h2-discussion

[buoyant matrix]

and summons tanky ads while going invulnerable 😤

[jagged dirge]

while summoning small stupid dumb minions oh wait you already got that

[slim pike]

and punches on screen

[jagged dirge]

wait does mega satan scream as well

[slim pike]

roars, has a massive breath attack

[buoyant matrix]

he does evil laughs

[keen tartan]

and wasn't the dragun from enter the gungeon also the same concept

[jagged dirge]

oh im not sure but i do remember seeing the bossfight so yeah i think so

[keen tartan]

game is ragebaiting me at this point, i did 2 surface runs with the staff equiped trying to talk to circe, only for her to not show up, then did another run with knives and she immediately shows up

[jagged dirge]

oh why are you trying to talk to her with the staff equipped?

[hallow vault]

Heracles makes me feel Weird Things Help

[buoyant matrix]

wait until you have to do odysseus quest, it gets even worse 🤑

[thin laurel]

at least you can do a lot of his in chaos trials
idk if ||circe shows up in them, did her during a normal run||, but the other two I did w chaos trials. much less painful

[jagged dirge]

saying that with a Prometheus pfp makes this funnier lol

[hallow vault]

That Voice plus that body man

That Design too lol

[buoyant matrix]

i love how prom casually refers to herc as "man" it's so unlike his formal attitude and it's always funny

[keen tartan]

Prometheus i hate as a boss fight, wdym i actually have to lock in and pay attention to simon says or else i get oneshot

that attack was so insane i forgot im only in area 3 and he isn't the final boss

[slim pike]

That's the easiest part to do without getting hit ironically

[keen tartan]

it kinda has to be considering the dmg it deals

[slim pike]

protip, don't try to remember the whole pattern, select one safe lane each time and remember just that

[prisma monolith]

Both are roguelikes, let's not forget dead cells giants 🫣

[jagged dirge]

yknow if your dps is good enough the simon says part can easily take up more than 50% of Prometheus' fight

[keen tartan]

game is even nice enough to make the minions leave when he does that attack

[jaunty basin]

I will equip the plasma boons on hel aspect and you cannot stop me

[slim pike]

double protip, if you take Enfeeblement of Cowards and Hard Target, you can just dodge the flames on reaction, lol

[slim pike]

Not played the harder version of that fight yet, heheheheh

[jaunty basin]

enfeeblement with high rarity hard target is hilarious

[prisma monolith]

Triple profit, just learn the default timing and dodge the flames

[slim pike]

not spoiling anything, you need to find out

[jaunty basin]

projectiles just don't move, and Medea paints a crayon smudge on the floor instead of a pentagram

[hallow vault]

||Unless there is the Big man Spinning around like a Beyblade||

[slim pike]

shhhhh!

[jagged dirge]

shhhh we cant let him know

[slim pike]

I know this isn't a spoiler chat, but let Renren find out the hard way

[keen tartan]

i haven't tried any rivals yet, I'll probably do that after beating the game

[hallow vault]

Yeah fun Moment

[slim pike]

yeah, suffice to say there's some revealing moments for hard bosses

[hallow vault]

I was Like that one Dog cooked GIF when i walked in 😭😭

[jagged dirge]

i cant wait for you to have a very horrible slight inconvenience for Prometheus

[slim pike]

maximally they move at 0.24x speed and have the same lifespan, it's so silly

[keen tartan]

can you get more than 3 Athena death defiances if for example you also lose the lucky tooth and cat defiances

[slim pike]

it should give you a DD for every empty DD you have... so yeah, actually, it should

there used to be this odd "exploit" back when Toula's DD was only 40hp where you'd deliberately lose it and then buy a full DD to replace it, it's still in the game iirc

[keen tartan]

oh cool, if i ever feel comfortable going through Olympus with no DD I'll just lose them early

[slim pike]

just that toula's DD is just better now and 80hp is actually really good

[slim pike]

but why though?

[keen tartan]

is the athena dd not better than the toula one

[slim pike]

normal DDs only become better than toula's at 200 or more hp

[keen tartan]

ah good to know

[slim pike]

I guess renewed faith gives more % for each DD, but like...

just keep them all and take stalwart defiance maybe, unless it kills your build

[keen tartan]

btw when do i unlock the boons section of my book

and which gods/npcs should i prioritise giving gifts to

[slim pike]

Second nectar to that god

[prisma monolith]

You prioritize anybody you haven't gifted yet, and you unlock the boon section by gifting the gods one nectar

[keen tartan]

ah time to farm nectar i guess

[prisma monolith]

Wait is per god?

I thought it was an incantation thay released them all

[slim pike]

I think so

basically you want to hand out the honey to everyone whenever you can

[prisma monolith]

Well but early on nectar is scarce so you wanna do 1 to everyone

For their keepsake

[thorny plaza]

hey y'all do we know if there are conditions to making the ||infernal contract|| appear in the shop? I got it twice and suddenly I can't get it to appear

[prisma monolith]

Is a random chance on midshops

[thorny plaza]

no need for fear or anything like that?

[humble urchin]

nope, just luck and taking the midshop whenever it’s offered

[thorny plaza]

in any area that has a midshop yeah? both surface and underworld

[warm dust]

it's just really rare even in midshops

[thorny plaza]

okiii

[prisma monolith]

Yes, aka erebus, oceanus, thessaly and olympus, the midshop on fields is a myth, dont let the council fool you

[rough horizon]

It exists, but afaik only appears in very specific occasions

[prisma monolith]

And yes is still rng, so even if you go to both midshops it might not spawn

[prisma monolith]

Such as?

[rough horizon]

Chaos Trials and the final story run

[prisma monolith]

See, isn't real, dont let the council fool you

[buoyant matrix]

the fields midshop is considerably more real than olympus

[prisma monolith]

This cant be a real statement

Am I that lucky? I get the olympus midshop every other run, matter of fact that's where I find the contract the most

[swift mason]

https://imgur.com/a/6QOZh7x

first time this happens to me lol

[prisma monolith]

Hell yeah, get that cash

[lyric quartz]

I’m zzaaa’d out of my mind now because I take Sea Star every time

“Haha yes!”

[swift mason]

I'm sure how people feel about Selene here but they say she's useless in reddit and as much as I tried to understand why, I can't. If you focus on her you can get some really broken builds

I'd only ignore her if I see her very mid late game

[hearty fog]

Do not listen to Reddit, generally.

[prisma monolith]

For hades, or anything else

Selene depends on your weapon, are you using a lot of mana? Grab her, are you not? Probably best ignore her

[swift mason]

I just got the jump hex I got the double jump, activate rush boon, damage before jump, bigger damage area, faster after you jump, and damn it's fun

[swift mason]

I'm using moonstone axe rn, I do use alot of mana but my only source is a common glamour gain rip lol

[prisma monolith]

Its the fact thay she needs commitment, but it is very strong

[swift mason]

But I do have hecuba dropping some mana for me and I'm at 300 mana rn

[shell mist]

Unless i'm at Selene Coat, she is useless for me, my builds rarely incorporate Omega moves in major way,

[swift mason]

I love omega builds, sometimes I get so much mana and mana regen and barely spend it, so I usually build omega builds, specially with Axe specials with the double attack

[keen tartan]

i got every arcana in one run, a circe keepsake giving me judgement is funny

[swift mason]

My jump hex applying my hephestus rush boon 2 times each jump is crazy good

[rigid fulcrum]

I have Selene's arcana active, since it's pretty cheap to do.

Selene is just very good. Almost all of the hexes are amazing.

Doubly so if they're godsent.

[buoyant matrix]

coat as a weapon has a kit that's hard to utilize, and having to weave in omegas makes it even harder. selene is a good aspect, just hard to play and perform

oh wait you meant hexes as a whole LOL nah they're pretty good, reddit is where intelligence goes to die anyway

[rigid fulcrum]

This is sagely advice right here at the end.

[buoyant matrix]

yeah yeah sure bro 😂 olympus midshop amirite fellas 😂 😂

[rigid fulcrum]

Surface midshops in general are a rare and exotic treat.

[jaunty night]

Purge that asap

[prisma monolith]

Im deadass serious

Thats the midshop I see the most

[hearty fog]

Olympus midshop is less common than Erebus or Oceanus, but I think it's more common than Thessaly or the Fields.

[prisma monolith]

Guess I should f10 that then

[hearty fog]

Well, everything is more common than the Fields midshop.

[buoyant matrix]

i was joking about fields midshop being real
but I genuinely can't remember the last time i got the olympus midshop

and i do remember the last time i got fields midshop (final underworld story run) soooo

[slim pike]

midshop in fields can exist in very specific circumstances

[plucky dew]

i never go to midshop in fields, i want those boons

[slim pike]

there isn't one normally

if echo is allowed to spawn, she will always replace it

only in specific chaos trials and story events will echo be prevented from spawning, and the shop appears in her place

[plucky dew]

hmm ig its way less common than i think it is

[dry moon]

the more I do high heat the more I think VoR is just badly designed....

[slim pike]

surface or underworld?

[granite wigeon]

Come to think of it heph blast boons benifit more from later levels than earlier ones

[dry moon]

Scylla and Cerb, everything else is not hard.

[slim pike]

have you learned not to punch cerberus while he's got his arms up?

