h2-discussion

[grizzled mural]

oh I forgot how to add spoilers

[honest solar]

i like the black coats

[wraith barn]

|| before and after

[hallow swallow]

im mad. i reached the flying girl and died... i took literally every single shotgun hit 😐

[meager walrus]

pick a safe aspect that you are good at

[wraith barn]

one tip i have for her is try and stay behind her a lot

[hallow swallow]

it was a perfect run, had crazy perks and still wasted the run

[nova oar]

Apollo special

[grizzled mural]

||anubis aspect|| lowk a nuke

[meager walrus]

also i would start arachne keepsake to start stacking armor, and then force heph and demeter if they dont show up

[hallow swallow]

i had apollo blind circle, buff +75% from behind with weapon buffing behind, efestus +150% from behind. but she flies and then u aren't behind her anymore... so mad she was 5% hp

[honest solar]

and

[meager walrus]

gale can also preserve armor

[spiral isle]

low hp eris is a toughie for sure

[nova oar]

Pos/aphro attack, with hecuba

[wraith barn]

yeah sometimes you gotta close distance fast

[honest solar]

why hecuba

[nova oar]

U need alot of magic

[meager walrus]

shiva mana costs are dumb

everything costs one million so you need hecuba or you just run out in like 2 moves

[nova oar]

Nah they're fine

Yeah cause you get instant charge for massive damage

[honest solar]

i like gale though

[nova oar]

Use hecuba

[meager walrus]

having huge magick costs makes max magick a lot more valuable because it makes more gain boons feel not terrible

like you have 80 magick and you see ionic gain, terrible

[honest solar]

does anyone who still play hades 1 can tell if hades 2 tartarus looks the same like the rooms

[meager walrus]

you have 200 magick with ionic gain, much more reasonable to play

[hallow swallow]

but not enough time man

[honest solar]

and the final room of underworld in 2and the starting tartarus room in hades 1

they are the same location but do they look the same

[nova oar]

No

[hallow swallow]

can u really do anything against the shotgun frontal attack?

[meager walrus]

hide behind pillar, run far enough away, get behind her

[devout cairn]

go behind her, she cant do a 180 she has to rotate 'slowly' to hit you again

[meager walrus]

in final phase if you stand behind a pillar near one of the corners it will force her to spawn closer to you

since she always tries to spawn in a place where she can shoot you

[hallow swallow]

as i wrote, the problem is when she moves... then she will target you and you don't even have the time to get behind her

[honest solar]

i mean the room before you dive in to beat chronos, and the room zag escapes from the house of hades.

[hallow swallow]

ah ok, didn't even notice there were pillars.

is there a wiki showing all stats for perks from gods? i think the love god has highest dmg for normal attack. and then apollo?

i can only play dual wield in this game also, which is kinda sad. i could play way more weps in first game. i still have to unlock the cloak. but all other weps are unusable for me. maybe starting staff is okish, rest is too bad

[meager walrus]

not really, the fandom wiki is pretty outdated

you can still use it as a reference but some of the info is wrong

[glossy shadow]

The boon list in-game is comprehensive about the white tier boons' bonuses, and you can reasonably extrapolate how their potency increases with color

[hallow swallow]

apollo is one of best gods for its perks i think. and then the hammer gain gives u more dmg. and zeus for the chain damage to nearby enemies

for the circle, probably the frozen one + tornadoes + supernova + 3 hit hammer

[devout cairn]

Just stick to her and you will always have the time to get behind her, I do. The only exception being if she's at the very edge of the map.

it seemed tricky at the start but yo uget the hang of it

[hallow swallow]

i don't get why ppl say the perks of the winged girls are the best. the snaring thing isn't good except against cerberus

oh and also apollo thing hit twice but i had only 11%

can u trust tier lists from 1y ago or things got nerfed? https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1d2q5s5/boons_tier_list_hades_2/

[wooden basin]

tier list from lots of patches, updates ago
seek the 1.0 new tier lists

[hallow swallow]

where

[covert badge]

man zeus and hestia in the dont want to see tier

[hallow swallow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1npnbpt/final_ea_tier_lists_before_v10_by_a_62_fear_player/

[placid spruce]

The summit is absolutely diabolical

[hallow swallow]

everyone has very different opinions lmao. for me it depends from the perks

[wooden basin]

boons tier lists might take a few more
but haelian and boated usually do em

[placid spruce]

I died to the tail boss

[hallow swallow]

i still have 10 arcana and waiting i can upgrade that

[thin laurel]

tbh the gods I want to see are so dependent on what weapon/aspect I'm using, tier lists are fine but idk if I'd ever base decisions mid-run on them without more context 🤷
I think it's def possible to make a pretty accurate tier list of how a god is overall, but that won't apply to every run

[covert badge]

Like yeah, I’d probably put Ares in S tier just because I love Cut Above and plasma builds (which both require tons of duos), but that’s totally subjective.

[hallow swallow]

i haven't seen ares yet

[little mason]

Arcanas are a crutch only real G's beat the game without pets and arcana

[devout cairn]

You mentioned you only like dual wield, I assume you mean the sister blades? If so the simplest most effective builds for that are stuff like Poseidon or Hestia attack, then fish for Zeus' chain lightning and then Air Quality to make those do 50 damage each. Hephaestus is good for defense on the side if you are taking too much damage

[meager walrus]

I can give you the current tier list

S: Zeus
S-: Hera
A: Everyone else
B: Ares

[little mason]

Hera is d

[nova oar]

Ares can definitely work his supporting boons are nice but his core boons are terrible

[meager walrus]

game is pretty well balanced imo, and even ares is like fine to take even if he's unexciting most of the time

[hallow swallow]

why hestia and poseidon?

[nova oar]

Hera is S, tfym

[little mason]

That's ur opinion

[hallow swallow]

why? also can u explain what does she do exactly? it both snares enemies and also chains like zeus?

[nova oar]

Ok well you're gonna be in the minority of people that disagree with me

[wooden basin]

waves and scorch ig
also poseidon support boons are good

[covert badge]

hitch carries hard in higher fear gameplay where enemies get tanky, plus 1/2 origination

[little mason]

She has the worst cast and dash

[nova oar]

Her dash is one of the best this patch

[little mason]

Heph has a better cast

[crude dragon]

I wouldn't, especially not when there's tier lists out from a week ago from players like Boated

[thin laurel]

her dash is one of my favorites post-1.0 lol wym
apollo dash but for damage + orig instead of dodging + orig

[hallow swallow]

i can say aphrodite is useless. she has top dmg for X but very useless perks. and the black hole pull is terrible

[nova oar]

I'll agree cast isn't the best but she has amazing core boons, amazing support boons, and really good duos

[honest solar]

Holy shiva is goatwd

[devout cairn]

Fast attacks benefit most from those on-hit effects. You can apply ton of burn procs or multiple wave hits that do way more damage than % increasing attack boons.

[hallow swallow]

for circles i guess best would be the frozen one

[crude dragon]

Glamour Gain is fantastic

[wooden basin]

also you have froth with poseidon

[nova oar]

Amazing for origination

[placid spruce]

Whats the best aspect for moonstone axe?

[meager walrus]

objectively probably charon
but it plays very differently from the other axes

[crude dragon]

Charon or Nergal, but they're all A-tier at worst

[nova oar]

Charon or nergal yeah

[hallow swallow]

actually poseidon circle maybe is better than frozen one? it does more dmg? i forgot

[wooden basin]

what happened to Thanatos axe meta

[meager walrus]

arctic ring is arguably the single strongest core boon in the game

[thin laurel]

Than axe is fun and really versatile (and quite good!) but idt it's been the strongest for a loooong time, before I started playing in EA at least

[crude dragon]

Than is still good, especially since the base attack speed got upped (as did the max crit chance from Mortality, think it's now 20% before Success Rate?)

[little mason]

Mel

[nova oar]

It's the most versatile

[wooden basin]

yeah wasnt it 30% faster and 13% max?

[nova oar]

You have some weird takes

[covert badge]

than axe has been always in the above-average spot since EA lol, not busted, not meh, not mid

[hallow swallow]

i can never cast charged attacks playing dual wield. also i find casting circle in place is useless. it's great if u got the fire ball boon that allows u to cast the circle on the enemy place

[little mason]

Says the Shiva enjoyer

[meager walrus]

yeah it fits into almost every build (except the ones that really want cast to be dps) and is super strong for room clear safety
even vs bosses it helps ensure origination uptime

[crude dragon]

Oh, so both the base attack speed that it scales off of and the aspect's bonus attack speed got buffed. Yeah, Than axe is still excellent

[wooden basin]

not sure about the speed, but i can swear it was 13% and not 20% before

[nova oar]

Even haelian agrees it's good now

[thin laurel]

do you think it's actively the best coat, or just your favorite to play?

