h2-discussion

[short raft]

Okay so, i need someone to clarify me this: Nexus dash on Typhons tongue is bugged

It dealt over 8k damage after Zeus stun jum, just rushing on him CONSTANTLY triggers nexus dash damage.

[novel spruce]

I have frenos, || the cat and the raven || as familiars... but I am not getting the incantation to increase their level. I am 50 runs in and have beaten the game... what am I missing?

[plucky dew]

prob the other familiars?

[buoyant matrix]

the renovations will supposedly take a lot of time so it stays like that

[high steeple]

You need the other familiars

[short raft]

Hades is thoroughly preoccupated with the organization of his infinite amount of burnable capes.

[novel spruce]

am I just super unlucky with running into them then? In my other save from EA I don't remember having this issue

[high steeple]

Well first you need to run into ||Hecuba||

She can be found in the same room as ||Echo||

@novel spruce

[novel spruce]

yeah i have run into her like 3 times and always just was able to talk... but good to know where to find her I will try some more 😄

[high steeple]

You should also have some witches delight on you that you can give her

||Gale can be found in the room before facing Prometheus||

[torpid breach]

Nope. You can level Frinos without having any other familiars.

[solar tulip]

Spoiler Question: ||How do you actually summon the fates? ||

[wispy storm]

You should have a prophecy on the list guiding you in the right direction, if not right now then in a run or two

[solar tulip]

Basically just do a full run on both underworld and surface?

[rough horizon]

That's the first step of several

[solar tulip]

Oh boy

[nova oar]

This game infuriates me but I can't stop playing

[visual citrus]

⬆️⬆️⬆️ Can anyone help me with this? ⬆️⬆️⬆️

[candid bay]

idk, i just got it by playing

[astral jacinth]

||I've got all the eyballs and sand thingies I need, but I'm missing the mystery question mark item. How do I get this? just keep beating up Chronos and Typhon?||

[elfin heron]

Did you beat it on both surface and underworld?

[rough horizon]

speak with selene, maybe? she's always commented to me on beating the rivals vows

[prisma monolith]

Did you do the epilogue?

[rough horizon]

You don't need to

[prisma monolith]

Oh is it just the credits?

Patch notes said "true ending" so idk what they referred by this

[nova oar]

New pfp time

[prisma monolith]

To me true ending was the epilogue

[visual citrus]

i already saw the credits and beat both

[elfin heron]

I just kept doing the vow until it unlocked for me

[prisma monolith]

Pre 1.0 it was just beating vor 3 up and down, but 1.0 added "true ending" on top of that

[visual citrus]

oh, okey

[prisma monolith]

Whatever true ending mean, be it epilogue or just credits

[rough horizon]

True ending is credits in this regard

Source: I got Rivals 4 unlocked before epilogue in 1.0

[visual citrus]

okey then, ty. i'll keep doing runs.

[nova oar]

There have been no entries on the speedrun leaderboards huh

[fair patrol]

Down, Down

Drown, Drown

[jaunty night]

Its so good

Does anyone know what the demonic feinos skin is supposed to be?

Is it some mythological reference or just haha scary poisonous frog

[nova oar]

They all get demonised

[jaunty night]

The purple and red one I mean

[high steeple]

Yup

[sour mason]

Wait guys are there really no companions in Hades 2😭😭😭 if not do you think they’ll get added?

[high steeple]

You have familiars that kinda do the companions job

[rough horizon]

There aren't, and they likely won't (game's done)

[sour mason]

Kinda but it’s no the same lwk

[high steeple]

I‘m more sad that ||we don‘t get to return to the house of Hades as it should be||

[sour mason]

Same actually that’s what I was the most excited about (along with comps ofc). Made me severely disappointed

[high steeple]

Also lil Melinoë in a red dress

[high steeple]

Would have been ok with once every couple of runs to stay there and just look around and meet the former game‘s characters

[prisma monolith]

Are pets not enough companion?

[high steeple]

Could even unlock decor for both the cross roads and the house again

[prisma monolith]

Personally im ok with not having the house, we spent the entire guest game decorating it, time for another

[sour mason]

As in more like the ones in Hades 2 like tangible rewards for reaching max bond with some characters or completing character quests

[high steeple]

Baby (me) want to decor everything

[prisma monolith]

I'd say the hades 2 version is even better

[prisma monolith]

Thats why I still boot up h1 daily, got an entire house to decorate there

[high steeple]

But but but….. Melinoë meeting her brother‘s partners….

[sour mason]

Familiars are great and cute (I wouldn’t want them removed or replaced) but it’s different yk in my opinion

[high steeple]

Talking with her parents……

[prisma monolith]

What im actually sad is the fact there seems to be no more sex scenes

[high steeple]

WHAT

[prisma monolith]

She does tho

[smoky radish]

Anyone got some tipps for fear 32 underworld? Which weapon, aspect etc

[high steeple]

Omg yippiee

[prisma monolith]

I think they got upgraded, but valid

[sour mason]

True I do think conceptually and execution wise familiars are better overall! I just like the fact that your bonds meant more than the usual emoticon on a keepsake.

[prisma monolith]

I actually hated that in h1, I didn't like big gameplay locked behind that much stuff

[high steeple]

Damn, supergiant fumbled???

[sour mason]

Valid actually

[fair patrol]

King's Coral Crown

[high steeple]

What

[fair patrol]

King Of bone

[prisma monolith]

It was really cool every once in a while after a run seeing the heart in Meg or than, so very sad i won't get that feeling here

[sour mason]

Ok so other than the companion thing I have another question. I finished the true ending but kinda rushed a bit at the end and don’t remember much. What’s the epilogue about this time?

[fair patrol]

?? where

[prisma monolith]

||tldr fates quit||

[prisma monolith]

In the game

You only smash once

[sour mason]

Wait really??😭😭 like that’s it? What’s the reason for continuing runs though?

[fair patrol]

where, can I see?

[prisma monolith]

No, you cannot see 😐

[fair patrol]

why

[prisma monolith]

||mel is still fighting the remaining forces of chronos while they fix the house and olympus, and chronos has us kill a possible alternate version of himself as to prevent it doesnt happen again because hes the titan of time and that's how it works||

[prisma monolith]

Because you cant, wrong game, plenty of games for that on steam

[fair patrol]

then why is there in the game

[prisma monolith]

Because they can add it

Its their game, they decide what to put and what not to show

[sour mason]

What about the surface?

[fair patrol]

i'm sorry

[sour mason]

Lmao trying to goon rn is crazy

[prisma monolith]

||Same thing, mel is helping kill whatever is left of the assault while they fix olympus, and chronos has you kill an alternate typhon for the same reason||

[glass condor]

For the plot

[prisma monolith]

Bro is dummy jorny 😭 he said why

[fair patrol]

wait why am I playing as hades what

[prisma monolith]

Its literally the name of the game bro

Why are you not playing as hades is the question

[sour mason]

Ahhh! Yk people been saying it’s weak reason for replaying but it isn’t as bad as people have been making it out to be

[glass condor]

Who put hades in my gooner game!

[prisma monolith]

I like it

[sour mason]

Like I get the ending and final moments discourse but it really isn’t that bad. Def not GoT 8 bad like at all

[glass condor]

Yeah skillup made that comparison in his review which i think why others are too

[prisma monolith]

People were expecting some shakesperian experience or something, idk

[fair patrol]

no trust me I just wanted to know for other reasons I don't

[prisma monolith]

Right right I hear ya

[sour mason]

Sure

[fair patrol]

TRUST ME

[prisma monolith]

I do, I do

[fair patrol]

. i'm seirous

[prisma monolith]

I know

[fair patrol]

trust it was for other reason

[sour mason]

Which was

[fair patrol]

so I can avoid it

[sour mason]

Right…

[prisma monolith]

Thats why they dont show anything so you dont have to avoid

[fair patrol]

trust me I don't

[sour mason]

Sigh.. ok bye carrot guy

[fair patrol]

best aspet for witch staff?

[prisma monolith]

Melinoe

[jaunty night]

Circe is cool af

Every time I play Mel I just end up spamming omega attack

[fair patrol]

how to get circle

[prisma monolith]

Is the second aspect

[fair patrol]

i don't have it unlocked I can't see it

[dire sand]

There's a lot you cant see as you're now finding out

[fair patrol]

what???
I got heroic ice strike
should I replace for hera attack

[dire sand]

Dw about it discord user buncha letters

[fair patrol]

so do I skip it

NOT AGAIN ANOTHER HEROIC

[craggy kettle]

@meager walrus you were right. Needed to do the epilogue for the Acceptance of another fate incant

[prisma monolith]

@rough horizon seems we got conflicting information

Wait no, you were talking about vor4, not reroll seed, nvm sorry

[scenic gust]

Pan would be a bonk weapon if its charge time ain't that long

[fair patrol]

should I try the surface

[scenic gust]

just do it.

[glass condor]

Yeah u need to go up there to progress a lot of stuff

[fair patrol]

how hard is it?