[dry moon]

Yeah and how to dodge the slam swipe behind afterwards

[slim pike]

he counter-barrages with fireballs if he blocks something

[buoyant matrix]

cerberus is fine, scylla i can understand

[slim pike]

Scylla is "don't just run right at roxy and get pray for an early kill"

[dry moon]

also Eris, although easy, is just kinda BS with certain weapons

[slim pike]

the water spouts will ruin your day

[dry moon]

Eris is the only one where you have to predict where she goes with certain weapons or cast builds

[buoyant matrix]

for those of us who played her ea versions, she's fine now too 😂

[slim pike]

hahaha, the original shotgun attack ahhhhh

[buoyant matrix]

dot builds like blitz and scorch suffer against her, you need some burst

[dry moon]

She just moves too much for like cast builds or something

[plucky dew]

cerberus still the rival fight i take most dmg against, prob cause i greed for uptime too much

[buoyant matrix]

cerb is just the "lock tf in" fight

[slim pike]

I don't think he's ever killed me

[buoyant matrix]

don't greed, don't panic, don't lose focus and you're golden

[granite wigeon]

Bruh that one is so annoying lol

[buoyant matrix]

he's rarely killed me in 62 runs

[granite wigeon]

Sorch is fine imo, especially the duo with demiter

Blitz as well, you want the one that activates on omega anyway, otherwise blitz is just unusable in general

[buoyant matrix]

this one is just factually wrong lol?

[slim pike]

Blitz is like, the best thing

[dry moon]

yeah blitz is really good

[thin laurel]

ngl half the time I absolutely greed
I shouldn't but I'm rarely punished for it, he's just such a big target 😔 how can I resist...

[granite wigeon]

Blitz dps is poop if you just wait the duration lol

[dry moon]

Its not like I die to them a lot, its just as I'm pushing more and more heat, I just find them annoying compared to VoR Typhon or Chronos

[thin laurel]

...but you never do that? blitz pops if you deal 120 damage
if your DPS is good enough it pops constantly
you don't need the "omegas trigger it" boon to trigger it fast

[granite wigeon]

I didn't know blitz procks on dmg lol

[jaunty night]

Read the description lol

[thin laurel]

if I'm remembering right it used to only proc on damage and never automatically lol, but yeah if you deal damage fast through other sources it procs constantly, blitz is kinda absurdly op

[slim pike]

that is right, yes

when you force blitz to proc it takes 0.5 seconds and this blocks a new blitz being applied in this time

so there is an incentive to spread it to different enemies a lot, but yeah

the fact it can turn some 20 base power hit to deal +200 damage is crazy good

[limpid oar]

Blitz is everything wounds wish they could be

[granite wigeon]

I like wound

[limpid oar]

Mel: Ares, can we have Blitz?
Ares: We have Blitz at home
Blitz at home: Wounds

[thin laurel]

zeus rly stole doom from ares and made it better, and then ares got stuck with reverse doom but worse...

[granite wigeon]

The base damage increase from aries I like since you can get multiplicative damage from other stuff

[thin laurel]

it's nice in theory, the cooldown is just annoying and there's no way around it 🤷 +50 power once every 3 seconds per enemy is fine but could be a lot better. not that it's awful, just... I rly feel that cooldown lol
I love secondary effects related to wounds tho, grievous blow and heinous affront are fun af

[granite wigeon]

I think I like aries boons in general a bit better than Zeus

[rigid fulcrum]

Ares is pretty good really.

[thin laurel]

I mean, def experiment with zeus more now that you know how blitz works better

[rigid fulcrum]

I don't think there's a bad god honestly.

[thin laurel]

I like ares still, I just think I kinda burnt out on him after playing almost nobody else during the patch he got introduced lol
never mad to see him but I don't actively reroll for him when I play rerolls these days

[granite wigeon]

Aphro

[plucky dew]

i can kill him now but still the hardest rival for me
normal dog is very easy tho

[proper remnant]

does the 3 sec cooldown include the animation?

[rigid fulcrum]

Aphrodite is great.

[thin laurel]

I like aphro a lot, yeah. I don't take her attack or special much but that's just because I like range more than melee, I love glamour gain and a lot of her secondary boons

[granite wigeon]

I think aphro is kinda dog, the duo with hepth seems good though

[thin laurel]

and when forced to play mel axe or w/e I take flutter strike, it's not like it's bad lol. love island getaway too

[rigid fulcrum]

Her attack and special have the biggest damage boost out there, so they're nice with the weapons that can benefit from it.

[prisma monolith]

Reading? Im a gamer pal

[rigid fulcrum]

Glamour gain, while being weak magick regen, lets you apply a curse for free. She's got health buffs, a great set of damage amp effects... She's great.

[prisma monolith]

Glamor gain is fantastic for everything except the gain part

[granite wigeon]

Glamour gain gives so little mana

[covert badge]

bro if ur the real gamer you shouldnt play this game in the first place its too woke

[rigid fulcrum]

Yeah, but it applies Weak, which is huge.

[prisma monolith]

How do I play the game while sleeping, I need to wake up

[rigid fulcrum]

If you're not on a high mana build, it's free real estate.

[prisma monolith]

Im hella woke

[granite wigeon]

Weak is good but you have to rely on it for mana, so you would have to run a low mana build

[slim pike]

use it with than and some attack curse, free origination

[rigid fulcrum]

It's still fine in lower mana builds, which are often the builds you run.

[thin laurel]

yeah, even the magick regen isn't awful, it's enough to sustain weapons with moderate magick usage imo

[rigid fulcrum]

Yeah, just don't use it in omega spam builds and it's fine.

[tall lagoon]

guys do the things required for the repeatable recipies ever stop saying needed for other uses when exchanging for kudos? cuz i swear ive done everything and theres still stuff , and amongst those snake reed and garlic, and i cant figure out what its needed for and i wanna sell them

[slim pike]

it's more that glamour gain is a "regen", which means it gets hard paused when channelling and shortly after using any mana

[thin laurel]

the only annoying thing is wanting to take it for origination on a no magick build but then it turns off huntress lol. which ig is fine if you prime out or just give up on huntress but is a shame

[slim pike]

it can be awkward with huntress, yeah

[rigid fulcrum]

There's downsides for sure. But it's still solid.

It's enough to sustain a lot of Ygnium builds and provide weak at the same time, while still being in huntress mode.

[slim pike]

the game has a marker on resources you might still need when you're at the broker

[slim pike]

the torches keep using omegas and killing mana regen

makes glamour gain a poor choice unless you're using Eos or Supay

[rigid fulcrum]

Yeah, but it's usually still enough to keep it going for most encounters.

[candid bay]

Ok, Holy profile match you did there, IT FITS SOOOOO PERFECTLY

[slim pike]

more your mana cap doing that

[tall lagoon]

yesim well aware im saying ive done everyincantation (lloked it up) and every propehcy (looked it up) and some things STILL say needed resource and its NOT only things for the repeatable recipies

[thin laurel]

I think glamour gain is currently my second most used gain boon actually, after born...? idk, I like it a lot. I don't take it on Moros or Mel torches tho, that sounds rough, and I don't like gain boons on those weapons which get worse with more channel speed (i.e. cardio)

[tall lagoon]

thank u ikr

[jagged dirge]

yooo i just beat rivals ||chronos|| first try holy cow
i used up all three of my normal death defiances but i didnt use up my skelly defiance
i had a dodge/daze build with that duo boon that heals you if you dont get hit cause of it

[slim pike]

Give flood gain a go on the torches

you can go max fineline/ocean's swell and just spam for free

[rigid fulcrum]

I think Zeus gain is still my favorite one, but it's very much a me thing.

[candid bay]

It's so good that battle!

[thin laurel]

I think I have once or twice? the built in downtime makes me hesitant abt it tho

[slim pike]

Ionic gain is a weird one, it's never the best choice but it's never badbad either

[rigid fulcrum]

Or Apollo. Since it's just so much, and dropping casts is simple.

[slim pike]

Apollo is fire as of 1.0

[thin laurel]

it's my least favorite gain boon lol, not because it's bad but because I find the act of using it annoying I take it on no magick builds so I stop getting offered gains at all...

[misty isle]

dont know how to describe this, but does anyone else find hades 2 not as "satisfying" as hades 1 (gameplay wise)?
maybe it will get better as i get more upgrades but i dont remember hades 1 early game being this slow?

[rigid fulcrum]

Lucid gain is really mindless regen a lot.

[slim pike]

it will feel that way until you get used to it

[deft sail]

||how the hell do i get prometheus to speak about the three fates ive done so many runs||

[rigid fulcrum]

I like the Hades 2 playstyle a lot more really, personally. It vibes with me a lot more.

[slim pike]

has he run out of things to say?