[little mason]

Don't you have ur own brain think for urself just because a streamer says it's good

[hallow swallow]

only sprint i found useful is the apollo blind sprint

[crude dragon]

Boated says the only thing stopping Shiva from being S is the magic economy on it

[nova oar]

Yeah u gotta heavy invest jn the magic

[tidal cliff]

I think blackened fleece is bugged? It’s saying I took 1042 dmg while the most damage suffered stat says only 400 at best

[nova oar]

I would say both

[hallow swallow]

how u get more duo? aside from +6% boost from arcana

[nova oar]

I have my own opinions on the game, i'm supporting my statement by saying that a very knowledgeable player agrees with me

[covert badge]

do you use deflect stuff? like divine dash or mental block

[thin laurel]

sounds fair to me. as I've said before, it's tied with Nyx for how much I enjoy it, and I don't really have a take on which is stronger, need to play both more

[tidal cliff]

No I never got athena

[nova oar]

Shiva just has more base damage

[storm glen]

i actually dont know what they did to shiva after it got flack for being garbage

[nova oar]

Made the special a lot better

[storm glen]

what the hell that ospecial is insane

[little mason]

The hammers only make it playable

[nova oar]

And it bouncy now

[nova oar]

Nah u can totally make it work base

[storm glen]

bruh i popped the ospecial once and the noncrit oatk did 1260 to skelly

[nova oar]

And you still output good damage while charging it up

[storm glen]

i remmeber the base attack moveset is stronger than the base coat too

the dash attacks kinda bad tho but eh

[final loom]

Got the "tutorial" prompt to check inventory after night 60 some chats really got backlogged don't they

[true sinew]

thoughts on medea with looming ignition?

im seeing a potential for cheese by just left click driving yourself into the wall over and over

[tidal cliff]

Medea with literally anything is good

[covert badge]

except wide grin perhaps

[crystal fossil]

medea is op and overtuned? lets nerf moros and pan

3 more buffs to medea please!!

[tidal cliff]

Moros is still really good with Poseidon no matter how much both are nerfed😭

[crude dragon]

The casual hates skull therefore we must buff all Skull

[placid spruce]

Okay Im using aspect of charon and I cannot trigger the supposed effect

[crystal fossil]

your omega special as to hit your cast for it to explode into damage

[crystal fossil]

yea, im still a medea hater. Its really strong but i just dont find it fun imo

[gleaming parrot]

Don't use omega cast, just throw down a cast then omega special

[crude dragon]

How are you playing it?

Pulling just 1 pin or all 4 before charging in?

[covert badge]

im still thinking what if they add the wide grin's shell gathering delay to medea as its icd

would it be fair

[crystal fossil]

1 but its not even about using it differently or anything like that. I just dont like the skulls in general

[gaunt glacier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1424956154685161532/image.png?ex=68e5d555&is=68e483d5&hm=648f3c504c575ad7aaa38e06f96184b6b905fb6bec437267cd20279fd6fd803c& guys how do you like my incantation list

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[storm glen]

seems bad

[crude dragon]

Still wouldn't really change how it gets played optimally, but it would punish the people doing it wrong further than they already are

[crystal fossil]

you cant embed

[meager walrus]

you're suffering from the fact that only 3 incantations unlock per night lol

[devout cairn]

i dont find the regular playstyle with medea particularly fun but with wide grin it's miserable, even if it "deserves" a nerf

[crude dragon]

Pretty based

[storm glen]

i like using medea without the specials

[gaunt glacier]

im suffering from the fact that i just finished night 2

[crystal fossil]

i really enjoy axes/daggers/staff alot and all their aspects. Except like base mel staff which feels boring sometimes

[nova oar]

H u h

[tidal cliff]

Yeah skulls suck, I like the hidden aspect cause i get the benefits of argent skull without the annoying downsides

[crude dragon]

So you just wait for them to blow up from the timer?

[storm glen]

awkwardly standing next to enemies is an effective strategy in many scenarios

[scenic gust]

280k Nails damage Supay lmao #h2-victory-boasting message

[storm glen]

mimics several real-life fighting tactics employed by the hapless

[true sinew]

medea is op but someone hear me out n try it with looming ignition zeus special right click left click urself into the wall repeat as fast as u can

hera on attack for bonus

[scenic gust]

Skull ain't suck. Dagger aspects are (beside Morrigan)

[crude dragon]

You know, I joke about that Aspect being an overcooked grenade

I didn't expect someone to actually play it like that

[meager garden]

Dagger ain't suck. Coat aspects are (beside Nyx)

[storm glen]

playing it like you're supposed to got old like 2 years ago man

[tidal cliff]

Skull doesn’t suck aspect-wise I just mean I don’t like having to pick up skulls mid fight, only way I can play it is hidden aspect or the auto pick up hammer

[crude dragon]

Just Special

[spiral isle]

is hera worth the queen's ransom? not really seeing the value in super pomming her stuff

[storm glen]

speaking of i did a special only medea run a while back too

[crude dragon]

Her sprint and Fine Line scale nicely with poms

[storm glen]

it was kind of great the +30 power hammer existing is very funny

[scenic gust]

It's positioning. Every time you pick the skull you have to think the position where you spam it. Same with Cast in H1

[crystal fossil]

me playing on 30 fear underworld doing || anubis|| and i realize i've run out of mana

[storm glen]

does anubis need mana

[covert badge]

attack/special scaling, fine line and born gain torches are hapi

[storm glen]

totally forgot how to play anubis im pretty sure i just mashed the mouse buttons last time i used it

[spiral isle]

fine line's the big one, hmmm

[crystal fossil]

the majority of your dps is from omega, atleast in boss fights. Normal rooms you can just dash around and you'll be fine

[crude dragon]

The Ospecial is pretty good on it

[storm glen]

isnt that the one move that is totally unchanged from default

[crude dragon]

Big thing to remember is that the Specials suck enemies in

[tidal cliff]

Cast+omega attack then spam omega special till your out of mana or until they die

[storm glen]

i remember that being super turbo jank and awful

[meager walrus]

well the weapon doesnt have hitstun

[covert badge]

the yeet tech has been fixed in 1.0?

[crystal fossil]

one of the downsides unfortunately

[meager walrus]

so you have to pay attention to not get owned

[crystal fossil]

but it does so much damage you usually dont need it so i think its a worthy tradeoff to keep it balanced

[storm glen]

the specials hitstun but they put like weight values on the enemies so it doesnt work a lot of the time

[crystal fossil]

i miss hades 1 cast builds and it just doesnt feel the same in hades 2

[storm glen]

every hades 2 build is a cast build

[crude dragon]

Well yeah, there's only 1 and a half castspects in this game (Circe and Charon)

[covert badge]

skull feels kinda same-y as h1 cast tho

[crystal fossil]

i knew someone was gonna say this but i still will NEVER like skulls

[storm glen]

cast boons are super disproportionately strong

[crystal fossil]

zeus and hestia casts 🗣️ 🔥 ⚡

[honest solar]

played a appolo special with ||shiva||, kinda messed up on a bad hammer and bad poseidon damage

[gleaming parrot]

If you haven't played specific weapons since 1.0, it's worth trying. Skulls got pretty heavily boosted

[honest solar]

but its really nice to play

[crude dragon]

It's fine, just get Apollo Legendary

[meager walrus]

i will admit, I cannot play omega cast builds in hades 2
despite being a solid intermediate skill player imo

[honest solar]

how do i get legendary

[meager walrus]

my monkey brain puts down regular cast on cooldown without thinking

[honest solar]

thats like rng from arcana

[crystal fossil]

i did play them all once except hidden aspect but i prefer other weps more fr

[crude dragon]

Attack or Special, Daze source/gain, and one of his offensive support boons (Supernova, Prominence, Perfect Image)

[gleaming parrot]

Once isn't enough to have much of an opinion on imo

[honest solar]

dont like shiva attack, special is good

[covert badge]

perfect image isnt in the exceptional prereq

[crystal fossil]

you can try circe if you wanna go for those, i had a decent omega cast build and it was melting

[meager walrus]

i just pick zeus and play regular cast on circe

[thin laurel]

if you have the 3 boons required for it to appear at all, you have a baseline % chance for it to show up
that one arcana just boosts that chance a bit
post-nerf strength listed the reqs

[crude dragon]

Seriously?

[gleaming parrot]

I was the same way about torches initially but it was really only because I didn't think I'd ever want to play that way, nowadays I love torches

[devout abyss]

dose nova burner flare

[crystal fossil]

only torch i like is hidden aspect

[crude dragon]

10% at base, Excellence brings it up to 15%

[covert badge]

yeah iirc its dazzling display/extra dose/super nova/prom flare/back burner

[thin laurel]

ty, yes that ^^ I never remember the exact numbers lol

[honest solar]

what should i get apart from apollo special, poseidon and aphrodite kind suck

[civic jolt]

With Moros torches, Zeus special and dem attack what should I go for with my dash/cast?

[crude dragon]

With the way Destructive works, I'd just focus on applying a curse with your attack

[gleaming parrot]

Hexes are great in combo with that weapon because some of the cheaper ones can be done after every single omega special, like Wolf Howl or Twilight Curse

[honest solar]

whats that

[crude dragon]

I'd go Hera or Apollo attack over Demeter

[honest solar]

a olympian curse? or what

[gleaming parrot]

Destructive is the effect you gain from omega special

[thin laurel]

destructive is the unique effect Shiva gives you
you get a stack of it ever time you stand in the AoE of your Ω special when it bounces, and it empowers your Ω attack

[honest solar]

no i mean what curse do i inflict

[crude dragon]

Hitch, Freeze, Blitz, etc

[honest solar]

ah

so like whats the best damage over second build with the specials

[thin laurel]

every olympian has *at least one, but only some are tied to their attack boons

[crude dragon]

Stacks will cover your damage (especially with the duped OSpecial), so you might as well focus on Origination or opening up Duos

[devout abyss]

not every 😔

[thin laurel]

oh hermes? or... who are you thinking of

[civic jolt]

I normally do but dem was there in the first area so I thought why not

[crude dragon]

Actually, wait, Ares Attack would probably be great for Wounds getting multiplied off of the stacks

[civic jolt]

Still % increase

[thin laurel]

I was thinking god pool olympians and kinda forgot the others count lol
but I guess athena and hermes don't have one
dio def does, artemis... is her mark one in h2? I never take it

[crude dragon]

Yeah, Death Warrant is around in Hades 2

[devout abyss]

i dont actually know

[crude dragon]

It's one of the boons that gets affected by Seismic Servo, even

[honest solar]

so should i get an ares special after apollo?