[neon isle]

it used to be good during ea </3

they nerfed it real hard because people were shredding

[glass condor]

Not that much harder just go n die and die often thats how u progress. Dont be afraid to lose a run

[neon isle]

its like on average 50% harder than underworld id say, maybe 100% if youre new

the first region is pretty manageable though

[fair patrol]

bronze, nice

how good is bronze

[neon isle]

you can sell it to shopkeepers for a pound of silver

no but you need it for some important incants iirc

[fair patrol]

polycheemus?

polyphemues?

[neon isle]

polyamorous yeah

[fair patrol]

oh I defeated him

ohh so this is how you get wool

[fresh kelp]

Polychumpus?

[fair patrol]

yes

[scenic gust]

Polydollydolly

[fair patrol]

i'm going to get a gapple

[fair patrol]

probably maybe if I can defeat this boss

wait no why do I have to kill Eris

[nova oar]

LMAO

[slim pike]

you only kill her a little

[jaunty night]

She'd do the same to you

[fair patrol]

why does she have guns

[scenic gust]

well she ain't dying. So slap her

[slim pike]

She's using the rail, Ask zagreus about it

[fair patrol]

noo I died

[tranquil wren]

uh oh trouble

[slim pike]

yeah Eris is a skill gate, but she's a little puppy when you realise that dashing through her basically invalidates most of what she does

[jaunty night]

Pretty sure I first tried her fight

[fair patrol]

next time, I will make her Return To Shadow, Now!

[heavy glen]

good luck!

[limpid oar]

Patch 1 frenzy 2 Eris was nasty 😭

[nova oar]

Eris and prom when they were the final boss were nuts

[fringe pecan]

got to tartarus for the first time, man this is hard
cerberus was an easy fight tho

[limpid oar]

Omg new profile picture

[nova oar]

Yaaaaas

Finally beat 50f and wanted a change

[limpid oar]

Will you change it to Nyx once you clear 62?

[scenic gust]

Artemis blade + Attack Hep bonk max rarity + Origination = 3k Bonk

[fair patrol]

I hate aphrodite

[nova oar]

I just barely lost 55 so a while before I get to 62 but i'll see how I feel if I ever get there

[nova oar]

What'd she do to you?

[fair patrol]

killed me

[limpid oar]

I mean you pissed her off first

[fair patrol]

I'm sorry I wanted hera

[fringe pecan]

I'd never damm

[fair patrol]

should I activate the Pitch-Black Stone

also where can I access it when I activate?

[tranquil wren]

near schelemeus

[scenic gust]

love her. Her attack blessing and damage reduction are blissed

[fair patrol]

level 7 heroic sworn strike, nice

I just reached hecate

[shy lotus]

Call me insane but i'm gonna make an anki deck to help me memorize the boon icons

[tranquil wren]

that is a bit insane, they're all very recognisable

[paper gull]

||fates say i need to get to know chronos more and when i look in the book it shows its possible to give him gifts? is there a certain area i can do this or is it just dialogue i unlock as i go forwards?||

[tranquil wren]

after beating ||hecate you can find him in the room after||

[fair patrol]

not insane

[dire sand]

We are discord user buncha letters' entire playthrough guide I think

[paper gull]

||in erebus?||

[tranquil wren]

yes

[paper gull]

awesome thank you, i was so confused about that

[tranquil wren]

nws

[fair patrol]

??

[dire sand]

Dw about it discord user buncha letters

[fair patrol]

can you stop

[nova oar]

[dire sand]

[fair patrol]

or else I will claw out your eyes and then drown you to death

[barren junco]

Zeus knew what he was doing... Prometheus deserves much worse torture than eagle eating his liver coz the clown still won't give me the ||meloinoe seek us bond dialogue... I killed him an additional 8 times today.

😭 He's yapping about mortalkind today.||

[weak brook]

Broski didn't even do nothing free my guy

[tranquil wren]

lol

[fair patrol]

level 16 sworn strike

thank you echo

[nova oar]

Rookie numbers

[placid spruce]

I progressed moros and nemesis until the point where you go fishing for the first time but I cant seem to progress them further

Do I have to give them more nectar?

[fair patrol]

it's good for me I'm new

noo i died

[jaunty basin]

the chaos above run be so fine then bam
white antler at summit

lost

"beat two back to back chaos randomized runs" they said and gave me white antler in both runs one being at the final biome

[fair patrol]

Challenge idea:
One health, you only do 10 damage
Boons No Longer appear
Weapon is the moonstone axe

No aspects, no arcana

[hearty idol]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-20924249

[fair patrol]

Keepsakes are disabled

[neon isle]

i think theres a paid challenge to do that in the speedrunning discord rn actually

save file with nothing but mel staff and 1 hit of hp at prometheus

theres a similar one going for typhon

[fair patrol]

my idea is worser and harder

[neon isle]

nuh uh

[wooden whale]

Absolum just released and reviews look good, anyone interested in this game?

[devout cairn]

Ye, it looks amazing

[wooden whale]

just bought it, was like 30% off on humble if you are a monthly subscriber

so would be rude not to

[devout cairn]

I'm not but I'm gonna check it out

[wooden whale]

i played a lot of dragons crown and been a while since i played a beat em up

[devout cairn]

Ost by Mick Gordon is a huge plus

[pale pier]

Mannn, I wish supergiant made more figures of the other characters (Not action figures, ones like the Zagreus pop up parade).

[dire sand]

Threats won't spare you discord user buncha numbers

[unborn ridge]

||hey so is the bejeweled pom keepsake a hint towards.. you know.. owo||

[dire sand]

Letters even

[placid spruce]

Can I pleeeeaaaase stop getting attack hammers when using aspect of charon😭

[fair patrol]

I DID TRIAL OF HUMILITY

[unborn ridge]

:>

sounds like someone didnt pay tribute to the fates

[safe widget]

Hello

[fair patrol]

trial of salt next

[safe widget]

Is it just me or is hades 2 way more difficult than the first? idk what to do can’t even beat Scylla have the time 😭

[devout cairn]

about the same i'd say, atleast on base difficulty

[neon isle]

its the same difficulty but it feels harder bc its an adjustment imo

mel doesnt want to be moving in the same ways zag does

[fair patrol]

king vermin

[safe widget]

I’m on my 17th run and only made it to chronos once

[neon isle]

king vermin is meant to be unbeatable :shrug:

[devout cairn]

king vermin is so free in this game

[simple ferry]

they removed the defense of spreading attacks from the first game (you can't get more than 1 hit in a second in first game), thats why it feels harder

[safe widget]

idk might not ever finish the game

[teal zephyr]

Yeah it's a harder game I'd say

Underworld is about on par but surface is harder

[fair patrol]

wtf why do I keep getting hera

is this part of trial of salt

[dusky mountain]

probably

[fair patrol]

cause I got hera for every encounter

[dusky mountain]

trials are seeded so you get a lot of usually impossible stuff

[teal zephyr]

Nice way to get some fated list stuff out of the way

[glad dew]

It was the only way I got the Hermes legendary on my fresh save without maddening grinding

[safe widget]

It’s just making me frustrated ngl

not really having any fun with it

[devout cairn]

what u having trouble with

[teal zephyr]

I hate losing so I can relate

[fair patrol]

sirens vanquished

what does dust do?

[safe widget]

the bosses

[teal zephyr]

Just stick by it, there is a learning curve for sure but it'll feel real satisfying when you get the ropes

[safe widget]

they attacks feel unavoidable and do so much damage, and they have so much health

[bitter ivy]

some bosses feel very tanky when starting out

[fair patrol]

what do I do after beating 4 challenges in the pitch black stone

[safe widget]

idk I just remember having more fun with the first game, this game I can’t even beat the second boss most runs

[bitter ivy]

but you'll get through it believe

i think the difficulty curve is just steeper

[teal zephyr]

It's the beginning so primarily focus on learning enemy patterns and getting resources for metaprogression

[fair patrol]

guys what do I do with star dust

[bitter ivy]

hold on to it until you know what do do with it

[neon isle]

sirens are hard to learn, some tips that helped me were using the cast on the fast guitar one and focusing the drums

[devout cairn]

Scylla is a big hurdle for new players, I think once you learn her fight the game gets relatively easier until you reach Chronos. Just focus on killing the drummer first, while keeping an eye on the 2 mobile ones.

[heavy fulcrum]

New player (waited until 1.0 came out).

Quick question - what am I doing wrong/missing so badly with Lim and Oros Sister Blades? I'm sure there are builds that make them workable, but at their base form, they just seem weak. Really short range on the basic attack, without any sort of major damage to show for having to be so close. The special ranged attack just seems anemic.

Usually when this happens, it turns out I'm just missing how to use them properly, so I'd love some advice. I'll just listen to responses.

Thanks!

[devout cairn]

Knowing how to build can get you some insane damage, so if you are in doubt just ask here for what to pick during a run. Also you can always turn God Mode if you are close to quitting

[devout cairn]

Fast weapons benefit most from boons that will add on-hit damage rather than % increases, if that makes sense. For example you'd rather take poseidon attack that adds +30 per hit rather than aphro boon that would add +80% to your attack. Poseidon and Hestia attack boons are great for Sister Blades for that reason.

