]

pain

[restive pasture]

try dodging into it

[rotund hearth]

I used to hate Eris but going full romance with her makes me understand that deep down, she's really just a loser that needs a hug... And a therapist

[craggy totem]

I'm happy to have witnessed this out-of-game character arc for you

[restive pasture]

She's also like... strife incarnate. It would have been strange if she wasn't a brat

[rotund hearth]

Like she keeps acting angry the more I give her ambrosia but she'll show some sadness and I'll just be like "oh, you annoying cutie."

[rotund hearth]

It's also weird because sometimes she enjoys being strife but sometimes she's all "woe is me"

[opal cargo]

i can fix her

[craggy totem]

Well, they're both, right? Their domains and also them as personalities/people

You could argue, for example, that Moros doesn't seem to embody his domain as obviously as some of his siblings (though if you get far enough in his dialogues there's hints)

[rotund hearth]

I think moros does when he's outside the crossroads. But similar to Thanatos, his domain is more of a job. Whereas with Eris, strife is practically a lifestyle

First 12 fear run

[teal pewter]

oh right, 12 fear lets me grab the thing in final location

[craggy totem]

I think that particular thing is the only thing in the game that particularly made me feel like I did things out of order, haha. By the time I was doing Fear, I already didn't need any of those resources...

[tribal yew]

That is basically every single Greek god. Plus or minus varying degrees of "loser"

[teal pewter]

I really hate Tempii

[tribal yew]

The particular reason I say that is, when you start to ||unlock the keepsakes that trigger Fate's Whim||, it becomes possible to set up a high-risk, high reward arcana setup that will guarantee you have every useful arcana active by the final region, without the piggy.

[rotund hearth]

Rivals Hecate is a demon. I don't even wanna see the other rivals bosses

[tribal yew]

Funny thing is I'm apparently alone in this, but I think Rivals Chronos is one of the EASIER ones

[teal pewter]

tbh i only beat rivals chronos with moon water

[tribal yew]

The hardest is Typhon, no contest. But I'd probably put Cyclops as second hardest. Scylla if you're on Frenzy

[teal pewter]

eh, i find doggo harder than typhon

(rivals)

[craggy totem]

I feel like Rivals Chronos on his own might be..... survivable, but the problem is that I have to spend a bunch of resources fighting past the first three Rivals bosses 😩

It's kind of like the reverse problem compared to people saying they rank Rivals Hecate up there on account of having a weaker build when they have to fight her

[teal pewter]

depends on what hex she decides she uses in her add phases

[tribal yew]

Cerberus is nasty in Rivals, especially depending on which weapon you picked

[teal pewter]

i just beat rivals chronos with moros torches

[deft glacier]

What do I need to do to unlock the hidden aspects? I've got every base aspect in every weapon, but only the torch's hidden one.

[verbal hinge]

you guys notice how melting break says your special, not your specialS?

[deft glacier]

Special means your basic special, not the omega. Specials means both.

[tribal yew]

So...You have to have at least one aspect on the weapon maxed out that is NOT Melinoe's. Then ||You need to talk to the person who that weapon has an aspect named after. Charon for the axe for example. Until they give you the phrase to wake it.||

This might take you a few runs to get it to happen

[verbal hinge]

i know
i'm asking if everyone has noticed that this one specifies the singular

it's p sneaky because the weapon makes you use o special constantly so it's easy to assume that will apply the armour break too

[teal pewter]

so i have to ||speak to Nyx for the black coat?||

[craggy totem]

Is this a hammer or something? I don't even recognize the name of it, so it can't be something that I ever gun for

[tribal yew]

Nope. The other one.

[craggy totem]

It is possible to unlock all hidden aspects before completing the main story. This should help you answer the question of "who do I talk to"

[teal pewter]

cool, that makes more sense

[verbal hinge]

hammer for hel skull

[teal pewter]

oh well, surface runs it is then 😄

[tribal yew]

Okay, yeah, sorry. Everything I referenced in spoiler text can be done WITHOUT finishing the main story. So if you think it involves a postgame thing, it does not

I kinda forgot that ||Nyx shows up too once you clear the main story and she has an aspect||

For the coat, it's ||Selene you have to talk to. And she might have a bunch of dialogue to get through||

[craggy totem]

There's a second character this applies to as well, yeah

[tribal yew]

UGH, right...

||The skull is Medea's||...And have fun with THAT btw

[teal pewter]

||He who rebels against the gods|| - this refers to ||Prometheus||?

[tribal yew]

That took me so many runs to unlock. About as bad as when I was trying to unlock Raki and couldn't get the Erebus fountain room to show up

[restive pasture]

I wish that individual aspects had grave-(er) thirst

[teal pewter]

oh i need to beat up Chronos once more to do that incantation

[tribal yew]

Hippity Hoppity your sand is now my property

[teal pewter]

was funny when Chronos ignored your time slows

[tribal yew]

Was funnier when he could unpause the game in the normal fight 😛

[teal pewter]

yeah, that too. i remember casting an incantation to stop him from doing that

[cold lintel]

thank god he longer can do this

[cosmic ferry]

I'm kinda stuck on icarus relationship im 10 hearts in and hes reluctant to accept anything before we had more time to reconnect how do you advance its been so long I think its bugged?

[tribal yew]

I don't remember if that's the mark exactly, but there is a point where you need to trigger some surface run convos to advance

[cosmic ferry]

its not triggering or its taking too long supergiant should fix this holy

I met him like more than 10 times and he says some random thing and goes away

[craggy totem]

He's extremely shy

[solid cradle]

||if I go to find the fates and don't use Moros' keepsake in a tartarus chamber does it still count or do I have to start over||

[cosmic ferry]

yeah too much lol

[craggy totem]

Reread the entire prophecy, if you're in Tartarus already you have already missed one of the instructions

[teal pewter]

oh so this happens if you have no valid boon choices from a god

[craggy totem]

Are you running Denial lol

[solid cradle]

oh I meant asphodel mb lmao

[teal pewter]

(doing heartache trial)

[craggy totem]

Ah, Asphodel also breaks it, yes. It's a different region. Bad luck, sorry 😩

[solid cradle]

unfortunate

I got an asphodel chamber once every leap year and this is the one time I get it 😭

[teal pewter]

i need more stardust for more treats

[zenith edge]

I'm a huge Scylla and the Sirens fan! When are they going to have a US tour??

I'd seriously go!

[oblique hemlock]

paused recently during his fight and he made such a snarky comment it was awesome lol

something to the effect of “sure, I’M the titan of time but you can take however long you want”

[teal pewter]

pretty sure he has a quote about a bathroom break

[opal cargo]

There is no way Scylla and the Sirens play the US right now. It's not safe here

[foggy sable]

what keepsake is the 5th one on the last row?

I know that ||3 of them are post-game, but there should be one i can get now||

[teal pewter]

I think that is ||Medea's||

[foggy sable]

surprised i havent gotten that one yet

I guess that isnt happening this run.. I dont have any nectar

[tender oracle]

can we get a patch to prevent ||asphodel from showing up the chamber after you survive doom or smth||

[swift flare]

If u count from the left, yes

Count from the right would be ||Icarus||

[foggy sable]

wait does the broker restock after a chaos trial?

[tender oracle]

yes

[teal pewter]

i am out of bones D:

[tender oracle]

it's toula time

[craggy totem]

Grave that thirst

[teal pewter]

does Buried Treasure boost grave thirst?