[devout abyss]

what weapon

[crude dragon]

No, Ares Attack because the bonus damage from Wounds application should get increased by your stacks

[covert badge]

heinous pipeline hm

[crude dragon]

Oh, I didn't even think of opening up Heinous

[meager walrus]

ares zeus apollo is the broken high roll build

i dont think light smite heinous affront should work like that but it does so might as well abuse it

[hexed gale]

question for everyone since I can't find a source online, is there a solid count on the maximum number of encounters you can get in each area? all of the info I can find is either for hades 1, wildly out of date or obviously incomplete.

[dull spindle]

Idk what to do anymore guys I keep dying

All hope is lost

[gleaming parrot]

Confide in Frinos

[sour flower]

im curious what build you guys are talking about?

[crude dragon]

Hidden Coat

[hexed gale]

Would also love to know if there's any info on the spawn rules of certain boons/hammers that have changed since hades 1

[sour flower]

oh i see

[crude dragon]

Hermes and hammer rules are still the same as the first game, pretty sure

[devout cairn]

just don't

[sour flower]

defy it

[crude dragon]

Though you can cheat a bit with Artificer, Icarus keepsake, and Gift Gift Gift

[crude dragon]

Dying where?

[dull spindle]

Prometheus and If I get past him the area after him keeps killing me

[crude dragon]

Just having trouble dodging his baits?

[devout abyss]

there are max 11 encounters in erebus, 9 in oceanus?, 9 in fields, like 10 or 11 in tart?

i think the technical max in ephyra is 18?, 0 clue about thess lol, 10-12 in olympus, and 6...? in summit

[dull spindle]

Idk dude sometimes I won’t even know what’s hitting me

[sour flower]

just press on soldier, you’ll get it eventually. everything in the area after hits like a truck so you might be there for a while

[dull spindle]

There’s so much on the screen sometimes

I’m not killing stuff as fast as I’d like either

[sour flower]

what weapon do you like to run?

[fair void]

how many cookies exactly does a pet need?

[dull spindle]

All of them

[fair void]

all i can say is that keep playing and youd get used to it

[normal pine]

each pet needs 10 including the one to recruit them

[fair void]

great, got it

[normal pine]

you can also get cookie as fear reward and end shop buy

[fair void]

uh cookies as fear reward? how

[normal pine]

there are little goodies in the final area that open up if your fear is high enough

[fair void]

oh

chaos troves, just started using 16 fear

[sour flower]

you saying you don’t like your damage output stands out to me, i didnt start getting consistent wins until i figured out some high damage builds. conversely, most of my losses happen when i don’t get a good build going (i clearly won’t be clearing high fear anytime soon lol)

so my recommendation would be to keep playing and perhaps find some build inspo online or on this server. alternatively you can use the chaos trials for some build inspo

[thin laurel]

an incantation in the cauldron makes certain rarer resources available in some rooms if your fear is high enough.
it's like erebus gates in h1 kind of, if you remember those, but not a challenge just a lil goodie

[meager walrus]

its 12+ fear

[fair void]

Mm i got it unlocked but didnt use enough fear to get them

[meager walrus]

if you make it to the last region with 12+ fear and have the incantation you get 1 cookie, nightmare, moon dust, or stardust at random

[fair void]

neat

[meager walrus]

uh, might need to take a chamber extension in tartarus though

[normal pine]

the chaos trials alone give you more than enough for everything though

brewing moon dust is the least efficient of the upgrade materials buy those with bones

[dull spindle]

I feel like I choose the wrong things in a run

[honest solar]

how do i get elements, i get them but how do i deliberately get them

[fair void]

i spent like 4k bones for just moondust

erm maybe i shouldnt have done that

[normal pine]

what's your favorite boon giver?

tbh I'm not sure what else you're supposed to buy with bones

[devout abyss]

at a certain point you can do anything

[normal pine]

moon dust seems like the best thing to do unless youre having a lot of trouble getting nightmare

[devout abyss]

i have multiple hundreds of every material, 10s of thousands of bones, ash, and psyche

[fair void]

oof, now i dont feel bad

[dull spindle]

Everyone except like Hera and Poseidon

[normal pine]

what's your favorite weapon?

[fair void]

you like heph and ||ares?||

[dull spindle]

Yeah

[fair void]

damn

[normal pine]

do you use your cast much

[crude dragon]

Hera, she barely ever has something you don't want

[dull spindle]

I like all of them tbh I try to play with them all. Except the black coat that one feels odd I’m not used to it yet

[honest solar]

how do i not die guys

[devout abyss]

live

[fair void]

i dont wanna say the forbidden words

[normal pine]

start throwing out your cast on cool down all the time

[honest solar]

is there an actual shiva guie up there

[dull spindle]

I’m trying to figure that out as well

[honest solar]

i beat the game i just suck at fear

[dull spindle]

I usually use it depending I I get something good on it

[normal pine]

you should use it all the time and make sure to get a cast boon early on

[dull spindle]

Like when it comes down to it idk what I want on my attack or specials and when I get a hammer idk if I should improve the attack or specials

[normal pine]

its really fast and really good just use it all the time

[crude dragon]

Depends on what your weapon's good at doing, and what boons you already have in the hammer's case

[dull spindle]

Did you guys map the cast to a different button

[devout abyss]

no

[dry cipher]

I have Thanatos-brainrot, every other Axe-pect feels so slow

[dull spindle]

I like all the axes

[normal pine]

I have it on a paddle but LB isn't a bad idea

[devout abyss]

i just use the a button

[fair void]

huh a button? the dash button for cast?

[devout abyss]

the dash button is b

[fair void]

wuh

oh are you on switch

[devout abyss]

no

[fair void]

that was a fat brain fog, sorry

[devout abyss]

im on kbm

[fair void]

OH

[devout abyss]

i am lying

[fair void]

MY BRAIN HURTS

[devout abyss]

i use switch controller on pc

[fair void]

i was questioning reality

[fair void]

also come on

[devout abyss]

im not gonna lie to you

[fair void]

switch, switch controller same thing

[fair void]

right dont lie to me

[devout abyss]

i prefer mario over luigi

[fair void]

i do as well

i dont like green

[devout abyss]

christ alive

[fair void]

true brother

[dull spindle]

Do you guys just stick to like one weapon

[fair void]

no, i just stick to 4 weapons

[devout abyss]

i rotate between like 3 or 4

[fair void]

skull and coat collecting dust, i will use skull more though

[dull spindle]

Damn maybe that’s why

[fair void]

youre missing out good chunk of the game, play them all

[dull spindle]

I do play them all

[fair void]

oh

[dull spindle]

I play all 6

[fair void]

nothing wrong with playing all 6

[devout abyss]

"all 6"

[fair void]

i dont because im a baby and lazy about using coat

[devout abyss]

doesnt know about the secret 7th weapon

[dull spindle]

I could throw the axe on and bonk every thing but that gets so boring

[fair void]

||chronos' femur||

[dull spindle]

Is the 7th weapon melione’s feet

[idle crater]

its bouldy obviously

[fair void]

of course

[dull spindle]

I need yall to tell me why I need to be picking Hera

[devout abyss]

she has maybe 1 or 2 bad boons

[fair void]

uhhh duo boons, hitch is pretty good and her other boons are good utility

[devout abyss]

hitch is an incredible status, born gain is the best gain in the game, fine line is amazing damage, bridal glow makes every boon good

[dull spindle]

Why do people not like ares

[fair void]

i didnt like hera at first but then she came out of my monitor and opened my eyes

[devout abyss]

hes bad lol

[chrome delta]

Hey folks! Can anyone here help me out? I have been playing since the first early access patches and still don't have one of the ||familiars. Specifically the crow.|| I think I need to spawn the fountains in Erebus but they never come up. Is there a way to force a fountain?

[devout abyss]

his offensive boons are very undercooked

[dull spindle]

How? You can’t just say he’s bad and call it a day

[fair void]

edgy haircut

[dull spindle]

I feel like zues is over rated

[fair void]

nah shes awesome, youll get it if you keep playing

[devout abyss]

most of it is that his attack and special have the lowest % increase in the game and wounds is not that good of a status

[honest solar]

hes mean

[bronze stream]

Hades 2 is a game of Peace

[idle crater]

the thing about zeus is blitz is like objectively the best curse in the game, but i dont really like any of his secondaries

[fair void]

use him with the daggers dude, thats a lotta damage

[devout abyss]

heinous affront is very good, so are mutual destruction and grievous blow

[bronze stream]

Zeus has great secondaries wym

[dull spindle]

I can get 2 of her boons rn you’re telling me to go Hera rn?

[bronze stream]

daggers?