[safe widget]

are the dual daggers bad

[unborn ridge]

play like a cheap shotter if that close range is uncomfy with you, dash in with the teleport strike, spam a special blade and dash for the hills

repeat until enemy is no longer standing

[devout cairn]

No they are pretty good for beginners, I mostly like attack builds with them, go hestia or poseidon

[covert badge]

not realy, just need to juggling between things constantly

[unborn ridge]

this is especially effective if you use the time slowdown arcana as you can get another slowdown the moment you start up your special chargeup

[placid spruce]

NOOO concave stone forced me to take paid dues

[unborn ridge]

SUFFER >:D

[placid spruce]

Echo you absolute goober

[unborn ridge]

thats what you GET for trying to abuse multiple boons

your greed sickens me.

[placid spruce]

Next time I see echo Im telling her that guy hates her

[unborn ridge]

what the-

[devout cairn]

right back at you

[unborn ridge]

okay firstly this is your fault for being so greedy-

secondly, echo cant even reasonably lash back at you :( leave her alone

[twin rivet]

F**k Yargonaut

[safe widget]

anyway I really like the game even tho it’s probably too hard for me 🤍

[unreal hare]

i'd rather fight 3 yargonauts at the same time than one Charybdis

Charybdis is easily the hardest boss for me and it's not even a major one 😭

[devout cairn]

yargonaut fight is so chill, just get behind him and wait for the shots to bounce back

[unreal hare]

if it's too hard there's no shame in turning on god mode :D

[twin rivet]

Even with vow of Shadow? That vow is so hard on the surface but I keep forgetting to turn it off

[unreal hare]

yeah

my brain cant handle Charybdis lol

[unborn ridge]

chary is a punish-heavy boss tbh

[placid spruce]

You cant freeze bosses like typhon right

[unborn ridge]

luckily, slow attack pattern

mmm no, but you can gust from what i can see

demeter unironically the goat of hades 2

[unborn ridge]

Pig boss says hello

[fair patrol]

Why does chronos want me to not stop time

[smoky jolt]

The hardest thing in Hades 2 is ||starting a run when Artemis is singing Time Belongs to Us||

[fringe pecan]

about to fight chronos for the first time

[covert badge]

dad joke stuff

[fringe pecan]

I'm practically dead already lol, less than 150hp.
I'll try to get through phase 1 at least

[devout cairn]

don't get hit

[hexed steeple]

Is there any way to force a specific “special” enemy type? The variants you fight when you activate the Hades pillars or vow of scars?

Because I need to kill a slicer in order to 100% this game, lol

[slim pike]

Adorable

[fringe pecan]

too hard. my gen z brain loves seeing the damage numbers, I can't resist attack openings

[hexed steeple]

it’s literally the last thing I have to accomplish

[slim pike]

Only certain enemies are allowed that modifier

[hexed steeple]

where do I find these chucklenuts

[slim pike]

Crypts and the... tangly rooty things in erebus

[hot matrix]

2 questions: firstly does anybody know how u unlock ||the chaos/great chaos above/below chaos trials||?
secondly: does anybody know if the prophecy/ achievment ||"born to win||" require me to romance|| eris ||by chance? its one of the onlt achievments im missing and the prophecy dosnt show(if its not related to this than dont tell me how to unlock it)

[slim pike]

whatever they're called, immobile thing that shoots root projectiles slowly

[slim pike]

Take the Embryo to chaos

[hexed steeple]

Secondly: no.

[hot matrix]

tnx

[stable marsh]

How do you get the Spirit Mixer incantation to appear?

[hot matrix]

ok cool cause I refuse to romance her

[placid spruce]

I swear my hammers are bugged bc two hammers in a row and its all attack upgrades

[slim pike]

RNGesus laughs at you

[hexed steeple]

Here’s what you do: ||Equip the embryo pre-run and talk to Chaos during that run,|| they will activate the prophecy. If you ||keep it active|| the whole run, you’ll complete the prophecy. If you don’t ||keep it active,|| you’ll have to do the whole run ||with it active|| again.

Someone said you had to do it twice, I can personally confirm that you don’t. You just have to ||make a whole run with the embryo|| equipped.

[unborn ridge]

Heres a question for everyone
At what point do you throw all caution to the wind when chaos offers you a gold gained boon? My threshold is 80% then idc about the consequences

Be honest.

[hexed steeple]

I almost never take them unless there’s a near-or-over 100% additional gain

would rather have damage output over money

[unborn ridge]

Fair enough. Chaos damage boons go crazy

[stable marsh]

Anyone know?

[hexed steeple]

Not off hand, no. It just showed up for me. I didn’t ask questions.

[unborn ridge]

Incantation does exist eventually to let you mark offerings. Then it will mark boons that lead up to said offering (or shows you pre requisite boons taken to allow for the (duo? Legendary?)) to pop up

[fair patrol]

help I'm stuck on the first boss root stalker

[hexed steeple]

Okay, so I just need to complete this current run, get Hestia to give me her Legendary, make another run with Vow of Scars active, find a rooter enemy with a slicer effect, and kill it.

[stable marsh]

What? This doesn't have anything to do with what I asked

[hexed steeple]

that is the mini boss

[stable marsh]

Fair enough

[fair patrol]

how to beat it without taking any damage

[crude minnow]

The Banshee? When she shoots keep running circles and sprinting and hit her when she stops

[fringe pecan]

Guess who just got their butt kicked by Chronos?

[fair patrol]

i'm still trying chronos, I can reach phase 2 but then i diead because of that move that does 999 damage

[fringe pecan]

the WHAT?

[fair patrol]

phase 2

[fringe pecan]

Eh, actually nvm. Couldn't be harder than king vermin

[safe widget]

I’ll try again later if I’m not too frustrated

[fringe pecan]

I hate that mouse

[covert badge]

Run to the small safe circle when this happens, or dps skip to 50% hp

[teal zephyr]

Or parry with artemis!

[hexed steeple]

Hold dash to sprint. You can outrun the spears she shoots at you, just give yourself some distance away from her and dodge the root trap she drops to halt you.

When she stops, drop a cast. While that’s active, use your strongest attacks to drop the armor as quickly as possible. Dash through her if she starts attacking, she’ll miss and have to fully rotate to reacquire you as an active target.

Once the armor drops, just keep hitting her. The lack of armor will cause her to get stunned off of every hit that lands, which will keep you effectively safe if you’re able to hit her hard enough / fast enough to kill her quickly.

[safe widget]

I hate when I really like a game but the difficulty makes me upset

same thing happened with the Elden Ring dlc 😒

[fair patrol]

idk somehow she just takes all my health

[jaunty night]

You can enable God mode in settings if it's too annoying

[fair patrol]

I end it with like 40 or 50 remaining not that bad but I like being on full health

[hexed steeple]

Are you standing point blank range and eating all of those spears to the jaw

[jaunty night]

Worth it if you like the characters, builds etc but it's too brutal

[hexed steeple]

because that’ll definitely have that effect

[fair patrol]

how much damage do I need to easily beat chronos?

[hexed steeple]

when I teach people how to play fighting games, I tell them that space / distance is like driving a car - you don’t ride up someone else’s bumper because if they hit the brakes, the lack of space creates a relative lack of reaction time for you to avoid the collision.

This is no different. If you play with some range instead of trying to bully your way through encounters, you’ll often be able to make the reads on what’s coming and avoid them accordingly, all because you have enough time to snap-analyze the situation and do something (correct) about it

[devout cairn]

about 34

[hexed steeple]

Asking the wrong questions

[fair patrol]

i'm doing like 400 right now

but that's with charged special and I don't know how many I can get with dodiging too

[hexed steeple]

a better question is: how much damage can you create / craft a build to deal

[covert badge]

Enough?

to answer this question is idk that depends on your build

[unborn ridge]

these questions feel like ragebait

[fair patrol]

no they are genuine

[hexed steeple]

A fully leveled Lunar Ray hex with Apollo godsent buff and triple beam endcap buff fired at point blank range while the target is within a cast has done well over 9K damage in my runs

[stable marsh]

Anyone know why the "Attending a Faithful Beast" incantation hasn't shown up for me yet?

[hexed steeple]

400 ain’t s**t chief lol

[covert badge]

Which aspect btw

[fair patrol]

melione

[smoky jolt]

Which weapon?

[stable marsh]

As far as I can see online, the only requirement is having used morsel 2 times, but it isn't showing up

[teal dirge]

does the aspect of malonie (backstabs) and the skulking onslaught boon (150% backstab damage) stack?