[thin laurel]

I feel the opposite way, but it took a while for me to get used to!
It plays differently, they're similar games but the rhythm and style of hades 2 isn't identical. Once I got used to sprinting, using her cast, and the way Mel's aresenal plays I ended up liking it more, but it took a bit to be fully sold

[deft sail]

|| hes still going on about the beef he has with gods||

[jagged dirge]

it was a pretty fun fight but it did not feel as chaotic compared to when i saw the fight before this
maybe its the other vows making it that crazy

[thin laurel]

chaos trials are a good way to burn through boss dialogue faster than doing full runs! since you can skip all the other regions

[deft sail]

ty for this

[jaunty basin]

Moros is refusing to speak it on my end

[covert badge]

h2 0/10 no hunting blades bad game

[simple sierra]

I'm always a little scared to take born gain even tho I know I'll rarely ever bottom out and know when I'm running a build that would (I see you, possessed array 👀)

[deft sail]

you need to max his bond if im not mistaken , take it with a grain of salt as im not sure
but thats when i got it

[thin laurel]

I finally finished up the od prophecy today, which was nice... still have arachne to finish up, + bonds with athena and dio, but then I'm p much done finally (and can focus on pushing fear and casual speedrunning ig lol)

[slim pike]

Hostile environment and meat grinder. Be the hunting blades

[covert badge]

its just ares call tho

[thin laurel]

hostile environment meat grinder and mom skull for the FULL ares call experience where you're also invulnerable <3

[slim pike]

Err. Howling sould and meat grinder then

[thin laurel]

hm. does howling soul + meat grinder stick to enemies- oh lol same thought

[slim pike]

Yes

[thin laurel]

prominence flare stays in one place while meat grinder follows you/the enemy, right...? or am I misremembering

[covert badge]

god thatd be so ass build lemme try lmao

[thin laurel]

I remember being confused at why they behave differently with hostile environment, but maybe I'm thinking of something else

[slim pike]

Meatgrinder is parented to the cast until the cast expires

prominence flare is just spawned where the cast expired

there's no cast left to stick it to

[thin laurel]

makes sense, just feels kind of odd to use when you aren't expecting the interaction lol

[slim pike]

they kinda had to make it do that

[thin laurel]

although idk, I've run hostile environment <5 times total so in general it always feels a bit odd to get used to when I have it

[slim pike]

Meat grinder is a pre-req for hostile environment, so it makes sense for it to interact

[slim pike]

fun fact, HE was originally how Local Climate worked, (With less of a bonus)

[thin laurel]

I do remember that! Used that boon pretty rarely too

I think it was changed in warsong with the introduction of Ares...? so I only got one patch with the old local climate

[slim pike]

yeah

far more interesting than frost vortex

yet sort of being a callback to it, since you can stack arctic gale on meatgrinder

[granite wigeon]

Im put off by cast builds because of having to hold q (I don't have the thumb buttons, ig I can bind it to the scroll wheel though)

[slim pike]

mmm, you do really want it on your right hand so you have full movement control while channelling

especially with the messenger

[jaunty basin]

kb/m is the first mistake

[granite wigeon]

Skull

[jaunty basin]

though also a glorious model O eternal has the default two side buttons and is cheap high quality mouse

[granite wigeon]

Keyboard is very much so the best input device

[jaunty basin]

I'd have to try it but I don't see it for these games

[slim pike]

it's good for torches

[jaunty basin]

it's the dark souls thing where the games are designed according to what a controller can do and is limited by

[granite wigeon]

Keyboard is also good for fighting games, kinda similar idea to those controllers

[jaunty basin]

so a controller is more natural

[slim pike]

keyboard with good anti-ghosting, yeah

[jaunty basin]

hall effect keyboard

might buy one eventually, got a 150 dollar keyboard two years ago though so too early to switch

plus I have new switches and keycaps on the way from AliExpress already

[granite wigeon]

Swedish mouse emoji

[jaunty basin]

[ripe kindle]

I like the way hades 2 plays a lot more it's way easier on my hands

[granite wigeon]

Är du svenne

[jaunty basin]

sadly

[ripe kindle]

h1 is very hectic high apm combat h2 feels a lot more methodical

[jaunty basin]

scania moment

[granite wigeon]

New Bagdad more like

[jaunty basin]

h1 you can clear most of the game by facerolling controller buttons, hades 2 not nearly as much

that's the whole nation though

[round token]

can fair trades happen in trails?

[jaunty basin]

if you mean nemesis showing up then likely yes but very unlikely or determined to happen by the trial. can't say she's shown up for me though

[prisma monolith]

What

[slim pike]

nemesis trades

[granite wigeon]

I sometimes see nem in the shop also but the never buys anything

[rigid fulcrum]

Yeah, because I keep taking all her gold :3

[granite wigeon]

She says to get in line, but nothing is stopping me from grabbing everything lol

[granite wigeon]

Me when 19 hp for 100 smth gold

[prisma monolith]

She gives you time to get your stuff

I remember at first shed buy stuff before you even walked to the shop xd

But if you take long she will buy something

[granite wigeon]

I remember nem taking a major reward path in crossroads before but lately I haven't see it

[prisma monolith]

She does that all the time too

[slim pike]

She will eventually, but takes a while

she's facing the item she'll eventually buy

[prisma monolith]

^

Devs just made her take a while to give you time to think and buy

[slim pike]

"Oh come on!" if you buy what she was considering

or similar

still gotta think fast if she's able to steal a room exit you might want

[deft sail]

omg i love you so much , i got the dialogue finally

[icy halo]

Did they completely remove Medea actually poisoning Poly's attacks in Surface Rivals 1? Or was I just lucky and killed him quick enough before that happened?

[slim pike]

it's still in game

he has to get hit by a medea attack in some way

[icy halo]

Huh, just lucky then!

[slim pike]

did you get a projectile-slowing effect?

[icy halo]

Glad they didn't take it out, I missed it in that encounter 😄 And no, I didn't get any projectile slowing

[unkempt scroll]

Did I seriously become Night's Champion before even knowing what godsent hexes were

[slim pike]

ah okay, that does make it less likely for him to get poisoned

[icy halo]

It's SO fun breaking progression

I have Dad's spear before I have any more familiars than Frinos 😆

[prisma monolith]

How is that breaking progression

There's not really a linear way, you get whatever happens depending on what you do

[slim pike]

doing things in a slightly bonkers order

[jaunty basin]

I'm approaching 90 runs and still haven't gotten godsent hexes unlocked

[icy halo]

The entire point of Eris curses is because they intend you to experience the story at a certain pace

[jaunty basin]

either I'm doing something very wrong or selene just really dislikes me

[prisma monolith]

And that's it, just eris, for the first 10 runs

[icy halo]

And it's very fun telling Eris to get stuffed and doing things in silly ways and orders anyway

[jaunty basin]

no the point of those is to be toxic and annoying

[prisma monolith]

And even with eris you had ways to avoid her

[jaunty basin]

much like the unrivaled 4 not allowing you to pause the game without an incantation

[prisma monolith]

Kid named alt tab 😭

[round token]

why is rival eris easier to fight then the normal version

[jaunty basin]

ik

[icy halo]

Let me have my fun Carrot

[jaunty basin]

it's just as easy to avoid her in each but rivals has higher per hit damage so you get chipped down more

[thin laurel]

she likes to be unexpected, idk
it's weird tho, idt they intended it to be easier but a lot of people feel that way

[prisma monolith]

Erm sure man, whatever rocks your boat

[covert badge]

bro wants her getting super soaker build and hitstun mel on wall to death

[icy halo]

And be less weirdly patronising about it lol

[thin laurel]

imo rivals eris is only harder if your build REALLY sucks at popping the lucifer bombs lol, and even then her actual attacks are easier to dodge and have less variety, idk

[prisma monolith]

No one is patronizing, if you dont want people commenting on your stuff perhaps dont share then?

[round token]

the boms pop eachother, you can dash hit one and dip

[thin laurel]

I mean yes ik, they can just be annoying to deal with if you have no range once the safe area is small
I don't struggle w the fight, that's just the only scenario I can imagine where rivals eris would take more effort than her normal fight 🤷

but also most of my favorite weapons are very good at dealing w lucifer lol, I like range and cast builds and those are just extreeeemely safe in that fight

[ripe kindle]

The aspect swap is just flavor the real difficulty boost is the arena being thin

[prisma monolith]

I too find vor eris easier than regular

[thin laurel]

it's very flavorful, I just find the lucifer beams easier to deal with than the other aspect tbh. they have way fewer attack patterns, so the arena shape is more difficult but eris herself is kinda easier

[ripe kindle]

They should've given her clockets

[bronze marlin]

waking up and humming scylla songs, help.
I think I'm gonna get drowned soon 🎵

[round token]

i "main" black coat wich is arguably horrible at popping them

and the fight is still easier. attacks are 50x easier to read/dodge

[fiery dew]

See, I thought that for a little while - but then I went back to level 1 VoR after fighting VoR Eris a couple of times. VoR is definitely harder and it's not even close. But neither are that difficult. They hurt like a b*tch if you get hit, but most moves are fairly easy to dodge.

[tall lagoon]

i geniunely can not find a single use for moss garlic and snake reed, ive done it all max rank all decors all pets all inantations all prophecies im tweaking

[ripe kindle]

Snakereed is one of the familiar forms i think

[tall lagoon]

i also have that im cooked

[ripe kindle]

Oh wait no
it's one of the song guy things

[thin laurel]

it's definitely something since no resource is marked as still needed for me, hmm....
tbh idk if there's a reliable list of every prophecy + decoration, the wiki is very out of date

[storm glen]

how do you have EVERY DECOR

[tall lagoon]

i mean i guess there could be locked decor i havent found.. but ive bought everything i can

[ripe kindle]

the musician guy

[tall lagoon]

all songs im afraid

[fiery dew]

Also I have been hoarding Gemstone forever waiting for a use for them. It was just yesterday I found out their only use is to trade for Kudos lol.

[thin laurel]

are all your relationships maxed?
ik a lot of those unlock more decor

[tall lagoon]

yes../,./.

[ripe kindle]

If you didn't start a new save when 1.0 dropped sometimes it just gets stuck and you just have to ignore it

[thin laurel]

HM. god what else even costs resources... decor, familiar forms, songs, aspects, arcana, incantations...... not ranks...