[normal pine]

ares status is not as good as other statuses and doesn't provide any other benefit. his mana recovery slow and inconsistent and his cast/rush boons don't inflict status and are relatively weak

[bronze stream]

with the daggers you should use aphro

[devout abyss]

zeus is good on daggers

i mean zeus is good on every weapon

[bronze stream]

zeus on special maybe

[fair void]

the one that looks like farm tools

[devout abyss]

nah, zeus on attack

[normal pine]

compare that to Apollo whos attack and special boons secondary effect are super valuable and has one of the best mana recovery in the game, and his status lasts a long time

[fair void]

sickle and dagger

[bronze stream]

aphro or apollo on dagger attack

make sure to use oattack to start the combo thing

[fair void]

oh you was just asking what we were talking about

[dull spindle]

I’m going Hera rn cinis if she doesn’t hard carry me im going to ares

[bronze stream]

you were talking about morrigan blades

[fair void]

erm, happens

[devout abyss]

ares would be a lot better if wounds cooldown was a second less

[bronze stream]

idk if theyre more like daggers or short swords but theyre fun

[fair void]

ry broke my brain, i should go sleep

[devout abyss]

they are sickle and a knife/dagger for the first 3 aspects

[bronze stream]

first 3?

[dull spindle]

How much fear do you guys run usually

[devout abyss]

the hidden aspect is a knife/dagger and a little axe

[bronze stream]

yeah thats the dagger weapon thing

[fair void]

did 8 for like 10 runs and now jacked it up to 16

[devout abyss]

32, ish

[dull spindle]

Im at like 13

[fair void]

i havent got past hecate though, shes hard

[devout abyss]

i used to run 48 but i took a break and had to take it down

[bronze stream]

and i guess there's three joke weapons or w/e that have half range and less damage

[dull spindle]

Is Hermes usually worth getting

[bronze stream]

dont pay gold for him

it doesnt matter if hes worth getting, you get him anyway

same mechanic with the hammers, you get two hermes boon and two hammer kinda automatically

[fair void]

i roll and dont get him

[willow fog]

Is hermes mechanic here same as H1

[bronze stream]

i forgot how it was in h1

[fair void]

uhhhh kinda?

[crude dragon]

You can get a max of 3 (two from room rewards/shops in the first 3 regions, and potentially 1 more in the final shop)

[buoyant matrix]

yes but you can get a few more on the surface with his shrines

[dull spindle]

I feel like he’s not as good as he was in h1

Same with aphro

[fair void]

yeah there was rush delivery and extra dashes which were awesome, i havent seen anything of the same caliber in the second game

[dull spindle]

Is Hera and zues the meta now

[bronze stream]

uh

[dry cipher]

Idk

[bronze stream]

there's no aspect-agnostic meta, it depends on ur weapon

[dull spindle]

I remember running area and aphro in h1 and winning all the time

[bronze stream]

but zeus and hera do have a lot of good boons

[fair void]

game feels pretty balanced so far

[dull spindle]

Who’s good for the staff

[bronze stream]

the vague concept is the more speedy your attacks, you gravitate towards poseidon, for slower meaty attacks, you go towards aphro/hera/demeter

[trim kestrel]

which staff

[dull spindle]

Literally any of them bro just give me something

[wraith barn]

i just had the nastiest moros ripple effect build ever typhon was genuinely like 30 seconds long

[bronze stream]

and then apollo attack is good for axe hidden aspect but idk when else

[trim kestrel]

it changes based on the staff bro 😭

idk go with mel staff and run zeus attack hera special

[nova oar]

8 more aspects to go yippie

[bronze stream]

the point of the base staff is that there's no bad boon choices

[dull spindle]

The regular one I’m not using anything fancy

[trim kestrel]

spam dash attack > special

[covert badge]

mirrored + cardio = ooga booga

[bronze stream]

but so far im liking demeter attack on mel staff and demeter or zeus cast

[dull spindle]

wtf is mirrored and cardio

[bronze stream]

mirrored is one of the hammers, cardio is hestia's mana gain boon

[wraith barn]

cardio gain is insane

i usually take born gain but cardio is definitely what i take when i dont get it

[bronze stream]

mirrored uh, hit, is hit two times but use 5 mana per hit

[dull spindle]

How u guys have the names memorized and shiz

[buoyant matrix]

just played the game way too much is how

[bronze stream]

but you wont necessarily get the hammer you want so pond is being silly

[wraith barn]

it just happens as you play more you start remembering the names of some specific things

[dull spindle]

I don’t even look at the names just the effects

[buoyant matrix]

that's funny because by this point I'm the other way around

[dull spindle]

I couldn’t give you a single name for anything in this game

[wraith barn]

lol me too all i the boons i care about i know the names of

[bronze stream]

when you're starting out the good build is, look at what the enemies are doing and dont be where their attacks will be

[wraith barn]

i dont know all the hammers well enough yet but boons i just look at the names

[spice sorrel]

i was wondering if anyone can tell me how to unlock the incantation for the pets? ive beat chronos twice now and fought ||typhon|| once but lost, dont seem to have the incantation yet though, i remember getting it way earlier in EA but havent found it yet in full release

[bronze stream]

there's no boon combo that's relevant compared to not getting hit until you unlock a bunch of stuff

[uncut egret]

how do i get the "improbable outcomes" achivement guys?

[noble egret]

wtf, ||zagreus gets death defied too?|| that's cheating 😠

[prisma monolith]

Ah but you do it it's ok?

[buoyant matrix]

win the same full run chaos trial twice in a row

[noble egret]

ya but im the main character

[prisma monolith]

Nuh uh

[uncut egret]

so it has to be in a row rip

[prisma monolith]

He's the main character, the goat

[dull spindle]

He’s him

[simple sierra]

is it tracked in game or steam only

[prisma monolith]

Gotta be in game

[simple sierra]

prophecy for it?

[thorn badge]

||i’m actually disappointed it’s not a full heal lol. His fight is a bit underwhelming when compared to charon from h1||

[mystic dust]

I only need 3 achievements to have them all.

[sharp garden]

Charon is way above than || Zag - bro literally has the same moveset as Hades||

[rough pivot]

Which ones?

[thorn badge]

||yeah i hope they buff up zag’s moveset a bit. I get they want you to be able to beat him throughout the run but like if i beat him in erebus with like 3 boons thats rly unfortunate||

[mystic dust]

The one to use all the weapon aspects, the one of arachne and the one of narcissus and echo

I only need 4 aspects and I'll have to farm 20,000 nights so I can advance in arcane and eco.

[rough pivot]

Damn, I completed Narc/Echo storyline way back in EA, is it really that bad now?

[tribal owl]

how do i get Kudos? the bosses used to drop the gems but they stopped doing it, is trading the broker really the only way?

[mystic dust]

In EA I don't know what I got, I know I opened the old game and they gave me a lot of achievements, but none of the relationships.

[scarlet prairie]

||He can only show up in region 1 or 2, can't he? It's kind of weird... I get that Champion of Elysium is much less useful in region 3 and 4, but still...||

[crude dragon]

||Would be neat if he were buffed by the Vow of Rivals, or got boons (imagine if Artemis drops by to say hi to him, or Athena gives him boons), or was just faster like he was when he was playable||

[crude dragon]

||Any midshop, including Olympus and the ever-elusive Mourning Fields midshop||

[scarlet prairie]

||Huh, guess I was lied to when the game was very new. Whoda thunk it....||

[unkempt zodiac]

We've moved beyond "why does hades death defy?" "But you can do it" its now ||"why can the guy with death defy death defy"||

[crude dragon]

Imagine ||Zag with H1 Greater Calls||

[unkempt zodiac]

||I'll find him in summit midshop!||

[crude dragon]

||Imagine if you could bring back the Tartarus midshop in the post-game||

[unkempt zodiac]

Anyways it'd be cool if there were a bunch of variants of ||zag for each weapon||

[honest solar]

shiva build is good but i cant do an optimal run, keep dying at cerberus and hecate rivals

[gusty plinth]

does anyone have an idea of when the hades 2 soundtrack will be coming to apple music? (it's my music platform of choice, i'd love to stream it there, and i know hades 1's soundtrack was released on apple music very near 1.0)

[prisma monolith]

Is the fields midshop real?

[covert badge]

it replaces echo

[crude dragon]

I have seen it once

[prisma monolith]

Never seen it myself

[crude dragon]

I think you have to take the non-elite door in the second room to see it show up?

[covert badge]

||i saw it on the final run before the ending occurs||

[jolly lava]

for the epilogue, ||when it says return to shadow intentionally, does it mean complete a run? or die on purpose lmao||

[prisma monolith]

Die on purpose

[jolly lava]

thank you i thought so, i tried it but i had a nemesis encounter in the middle of the 3 rooms in a row

[spiral isle]

lemme do a one-up on ideas for ||zag vor||:
||have a prophecy line for dio. some way or another have it so that dio sobers up, and from some story things (not sure what, but it involves dio realizing his mans is back) dio can connect to zag via boons. and then after that, vor 3 and up unlocks zag with dionysus boons/call on top of an advanced moveset||

[prisma monolith]

If only we were getting zag vor

[jolly lava]

holy moly

can i stop getting nem encounters while trying to do this challenge

[prisma monolith]

Xd

[scarlet prairie]

I genuinely hate Nemesis encounters.

[prisma monolith]

I love her

[scarlet prairie]

She's everywhere and so annoying.

The biggest pro of SF is she doesn't exist.

[prisma monolith]

Used to hate her, but now she's just beneficial to my runs, either free money, or smacks me for some reward, or buys my boon for lots of money

Def a sight to sore eyes, and I dont even use the timer, those who do love her even more

[scarlet prairie]

She's just annoying. Yeah she pauses timer but she takes so much time in real life. I hate that she can spawn in Tartarus now, too.