[fair patrol]

staff

[smoky jolt]

Ah

[hexed steeple]

Mel staff, focus on buffing your special

[shy lotus]

Does anyone else skip all dialogue or is it just me

[unborn ridge]

you seem to have beaten scylla at least once, youve been up at the surface based off your previous comments, even cerb, and yet youre asking how to defeat boss 1? cmon

[proven lily]

nobody is this dedicated to liveblogging questions every ten seconds for all hours as a bit

[stable marsh]

you can use unexplainedbacn's guides if you're struggling. Or just keep playing and figure stuff out

[hexed steeple]

They’re asking how to no-sell miniboss 1

[covert badge]

Yeah dash strike > special loop with blitz tech is legit

[meager walrus]

I had a highroll circe run where double storm ring was doing 10k damage per use

[unborn ridge]

...10k

[hexed steeple]

jeebus

[stable marsh]

I've been having fun with aspect of moros with stuff like fine line, ocean swell, righteous pike. Melts

[smoky jolt]

I haven’t been using staff much tbh

[unborn ridge]

canon zeus damage

[hexed steeple]

how were you managing that

[stable marsh]

I've used it like 4 times in total

[meager walrus]

Storm ring + double strike before finding kings ransom

[smoky jolt]

Same lmao

[hexed steeple]

Staff rips if you use it well

[unborn ridge]

circe is crazy strong this patch

[stable marsh]

after 53 runs (beat the main story 2 runs ago)

[fair patrol]

NO I DIED WHAT

[meager walrus]

Also circe has double casts so it naturally is a x2 multiplier on cast damage

[smoky jolt]

I imagine, it just never gets the bone boost lmao

[stable marsh]

The movement of the familiar is jank though

[meager walrus]

Just use raki

[fair patrol]

how to unlock circe staff

[smoky jolt]

There’s an incantation to unlock weapon aspects later

[fair patrol]

I have but I can't see circe aspect

[stable marsh]

Anyone had this experience?

[hexed steeple]

Mel staff has +40 power on specials, which gets wild real quick with the right boons.

Momus staff is awesome because you can set-and-forget omega moves to auto fire 3x, which allows you to vector enemies in ways no other weapon can.

Anubis staff is downright bonkers with the right buffs.

[smoky jolt]

You don’t have the incantation done then

[fair patrol]

wdym?

[unborn ridge]

anubis staff feels like plague.inc

[jaunty night]

Any quick breakdown of Anubis staff? Unlocked it like yesterday and haven't played yet

[hexed steeple]

with the right setup, it’s “ok die”

[unborn ridge]

one thousand pigeons, eat this man

[stable marsh]

I haven't unlocked any hidden aspects because they never say the bloody dialogue

[heavy fulcrum]

Thanks for the advice on the Sister Blades all!

[smoky jolt]

There’s an incantation you can do later that unlocks weapon aspects, that’ll make aspect of Circe available to unlock

[unborn ridge]

did you learn how to play like a cheapshotter :>

[meager walrus]

With basically every weapon zeus + hera is a potential highroll build because if you get kings ransom to hit a zeus core + double strike it does giga damage

[fair patrol]

no I mean the aspect doesn't show, I only have momus and melinoe

[jaunty night]

It took me FOREVER to get Circe to say hers

[heavy fulcrum]

Heh, well, I haven't had a chance to put it in play yet, but I've listened and have it in my head, so we'll see how it goes. 🙂

[wet yew]

Is there a dump somewhere for excess zodiac sand / void lens that I missed? That stuff is piling up lol

[unborn ridge]

each clap is a lone shade doing its thing

[smoky jolt]

Interact with the center of the weapon area, that’s where you upgrade and unlock weapons

[uncut knot]

Are Asphodel encounters gone once you get the ending?

[meager walrus]

No

[proven lily]

the explanation given is, ||somehow asphodel returned||

[stable marsh]

Did you have any issues with the resting familiar incantation showing up?

[unborn ridge]

:(

[wet yew]

It's actually not that, but it's pretty close lol

[stable marsh]

I got one on literally the first run after the ending. Not sure if it's scripted that way

[unborn ridge]

absolute cerberus water

[jaunty night]

Uhh idk what that one is

[smoky jolt]

It isn’t lol

[wet yew]

yeah I did a ton of runs after ending before seeing it again

[stable marsh]

That's funny then considering I'd only had it happen like 2 times in 50 runs before then

[wet yew]

And then Cronos "explained" it the next time I saw him after Hecate

[dense venture]

How do you get Godsent Hex? Back in EA it's immediately in the Path of Stars

I'm starting a fresh save

[glass condor]

Damn i got extremely lucky n unlocked like one aspect a run for a while

[stable marsh]

Attending a faithful beast, I think it is called. Where they get more resources if you haven't used them in a while

[proven lily]

huh, that incantation's news to me

[unborn ridge]

you will require an olympian that matches up with your path of stars

[smoky jolt]

Couldn’t tell you, I’m 41 hours in and never saw a godsent hex

[jaunty night]

Well seems like yes I did have trouble getting it to show up (I don't have it yet lol)

[hexed steeple]

Your attack creates a pseudo cast damage field, your special pulls enemies to you on hit. Enemies you kill in the damage field become gold shades. Dash into them to have them go Juggernaut mode into other enemies. Omega attack creates a directional damage field instead a circular one.

[dense venture]

Will it appear in the Path of Stars or offered by the Olympian?

Been using Selene w Ares and nothing happened

[unborn ridge]

i.e.: poseidon godsent hex will only appear if you have moonwater beforehand

[warm dust]

question about spoilers ||i'm trying to do he who rebels. i have beaten prometheus 10+ times now. i have beaten the overworld with every weapon. i have gotten night's champion. i have bonds with almost everyone. i am losing my mind here how do i get the fates???||

[jaunty night]

Use all hexes once first

[unborn ridge]

they will be offered by selene's upgrades on path of stars

[dense venture]

Ah

[smoky jolt]

You need to use all hexes???

[stable marsh]

Good to know it's not just me lol. Everything online says the prerequisite is just gifting 2 morsel in total on your save. Yet it still hasn't shown up

[jaunty night]

Thanks a bunch!

[dense venture]

I'm never using moon ray loll

[unborn ridge]

what? no, i never used moon water once in my 70ish runs

[jaunty night]

Idk someone said that before

[smoky jolt]

How do you even know which hexes you haven’t used 😭

[stable marsh]

Unfortunately there isn't any up to date info anywhere on things like a list of all incantations, requried amount of each resource etc.

[fair patrol]

what does trust depended mean

[unborn ridge]

i constantly get godsent hexes

[stable marsh]

That's crazy

[slim pike]

don't mash attack, lol

[unborn ridge]

give me damage or give me death

[wet yew]

I didn't see a godsent hex until like night 80, and now I see them all the time

[smoky jolt]

Trust deepened and it essentially means you can give them more nectar and progress their storylines

[hexed steeple]

If you get a good attack boon, that field is dirty business. Hera in particular makes it a room population shredder that kills enemies in the field super fast and basically raises a dash-triggered army of seeking missiles at will.

[stable marsh]

Most of them don't even do good damage

[unborn ridge]

"our family grows and grows!"

[wet yew]

I've only used it once, got Demeter on attack and it felt dirty. Easy win

[hexed steeple]

You just have to watch out for your special. You need to fire it to pull enemies in when they won’t walk towards you or aren’t already in the field, but if they’re winding up their attack, you’ll pull them to you as they start swinging, which will just guarantee you eat hits. Dash canceling the special is key.

[smoky jolt]

I still need to unlock Anubis lmao

[jaunty night]

Special or omega special?

[hexed steeple]

Both

They will get pulled to you on the line you fired from

[short raft]

how do i complete the "forget-me-not" quest?

[hexed steeple]

so if you alter your position after firing, you’re no longer on the line

[hexed steeple]

open the list of incantations and hit the button for “remind” to highlight any necessary ingredients, then pick up marked ingredients

[hexed steeple]

some godsent hexes are kinda crap

[wet yew]

Is there a dump for excess zodiac sand and void lenses? Like a way to turn them into kudos or something that I can't find

[smoky jolt]

Does Apollo increase the radius of staff omega attack?

[hexed steeple]

not now lol, when EA shifted into v1.0 they did it for your stockpile automatically when your save file was converted for the new build

[stable marsh]

The width? Yes, pretty sure

[slim pike]

keep hold of them for ranking up

[hexed steeple]

but after that, idk, seems like y’all are on your own

[smoky jolt]

Okay cool

[wet yew]

Ranking up?

[hexed steeple]

Yes. His boons increase the range of everything attack / special you use, depending on what the buff is buffing

[slim pike]

there's an incantation to unlock a feature that's basically a resource dump for a non-gameplay ranking system

[wet yew]

Oh hmm, do you know how to unlock that? I've got the 3 nights champion statues and I've finished the fates quest

[slim pike]

Very late game, all I'll say

[wet yew]

Is it like, max hearts with everyone or something?

[slim pike]

it's meant to be an endgame resource sponge

[wet yew]

I am not afraid of spoilers if you're trying to spare me

[hexed steeple]

idk if it’s a ranking system, because kudos are used to buy “improvements” to the crossroads

[proven lily]

huh, that's odd--- I'm further behind than that but have it and have for a while

[teal zephyr]

I've completed epilogue and 120+ nights in still hasn't unlocked for me

[tranquil wren]

aw man I'm so sad now. hecate told me she's not going to speak much anymore, and now ||odysseus is going away 😭||

[hexed steeple]

||he comes back||

[tranquil wren]

okay cool. it actually felt very bittersweet

[hexed steeple]

yeah I feel you, was worried I’d lose out on hearing Grecian pierce brosnan too

[unborn ridge]

you take that back!

[hexed steeple]

I just call it like I see it, Aphrodite’s in particular is super buns

Meanwhile, Apollo’s turns Lunar Ray into the god damned kamehameha lol

[unborn ridge]

its got its.. uhm uses you can like uhh.. er.. get.. close and..