[tall lagoon]

i did start new 😭 im cooked vro

[icy halo]

Man, I always underestimate Eris on +speed vow, to my severe detriment

[thin laurel]

I feel like the most likely thing is some decor or incantation which isn't unlocked for you yet for some obscure reason, but idk where to find a complete list to check

[tall lagoon]

yea i gyess so , thanks anyway

[icy halo]

Rough enough on level 1 that I'm getting used to again, not looking forward to when I push it up to 2!

[thin laurel]

oh actually wait I can see completed incantations in-game lol, and if I no longer have those marked as needed... 1 sec

[thin laurel]

can I dm you screenshots of my list of incantations to cross-reference...?

[ripe kindle]

it doesn't tell you what completed incants use

[thin laurel]

yes but if I've completed an incant Vanya hasn't unlocked at all then that's a clue

[tall lagoon]

i looked it up on the wiki and the only incantation i didnt have was one about picking up multiple trash at the same time but im under the impretion its not in the game anymore but feel free to correct me

[thin laurel]

the wiki is very likely out of date tho
also that incantation is in the game I did it recently lol

[tall lagoon]

ok i do not have that,

[thin laurel]

ok I have completed 86 incantations total

[tall lagoon]

160 runs no trash pickup 🔥

ill count ty hold on

[ripe kindle]

wait what are you missing i can just dig the game files for a list

[jaunty basin]

it is

[tall lagoon]

im 85 so its the trash one , but theres no way it needs moss , snake reed and GARLIC .... right.........

[jaunty basin]

romance eris and you'll get it along the way

[buoyant matrix]

have you saluted twice to the hades statue next to the garden? where icarus always stand

[tall lagoon]

ive romanced her and sexd her like 40 runs prior

[jaunty basin]

does

[tall lagoon]

not that i remember?

[buoyant matrix]

you have to pick up a ton of trash from her, not advance relationship

[tall lagoon]

HOW MANY BRO

[buoyant matrix]

then do that too, salute it twice and you'll unlock something new to buy next run

[prisma monolith]

Wait really? What do you unlock

[buoyant matrix]

idk but it unlocks something

[prisma monolith]

I saluted that once only when I unlocked it

[thin laurel]

also
decor:
music - 52
taverna - 41
tent - 36
central - 53
training - 33
if you want to check those, idk if it's worth the effort, and tbh I may be missing some too since idt I've done the salute thing (I think???). but no resource is marked as needed for me rn

[tall lagoon]

ill check it out i went to die after saluting

[round token]

WHY IS VOR CYCLOPS 4X HARDER THEN ||TYPHON||

[prisma monolith]

Trippin

[ripe kindle]

use the fountains

[tall lagoon]

HELL;O??? I JUST DIED ONCE AND GOT THE TRASH THING WAT

[thin laurel]

HUH

[tall lagoon]

ok ok ok guys it needed moss and garlic now i only have blasted SNAKE . REED.

[bronze marlin]

and run away to the sides once poly get's a shield to not get poisoned 50 times

[thin laurel]

also that I just disagree with lol
rivals poly is hard at first but becomes pretty easy once you learn the fight 🤷 imo
for me it's one of the easiest rivals fights overall, maybe only harder than eris. diff ppl find different things hard but you can learn it and it becomes not that bad, fr

[buoyant matrix]

salute the hades statue and die again!

[thin laurel]

trying to remember what on earth snake reed is even used for... I feel like I did need it for something new in 1.0...?

[loud osprey]

Agreed, Vow polyphemus has really telegraphed attacks so it just feels easier to me, though I get why he’s a terror, poison spooky

[ripe kindle]

snakereed is in
Wagon, Soothsayer's (i think)
Green Hand of Gaia
Greatest Gift of Gaia
Path to Desired Blessings
Aspect of Hel (lol?)

Just double check all of those

[loud osprey]

Eris, is weirdly easier than her base counterpart, especially if you have decent aoe to deal with the orbs

[tall lagoon]

what is a wagon, decor?

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[thin laurel]

central area decor, south of cauldron

[tall lagoon]

HAS to be it ill look after ded

[ripe kindle]

Yeah it just has a lot of visuals that are hard to keep track of while you're learning the fight

[tall lagoon]

how did you get this info even

[ripe kindle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1247749859612688458/1427616961826787418/image.png?ex=68ef8367&is=68ee31e7&hm=8897d34ca2c145190945df7878d349c7c39f2dfc9e051bba56d1abf5fcdf0f6e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1890&height=1503

[tall lagoon]

a

[thin laurel]

rivals poly also has the self inflicted debuff of "I rly like this sax solo, damn, I want to listen to thi- oh wait right I'm in a boss fight" 😔
(jk that mainly makes me lock in more, love sightless shepherd tho)

[swift flare]

i feel all 6 weapons are fun to use this time, anyone wanna disagree?

[ripe kindle]

I associate poly with doomed city the most lol

[swift flare]

like, the fist weapon in Hades 1 is one of the best for heat climb etc?

[ripe kindle]

the 3rd phase trigger is so banger in all 3 of the ephyra tracks it's a shame that the poly fight is so short

[thin laurel]

I LOVE doomed city lol, it was my crossroads music for ages
I just love when the sax solo hits at 50% hp (in sightless shepherd)

[swift flare]

and tbh, i didn't expect the first 1.0 Max Fear is actually done with Mel staff, the default weapon

[ripe kindle]

I don't know how supergiant is so good at soundbites it's genuinely nuts

[buoyant matrix]

fist actually falls off bad around the 50 heat point

[swift flare]

oh yeah, ik Fist is the worst

[thin laurel]

what would you say is the worse h2 aspect for high fear? like 62 ig, or close to it, 67 is a different beast and one I'm less interested in

[tall lagoon]

i dont remember a THING from hades 1 ong

[plucky dew]

wait u can kill the orbs?

[buoyant matrix]

shiva or pan i think?

[tall lagoon]

any knife that isnt teh hidden one lol

[loud osprey]

Agreed, though personal preference skull is still my least favorite, but mostly because my depth perception still messes with my hitbox aim

[swift flare]

well, i can only judge with 32, which in Hades 1 it has to be fist and spear
so far, all are pretty decent and fun at 32 fear

[buoyant matrix]

mel and arty blades are good

[loud osprey]

….yes? They explode when you hit them, so attack them from range and they’ll explode on their own

[tall lagoon]

the torches are all giga boring for me except eos

[swift flare]

some aspects might be more annoying than others, but i just say mainly weapon

[bronze marlin]

I had the most trouble with the sword for 32 heat

[plucky dew]

that makes the fight even easier, i just stack them to the side and ignore them

[buoyant matrix]

sword was indeed the weakest, took me the longest to do 50 heat with too

[loud osprey]

I ran a nasty crit build with aspect of mel torches, combine with the omega builds on hera/ares/poseidon, some real nasty business

[thin laurel]

this.... makes sense to me yeah, magick hungry + slow wind up is rough
rip pan
shiva at least is incredibly fun, and maybe pan would be too I just remember how it used to feel and get annoyed </3

[tall lagoon]

i just dont enjoy holding down click for 20 mins

[loud osprey]

I guess that’s fair lol, though I do weave specials, it does help with focusing on dashes

[bronze marlin]

really can't think of a bad aspect in hades 2. I suck with the axe, but that's just me mashing attack too much and getting hit for no reason

[loud osprey]

Honestly, that’s one way to deal with them, but yeah I think vow eris is the easiest of all the vow fights tbh. She just can be sneaky if you mess up since her triple shot can combo you to death.

[loud osprey]

I mean, if you like mashing attack, I have to point out aspect of Than. Kill them before they kill you business right there

[bronze marlin]

I play all aspects, but yeah than is the good one for me :p

[tall lagoon]

does anyone else absolutely dread supay?? just me?

[cosmic ferry]

in what channel do I ask something that may be spoiler for the game?

[thin laurel]

yeah, than is great for attack spam
I don't like how Mel axe feels except dash strike (ideally w the right hammer), and same for Nergal without psychic whirlwind tbh, bonks ≠ dopmaine for me altho I get the appeal

[loud osprey]

I think #h2-story-discussion ? Should be the spoiler channel

[prisma monolith]

Just you bro

[prisma monolith]

Here is fine, just spoiler tag anything post 1.0

[thin laurel]

here is fine if it's about mechanics/gameplay/unlocks
spoiler mark it if it happens after the credits roll, otherwise you're fine

ah they're already typing in story discussion. hopefully it's a story question ig

[loud osprey]

Tbh, I think you would only use mel axe for a high hp build, like running aphro/ares for max double damage chance

[thin laurel]

that too, but even then I rly like dash strike lol, normal attacks just feel sluggish to me

ran this earlier and had a blast, for instance

[tall lagoon]

also can you ever rest at the bench

[thin laurel]

I read that and went "in silksong???" what bench do you mean
if it's a decoration probably no, Mel and Zag refuse to take breaks on screen unless it's for plot reasons lol

[tall lagoon]

the ones on the training thing

[prisma monolith]

No resting

[ripe kindle]

walking simulator is funny

[spare flare]

Do people know how many alternative arts for the arcana there are?

I currently have unseen, nocturnal, close aspect, distant aspect, hidden aspect, familiar, fearsome and fate-bound

[ripe kindle]

thats all of them

[loud osprey]

Tbf, after playing than, base axe in general is just slow haha

[spare flare]

Awesome, game completed then

[ripe kindle]

the axes don't feel good 2 me without psychic

[loud osprey]

To note, axe has definitely improved since early access, it used to be super annoying to attack properly cuz the game would prioritize dash attack.