[prisma monolith]

I'd find her annoying if she didn't contribute to the run, but she does and for that I'm glad

[rough pivot]

I think only the first time you make it to fields, in place of Echo

[prisma monolith]

It might as well not exist then

[sour flower]

moros is only good with % damage atk boons? or you guys like stuff like poseidon on it as well?

[wheat quail]

damn Arachne really do have the longest most drawn out questline in the game. I am really seeing why its one of the last ones people unlock on steam lol. ||been stuck on "arachne may be interested in ambrosia once she is no longer preoccupied with her condition and the gods" for like 10 runs and 8 convos now||

I feel like I am doing something wrong but I am pretty sure you just keep talking to her over and over and over

[covert badge]

i like apollo on atk so it can go for exceptional/pike pipeline as well

[sour flower]

yea i usually go for something like that, really trying to get used to fate playstyle but not using rerolls or god keepsakes is forcing me to get out of my comfort zone 😭

my fav build on moros torches is probably ares zeus duo

[atomic river]

does anybody have tips on rivals prom i always waste my dd's before rivals typhon idk i jsut cant manage them both with them being so small i cant see the animations

[thorn badge]

i try and focus heracles first and that usually works but I do take a lot of damage on em just because theres a lot going on in that fight

[atomic river]

also how do you dodge typhons tongue idk how

[thorn badge]

stick close to the top of the screen it doesn't hit there. if you're forced near the back you just have to time your dodge

[jaunty basin]

dodge left, if he does the second swipe, dodge right

[west halo]

I didn't like apollo boons much at first, but having tried the bigger area and damage I've changed my mind

[atomic river]

oh i meant like the rivals version where he like his the ground

[sour flower]

his legendary is also incredible for almost any omega build (granted, magick intensive)

[jaunty basin]

unless you're doing casts with prominence flare then Apollo boons are pretty much just for axe

[west halo]

Which is that?

[jaunty basin]

go far from where he's hitting, dodge the first two waves in one dash, run away briefly, dodge again for the last wave

[west halo]

Also what is prominance flare?

[jaunty basin]

omega casts do extra burst of damage after ending

[west halo]

Don't think I've ever seen that

[sour flower]

his legendary makes every omega move you use fire twice. so if you use an omega attack, itll shoot two times. but every omega move costs +30 magick

[west halo]

Ooh, that does sound nice

[sour flower]

now that i think about it, does anyone know the interaction between apollo legendary and the one staff hammer that makes all your attacks fire twice? does it shoot 3 times? 4? or do they just cancel each other out

[jaunty basin]

that staff legendary places a turret essentially that fires the omega move, and while I haven't tried it, the turret takes on all properties of the omega move so should do the extra procs as well

the interaction I mean I haven't tried, I used momus aspect nonstop

[thorn badge]

it does affect momus

[sour flower]

actually ive never played momus, i mean the one daedalus hammer that makes all your attacks fire twice. would apollo legendary have some effect on that?

ive been meaning to try momus but it seems like the type of aspect you gotta upgrade for it to feel good, and i have no nightmare

[atomic river]

momus mad boring

[nova oar]

Real

[atomic river]

reg staff best im taking that over circe

[merry whale]

iirc mirrored thrasher with apollo lego makes ur oatk fire 4 times

can't say cuz i've never tried it but it's what i recall

[sour flower]

i gotta try that

[sour flower]

say less, wont even bother upgrading it nightmare takes too long for me to farm lol

[atomic river]

the hidden aspect is also mad boring unless your runing a hex build im ngl

[sour flower]

i have to agree, i thought it was cool at first but the novelty wore off quick. also the fact that its better for special spam than mel aspect is wild to me lol

major post game spoilers: ||just fought zag for the first time, am i tripping or is he a total pushover??||

[atomic river]

they done nerfed bro

[sour flower]

bummer

[signal basalt]

Not the most difficult moveset but his base damage is silly

[velvet cave]

||Difficulty varies a lot depending on where you find him. If you see him in Erebus he’s pretty intense, if you see him in Olympus you just stomp him||

[sour flower]

idk what happened but like 3 seconds into the fight ||he just started aura farming in the middle of the arena for long enough to let me do like 70% of his hp, idk if that was a bug or what lol. it would be cool if we could unlock a rivals version of his fight||

[signal basalt]

He has not laid down like that for me

[uneven cosmos]

endgame spoilers: || just finished the game, on my way to mount olympus to meet zeus, when can i give zagreus, persephone and hades nectars so that i can get their keepsakes? ||

[signal basalt]

When you encounter them in the underworld

[sour flower]

||idk about zag but just do undergound runs for persephones and hades||

[signal basalt]

well i suppose you could see the security specialist up top

[sour flower]

so weird, made me laugh though and seems in character for him LOL

[gleaming parrot]

||You have to run into Zag 3ish times. You'll know when it happens||

[signal basalt]

You have to beat him twice I believe

[uneven cosmos]

thanks!

[sour flower]

can i romance echo?

asking for a friend

[covert badge]

no

[sour flower]

:(

[uneven cosmos]

hoping for romance mods in the future

[sour flower]

i will personally contribute to hiring the va's for the mods, out of my own life savings

[steep shell]

how TF do I upgrade my familiars?? I've done the cauldron recipe for the treats, have 3 familiars already, the ||cat, frog, and white raven||, and have 3 treats ready to go via the beast-loved morsel recipe i already did

[heavy glen]

time to see if my win against eris was a fluke or i'm actually getting better fighting her

[covert badge]

good things that you only need to hire just one VA lol

[uneven cosmos]

how would you possibly imagine echo's va while romancing her

[sour flower]

lmfaooo i didn't think of that

[velvet cave]

||I’ve heard that 1.0 changed the requirement to make you recruit the dog or polecat to unlock it||

[sour flower]

[steep shell]

thanks, ive been googling furiously and trying to spam runs to no avail

[heavy glen]

you can spam runs as long as you check event rooms ||where the animals might be||

[kind jetty]

"Seek to know he who rebels against the gods" do i just need to fight prometheus over and over?

[sour flower]

give him nectar. to do this: ||go into your inventory right when the fight begins, select nectar and select 'equip'. then , throw the bottle of nectar at him with your attack or special button. this will increase your bond with prometheus||

[buoyant matrix]

you actually have to fry cook aetos and eat him with Prometheus

[sour flower]

my guy this is post 1.0 content you gotta spoiler tag it

[prisma monolith]

Beat him twice and he gives it

[prisma monolith]

@kind jetty this is obvs a meme, you were right, just kept fighting him

[kind jetty]

yea i figured, fought him like 8 times in a row now and he still hasnt triggered the dialogue idk

[prisma monolith]

Gotta keep going. Nothing else you can do

[kind jetty]

really dumb imo but thanks lol

[slate flame]

Do I just keep running until I get ||Zag's contract|| in midshop? Or are there any prerequisites?

[prisma monolith]

That's it, midshop it is

[velvet cave]

||He only appears after you roll credits. Also he can only appear in midshops in Erebus, Oceanus, Thessaly, and Olympus||

[slate flame]

||Big brother|| just hates me ig I'm always picking midshop 😮‍💨 is it gonna be another Icarus for me where I went 30 runs without encountering him😩

[prisma monolith]

Those are the only biomes with midshops yeah, fields has it but is a rumor

[slate flame]

Already did that

[glad geode]

Anyone got any tips for the above path? Feel im fine in terms of surviving (or at least I'm not hitting any walls, only dying to just playing recklessly at times or not memorizing patterns yet), but I tend to consistantly struggle with how tanky enemies, and especially bosses are up there.

Like the 1st and 2nd boss are usually fine, but the 3rd and end boss up there and all the minibosses in those areas seem to just be eggregiously tanky, and the fights just tend to drag on way too long, even when running builds with quite a bit of damage

[velvet cave]

Lmao somehow didn’t make that connection

[glad geode]

Like do i just need to say screw it and run strength atp lol

[kind jetty]

strength is really good on low heat

[prisma monolith]

Is really up to you

[slate flame]

I feel like a wet noodle when I don't use strength

[prisma monolith]

Strenght won't fix your issue, only you can fix that, learn enemy patterns, get better at dodging

[glad geode]

Thats not the issue though

[prisma monolith]

Are you running the timer?

[simple scroll]

||man i love zagreus hes still so charismatic||

[glad geode]

The issue is everything up there past the 2nd stage or so is ridiculously tanky

[nova oar]

So it's a build issue

[prisma monolith]

If you're not running the timer tanky enemies doesn't matter as long as you dodge

And yeah, build issue, watch some guides

[wheat quail]

help with spooder:||to progress questline at a certain point do I need to talk to athena on mount olympus for her to mention talking to arachne with the gorgon amulet, or can i just talk to athena literally anywhere via the amulet summon?||

[glad geode]

Like, ill have what would usually be an easily run winning chronos shredding build for the tarturus path on the upper path, but still end up feeling like im hitting the 3rd boss or 4th area minibosses with a wet noodle

[nova oar]

The former

[prisma monolith]

You cna beat chronos with the the worst build ever, the underworld is extremely easy

[nova oar]

Olympus needs more scaling, you should be getting your build online after ephyra

[glad geode]

And i usually do have a build online by then, but even with good damage output boons i still do like no damage in the later parts

[sour flower]

do you use the reroll arcana? you can get 10 rerolls and pretty effectively manipulate your build in the first biome setting yourself up for a good run. like others said you should watch some guides about it, it will be like playing a different game.