[covert badge]

free dmg with full invincibility, also dmg x3 if have sunny

[unborn ridge]

🤢 its kinda ass ok there are some bad ones

[hexed steeple]

“free” damage isn’t “major” damage imo

if Aph is pushing Dark Side to be dealing 2200 total and Apollo is pushing Lunar Ray into the 8K~10K range, I think the math hath spoken lololol

[wet yew]

Any chance you could elaborate on this? Trying to google and getting nowhere

[fair patrol]

mirrored + chaos that regenrates magic and hexes is so good

[hexed steeple]

I have to use Aph’s godsent hex twice to hit half what Apollo’s will be dealing once

and he can also fire it twice, so yowza

[unborn ridge]

that feeling when apollo just does more damage than the healthbar

[covert badge]

but you have to stand still tho if not having prominence

[hexed steeple]

and that’s not even getting into what fresh hell you can accomplish if you use sky fall correctly

[unborn ridge]

i looked at eris funny one run

[hexed steeple]

Doesn’t matter, hit me for 40dmg, I’m going to end this boss fight in a single blow

[unborn ridge]

and then i was on olympus

[hexed steeple]

I’m dead serious, I have one-shotted entire phases of Typhon and Chronos with Apollo boosted Lunar Ray

[unborn ridge]

yeah i know ive witnessed the glory of apollo ray

bosses be like: i have a chance of defeating this witch this run 😂 no youre not, 😂 , the sun is so bright it hurts

return to shadow you 😂

[hexed steeple]

if you have triple beam and Apollo, plus a decent amount of power buff getting there to those upgrades, it’s a legitimate conversation ender

hit me has hard as you like, the hit might not even land in time lolololol

[peak roost]

Anyone know where can I find entropy?

[unborn ridge]

thats a big ol spoiler my friend

[covert badge]

lets just say its story stuff

[unborn ridge]

indeed

[hexed steeple]

you get it when they give it to you, and they give it to you when you’re meant to get it for story progression purposes

[unborn ridge]

and youre only meant to get it when the Time is right B)

[hexed steeple]

lol what sucks is that she has so many phases that you can’t just dust her outright with it

[unborn ridge]

wrong answer, double godsent hex 🗣️

[hexed steeple]

uhh

you do know how many times she shields up during that fight, right

[unborn ridge]

not enough

[hexed steeple]

more than the number of godsent hexes you get

[nimble tangle]

I don't know where to post this but is there any plans for colorblind support of any kind? I've been playing and I'm having a hard time 🙁

[hexed steeple]

especially if you’re talking about it being the second area

[hexed steeple]

Are there no useful options in the accessibility menu?

[fair patrol]

I freed cerebues

[nimble tangle]

I can double check but I don't think so...

[fair patrol]

tartarus next

Unseal...

[hexed steeple]

If not, email them - I can tell you for a fact that a lot of the visuals in early access were altered through updates just to make things more clear for accessibility purposes

so they absolutely care, and will take your feedback / requests seriously

[nimble tangle]

Thanks - I'll double check first and give emailing them a shot if there isn't anything

[barren bluff]

Hi, I have a question. ||do the doors that make you drop from the sky on mount olympus count as bonus rooms? as in, if you take all the doors on the ground you end up doing more encounters?||

[fair patrol]

tartarus is so cool, music and everything is amazing

[buoyant matrix]

no everything is a main room

[neon isle]

its possible that hades' colorblind support isnt great, the first game needed it modded in too

[nimble tangle]

I know that's why I was hoping this one would be better

[neon isle]

mhm i hope you find a solution </3

[twin rivet]

After I get the ||spear from Zagreus, I just have to beat Typhon some more|| for the ending right?

[neon isle]

you gotta incant it but yeag

[dull rampart]

Hello

[hard stratus]

Aight, let me tell you guys something. Dialogues, dialogues in this game was written by geniuses! They are soooooooo goooooood, I can't express enough, how good are those dialogues!

[twin rivet]

Tbh I wonder what the mystery ingredient is

[next cargo]

the game does come alive when there's so much dialogue to discover

[solar tulip]

Vows when No Arcana and suddenly 60% more enemies, enemies from the next region and perks and I feel like I am in some kind of purgatory lol

[rich salmon]

What is Hephaestus’s boon logo meant to be?

[hearty trout]

Why does white antler only last one region?

[unkempt zodiac]

To encourage diversity in what speedrunners pick, iirc

[buoyant matrix]

because speedrunners had to run it region 1 and just hope they hit the boon they want, it was awful

[hazy parrot]

because itd be broken if you could run it for more than that

[hearty trout]

[pallid cradle]

Idk the proper name of it, but it's the thing that blacksmiths use to hold a blade as they're putting it in fire or hammering it.

[meager elk]

Tongs?

[unkempt zodiac]

Really wouldn't be helpful except for speedrunning, which can have its meta defined however

[rich salmon]

I think thats for cooking

[buoyant matrix]

that's a kitchen utensil

[hazy parrot]

there are heavier duty tongs used in crafting

like you use tongs to cook, and T O N G S to craft and smith

[fair patrol]

max level excellence tarot... yes!!!!

[rich salmon]

Lmao T O N G S

[iron sonnet]

ton

[rich salmon]

Oh thats actually what they are called “blacksmith tongs”

[iron sonnet]

ton 618

[dense yacht]

I really dislike how much Silver and Adamant the game requires of you? None of the other resources are in nearly as high demand.

[meager elk]

Oh wow i was right. they are called tongs
You guys made me doubt myself

[buoyant matrix]

the ever reliable raki:

[meager walrus]

Silver is in high demand

I haven't noticed the game asking for a lot of adamant

[crude minnow]

|| black coat || upgrades 🙁

[meager walrus]

That's not that much iirc

[fresh kelp]

Man how do y'all manage your runs around Selene aspect of the coat?

[meager walrus]

At least not nearly compared to how much silver you need

[dense yacht]

I k now, and I'm finally done with those, but I do wish the game wasn't railroading me so hard into using Raki.

[hazy parrot]

i dont use it 👍👍👍

i manage my runs by choosing the weapons around it

[meager walrus]

I pick boons that increase magick cost so the omega comes online faster, also take path of stars to make omega stronger

[mystic cypress]

How do I unlock the aspect of ||Bouldy?||

[teal zephyr]

Just cycle through omegas pretty much

[meager elk]

is it just me or is the black coat damage just so low? compared to other weaps

[errant osprey]

Aspect of ||nyx|| damage is pretty good

[glass condor]

Nah i just did a Nyx run that shredded

[errant osprey]

With additive damage boons

[little mason]

no its good

[meager elk]

im just bad at the game then damn

[little mason]

just punch faster my guy

[glass condor]

Use special and u can cancel out of animation with attack and attack while specials shooting

U gotta spam rockets n punches between rocket salvos

[meager elk]

im trying to figure out polyphem move set with vow turned on
i cannot with the coat

[fathom lake]

Apollo Exceptional Talent and O Attack on coat goes hard

[glass condor]

Oh ye its a tricky fight to read with the poison

[uneven gulch]

were legendary boons made rarer in this update? I have had multiple consecutive runs where I meet all of the requirements for exceptional talent and then never get it despite miniboss boons and rerolls.

[dull spindle]

Is the person singing in the second area the sirens? Melinoe goes “that singing” as if I haven’t killed these 3 50 times already

[iron sonnet]

yeah that fight took me a few times to really learn it
for an easier time don't attack him during the looking phase

[meager elk]

Which one are those boons? not familiar with the names yet

[atomic oxide]

apollo's legendary, which makes omega attacks and spec hit twice

[proven prism]

Hey guys, I'm trying to get the "Dressed to Kill" achievement whats the best way to go about this?

|| Is it possible to get the achievement while doing the "final" story run where you dont have to fight Hecate? because that's what I'm on right now and I'm thinking that's when it'd be easiest to do ||

Other then that idk what else could make it easier

[atomic oxide]

I just played the game slowly trying not to get hit, using aracne keepsake that increases your armor after every encounter, and choosing the biggest shield she can give you in erebus

[meager elk]

maybe i’ll just be content with dying to poly over and over until i learn the fight. at least i get to advance crossroads dialogue

[fair patrol]

is hades 1 good playing?

because i wnat to play it i never played hade 1

[atomic oxide]

absolutely yes! 100% worth playing

[glass condor]

Yes play 1 first itll make hades 2 much much better

Hades 1 iis a perfect game imo

[fair patrol]

I have hades 1 but I never played it

[glass condor]

Stop what ur doing and play it now. Wish i could be in ur shoes rn

I wanna forget about it n play it for the first time again

[unkempt zodiac]

Imo h1 has some gameplay issues but it doesn't matter anymore because h2 fixes all of them

[haughty patrol]

Does origination boost boon damage too? Like hephatus explosions?

[smoky jolt]

I hate Polyphem

Probably the only region boss between both games I actively dislike fighting

[verbal rampart]

Develop. Too hard? Bad gameplay?