[eager void]

how many prophecies do I have to complete to progress moros' romance?

[cosmic ferry]

||does anybody know what the schelemus thing that appears after you become nights champion mean in greek?||

[thin laurel]

replied in #h2-story-discussion to the best of my ability

[delicate echo]

Base axe feels like nem sword in hades 1

U only spam dash attack and special

[crystal fossil]

use omega attacks/specials too

[tall lagoon]

ok it was that after all, after any of yyou like completed the game fully , 32 fear max for me im not crazy , didyou just quit?

[quaint pulsar]

today i learned aparenalty ares is not that great of a god when it comes to his boons in 2, ive been alwasys grabbing him cuase i tought he was good

[thin laurel]

on Mel axe? I mean you can but it doesn't buff omega moves at all, so it's just giving you max hp at that point. I'd much rather use Charon for Ω specials or Nergal/Thanatos for Ω attacks

[tall lagoon]

i hate ares

[quaint pulsar]

i thought wounds was good with torches

[tall lagoon]

wounds is good with like big slow stuff

not that its good in general imo

[quaint pulsar]

fair fair idk im struggling with 24 fear mount olympus run and i kept thinking ares was the best way to get damage

[ripe kindle]

He's the weakest for raw dps but he's still good

[tall lagoon]

if you wanna metaslop do zeus attack aphro special but if you want to actually enjoy yourself just try out whatever the game gives and screw dice

[ripe kindle]

his secondaries and support boons are strong

[ripe kindle]

the new keepsakes are also metaslop

[quaint pulsar]

i havent done meta cause i enjoy the game but man im tempted cause i sturggle with olympus runs

[thin laurel]

ares is imo a great support god (grievous wounds, mutual destruction, etc) and has some good duos
wounds are okay but not great as a primary damage source
and then the two ways to fully invest in Ares are fun but not all that strong (blade duos + atk speed stuff)

[tall lagoon]

the new keepsakes are to help you progress story after you beat the game

[graceful badger]

You can easily get wound on your special and then a chance to do double damage with anything

[tall lagoon]

i guess , idk , just dont pick ares core boon 🕊️

[tranquil wren]

the new keepsakes may be meta but they're definitely a lot more fun since it's a lot more random

[tall lagoon]

i never ever used rerolls anyway no different for me

[quaint pulsar]

i also dont use rerolls, i dont like rerolls in rouges unless its issac

[thin laurel]

I find most things fun lol
using rerolls to set up a silly impractical meme build like king's ransom + zeus sprint (for sprint only I mean) is fun and not a thing pom is good for. full randomness is fun too

[ripe kindle]

It's very fun and i do like that it leans more into the roguelike aspect of the game that the original was pretty sorely lacking in

[tall lagoon]

i just am easy to please so even i f i HAVE dice ill see something decent and take it i end up not using a single one

[quaint pulsar]

for me its just like

[ripe kindle]

I don't think the force ur build and grind out the game with pure mechanics is necessarily bad design but it's less enjoyable to most ppl in a roguelike

[quaint pulsar]

how i see dice just make me self concious and like oh no could i have done better, i rather get whats thrown at me

[thin laurel]

tbh I think it varies a lot based on the player, h1 and h2 attracted a lot of players who weren't interested in roguelikes before or even actively disliked them 🤷 so being more roguelike-y isn't an automatically good thing for everyone

[tall lagoon]

i gen think 20ish fear and under any build works so theres really no need to force anything

[errant pawn]

what night is everyone on?

[thin laurel]

uhhh I mean I'm on one of my early access save files so. 292. but it would not take that long to complete the story lol I just like doing runs for fun

[jaunty night]

If I have dice you better believe I'm spending them all to get an epic boon instead of the rare version I could take rn

[analog cave]

why is Unseen Ire not in the Fated List for the boons of ||Hades||? i noticed a special animation showed when it appeared too but can't find anything on it

[prisma monolith]

What's unseen ire again

[analog cave]

https://hades2.wiki.fextralife.com/Unseen+Ire

[thin laurel]

brief invincibility + buffed damage window when hit once every 40 seconds

[analog cave]

it also had an extra line of flavour-text on the boon, can't remember what it said though

[prisma monolith]

Fextralife, the only thing worse than fandom, somehow

[analog cave]

mb mb

[prisma monolith]

That said, I think because it was added later,? Idk

[thin laurel]

I think it unlocks based on some sort of story progression
most run NPCs have a boon you unlock later, often via a quest or relationship level
unseen ire has existed for a long time, but iirc was changed to unlock later in the story...? used to just be default

[analog cave]

hmm maybe, that would make sense

[prisma monolith]

Every 40 seconds is pretty dookie, so nice of them to not force you to get it

[analog cave]

although i got this on my second visit only to him lol

[thin laurel]

afaik it's one of his better boons tbh, 5 seconds of invincibility and +70% damage or w/e it is is rather nice

[prisma monolith]

Really? That cooldown seems yucky to me

[gentle elk]

Hello i already ask a few time how to unlock the oath of Rivals 2 and at the time i havent encountered charibe. Buuut i beated her, hecate and poly again and nothing is happening... Is there something i missed ?

[prisma monolith]

40 seconds is a LONG cooldown for this game

[analog cave]

tbf it's only really intended for Chronos

[thin laurel]

you'll only get a couple procs vs bosses, but for room clear it's very strong and like. the moros keepsake gives 10 seconds of invincibility one time total, with no damage bonus, and is one of the best keepsakes in the game for DD builds
if you get 5 seconds twice in the boss fight that's p notable, even if it seems small. getting a damage window to just no care abt dodging and go ham is nice
also post-ending ||jpom can give it to you in room 1, + if you have it during the whole run you can trigger it a lot since the cooldown is per location, so it's like a shorter hydraulic might but universal damage instead of weapon damage, and with invincibility added on||

also tbh I assumed it was bad because of the cooldown but then I repeatedly heard ppl call it one of the best boons to get from hades lol so. idk, I get it after thinking abt it, short window but strong af effect

[prisma monolith]

But now that the keepsake exists, it changes meaning

[tidal socket]

How do you unlock the ‘great chaos below’ achievement? I did the trial, talked to chaos in another run as well but I still haven’t gotten the achievement

Hahahaha guess what, restarting the game worked lol, for some reason it didn’t count when playing

[elfin heron]

how can i find the 3 fate

[jaunty night]

Check the prophecies list

[lost arch]

i just unlocked moros torches and god they are strong

[shadow olive]

can you get nightmare in chaos trials? I mean, if I activate oath of the unseen and its the same as the area a chaos trial is in, would that work?

[prisma monolith]

Aren't chaos trials in a set fear, or rather no fear?

[shadow olive]

yeah, it seems the answer is no, I tried the time oath and there's no timer or fear in the trial

[prisma monolith]

Yeah trials are set

[fair patrol]

is thanos axe good

[lost arch]

to me thanatos axe looks like the only usable one but i hate the regular one because of the attack speed and i dont know if others do too

[prisma monolith]

Thanos, yes is very good

[fair patrol]

I am a witch but I wanna try axse

[prisma monolith]

Both brothers aspects are really good

[fair patrol]

underworld or overworld? I wanna try overworld cause i didn't do much

[vague siren]

i also like the aspect of nurgal (the hidden aspect of the axe)

[fair patrol]

also what's a good build for thanos axe

[lost arch]

right now the only aspect i have is moros torches bc torches are my favorite

[vague siren]

charon is also really powerful, though it also takes a lot of magik ofc. if you use the omega cast and then spam the omega special, you get more out of the cast

[prisma monolith]

Its thanatos 😭

[vague siren]

thats probs the best aspect for the torches save for the hidden aspect

[jaunty night]

Yeah! I love it

[lost arch]

actually i have eos too now that i think about it but i didnt like it

[prisma monolith]

Eos is ok

[jaunty night]

Invest in damage avoidance to keep the crit buff up, so get dodge, blocks, stuff like that

[vague siren]

ye, just like what Carrot said

[vague siren]

i mean, it can be good ig if you get Poseidon on the special and get another projectile for your specials

[jaunty night]

The suspiciously synergistic Apollo gain:

[vague siren]

true true

[vague siren]

forgot about that lol

[jaunty night]

Apollo gain is so busted if you use Charon or circe

[lost arch]

i like how broken the moros torches are early on my first fight with polyphemus with them he got melted

[vague siren]

yeah, you literally never loose mana lol

[dim plover]

How do you get Gloom?

[vague siren]

it was a lot worse in the early access from what i remember due to how the special worked (i might be wrong)

[lost arch]

i didnt have the game in early access i bought it on full release

[vague siren]

gloom?

[vague siren]

oh nice. yeah, i've got like, 150+ hours in the game XD

[dim plover]

That one object which leads you go to the surface

[lost arch]

also moros torches make origination much easier bc you use both the special and attack actively

[dim plover]

I'ts like a purple gem

[vague siren]

oh i think i know what you mean. you get that from chaos gates, though it is random

[vague siren]

very true

[dim plover]

Okay okay, thx

[vague siren]

also, it's called Darkness. for future referance

[dim plover]

Gotcha

[lost arch]

my plan without moros for origination was zeus/hera attack and hope for random apollo dash

[dim plover]

I have the game on Spanish, so I didn't know how to properly reference about it

[vague siren]

not bad idea, tho hestia on the torches is also good

[lost arch]

dont like it personally

[vague siren]

ah i see i see. makes sense why i was confused then. not ur fault ofc

[lost arch]

just generally dont like hestia attack

[winged geyser]

how's the translation?