[prisma monolith]

Clearly not good enough

[glad geode]

Yeah ofc, always got rerolls

[prisma monolith]

It seems like your notion of a "good build" might not actually be good

[nova oar]

Definitely

[sour flower]

yeah then its this ^

[prisma monolith]

Watch some YouTube, boated/haelian

[glad geode]

I have lol

[prisma monolith]

Idk then bro, you playing the limited edition tanky enemies

[sour flower]

i wish we could post screenshots so you could show us your builds lol

[heavy glen]

if all else fails, god mode is your friend

[prisma monolith]

I highly doubt build is your problem assuming you dont have timer on, just dodge

[heavy glen]

(srsly. it's why it's there)

[sour flower]

this guy came to the discord asking for help and is getting cooked bro im pissing myself

[prisma monolith]

There's no dps check in the game, as long as you dodge you're fine

Timer aside ofc

[glad geode]

The dps check is my hands getting sore af

[prisma monolith]

Nah bro play some turn based ganes

[nova oar]

'I want help but also i'm right and all of you are wrong and I know more'

[wheat quail]

should i put on the amulet once I get there or nah?

I feel like it could override quest text, I hate how quests get so little priority

[nova oar]

Yes, put on amulet after eris

[prisma monolith]

Classic "you're not telling me what i want to hear"

[glad geode]

Okay way to put words in my mouth lol, can shove off with that

[prisma monolith]

Watch more vids is all I can tell you, clearly your builds aren't good enough if enemies are too tanky

[nova oar]

This keeps getting funnier

[prisma monolith]

But if your builds are as good as you claim, you're cooked then, idk what else to tell you, you're doing everything right, it must be the games fault

[nova oar]

Real

[limber ice]

nemesis sometimes asks you to do 1000 damage to her in 5s

[prisma monolith]

And I do like 2k in in 2

[glad geode]

Again, idk why yall are being such snide asses? Like did I say something wrong or offend yall in some way im genuinly confused???

[prisma monolith]

We told you what was wrong given the information you gave us and you said "no, that ain't it" what else do you want us to say

[nova oar]

We told you what the problem was and you ignored it lmao

[heavy glen]

Good luck on future runs, what helped me was getting backstab boons

i like to dash around a lot, lol

[nova oar]

Me on my way to backstab typhon in the face by looking in a different direction

[heavy glen]

ooh, uh...yeah that wouldn't help there.

it'd help for prometheus though

armor-melting stuff helps too, a lot of times once the armor goes away they fall more easily

[prisma monolith]

Armor hammers go a long way

[sour flower]

omg this too, this is an actual instant results tip. every armor hammer feels so good for clearing rooms

[worn berry]

Wait is ||Hecate|| the same person as ||Mel||?

[covert badge]

its kinda weird that rama has hitch-esque effect but hera bow doesnt

[worn berry]

Just did the full bond

[heavy glen]

spoiler that

[nova oar]

Holy spoiler lmao

[sour flower]

the artificer card art is so beautiful

[kind jetty]

thanks man gj

[worn berry]

Is she though

[heavy glen]

||yes, she is||

[sour flower]

thats unfortunate dude, F in the chat for you

[worn berry]

Sorry thought full discussion was here and new players had their own chat

[limpid oar]

Everything except 1.0 stuff can be discussed here

[sour flower]

they did have their own chat im honestly confused as to why they removed it. seems counter intuitive on a massive update

[heavy glen]

story revelations have #h2-story-discussion

[sour flower]

not even true, just says they gotta spoiler tag it. its bound to have mistakes

[glad geode]

Despite what you might think i have been taking note of whats been getting suggested, but even if I didnt, that'd be no reason to start being rude 🤷‍♂️

[limpid oar]

Discussed without spoiler tags, mb should've clarified

[nova oar]

||so is hecate an old melinoe or what||

[thin laurel]

||basically yeah. old Mel from a timeline where Hecate didn't exist, so she was found by Selene after being dumped in the river, grew up way more focused on revenge and without a teacher/mother figure, tried to kill Chronos, and instead got kinda yoinked into another timeline. so she's "a possible version" of Mel, kinda like the "possible versions" of Chronos we kill every night post-ending imo||

[covert badge]

||yeah shes old mel in certain timeline (note that zag in the mirror doesnt know who hecate is), accidentally hopping to h2 timeline||

[nova oar]

Right ok thought so

||also explains hecate torches are Mel aspect ygnium||

[thin laurel]

||and the fact that she has all the same hexes as Mel during her fight tbh, including a dark side. could have been explained as generic Selene powers but sure seems like they wield hexes the exact same way, edit: and dark side in particular seems very... Mel goddess of nightmares-y to me, idt Selene can just make anyone do that||

[little mason]

thats to far fetched

[nova oar]

||it all makes so much sense now||

[scenic gust]

Artemis crit with Ares Attack 3k. Lmao the amount of slapping

[thin laurel]

like, the writing decision from SGG, or the ||hex thing being an intentional connection|| ?

[heavy glen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1o026hr/i_need_this_as_a_motivational_poster/

[thin laurel]

I saw that post and I love it lmao
supportive Narcissus is so funny, so much of his dialogue cracks me up. "Laurel"

[heavy glen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1o01ncf/spoilers_flabbergasted_by_the_connections/ there's a lot of foreshadowing, you just gotta look for it
and/or know your myths

||melinoe is sometimes said to be an epithet of hecate||

[scenic gust]

||Mel but failed to restore the timeline. Absorbing Chronos essence and becoming new Titan. She could have been in a timeline where she killed Time and messing up everything||

[nova oar]

||yeah and the timelines got so screwed she ended up back in another universe||

[heavy glen]

LOL https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1o03fvz/i_read_their_name_wrong_every_time/

[thin laurel]

||it's kinda fun because it's basically the Dionysius/Zagreus thing from h1 but played straight instead of as a joke! it's neat, the longer I sit with the epilogue the more I'm like... honestly they kinda cooked with it, it's convoluted but they set it up well||

[scenic gust]

||Proven true that only Time can remove himself not by anyone else||

[limpid oar]

|| I feel like the credits aren't really the ending and they're just a bit more setup for the epilogue ||

[scenic gust]

||No reunion gods party is a boo||

[covert badge]

i thought there would be a possibility or mel's nightmare story sequence where chronos get killed fr but everything in her world is frozen as time doesnt exist anymore

like a simple good job ruining it hero trope and stuff

[nova oar]

Very true

[smoky rover]

when are we getting an actual spoiler chat?

had about enough of this self-censorship

[thin laurel]

I am sad that we never got "xbox kinect zeus" but for other gods tho lol, speaking of olympians and hypothetical post-ending content. not that it would change anything in terms of gameplay, esp if you play rivals, but it would be fun(ny)

[nova oar]

It's lookin like the Epstein files in here

[smoky rover]

never seen them

[nova oar]

There a few who have, if they even exist in the first place

[prisma monolith]

Yes

[willow stream]

||Does zag ever turn on the pact of punishment for his fight against you? I know he threatens to||

[nova oar]

||you step into the area and instantly gigabuffed with 40% bonus speed and more health and damage||

[prisma monolith]

This is fake right?

[nova oar]

Unfortunately

[plucky dew]

hopefully not hes kinda free alrdy

[cold meadow]

Hey I fully forged the bond with Heracles but didn't get the "Seek To Know He Who Labors For The Gods" fate, Is this a bug?

[covert badge]

||as if ppl doesnt complain about zag fight being too easy enough||

[unique onyx]

Should I play gay knight gaysong if I never played the original

[thin laurel]

if you're interested in playing both I'd start with the original
it'll make some lore + story beats better, and it's easier.

[nova oar]

Play the original first

[thin laurel]

also it's very much like h1 h2 where the sequel has a sprint and the og just has a dash lol, and going back to a sprintless game feels weird, to me, altho you may not mind as much

[heavy glen]

just keep talking to him

[honest solar]

best special boon with apollo for shiva>, hestia doesnt work for me

[nova oar]

Yes apollo is the best for Shiva

[honest solar]

ik apollo expands the special but what should i add like scorch

like scorch starting out has barely any damage

[outer cradle]

Recommended pet for Aspect of Circe?

Also recommended boons? I suppose Hestia/Zeus cast?

[nova oar]

Raki, zeus cast

[outer cradle]

I don't have Raki yet 🙁

[nova oar]

Toula or frinos then

[outer cradle]

Cool, thanks!

[honest solar]

what do u fully use shiva ennjoyeer

[nova oar]

Wdym

[honest solar]

your complete build

[nova oar]

For Shiva?

[honest solar]

y

[nova oar]

Special i normal go for apollo, attack is either pos/hestia and i get more normal attack damage, or aphro/hera/apollo for better oattack damage

Cast i hope for Demeter but anything that applies curse is good

[neat thicket]

||cast build vs zagreus does not go well||

[honest solar]

do you start with apollo

how do you make your special deal more damage

[nova oar]

I start with apollo special, spam the omega

[honest solar]

it doesnt deal much on its own though

[nova oar]

It does plenty, espc if you can keep Origination up, and it's not gonna be your main damage source

Coat you have to play every aspect, special, omegas, attacks, casts and sprints

[jaunty basin]

ospecial to charge oattack

[nova oar]

You want to use the oattack for the big damage

[honest solar]

i dont like the black coat attack damage tbh

[nova oar]

Or take smth like pos to have better consistent damage and less powerful oattacks,

[round fractal]

I hope this is the right place to ask but I have all the prerequesites for acceptance of another fate (second statue, the 3 other incantations and beat both bosses more than 7 times) but it won't trigger. Does someone know why that could be?