[smoky jolt]

He’s just annoying

[glass condor]

The poison is annoying for sure

[smoky jolt]

Poison wasn’t fun last time and it’s not fun this time

[glass condor]

If u have a weapon with range hes not too bad tho

[hasty ocean]

just get a cracked build in Ephyra and phase him before he can do anything

[glass condor]

I guess that most bosses lol

[smoky jolt]

Yeah with range it’s less obnoxious but still just not really fun

[meager elk]

I’m still in the learning phase on the fight so maybe i’ll eventually learn how to dodge and get gud

[tropic monolith]

Poly's vow version is a surprising jump in difficulty for a lot of builds

[limpid oar]

I like fighting Poly with ranged weapons, loathe it with anything close range

[smoky jolt]

Frenzy is also really bad with him

[tropic monolith]

also Trial of the Supreme should be 5 difficulty, what's with it being rated 3 (Aspect of Shiva, pure group focused setup, have to nibble Prommy to death at the end)

[meager elk]

like sometimes i have my eyes on poly and medea pops out behind me and backstabs me with a poison jumpscare

[tropic monolith]

the bigger problem I have is that there's almost no chances to get in and do anything melee to poly during the whole fight

Though medea jumpscaring is part of that

[devout cairn]

dont keep ur eyes on poly he's very big it's hard not to hit him

[fair patrol]

new aspect idea:
Hell Aspect
+500 damage
all attacks and specials are omega and cost no magic and are extremely fast
start with 5 random boons
each room gives +5 rewards
all arcana get activated
weapon can switch to other weapons when pressing V (to which staff, etc)
dodge is 100% chance

i'm thinking of more ideas

[smoky jolt]

The phase transition on rivals Poly is obnoxious

[tropic monolith]

?

[smoky jolt]

If you’re using a melee weapon you’re basically forced to just not fight at all until the poison puddles leave

[meager elk]

so do i ignore him until the poison on the ground goes away? what do we do then

[devout cairn]

when medea covers the arena with poison yes i'd recommend just chilling in a spot

[broken glen]

Just sorta fire in his general direction but focus on dashing around poison

[devout cairn]

the poison goes away very fast

poly is blind he will not rush you down if you want a timeout real quick

[meager walrus]

I usually just go and hit him

[glass condor]

Tranquil gain my beloved

[smoky jolt]

I wish he was a more fun fight cuz city is the coolest area

[meager walrus]

If its actually impossible to hit him i stand in a spot with no poison and he will jump to me

[tulip dome]

what exactly does it mean to "master enough nocturnal arms" to unlock Schelemeus?

[fair patrol]

master them

like be good at them

[smoky jolt]

I tried a Charon surface run with rivals and frenzy on

Not a fun Poly fight

[tropic monolith]

Charon ought to be fine vs poly

[smoky jolt]

I didn’t have a gain yet since I was running Jewel and didn’t find a good one

[tropic monolith]

that would do it

[smoky jolt]

And I don’t run the magic giant arcana so it was just kinda miserable

Still somehow made it to rivals Typhon though (who promptly killed me cuz that was my first attempt at him)

Turns out learning the rivals 4 bosses when you run frenzy 2 is hard

[tropic monolith]

that's weird

[smoky jolt]

Wdym

[tropic monolith]

oh I was just playing the straight man to your statement

[smoky jolt]

Oh lol

I really need to learn Eris lmao

She’s probably my worst boss

[tropic monolith]

she gets depressingly easy once you learn her tells

It makes Poly really stand out

[smoky jolt]

I’ve only ever had like 2 or 3 runs where I don’t pop a death defiance to her

[tropic monolith]

yeah she's really bursty if you don't know when to move exactly

[smoky jolt]

30 damage per laser tick is NASTY

[meager elk]

do the record keeper shades have a count/stats to how many times i died to a specific enemy?

[smoky jolt]

No clue

[remote locust]

Hades 2 characters tier list, but ranked by how enjoyable company they'd be at a diner

[pallid cradle]

I know the codex keeps track of how many times you've killed that enemy type. Idk if it keeps how many times you've died to it.

[crude dragon]

Melinoe gets her own tier below F

[remote locust]

Damn, why's that?

[smoky jolt]

I really don’t like Ares in this game tbh

[crude dragon]

Prometheus is an A or S tier, he'd be forseeing all the different menu options and how they'd taste, then giving recommendations

[urban anvil]

how does Wounds work? It says that "your strike has +50 power", but what does it mean by your strike?
Is that your weapon dmg or only the type of attack/special that caused it?

[smoky jolt]

It doesn’t feel like you can really build around him besides plasma builds which rely on a legendary

[glass condor]

Charon would be a nice conversation partner

[tropic monolith]

whatever hit applied the wound is the strike

[pallid cradle]

That's because he has 2 good boons.

His attack and grievous blow

[crude dragon]

Well, being in a diner means she's around mortals. Which means she'd be saying a bunch of really out-of-pocket things about said mortals

[urban anvil]

ok thank you

[tropic monolith]

yeah Ares is much sadder to get this time around

[glass condor]

Ares good with big chunky hits, not so much faster stuff

[smoky jolt]

Which one even is grievous blow?

[glass condor]

But i miss H1 ares for sure

[crude dragon]

Minicrit chance when hitting an enemy with Wounds

[smoky jolt]

Ah that’d good

[remote locust]

I might be more forgiving socially, but I feel like that'd be interesting, talking about the ways mortals and gods differ. I just got a Twin Lures dialogue with Icarus that touches upon that sort of conversation, too

[unkempt zodiac]

Doom is broadly replaced by blitz/froth/wounds/blast

[remote locust]

Beyblades my beloved 🥹

[smoky jolt]

Even Ares’ attack boon just feels like a worse Aphro or Apollo

[tropic monolith]

...why do Promethues' adds just ... leave?

[devout cairn]

plasma needs a buff, i pick up on average like 6% of it in each room. Maybe 15% if I deliberately go look for them, but that's just time wasted and it doesn't make things any easier

[tropic monolith]

plasma needs a decent auto-pick range by default

[crude dragon]

Because by the time they show up, he's usually about to do another Simon Says

[unkempt zodiac]

It applies a status effect! Pretty good for origination and also that initial wounds damage is nice for crowd damaging

[glass condor]

Yeah hunting blades was sick

[tropic monolith]

no, I'm nowhere close to it and they just launch one attack then jump away and are gone

[placid spruce]

Does Casts damage foes that join the encounter require the cast to be up the moment they are spawning or can I use the cast as they are spawning

[crude dragon]

Yeah, it really only starts going crazy when you get Heinous

[smoky jolt]

That’s nice but it’s never really hard to gets statuses to use

[glass condor]

Best attack boon for dagger omegas but havent used it other than that

[crude dragon]

I mean, so does Hera and her percentages aren't wack

[tropic monolith]

Ares is a better boss boon than Hera, but that's not saying much

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah Hera is really good

[crude dragon]

IMO, Ares should've had his potencies between Hera and Demeter, not below Dem (reasonably sure his bonus is 40% at Epic and Dem's is 45%)

[tropic monolith]

...Ares is also good to put on attack/special you don't want to use too much so you can do one whack for big damage then something else

Similar to Heph but more frequently

[glass condor]

Same with hephestus

[remote locust]

Heph's blasts go bonkers with some poms tho

[smoky jolt]

Heph also has this thing called good boons

[tropic monolith]

oh I'm not saying Ares is good

[mental forge]

tbh zag for smash.

[mental forge]

hades 1 ares over hades 2 ares any day

[remote locust]

Only if we also get Palutena's Guidance style conversations about cast members between Hades characters

[smoky jolt]

Palutena’s Temple dialogue for Zagreus would be hysterical

[mental forge]

doom and blade rift are exponential better than plasma and wound

[tropic monolith]

plasma especially is just so clunky

[mental forge]

but also tbf I always am running hella magic regen so plasma just never helps me

[tropic monolith]

I get they wanted to leave room for his legendary to suck it up, but it makes base plasma crap

[remote locust]

Mild disagree, but I also have more fun with melee playstyles, so I'm more in the thick of the plasma soup

[smoky jolt]

Plasma would be better imo if it was automatically collected and the legendary did something else

[tropic monolith]

melee is still nowhere near most of the plasma!

[devout cairn]

buff the plasma pick up range, change the legendary to something else

[smoky jolt]

Any archetype that relies on its legendary to not be atrocious is just not good

[devout cairn]

also change it to blood and the more you have of it the more mel is covered in it

maybe im going too far

[mental forge]

what Ive found damn good is Hera special on black coat

[tropic monolith]

Speaking of Mel being covered

Does it bug anyone else that Mel's armored leg is the one that her stance puts in the back?

[devout cairn]

no...

[winged geyser]

Does anyone know if anything happens if you complete every single prophecy from the fated list?

[noble egret]

it does now

[tulip dome]

I;d say I am, he doesnt think so 😭

[tropic monolith]

...oops

[fair patrol]

idk

[jolly hound]

platinum trophy maybe

[winged geyser]

No, I already unlocked all the achievements

[smoky jolt]

You know a run is gonna suck when you get hit with the Fate’s whim first room Ares

[tropic monolith]

some weapons can make it work

[smoky jolt]

True I just don’t like Ares lol

[tropic monolith]

yeah I feel that

[winged geyser]

I didn't in h1 but in h2? Hell yeah

[tropic monolith]

that's when I pray for the forced-replace item from a well

[smoky jolt]

Hope he gets some major buffs cuz he just isn’t fun rn

Unless you’re doing a plasma run but that’s really just a gimmick atm

[pallid cradle]

They're not all required. Trust me.