[vague siren]

fair, scorch can feel slow. Poseidon is also good for damage. if you get the aspect of pan on the daggers, Poseiden is good on the specials

[winged geyser]

I'm curiousI'm from spain but I play it in english. How do they refer to Chaos?

[dim plover]

Penumbra

[lost arch]

also quick question do ares and hestia appear only on surface runs

[unreal temple]

If you're asking about the translation quality, it's honestly perfect

[vague siren]

no, once you unlock them, they will appear below as well (or they should. you might have bad luck lol)

[unreal temple]

Hades 1 spanish translation had a few really weird stuff but Hades 2 definitely improved

[vague siren]

also, literally any npc's you find, give them nector if you haven't already. you can get their talisman, which will help you greatly

[fair patrol]

I found a cat

[lost arch]

i didnt go underground after i got unraveling a fateful bond so i was just corious bc the build that i came up with used hera attack and hestia/hera duo boon

[winged geyser]

nice

[fair patrol]

what does the cat do

[runic glade]

Charon moon axe kinda tough to use it feels

[winged geyser]

do they use neutrals for chaos? 👀

[vague siren]

get apollo magik regen, use omega cast and then spam omega special

[vague siren]

gives you a really bad death defiance. if ur gonna use her, use her to get fish or for circe. also, you have to sprint into her to get her to attack

[daring current]

is there a way to make ||circe|| appear? like choose certain rooms or just pure rng

[jaunty night]

Sleeps

[runic glade]

Oh Apollo magick regen? I was using apro and I was always out of magic lol

[vague siren]

you should do both so that you can complete the story

[jaunty night]

Never use Aphrodite if you actually need magick

[lost arch]

ye im gonna go beat up chronos twice to get 4th and 5th z sand for the incant

[vague siren]

well, whenever you use your omega special, the omega cast will go off, refilling your magik. and also, what Pondie says. its not that great

[fair patrol]

where is the fifth trial in the pitch stone

[vague siren]

should do it to continue the story

[lost arch]

that too

[unreal temple]

At least from what I recall Chaos is just typically not referred to with any pronoun in the spanish translation, most of the times it's stuff like "Todopoderoso Caos" or simply "Caos"

[vague siren]

you kinda just unlock them over time. mainly with getting specific aspects of weapons

[vague siren]

just wondering, what arcana do you have unlocked?

[lost arch]

yes but seriously i dont have judgement and the epic boon one

[vague siren]

oh okay. thats fine then. judgements only if you wanna do a bit of a meme run

[vague siren]

pure rng

[fair patrol]

how good is artemis for siste rblades

[vague siren]

its fine? def not the best tho

[merry iris]

anyone know if for aspect of anubis unlock i need to have witch staff equiped when i talk to carci ?

[fair patrol]

how to build for mel blade?

[lost arch]

i run duo boons so making a full row of arcana isnt rly an option for me so the one that gives epic chance isnt rly useful but the main reason i dont have those two unlocked is because i dont care about ash much and if i have the option always pick bones for the moon dust

[prisma monolith]

no

[keen thunder]

Omg broker needs a “buy 100” button or something. I have to hit this button literally 1000 times to cash in my bones

[prisma monolith]

whatchu buying

[keen thunder]

Ashes

[fair patrol]

SEA STAR DOUBLED HEART

[lost arch]

nice

[prisma monolith]

only thing i ever bought from broker was ambrosia and nightmare

[merry iris]

i have 400 want some ?

[lost arch]

i once had a 98% chance sea star

[keen thunder]

I don’t need anything except kudos so all bones becomes ashes and all ashes become kudos

[vague siren]

ares and apollo got stuff to do with back stab damage

[fair patrol]

ares?

[vague siren]

once you go the surface enough times you'll meet him

[lost arch]

ares has backstab damage?

[keen thunder]

I didn’t sell fish for like 100 nights so now I’m cashing in fish and it’s so tedious

[vague siren]

you'd really need duo boons. i mean, they're usually nice to have, but unneccesary. you can get so many better things with other boons

[prisma monolith]

you can sell all of a specific fish at once

[vague siren]

on enemies with wounds yes

[keen thunder]

It’s the bones to ashes step that is annoying

[lost arch]

i didnt use ares outside of that one run when the game forced me to

[vague siren]

yeah, ares isn't the greatest lol

[prisma monolith]

said who?

[vague siren]

its a boon you have to get. first get something to inflict wounds, then you have to actually get the boon

[runic glade]

What cast do you like for charon axe?

[prisma monolith]

youre making it up bruv

ares has no backstab boon

[lost arch]

him and demeter are the ones that i think i skip the most bc the others have almost always something that makes me stronger even if it doesnt fit my build

[vague siren]

can't think of a specific one tbh

[prisma monolith]

maybe youre thinking of grievous blow? but that has nothing to do with backstab

[vague siren]

i'm not bro lol, check his boon list (it might of been in the early access)

[keen thunder]

Demeter is top tier for me!!

[prisma monolith]

well right now, it doesnt exist

grievous blow is solid tho

[lost arch]

i checked the boon list on the wiki and the only thing icreasing damage against wounded enemies was grievous blow

[prisma monolith]

yeah, no backstab

[fair patrol]

guys I defeated hecate with sister blades

[vague siren]

yeah ur right mb

[fair patrol]

they are good

[vague siren]

congrats!

[prisma monolith]

ares is just so bad 😭

[lost arch]

im pretty sure everything but the base axe is good

[prisma monolith]

base axe is solid

[lost arch]

unupgraded

[fair patrol]

the shock thing is really good

[prisma monolith]

well im talking fully upgraded yes, its been almost a year since i touched an unupgraded weapon

[granite wigeon]

do yall like **||zag ||**outfit in 2

[keen thunder]

Axe might be my favorite but I feel like you have to know to dash mid-attack which is not the same as attacking mid-dash

[fair patrol]

blades are so fast I hit many enemies

[prisma monolith]

he looks sick

[granite wigeon]

i think hes doing a bit too much

[lost arch]

unupgraded has im pretty sure the worst dps out of the first 4 at least and its also the slowest

[keen thunder]

No 1.0 spoiler in this channel

[prisma monolith]

you can, just tag

[lost arch]

i just feel like at least unupgraded its the worst weapon

[keen thunder]

That’s probably true. All it’s upgrade are pretty major

[lost arch]

yea getting 30 health on its own is very strong but that and more damage is rly good i think at least

[fair patrol]

sea star + minor find upgrade is so good

[little mason]

its ok

[prisma monolith]

HAVE ANOTHER

[granite wigeon]

pissidor sea star carries him lol

[fair patrol]

my luck is insane, it keeps doubling everytime and it's only on 30%

[little mason]

to bad it doesnt double ur luck

[granite wigeon]

imo its worth spending levels on star

[fair patrol]

I know it's bad but poms just disappeared

[prisma monolith]

ok, now youre pushing it

[granite wigeon]

🤷‍♂️

its more future poms, prolly not worth by third area

[fair patrol]

40% sea star

[lost arch]

i think its worth it if you have the hermes boost to chance based effects

[fair patrol]

I want more

[granite wigeon]

i think i had 60% some time ago

[lost arch]

i had lvl 11 and the hermes boost and that was 98 the highest i got other than that was around 50

[fair patrol]

what if sea star could double hammers and boons

[lost arch]

it cant

[granite wigeon]

skull it explicetly says no hamers or boons

[bronze stream]

but what if it could

[granite wigeon]

mostly just good for levels

[lost arch]

and health and upgrade currency like bones or ashes

[granite wigeon]

i think it might of in an earlyer patch, prolly not but maybe

[granite wigeon]

im a fan of when it doubles selene, you can get the hex to actually be usable quick

[lost arch]

wait it can do that

i dont use selene much so i didnt know

[bronze stream]

if anyone is coming back after stopping during the Warsong update, Selene has gotten mega buffed since then

[granite wigeon]

i remember most hexes being bad when i played before, most of them feel pretty good now in the latest version

[lost arch]

the damaging ones feel like they have less dps than just attacking usually for me but that may be bc i dont upgrade them much

[granite wigeon]

the deathray or whatever is so good like holy crap

there is an upgrade that lets you place it down and act, kinda like demiters cast form the first game

[long goblet]

I got Sea Star to 100% once

[granite wigeon]

i think the base dps of the ray is pretty good, but the other ones dont really stop you from acting for that long

i think dps is still a net gain unless you have a super low lv hex at the end of the run or whatever

[lost arch]

i just dont pick up the upgrades usually

[granite wigeon]

ok

[jolly hound]

you’re missing out, a duo hex can carry a run

[jaunty basin]

the big benefit of it wolf howl and total eclipse is the temporary shield on activation

I've had several unrivaled chronos fights carried by activating temp armor and weaving in and out accordingly

[lost arch]

i might start picking them up more once i finish upgrading my arcanas bc before then anything that isnt vital to the run is worse than bones

[granite wigeon]

eclipse is kinda hard to hit lol, but i like that it has that damage increase in target area upgrade so you can use it kinda like another cast

[lost arch]

also i never got the one that summons enemies yet 🙁

[little mason]

how is it hard to his it literally takes up over half the screen

[granite wigeon]

that one is kinda mid imo

[lost arch]

i heard that it deals amazing damage

[granite wigeon]