[unborn ridge]

||holy dooley chronos keepsake is overpowered.||

[thorn talon]

is there a list on how to get the Hidden Aspects? I just noticed that the only one I have is ||Nergal|| lmao

[nova oar]

Talk to each npc that has an aspect in the weapon

[unborn ridge]

||charon for the axe, medea for the coat, circe for staff, i cant recall the dagger or torches||

happy hunting

[thorn talon]

thanks

[cold meadow]

I also have an issue where I can't gift echo anything, though I have full bond with Narcissus, and whenever I get into Echo's chamber her page reads she doesn't want a gift, but as soon as I leave the room, it says she would welcome a gift this night.

[jaunty basin]

||Medea is skull, selene is coat, dagger is Artemis, torches is Moro's. Circe and Charon correct||

[jaunty basin]

did you try gifting despite what the book says

[thorn talon]

I'll do more surface runs then

[cold meadow]

Well the RT option for gift didn't show on screen, only talk. Do you mean you can gift even if the option doesn't show?

[thorn talon]

Definitely not because I don't wanna fight Vow of Rivals Scylla

[jaunty basin]

no I was thinking if the option showed up but book said won't accept. but then I don't know

[unborn ridge]

||no? hel aspect for the coat from medea, i see you sometthing about cold and dead, ruler of the underworld, norse||

||welp time to check my weapons after this run again||

[prisma monolith]

Second aspect of each weapon is an npc in the game, they give it

[jaunty basin]

||hel aspect is skull, Shiva is coat||

||Medea gives hel aspect for the skull, selene gives Shiva aspect for the coat||

[jaunty night]

Since they're former bearers of the weapons

[prisma monolith]

Or future, moros hasn't used torches yet

[neat thicket]

lmao making jetty kill scylla is hilarious

[jaunty night]

Oh Fr?

[prisma monolith]

Yeah

[jaunty basin]

most of the ||hidden aspects are future wearers, if we go by the timeline of when historical civilizations built up their mythos||

||besides turbo Unc Gilgafresh but he's the exception||

[jaunty night]

Well hidden yeah but moros I didn't realize

[prisma monolith]

We dont know if the hidden aspects are future or past

[jaunty basin]

if you read my reasoning as to why

[jaunty night]

||Morringan|| for example is mentioned to be future iirc

[prisma monolith]

Using history as a reason doesn't say much since we dont know when in history the events of hades happened

[limpid stream]

Is there any way to increase my chance of ||the raven|| spawning

[prisma monolith]

No

[jaunty basin]

||hel is Nordic/viking era mythos which came after ye olde Greek civilization, meaning she isn't conceptualized yet||

[limpid stream]

Ughhh I just wanna ||upgrade my pets||

[prisma monolith]

What if in the hadesverse the viking wra happened before the hades events

[jaunty basin]

I will gladly let SGG correct me by extending the Hades cinematic universe to other pantheons and connecting them to the greeks

[prisma monolith]

That's the problem right, Is just something we don't know

[jaunty basin]

have you unlocked toula

[limpid stream]

Yes

[prisma monolith]

When in Greek mythology did hecate ||travel back in time to train herself?|| never, that never happened

[jaunty basin]

then afaik you can go for either ||bird dog or polecat|| assuming you've done the incant

[limpid stream]

I haven’t done ||a second pet related incantation||

[buoyant matrix]

i think their next game should be scifi synthwave taopunk but have little easter eggs that everything in the hades games actually happened

[prisma monolith]

I think they should take a break

[jaunty basin]

I think in spirit of bringing the bg3 narrator/a larian classic voice actor onto the scene, the next game will have us on a vessel that crashes and we wake up unscathed on a beach

[buoyant matrix]

unfortunately, rent is due next month

[prisma monolith]

I'm sure they got some bank out of hades

[buoyant matrix]

they did but even so, i doubt they'll take more than a few months break

[worn berry]

Is bewitching eyes the best song?

[buoyant matrix]

I'm an end of time enjoyer myself

[prisma monolith]

Best is subjective

I personally like claw out your eyes the most

[covert badge]

not the best but i think its a nice addition for 1.0

||the fact that jetty wrote this as well||

[prisma monolith]

I doubt this was jetty, that was probably scylla not wanna admit

[buoyant matrix]

ok but did jetty write it or was scylla being petty again

[prisma monolith]

^^^^^^^ I'm glad someone got it

[covert badge]

[buoyant matrix]

also the song has a line "you bring me out of my shell" so either she's lying or she asked jetty to write it

[prisma monolith]

She's hella lying

She wrote it, it's all her

[buoyant matrix]

the one time i believe her is when she said I'm gonna claw out your eyes was in the works way before they met mel, it was probably aimed at circe before she came along

[prisma monolith]

I'd say aimed at odysseus even

[buoyant matrix]

"that little dress, looks like it's from the garbage" the description fits circe's dress 😂

[jaunty basin]

"to whoever it may concern"

[thin laurel]

she def reworked some of it for Mel at least lol, "you can't stay away, seems every you keep comin' back here" idt Circe was making nightly visits

I love I'm Gonna Claw lol, best Scylla song for my tastes (and the Oceanus area music that goes with it is also great)

[prisma monolith]

Yeah this mightve been added after she encountered mel

[limpid stream]

I got ||the bird|| complaining always works

[prisma monolith]

Its my fav for sure

[worn berry]

What does ||Acceptance of Another Fate|| actually do? Just unlocked it.

[prisma monolith]

Reroll the seed

[thin laurel]

what's your personal ranking of all four? 👀 curious

[jaunty night]

Coral crown is SO good tho

The Down drown crown part ugh

[thin laurel]

tbh all four area really good
Coral Crown is actually third for me but that doesn't mean it's bad it just means I love the two above it an absurd amount lol

[buoyant matrix]

1. bewitching eyes
2. coral crown
3. rock and a hard place
4. I'm gonna claw

[thin laurel]

lmao my ranking would be the exact opposite
bewitching eyes is my fav for plot/character but musically I love your bottom two the most

[buoyant matrix]

i respect your opinion 👍

[thin laurel]

and same to you! all bangers so truly no wrong opinion about them tbh 🤷

[prisma monolith]

Im gonna claw
Coral crown
Rock and a hard place
Bewitching eyes

That said, all 4 are insanely good, i do not dislike bewitching eyes

[buoyant matrix]

1. song of the deep
2. song of the isles
3. song of the pearls
4. song of the sirens
   this one is tougher because i genuinely love all four

[jaunty night]

I know Rock and a hard place exists cuz of the OST, I haven't listened to it yet cuz I assume it's from rivals?

[thin laurel]

song of the deep was my crossroads music for 90% of early access lol I love it so much
(partly because it's the Claw counterpart but it's also just so nice)

[prisma monolith]

She first gets it when you put on rivals yes

[buoyant matrix]

yep, is added to the pool once you fight UR scylla for the first time

[thin laurel]

and yes! you hear it the first time for rivals but then it can show up in normal runs too

[jaunty night]

Kinda scared but tbh Scylla is such a pushover without rivals

Might try it soon

[buoyant matrix]

yep, her difficulty spike with rivals is massive

[thin laurel]

rivals scylla is uh. less of a pushover lol
at least with other vows turned on, she can be a run killer for really high fear

[jaunty night]

Uh oh

[thin laurel]

iirc #1 shiva enjoyer was saying earlier that doing all aspects at 32 fear they either died at rivals scylla or won the run, no in between lol

[unborn ridge]

||ah yep. i was wrong, i really should add variety to my weapon choice||

[sharp cosmos]

Hi, who's the one that ||rebels against the gods|| for the epilogue ? The verb used seems a bit light, so I would say ||Eris||, but I already have talked to this one a lot, to no avail, so I'd wager ||Prometheus|| but this one seems to only have generic dialogue, and ||Chronos|| would be a weird one, both because of their progression and light wording

[jaunty night]

Shiva enjoyer... I only used her a little but she seems REALLY clunky

[thin laurel]

shiva is weird but fun imo, def not for everyone but it's tied for my favorite coat
fun with night cycling, big damage, the only coat where I like the Ω attack at all... needs a ton of magick regen tho

[jaunty night]

Selune is great and seems just as good for pumping out omega damage

[sharp cosmos]

I find the buildup too long to do some significant dpson this one

[jaunty night]

Look at mr fancy pants with the actual omega symbol

[wispy storm]

it's specifically ||"he who rebels against the gods" so I assume it's heracles (I haven't confirmed it for myself either)||

[sharp cosmos]

Nope, that's ||the one who works for the gods, confirmed on my end||

[wispy storm]

||"he who cast them out" is chronos i believe||

[jaunty night]

I asked earlier and it's ||Prometheus|| apparently

[thin laurel]

lmao it's genuinely just laziness, it's option + z on my keyboard which is faster than typing omega. ig oattack works but I got used to it

[jaunty basin]

||Prometheus||

[jaunty night]

Hmmm considering my understanding of myth he did the complete opposite of casting out

[sharp cosmos]

Aight, thanks, I forgot to rule out my third guess because they were already included in the prophecy

[wispy storm]

he casts them into an abyss in the story of the game

[prisma monolith]

In the game he kidnapped them and sent them to the void

[jaunty night]

Casted in (to his belly)

[sharp cosmos]

Except we're not talking myth but game scenario, and according to the latter it's totally accurate.
Also, spoilers fail

[prisma monolith]

Hades isn't 1 to 1 with mythology

[jaunty night]

Thank the devs for that

[prisma monolith]

Tell that to #h2-story-discussion

[dry cipher]

Wdym the embodiment of death didn't make out with Zagreus in the myths???