I have the Plat and I got it before completing all of them.

[tropic monolith]

Trial of the Supreme is the perfect "why Ares sucks" trial, Supergiant should spend some time playing it repeatedly until they figure out how to fix him

[wispy storm]

Any specific tips on the nemesis gold achievement or will it just happen naturally

[tropic monolith]

it's the hidden coat + a bunch of ares boons, with the only way to get magick back being plasma

[devout cairn]

naturally

[smoky jolt]

Does it at least give you the legendary?

[pallid cradle]

You have to run into her and win the kill race 10 times. Since you get 100 per win.

[rigid fulcrum]

You know, I wish that Strength worked in reverse. Where you got the bonus if you hadn't used a death defiance.

[teal zephyr]

He's pretty good I like him

[tropic monolith]

nope!

You have to pray you get it from one of the boons along the way

[wispy storm]

Oh wait it's in total not at once?

[pallid cradle]

Nah you can't get 1000 gold in 1 win bro

[wispy storm]

oh, i figured it was at once and needed like extra enemies vow and like the poseidon money stuff etc xD

[tropic monolith]

the Nem gold doesn't scale by enemies ^^

[uneven gulch]

my most recent run has convinced me that legendary boons were secretly removed from the game recently

[pallid cradle]

It's a fixed 100 gold each win

[wispy storm]

that clears things up a lot thanks yall xD

[smoky jolt]

I see a legendary boon like once every 5 runs

Actually that’s generous, more like 10

[wispy storm]

legendaries are the number one reason to pick miniboss doors

[uneven gulch]

I met the requirements for sanguinary savour in EREBUS and then never got it at all despite taking 2 ares miniboss boons and multiple non-miniboss boons.

[urban anvil]

wtf, I had selene's keepsake on, yet i didnt get a SINGLE path of stars until the final charon shop, and its not the first time its happend either (last time i didnt get one at ALL)

[smoky jolt]

Do miniboss boons have better rarity odds?

[uneven gulch]

why do I even bother using the arcana that increases legendary chance if I'm getting runs like that?

[stable marsh]

Is the only way to get Morsel by brewing it?

[wispy storm]

yeah i think it ups each chance by like +10% which for legendaries is pretty much double

[smoky jolt]

That’s pretty nice

[wispy storm]

Only consistent way yes, way way late into the game you can occasionally get like 1 morsel per run at 12 fear or higher not worth waiting for

[uneven gulch]

excellence is supposed to increase the chance by 50%

[tropic monolith]

and it felt like a joke reward!

[limpid oar]

Well there's a reason why most people don't play excellence

[stable marsh]

Thanks

[wispy storm]

i literally have no idea what they were thinking xD

[smoky jolt]

50% of the existing legendary chance I imagine

[tropic monolith]

I didn't even recognize the icon at first I was all, "Well that looks cool wonder what it is"

[uneven gulch]

that makes sense, yeah

[smoky jolt]

Isn’t that crap card like 5 grasp?

[limpid oar]

Yes, it multiplies whatever the base legendary chance is by 1.5, it doesn't add +50% to the chance

[tropic monolith]

and yet I swear the familiar gathering boost increase is +50%, not x150% base

[uneven gulch]

I'm paying 5 grasp for boons that I still never get and rarely aim for

[wispy storm]

no way bro what were they thinking 😭

[urban anvil]

how tf are you supposed to react to the vow of rivals eris laser attack? Even if i predict it idk how to reliably dodge it

[tropic monolith]

either be a long ways away from her, or get behind her

Mid range will get you killed

[smoky jolt]

For 5 grasp they should just add the flat 50% legendary chance

[wispy storm]

for REAL poor patroclus man

[urban anvil]

kinda hard to do when she hugs the edges of the arena and i have too many vfx on my screen to see wtf is happening (does her laser not have infinite range)

[limpid oar]

For 5 grasp it should just automatically give you the legendary once you meet the prereqs without needing to pick up another boon

[smoky jolt]

That would honestly be fire

[wispy storm]

even if it was this i still wouldnt take it so straight up yeah

[smoky jolt]

That would genuinely make Ares work

[rigid fulcrum]

Yeah, it's like regular eris, but more painful. Make sure to always get behind her fast.

If she's at the edges, squeeze in to the side.

[tropic monolith]

ugh don't make Ares work by requiring a 5 cost arcana to pull his legendary ><

[urban anvil]

is there any way to tell which direction the laser will sweep in?

[smoky jolt]

Better than not working at all

[rigid fulcrum]

She tries to sweep it towards you.

[wispy storm]

towards you im pretty sure

[rigid fulcrum]

I like Ares just fine... He's fun.

[wispy storm]

for me rivals eris has this rythm component as well, like if she stands still for a second i anticipate a lazer

[tropic monolith]

he already works fine in general just stay away from his plasma boons

[fair patrol]

scylla and the sirens

[urban anvil]

I like ares with aspect of selene, thats how i won my first 2 surface runs

[limpid oar]

chat hear me out: what if excellence just gave you a random legendary at the start of the run? would you click that for 5 grasp?

[rigid fulcrum]

Like Plasma isn't the strongest thing, but it's perfectly fine.

[tropic monolith]

plasma collection makes it not perfectly fine

[rigid fulcrum]

I don't mind it.

[smoky jolt]

Locking in a random god for the run would be interesting

[tropic monolith]

God of War -> spend all your time gathering up the easter eggs enemies spew out for you instead of fighting

[wispy storm]

I feel like a good few legendaries need some cores to synergize with like ares's so they're not exactly all standalone

[uneven gulch]

6 grasp if god keepsakes allow you to control the legendary you get

[rigid fulcrum]

I just incindentally pick them up while fighting, I don't worry about getting each one.

[wispy storm]

plus not having to earn a really good legendary like zeus's would feel cheap

[tropic monolith]

so you're getting a 3-4% movespeed boost by the end of a fight 😛

[urban anvil]

can you have more than one legendary per run?

[wispy storm]

yeah nothing's stopping you

[limpid oar]

I haven't seen a legendary in the last 200 runs or so

[rigid fulcrum]

I'm ok with this.

[uneven gulch]

if you get that you should consider playing a lottery instead of hades 2

[wispy storm]

besides prerequisites needing cores and you only have so many cores, past the trade offers

[urban anvil]

lol true

[smoky jolt]

They should entirely rework the legendary to something new then mega buff the plasma

[tropic monolith]

nah it means you blew your luck in Hades 2, avoid the lottery

[uneven gulch]

does this mean I should play the lottery now that I have been denied legendaries for 4 runs in a row?

[tropic monolith]

that's how probability works!

[smoky jolt]

The tricky thing with plasma is that it’s weak without legendary and strong with it, so just simply buffing plasma could risk making the legendary too strong

[devout cairn]

legendary's gotta go

[wispy storm]

yeah same, plasma is not crazy crazy, but it's pretty unobtrusive once you know that the gain is subtle unless legendaried, like if i'm not using a magick heavy build im not gonna turn down an incidental 5% speed with slight regen for funsies

[smoky jolt]

Pretty much

[uneven gulch]

maybe auto collection should be a base feature of plasma and then things are balanced around that

[smoky jolt]

This would also work

[uneven gulch]

because running around to pick up plasma hurts your dps a lot from my experience

[smoky jolt]

Either auto collect, or mega buff it, and in both instances change the legendary into something new

[uneven gulch]

alternatively, the distance that plasma can travel from its source could be greatly reduced so getting close to enemies allows you to pick up all the plasma automatically

[smoky jolt]

Only exception is like Supay lmao

[rigid fulcrum]

Yup. I'm not excited about it, but I'll be fine with it. Ares has a lot of other boons that are great, so I don't feel bad about picking him up.

[wispy storm]

I've also often thought that Ares could benefit froma boon that alter wounds like hera and demeter have, except it'd shorten wounds, for extra +power but less consistent grievious if it's not on your primary

[smoky jolt]

Making plasma land directly where the enemy is standing would be a fun change

[tropic monolith]

this is what I don't get; even running a melee focus you can't collect plasma because it splatters

[wispy storm]

Not that wounds is mathematically bad but it'd make wounds feel cooler

[urban anvil]

does anyone else use gale as their familiar?

[devout cairn]

it's a third of his boons, it being "unobtrusive" actively makes the game worse. I wanna be excited to build around stuff like that, not being "yeah I won't notice I have this unless I get a legendary"

[wispy storm]

they're excellent, 12 free hits and more handpicked resources

[uneven gulch]

plasma is one of ares' main mechanics so it being viewed as a random little extra boon like extra dose is bad

[urban anvil]

well i just wasted all 3 hits in the first 2 rooms soooooo

[tropic monolith]

this is me.

Also why I run crit% or evade% familiar instead >.>

I think there's an evade%...