🤷‍♂️ i think i maxed it out once, maybe i wasnt paying attention
it was on the mountain man tho so you coudlnt see hp anyway

[tranquil wren]

it really can. raising shadow servants in summit is also pretty strong

[fair patrol]

In safety and in solitude

[granite wigeon]

thats a funny idea

[lost arch]

and apparently doing it to the hourglass guys in the chronos fight heals you but i havent seen it happen only heard about it

[tranquil wren]

yeah it does, but the healing is abysmal imo

[granite wigeon]

that is also a funn idea

several of those guys dont even heal chronos that much though so i doubt its good lol

[lost arch]

i dont know how good you dps usually is but if you ignore them they will complitely outheal you damage

[fair patrol]

charon, selene, medea in the crossroads at the same time

is this rare

[tranquil wren]

nah a good build can outdamage them easy

[granite wigeon]

usually the healing negigable compared to what im doing lol

[jaunty basin]

I've done it, it's good

[lost arch]

but i also havent ignored them since a while ago

[granite wigeon]

unless the healing is alot more in the rivals version, havent done that yet lol

[unreal sail]

gm, anyone got a decent build for supay? I'm confused what'll make it work well

[granite wigeon]

got third champion statue before unlocking rivals 4 lmao

[jaunty basin]

I've done it non rivals and it's decent healing. you won't tank everything with it but if you take a beating in phase 2 you'll not instantly die at least

[jaunty basin]

hestia special Zeus/Apollo attack

[granite wigeon]

what is supay

[jaunty basin]

and a dash boon of choice, Apollo/poseidon let you use beach ball too

[shrewd geyser]

Torch hidden aspect

[unreal sail]

Zeus or apollo are usually different strategies

[jaunty basin]

indeed it is

[unreal sail]

Hestia is automatically loaded I assume

[jaunty basin]

yeah. most if not all your dps comes from activating both omega moves to have near constant uptime of them, so also magick heavy

[unreal sail]

ah so that arcana for double omega critical is needed

[shrewd geyser]

I can’t find myself enjoying supay, I’d rather play Eos or Moros

[unreal sail]

best mana regen boon?

[prisma monolith]

hera

[jaunty basin]

hera, hestia second

[lost arch]

hestia

[jolly hound]

disagree, if you win the run you’ll get more stuff, and a room clearing nuke will go a long way

[unreal sail]

k ill give it a blast, ty

[lost arch]

i get to chronos/typhon almost all runs anyway

[shrewd geyser]

If you’re doing a cast build Apollo, if you have a large magic pool Hera, Hestia is quite good too

[unreal sail]

the weapons are so unique I love how many ways there are to play

[jaunty basin]

indeed

[unreal sail]

just did a Hel run, was absolutely unkillable

[jaunty basin]

I'd take a paid dlc for additional weapon aspects if sgg need more money for their next game

[unreal sail]

yeah 100% would pay for more weapons

[shrewd geyser]

I want my Hades spear back

Imagine Hades spear with Apollo

[granite wigeon]

dlc where you get to use first games weapons

i was kinda mad i didnt get to play with the spear for the ending

[tranquil wren]

mel does -50% damage with the bow

[unreal sail]

DLC of another path would be welcome too. or some sort of wave arena

[shrewd geyser]

Chiron Bow my beloved

[granite wigeon]

||like i thought you would get a short sequence playing as zag with the spear lol||

[unreal sail]

arena where you fight double bosses. imagine Prometheus and Typhon at the same time

[tranquil wren]

lol is rivals not enough

[shrewd geyser]

Same I was really hoping we’d get to do this ||especially since in the elysium arena he has a moveset with Gigaros||

[jaunty basin]

nah the first game already exists, and several aspects are iterations on first game ones already
that said some other h1 aspects wouldn't be a problem, but not just straight copying. I still love Demeter fists to death

[woeful oriole]

how would beowulf and hera even work

[prisma monolith]

could always boot up hades 1, he has 4 spears there

[jaunty basin]

Beowulf is Medea skull dawg

[granite wigeon]

lol i lost my hades 1 file

[woeful oriole]

medea skull except even better

[prisma monolith]

sounds like the best reason to start a new one

[jaunty basin]

Medea skull is Beowulf but not grossly overtuned, just still the strongest aspect in the game anyway

[unreal sail]

I don't get on with Medea skull. I get greedy and kill myself. much prefer Hel. I play the Medea build on Mel staff instead

[reef cedar]

So, I've rolled credits, but predictably, every time I try and return to the House of Hades, ||Homer|| the narrator gives me an expositive epilogue. Where am I supposed to get soot from?

[shrewd geyser]

Hel with Zeus chain attacks brings me back to my adamant rail runs

[jaunty basin]

Hades

[prisma monolith]

pops

[woeful oriole]

tbf beowulf is broken because its bugged (but im still glad they never patched it)

[tranquil wren]

talk to hades in his regular npc room in tartarus

[granite wigeon]

😳 ||(name of video game)||

[jaunty basin]

I am not a fan of adamant rail but my 32 heat win in h1 was with Dionysus attack zag aspect rail and I have genuinely 0 shame

[shrewd geyser]

I forget my 32 heat win, it was SO much harder in hades 1

[jaunty basin]

I still have a screenshot of that victory screen

[silent matrix]

Aspect of pan lowkey goated

[jaunty basin]

yeah I was at 200bpm heart rate and popped tf off when I won

[tranquil wren]

yea the 3rd statue in this game was a lot easier than H1

[granite wigeon]

they just nerfed chiron form the first game lol

[jaunty basin]

wdym low-key it's high tier dawg

[silent matrix]

Feels so good to take off heat after getting the statue oh my goddd

[little mason]

used to be 32 fear underground and surface they made it easier

[reef cedar]

Ah, so when I visit him in Tartarus, he won't be in chains, but instead give me soot?

[unreal sail]

anyone else find Eye of Typhon harder than Typhon

[silent matrix]

Nerfed base damage but like 30x1k damage yeah thats a LOT of damage lol

[tranquil wren]

yep

[shrewd geyser]

I don’t think 32 surface would still be comparable to 32 hades 1

[reef cedar]

Got it, ty.

[silent matrix]

I took more damage from eye then typhon

[tranquil wren]

yeah you just have to hope your DPS is good enough. the AOE spam in that fight is insane

[unreal sail]

eye is just nuts.

[reef cedar]

One more thing: Where do I need to progress to locate the Three Fates? That's been a prophecy since day 1 and yet only now should it be able to be fulfilled...

[silent matrix]

New typhon body part fight

[jaunty basin]

start using basic cast for the slow

[fair patrol]

coral crown v2 is so good

[tranquil wren]

the prophecy should tell you what you need to do

[little mason]

just read bro 4Head

[shrewd geyser]

Twins or Spawn of typhon which do you prefer

[silent matrix]

Abandon run button

[tranquil wren]

twins

[little mason]

both at the same time

[unreal sail]

cast does so much DMG I can't let it go just for that fight tho.

Dio blob cast takes care of it pretty well but generally I get steamrolled by the eye or flash burned by the aoe and exploding eggs everywhere

[jaunty basin]

twins but I take more damage from them

[granite wigeon]

both arent that bad lol

spawn is kinda just like the pig in the first area

[jaunty basin]

you can and should

[shrewd geyser]

I just really hate th e charge attack from spawn

[silent matrix]

I hate spawn because he has more health then typhon fr fr 💔

[lone yew]

anyone know for skull aspect of medea, should i get special or attack damage?

[little mason]

twins are super easy just bait them when they are underground into ur cast

[jaunty basin]

attack main and Zeus/hera special

[shrewd geyser]

Twins I find are free because often I’ve been going for large AOE builds

[lone yew]

so for chaos i should take the attack one?

[silent matrix]

Isnt it aphr atk and zeus spec for the ‘meta’

[jaunty basin]

yes

[lone yew]

ah i see thanks a lot

[shrewd geyser]

Greater Chaos Above or Below ?

[little mason]

im sure zues and apoolo special is meta

[jaunty basin]

that's what I said, attack main damage source so stack % and special apply a curse ideally blitz

[silent matrix]

Ogh….

[jaunty basin]

Apollo special on Medea is tossing

[little mason]

[silent matrix]

I need her

[jaunty basin]

below

[shrewd geyser]

Hitch or Blitz right

[dull whale]

So I've started using Strength. Did a few runs with the ||vow of rivals|| fights activated and good lord
Yes those fights have more going on but Strength shreds them. What a good arcana card. I am a convert. I understand now. Runs go by way faster

[silent matrix]

Apollo is so awesome when im running black coat

[silent matrix]

Me when the good card is good

[fair patrol]

I really underestimated dividing blaze

[little mason]

average

[dull whale]

I'll be honest
I was afraid to turn off DD lol
I saw those extra lives and it felt safe

But that dmg reduction and increase feels way safer now

[silent matrix]

I run no death defiance because i thug it out by oneshotting everything

[shrewd geyser]

I lowk wanna become a judgement user

[dull whale]

Based

[little mason]

i want to be superman to but you gotta be realistic

[unreal sail]

for Medea the gameplay is to atk and then instantly special. the atk skull blasts after the special so you load a Zeus blitz with special and then the atk explodes and immediately triggers the Zeus blitz which also explodes. you basically dash through the enemy. you then immediately repeat dashing back through the enemy the other way over and over until they die. it's very quick, dashy build. stack atk % Apollo or Aphrodite to explode the Zeus blitz faster. and increase blitz size to get bigger bangs.