[prisma monolith]

They be cursing the devs over there, there's even one meme with Greg face on it

[jaunty night]

I dare not venture there (I have a mildly positive opinion of Hades 2 story)

[wispy storm]

for what lol making an original work?

[jaunty basin]

Zagreus isn't in the myths

[sharp cosmos]

If I want to scream at the void, I have a black cat for that

[dry cipher]

Based retconning

[prisma monolith]

People didn't like the ending, he wrote the ending, therefore

[wispy storm]

he's named but not very storied as you probably already know

[sharp cosmos]

He is in the Orphic myths.

[prisma monolith]

Tf you mena zag isn't in the myths? Hades didn't invent zagreus lmao

[sharp cosmos]

To be fair, the ending isn't fully cooked, that's about it, else it's good

[prisma monolith]

That's beside the point

[wispy storm]

you guys need to chill out a bit lmao

[sharp cosmos]

What about ?

[jaunty basin]

98% of him seemingly

[prisma monolith]

Yes, but he did exist in the myths

[dry cipher]

I think they play with the idea in Hades 1, when Dio-whatever convinces Zag to mess with Orpheus, tricking him into thinking they're the same person

[prisma monolith]

Same dont worry

[jaunty basin]

the name appears that's seemingly about it

[prisma monolith]

That's enough to prove he exists

[wispy storm]

you both have the exact same understanding of the contents of the text this is completely semantic what's with the arguing here

[jaunty basin]

there's no arguing though

[prisma monolith]

Yeah who's arguing

[dry cipher]

Zag is real I saw him at the local servo barefoot

[prisma monolith]

Pics or it didn't happen

[dry cipher]

The flokka wore off before I could

[prisma monolith]

😭

[unborn ridge]

||vow of rivals fights.. after clearing all.. blood and darkness i hated typhon and chronos's fights. so so much. i enjoyed scylla hecate cerb poly. eris just got way too annoying what with her running away all the blasted time. it didnt feel too different with prometheus and heracles. but my goodness bullet hell chronos and typhon, very yucky, put me through the hades 1 EM4 fight and ill smile, aint doing that again VOR4 will never see the light of day again||

[buoyant matrix]

UR chronos kinda fun

typhon is... ok i guess

[unborn ridge]

||i despised the forced dodging phase so much||

[prisma monolith]

Im glad vor actually made bosses hard this time, in h1 half the bosses become easier with extreme measures

[unborn ridge]

||IN THE NAME OF KHORNE LET ME KILL YOU ALREADY||

[jaunty basin]

so far I'm mainly struggling with UR Cerberus

[prisma monolith]

He's a literal wall

[buoyant matrix]

those were his combo breakers because you were doing too much damage too fast

[prisma monolith]

Also fits thematically

[jaunty basin]

too many overlapping attacks to avoid getting hit so I tend to just pump dps and Speedrun rather than dodge

[unborn ridge]

the key honestly is patience, he has a lot more defense

[jaunty basin]

hard disagree

[prisma monolith]

While he fills the entire map, they detonate at different time, just keep that in mind

[jaunty basin]

the longer I wait the more attacks will overlap and almost guarantee taking hits, so I'd rather sprint it

[unborn ridge]

well i nohit UR cerb this morn to clear UR chronos. the key was just patience and hit any openings

granted i am a filthy parry knife user

[jaunty basin]

it's not that move that's the struggle, it's when he combined that with fire breaths or covering the small circle and doing slams

[prisma monolith]

I like taking my time dodging attacks and it has worked very well for me, if that's not your jam by all means face tank it

[buoyant matrix]

"face tank it" mfs when i have to take antler in fields

[jaunty basin]

that's the thing, I have not and likely will not take antler

[unborn ridge]

madness

[buoyant matrix]

had to do it in my 62 run yesterday

[dry cipher]

I like how|| Scylla makes a whole song explaining how badly you screwed up||

[unborn ridge]

y..wha 62 fear?

[buoyant matrix]

cerb is too tanky and I'm not good enough to take antler to chronos, i have to save time somewhere

[jaunty basin]

fair

[unborn ridge]

💀

[dry cipher]

I usually take the Icarus hammer to Chronos

[outer cradle]

There's no way to refund Nightmare from aspects, right?

[jaunty basin]

I will become that good someday but for now I have employment

[unborn ridge]

nuh uh

[buoyant matrix]

yeah there's a small cult of us running +62 fear on every aspect

[jaunty basin]

no, farm more

[unborn ridge]

💀

[thin laurel]

no, but there are fairly many sources of nightmare in the long run, I feel like I get them faster than I ever did titan's blood tbh. eventually you can buy them in the shop + order them with charon cards + pick them up in late regions if fear is high enough

[wispy storm]

If you misclick you can quit out and back into the file before it gets the chance to autosave, otherwise nah but you can always earn more various ways

[prisma monolith]

Take it in fields

[buoyant matrix]

better yet, take it in oceanus

[prisma monolith]

If you take it in oceanus you cant do side doors in tartarus

[buoyant matrix]

the ever threatening vow of time:

[dry cipher]

I did the side door minibos once, never again.

[prisma monolith]

Ah I dont do timed, so I do all doors in tartarus

[outer cradle]

How high does the fear need to be for the latter method?

[thin laurel]

see I'd love to join you but I simply have a skill issue...
maybe one day, idk, I have been getting better lol

[jaunty basin]

12

and you will sometimes get nightmare sometimes get moondust and I think sometimes Charon cards

[unborn ridge]

• requires an incantation

[unborn ridge]

the ever useless witches delight reward be like

[thin laurel]

witch's despair </3

[buoyant matrix]

it's just a long pipeline, you start doing 32 with different aspects, then 40, then 45, then 50, and suddenly you're entering the chronos fight in a real 62 attempt

[prisma monolith]

On god, you unlock this when you no longer need it

[jaunty basin]

being a responsible pet owner is not a useless reward

[unborn ridge]

my buddies are all maxed 😭 i dont need this just give me nightmare or sdust or moon dust i dont need more treatos

[prisma monolith]

^

[jaunty basin]

eat them urself then idk

[unborn ridge]

theyre YUCKY

[prisma monolith]

Lmao

[thin laurel]

I should maybe rewind and do 32 sigh.
I'm 5 aspects in on 40 fear every aspect surface but it feels more hit or miss than I'd like, and before that I was doing mainly 24 except on aspects I'm rly confident in

[dry cipher]

Sell them for Kudos, get a rug

[unborn ridge]

...pardon?

[prisma monolith]

You cant

[dry cipher]

Rats.

[unborn ridge]

:( back to complaining im not a pet i dont need the treats

[prisma monolith]

Wanna be my pet?

[buoyant matrix]

the trick is to get used to the hardest vows asap

[dry cipher]

We all need treats from time to time

[unborn ridge]

gulp

like if i say yes what happens-

[prisma monolith]

Don't need to get used to them if you need use them

[unborn ridge]

hypothetically...

[thin laurel]

what would you recommend? and do you think it's worth rewinding to 32 or should I just grind lol
I can grab a screenshot of what I've been running ig, I keep changing it since I'm not sure I'm satisfied

[prisma monolith]

You become my pet? Idk never done this before

[dry cipher]

Treat time : )

[wispy storm]

I feel like high fear in h2 feels like a much more intentionally set gameplay challenge compared to h1 heat, like i feel like the devs might have thought about how max fear would play and maybe balanced around it a bit almost

[unborn ridge]

it better not be witches delight

[buoyant matrix]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMywzLDEsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMTJd
this is my "stay in form" setup

[prisma monolith]

Frinos said they are yummy

[unborn ridge]

...fine ill have..one..

[wispy storm]

if we still had feedback channel not having treats show up at those things would go crazy

[thin laurel]

oooooh...
for 40 I was running all of those except hordes, + another level of return, full hurbis and timer
tbh getting used to hordes without timer sounds interesting

[wispy storm]

unless it literally gives you 5 treats or something a star dust just makes so much more sense

[unborn ridge]

i think it was like 2..3? definitely not 1, could be wrong

[buoyant matrix]

hordes3 menace2 fangs2 really sets up your expectations for high fear encounters

[thin laurel]

makes sense!
and then wards I've played with off and on and afaik it's kind of just a "have a solution for wards" check

[wispy storm]

not the arcana one?

[buoyant matrix]

if your bossing dps is high enough you don't even need a solution

[prisma monolith]

🫣

[buoyant matrix]

that's the last ever vow any person runs. the usual 62 setup is everything at max except void0

[unborn ridge]

at least look me in the eye when you feed me wtf!

[dense zinc]

Menace, Fangs, Shadow and Rivals feel like vows you turn on once you get consistent wins without them, and then just never turn them off because they only make the game more fun

[thin laurel]

I'll pivot and try to do more runs with the goal of practicing instead of barely eeking out a win lol, hm. should be fun. when I played h1 I played at 0 heat after maxing out aspects lol and bounced off hollow knight back then cause it was "too hard" so. Growth™
hopefully 40 will feel trivial in a couple months