If not that explains why I'm just stuck on crit%

[uneven gulch]

gale seems like the kind of thing that's very powerful if you're good at the game and very weak if you're not

[rigid fulcrum]

I'm a Raki lover.

[wispy storm]

-# the only advice i can give to fix this problem will not sound very helpful so i will hold my tongue

[tropic monolith]

also isn't very helpful, everyone already knows they need to git gud

[rigid fulcrum]

Gale is probably great at super high fear levels. Where every hit matters and when you're good enough for that.

[uneven gulch]

if you get hit hundreds of times per run, gale is only removing like 10% of the damage you take. If you get hit 12 times per run, gale is removing 100% of the damage you take.

[tropic monolith]

if you get pinged for 10 damage every 2 rooms and are healing between rooms, gale removes 0% you take even

[neon isle]

also taking a core boon for fun isnt something i like to do bc it drastically decreases the chances of getting a sacrifice on that slot

[wispy storm]

i totally agree for the record i would much prefer if his kit was better, he's the most lacking god in the game for sure which is pretty tonally dissonant, i'm only speaking from the perspective of trying to have a good time with the kit we got since i'd hate to disregard his entire set because of the worse off half

[rigid fulcrum]

If you get hit 0 times in a run, Gale is removing none of the damage you take.

[urban anvil]

raki is the only one i dont have yet, but its my fav for sure

[fair patrol]

habes

[tropic monolith]

my friend and I both had to specifically go hunting for Raki after about 30 hours of play without either of us finding him

[devout cairn]

someone cooked here

[errant osprey]

I thought you need to get raki to get the last two?

[tropic monolith]

if you did, you don't any more

[rigid fulcrum]

You do not.

[limpid oar]

I believe it is the go-to choice for 67 these days

[urban anvil]

oh god i just attempted to fight ||zag|| 4 rooms into my run and forgot i still had a 42% extra dmg taken chaos boon

[merry whale]

gale has 100% of 67 clears iirc, i'm doing toula circe tho cuz gale sucks ass on circe

[urban anvil]

especially since it was my second ever attempt, and each of his hits took one of my lives, it did NOT go well

[merry whale]

everyone and their mother playing mel staff

[tropic monolith]

dw you're just being a good little sister and letting big bro zag get one win off you so he won't feel bad

[rigid fulcrum]

I'm just not good enough for 67 fear, so I won't worry about it :3

[limpid oar]

if I was good enough for 67 I would try to add some torch representation in there

[tropic monolith]

mel staff is kinda broken 🙁

[urban anvil]

i dont think ill be winning anytime soon, i had only 4 fear that time

[merry whale]

with 50 magick

[limpid oar]

1 ospecial and 5 oattacks per room, surely that's enough for Moros right

[rigid fulcrum]

Supay life :3

[merry whale]

i'm under the impression that 67 is straight up impossible on torches, i'd like to be proven wrong tho

[tropic monolith]

I just can't like torches. I've tried.

especially mel torches make me QQ

[devout cairn]

post a video about it being impossible on youtube and you probably will

[teal zephyr]

Nah it's just strong and simple to use

[urban anvil]

aspect of eos is my favorite aspect in the game, idk if its good or not on high fear but i love playing it anyway

[tropic monolith]

"just" strong -> +50 power on its ranged attack

[devout cairn]

just try moros

[urban anvil]

the skull is my least favorite

[fair patrol]

do you guys like the Staff?#

[outer cradle]

Boons for aspect of Eos?
Perhaps Blitz special, Hera attack?

[limpid oar]

I have a feeling that ||gigaros+inverted spark || start on Mel torches may be able to pull it off, but fishing for that start sounds miserable

[devout cairn]

I wanna like Eos but sometimes the cloud doesn't go where I want it to go so I just use Moros instead 😔

[teal zephyr]

Mel Axe gets +50 so what

[merry whale]

prob 🤔

[tropic monolith]

You don't see the difference between +50 damage on basic attack only which is a slow melee (mel axe) and +50 damage on ranged special and omega special with a decent firing rate (mel staff)?

[rustic basin]

I like all of 'em other than Mel's (tho my appreciation for Momus is more conceptually than actually playing it lol)

[urban anvil]

oh great, right after saying i hate the skull it happens to be the enhanced one for the night, fml

[teal zephyr]

Not slow if you're utilizing the dash strike

[tropic monolith]

I like the momus staff a lot and think it's criminally underrated

[teal zephyr]

I don't see what's so broken about mel staff, if it had no bonus to it it wouldn't be usable

[devout cairn]

but it does so it's strong

[tropic monolith]

make the bonus be just on the omega then, it fits with it giving +energy

[rigid fulcrum]

I don't know if it's broken. It's all right for it to be good.

[tropic monolith]

moros is my favorite torches, if I have to use them

[outer cradle]

Should I be on 12 Fear to get the bonus stuff? (Night Altars I think it's called?)

[errant osprey]

Most aspects would be bad if they didn’t do anything, yes lol

[tropic monolith]

if you can handle it, but it's just 1 item per run

[outer cradle]

A potential nightmare, right?

[tropic monolith]

sometimes it's 1 pet treat

[rigid fulcrum]

I wish I could recycle pet treats.

[outer cradle]

Dang. What is it called again?

[tropic monolith]

what's what called again?

[outer cradle]

The thing that gives you stuff when you're on 12 fear

[limpid oar]

you need to become one with the daybreaker

Eos is like having a teammate for your run

[tropic monolith]

...I was afraid you were gonna say that. My cauldron is cooking and I don't recall the specific name >.>

[rigid fulcrum]

Frinos is crying.

[outer cradle]

lol

[devout cairn]

hey anything is better than Toula! Am I right?

[rigid fulcrum]

I like Toula. I just don't use her because I'm strength loving now.

[delicate acorn]

Raki is my beloved

[teal zephyr]

It's either Raki or Hecuba

[hasty ocean]

everybody loves crits

[delicate acorn]

Frinos because I'm too lazy to bother with Hecate sometimes

[rigid fulcrum]

If Toula worked the same, but had Raki's crit bonus, I'd use Toula.

[hasty ocean]

Hecuba is good for getting a head start on magick hungry builds

[tropic monolith]

+8% global damage is nothing to sneeze at

[outer cradle]

When you undo a night, is the skull bonus still on the same weapon?

[rigid fulcrum]

It's not quite global, I think?

[tropic monolith]

anything that the crits work on then !

[hasty ocean]

yeah, it's like loading a save from right before you start the run

[rigid fulcrum]

Sure, but lots of things can't crit.

[tropic monolith]

?

[outer cradle]

Thanks!

[rigid fulcrum]

Well, a few things can't crit. Like Scorch, Circe leash, etc.

[tropic monolith]

yeah; only a few things ^^

Almost global 😛

[uneven gulch]

I wish that torches had an aspect which plays into the fine line / ocean swell / static shock spam that the attack is good for

[slate falcon]

I love the extremely specific dialogue that can pop up (not sure if 1.0 or not) ||https://i.imgur.com/D9iKPdV.jpeg||

[lyric zenith]

Isn't that just Mel/Moros?

[fair patrol]

just started hades 1

[uneven gulch]

moros turns attacks into explosions and mel adds crit chance to the attack specifically, so no

[tropic monolith]

part of what makes the game amazing 😄

[lyric zenith]

Omega spam is mostly innate to the weapon, though

[delicate acorn]

Torches in general love Fine Line/Ocean Swell though? They're spamming Omegas anyway

[lyric zenith]

Doesn't need an aspect ^

[rigid fulcrum]

Imgur hates me for some reason, what does it say?

[uneven gulch]

I guess it does make more sense to have the aspects encourage you to do things other than what the weapon is already good for

[fair patrol]

Few tales are told of Hades, whose very name inspires fear and penitence, reminding us of the inevitable fate which we all share.

[delicate acorn]

This is why Hidden Knives are so fun because they're not the regular knives :V

[uneven gulch]

if mel torches didn't buff only the attacks then I would never try using things like apollo boons on torches

[teal zephyr]

Torches do play into fine line and ocean swell though

[tropic monolith]

Pan should just be hidden knives instead

[slate falcon]

Selene: ||You bear my Aspect, my Arcana, and my Moon Beam all at once? Oh, little star, you are yourself and need not seek to be like me. Although, perhaps my steeds would welcome a new rider at some point.||

[tropic monolith]

UK?

If so or your IP is from there, is banned

[rigid fulcrum]

Yeah, I think my IP is banned yeah ^^

[pallid cradle]

In the earlier/original forms of it yea. Pan now would've been the most disappointing hidden aspect.

[tropic monolith]

Pan now is very disappointing because of its habit of orbiting instead of hitting 🙁

[uneven gulch]

it's called pan because it belongs in the toilet pan

[rigid fulcrum]

Pan wants to be Aspect of Chiron so badly.

[delicate acorn]

I will say at least throwing your cast, turning AROUND and throwing the omega special looks badass

[pallid cradle]

Throw it in the bin now. Idk what the best aspect for daggers would even be now for an all weapons speedrun. Probably Morrigan unless you wanted to start with daggers and reset for trick knives on arty or mel

[rigid fulcrum]

Morrigan is kind of fun.