[silent matrix]

When hades 2 dlc and lootboxes and pets and skins

[shrewd geyser]

It just sucks cause you can’t really use judgement and keep fates whim :(

[granite wigeon]

if youve played the first game then youd likely think dd is super importnat (first game doesnt have strength)

[dull whale]

The biggest threat to Strength is going against ||chronos|| and your stick drifting when your standing in the safe zone during his 999 dmg attack

[silent matrix]

Hermes dash can block that i think

[dull whale]

Oh I put an ungodly amount of hours in 1 so I defaulted to DD

[silent matrix]

Also yall play on controller???

[shrewd geyser]

Ya

[granite wigeon]

she keyboard on my mouse till i

[silent matrix]

I have like 600 hours on 1 on mobile 💔

[dull whale]

Hades 1 has ways to buff your strength but nothing like the arcana card so I saw +3 DD in 2 and said oh wow good old reliable let's go lol

[silent matrix]

Best death defiance is the 1 per room

[dull whale]

Based

[shrewd geyser]

I prob should swap to str, it gives you what 40% less damage and 20% more dealt?

[dull whale]

Yup

[granite wigeon]

im not sure if hades 1 had anything that explicetly rewarded not having dd

[shrewd geyser]

Kinda crazy, I only end up using death defies most runs because I know I have them so I just start tossing health

[silent matrix]

You cant get a couple boons from athena without them, thats the only downside i think

[granite wigeon]

dd is effectively 50% hp or whatever, strength is alot better in alot of cases

[dull whale]

Is the dmg reduction from Knuckle Bones additive or multiplicative with the Strength 40%??

[shrewd geyser]

Conversely though you can summon Athena any time

[silent matrix]

Those boons were buh anyway

[unreal sail]

I start with strength and the bottom right arcana active. by run end I'll have nearly all cards active. Athena keepsake early can give 3dd too

[jaunty basin]

it was a core mechanic, you had to have either stubborn or regular defiance

[dull whale]

That too

[silent matrix]

Or you could do no mirror buffs….

[dull whale]

Yup you had to pick either one

[shrewd geyser]

Judgement user???

[dull whale]

Or no mirror

[unreal sail]

if that's the bottom right card, yeah. I love the random nature of the buffs and you get loads by end

[granite wigeon]

i never really understood stubborn, i usually saved all of my dd to face tank the hades fight
i never actually played that high heat in 1 though, high heat feels actually not very hard in 2 lol

[fair patrol]

I took fine line over incandenet aura even though I have 5s ionic gain, was this a good idea because I'm playing omega attacks

[shrewd geyser]

Holy based how can I be like you

[silent matrix]

You can get like 6 cards on eris if you got the stuff

[dull whale]

Is Judgment not held back by the grasp limitation?

[unreal sail]

all the first 2 bosses are easy. by the third you're cooking with gas on arcana

[shrewd geyser]

It’s not

[dull whale]

Holy I had thought it was
Ok trying it next time wow cool

[shrewd geyser]

You can use circe keepsake too

[dull whale]

Oh yeaaaaah true huh

[fair patrol]

judgement is cool but I like having so much stuff

[silent matrix]

And her buff thats like how much

[unreal sail]

circe on nergal is crazy

[fair patrol]

but I guess you have more withj judgement

[shrewd geyser]

It activates 2 random arcana after the next guardian

[silent matrix]

6 cards for a boss….

[dull whale]

Right it would stack with Judgement

[unreal sail]

I meant the black sheep coat buff. 30% for omega moves after X dmg. that's mad on nergal

[silent matrix]

Who is nergal

[bold charm]

I visited circe with knuckle bones and am at that stage of the prophecy - but nothing happened? It didn't mark as complete for me? What am I missing

[unreal sail]

the hidden axe

[shrewd geyser]

Axe hidden aspect

[granite wigeon]

nergalthesenuts?

[unreal sail]

whomp whomp whompmwhompwhompwhomp

[shrewd geyser]

You need to do it twice

[silent matrix]

Guhhh… who gives the trigger words

[granite wigeon]

shop guy

[shrewd geyser]

Charon

[tranquil wren]

it's always the second aspect person who gives the trigger words

[shrewd geyser]

He goes kurrrggghhaaaaaa huurrrr duuuurrrr then you awaken the axe

[silent matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/plants-vs-zombies-crazy-dave-because-i'm-crazy-gif-13194050441543628830

Epic embed fail

[fair patrol]

One Last Drop

[shrewd geyser]

Embeds disabled, I saw the crazy Dave worry not

[fair patrol]

I am in tartarus now guys any tips for chronos

[silent matrix]

Supergiant hates fun

[shrewd geyser]

Ikr, I’ve only played 350 hours of hades 1 and 2 combined not fun at all

[silent matrix]

Nope

[unreal sail]

watch a YouTube

[little mason]

i think google exists still right??

[unreal sail]

no point wasting a run if you're new to him

basically atk his bum

[fair patrol]

phase 2 sucks

[unreal sail]

i prefer 2 to 1

[little mason]

i prefer phase 3

[unreal sail]

he's got a few moves in 2 where you can face tank him

whompwhompwhomp

[shrewd geyser]

Nothing scares me like EM hades still does

Still one of the best songs too really glad ||we get to hear it in the Zag fight||

[prisma monolith]

i just got another midshop in olympus, i think my game genuinely be bugged if its as rare as yall say

[fair patrol]

chronos song is so good

[prisma monolith]

the entire ost is so good

[fair patrol]

yeah but chronos song is good

[shrewd geyser]

Darren is a genius

[jaunty basin]

corn on the Darren Korb

[silent matrix]

I dont like the bossfight but i like the region song

[fair patrol]

tartarus song is good too

[shrewd geyser]

For me it’s just so hard to beat Unseen Ones

[jaunty basin]

I think h1 Tartarus music > h2 Tartarus music but that's mainly because there's more songs than just one

[fair patrol]

I'm in the final chamber now

[jaunty basin]

go get em champ

[still dagger]

circe asks for a pearl?

[shrewd geyser]

Godspeed, Spider-Man

I think you use the tear in the cauldron

[remote locust]

Ok I've been playing this game for far too long and I'm afraid to only ask this question now
Is the sound associated with Hera a baby's cry or a cat's meow?

[unreal sail]

good stuff

[fair patrol]

should I take queen's ransom?

[still dagger]

I haven't thought of them as either

[remote locust]

Depends a lot on what your build looks like?

[fair patrol]

I have lightning lance, ionic gain (lvl 4 heroic), divin evengance,

hera boons are, bridal glow, sworn strike, fine line

[remote locust]

Like if Zeus boons are the backbone of your build, def not. If your run won't be much worse off without Zeus boons, then sure

[fair patrol]

only ionic gain I have terrible regen for magick

[still dagger]

what's the weapon?

[vague siren]

zeus cast on circe can go nuts

[unreal sail]

personally I take all prophecy boons regardless of their impact just to tick them off. but if it's your first chronos then getting experience there is priority

[fair patrol]

ygnium

[still dagger]

also upgrading sworn strike can be really good if you're mainly dealing damage with your attack

[vague siren]

which boons?

[jaunty basin]

peacock bird

[little mason]

Ygnium deez?

[unreal sail]

duo and legendary

[fair patrol]

so should I take it or not

[vague siren]

yeah i was confused. u mean the boons u need to complete the minor profecies. makes sense

[remote locust]

I hate to sound rude potentially, but that's a call you gotta make for yourself based on your current game state and priorities

[vague siren]

best legendary boon imo: Aphrodite's. guaranteed 50% extra damage

[unreal sail]

yup, they're a pain to set up so if they pop up just take them. saves having to get it set up again

I'm finding the black stone is a great place to put them together though as you start with lots of boons and it's set up to trigger them it seems

[fair patrol]

I'll probably skip it I'm fine

chronos, I'm coming

[brisk harness]

yeah it's pretty good for doing most of the boons

[unreal sail]

(10 seconds later) I should've taken the boon

[fair patrol]

without ionic gain I'm dead I have no magick regen and I use all of my magic very quickly

[unreal sail]

yeah it's sensible

watch a YouTube otherwise your bum gonna hurt. get at least an idea what to do

[vague siren]

true true

[little mason]

Or just wing it, win and brag

[fair patrol]

phase 1 dead

[unreal sail]

imagine beating it first time without any idea what to do. wouldn't be me

I'm far too reckless

[fair patrol]

phase 2...

[vague siren]

also a good way to work through cauldron stff

[little mason]

Losing mind set 😭

[simple sierra]

flood gain is like a mini ionic gain

[unreal sail]

I'm not gonna dance around. ill find max attack strategies or die

probably why I can't use Medea. I die too much

[simple sierra]

na on medea things should die before you do!

[fair patrol]

I DID IT

[unreal sail]

first time?

[fair patrol]

TIME HAS BEEN STOPPED

[unreal sail]

cool. well done

[winged geyser]

can you reroll chaos?

[little mason]

Death to who again?

[fair patrol]

chronos

[winged geyser]

I don't remember. My only prophecy left is getting Chant from chaos

[jolly hound]

Yep

[little mason]

When will I get my chant from order though

If there is chaos there must be a God of order

[meager walrus]

I got it randomly by having a duo boon and then equipping the chaos keepsake lol

You need the duo boon first though since chant cant show up without it

[winged geyser]

I know, I'm trying but no luck yet

thanks