h2-discussion

[frigid echo]

dora tho

[dull spindle]

Dora is alright

Yeah I do miss Thanatos too

[stone maple]

part of me thought Dusa and Arachne would be dating, idk why tho

[thin laurel]

I think Achilles wipes the floor with Odysseus in terms of plot relevance and character writing, but Dora is fantastic as the Dusa equivalent lol, different vibes but I love her
(also I miss Than so much...)

[iron sonnet]

question about forging a bond with Heracles. I have cleared ||Rivals three surface several times now, which I assume is the "fateful night" mentioned. I've had multiple encounters with him on the surface after that but our trust hasn't deepened yet. Is the fateful night something else??||

[sharp nymph]

I really like dora, she tries hard with her hauntings

[dull spindle]

What do i have to do to get the 4th aspect?

[sharp nymph]

Get all aspects and level one non Mel to max

[thin laurel]

she's also just so funny in general...
Dora asking if she can have ||the shoes you can put in Mel's room after maxing out Hermes bond... girl for what feet, ily you make no sense||

[dull spindle]

I just have to unlock them?

[sharp nymph]

Haha yeh, shes my favourite shade

[devout cairn]

Let's go I got Night's Champion! Think I'm done with Hades 2 for now, great game

[sharp nymph]

Nice , I got my 32 uw today as well ! Now I just gotta finish my minor list off

[main sapphire]

only 38.7% of players on steam achievements have cleared erebus?!

[dark plume]

is it normal that i cant see in the menu what hammer icarus keepsake gave me?

[devout cairn]

Congratz! I was gonna get it on my first try but Vow of Denial completely destroyed my build. Note to self never buy one of those hidden boon if you have it activated.

[rapid plaza]

stats are probably skewed from EA players still

[sharp nymph]

Nah it'll be there at thw bottom where Ur keepsake is

[main sapphire]

ah true !

[sharp nymph]

Yeah I hate denial and boon rstrictions so much I took frenzy 2 Instesd. What aspect did u get it with ?

[stable jewel]

check the bottom row where temporary things show up (like items)

[naive charm]

does natural selection refer to attack/special/cast etc. or just the ones to the right of that?

[devout cairn]

Mel's Staff with Hera on special and hestia attack. What about you?

[dark plume]

thanks

[stable jewel]

Does anyone know how to forge a bond with Hephaestus?

[vivid glen]

hey, what are the ranks I'm getting from the spirit mixer? I don't understand how I am leveling it up

[sharp nymph]

Circie staff with zues cast hers special and all the cast stuff from Apollo and Ares

[devout cairn]

nice, i have yet to do a run with Circe's

[sharp nymph]

I was trying to get it with nyx but couldn't crack it , circie staff is kinda op

[nova oar]

The prestige?

[vivid glen]

Idk if it's called prestige, I'm like leveling from wraith II to wraith I

[naive charm]

any answerers

[nova oar]

That's prestige, it doesn't do anything except be a cosmetic in your Victory screens

[vivid glen]

oh... thanks for the answer

[stable jewel]

pretty sure its split across attack/special/cast/dash/regen

[naive charm]

tyty

[lime timber]

If it's the one I'm thinking of it's all of the boons you can see outside of the menu, so attack, cast, special, dash, magic Regen, and sprint

Basically all the main boons

[noble egret]

cut above + supay is really nice 😄

[stable jewel]

Try Supay + Hestia Special + Demeter cast. that tends to melt enemies.

[low zenith]

Is their a place I can go to report bugs on the switch? I posted something in the h2 tech support section but I don’t know if that’s will get a report in

[stable jewel]

even better if you get Zeus Attack, so if you manage it pull it all together, Freezer Burn + Thermal Dynamics + Hail storm really work well together

[teal zephyr]

Guys, does anyone know what I need to do to unlock the gravest thirst incantation? (The thing that lets me get gems from bosses)

[heavy glen]

i keep thinking the sparkles by the hot springs are examine points but they're not

[bronze stream]

@broken raven You can 'give up' and reroll seed, but you still lose the stuff you accomplished so far in the run

[main sapphire]

just die no?

[bronze stream]

Yeah I was talking in another channel about how I thought it was odd you never ever get 'die immediately' as a QoL incantation for when you're maxed out on meta upgrades (and thus dont die super fast) and trying to farm some thing or progress some dialogue stuff in early underground areas

[hidden nimbus]

I’m ngl the surface is just way more fun for me than the underworld

[main sapphire]

yah there should be a sudoku option

[thin laurel]

yeah, it's extra odd because Mel isn't dying, she's just teleporting back home...? which you'd think she could do whenever she wants to

[bronze stream]

In H1 I can give it a pass "well it would be weird for zag to actually kill himself" but in H2 mel literally shows the ability to teleport home at will

And it should be a post-credits thing if it were in the game because in the story you do actually have an important goal that isn't maxing relationships or whatever

[muted ingot]

does heat rush damage from burning reduced to 1 include the floor fire that prometheus leaves behind on some of his attacks?

[civic jolt]

What magic regen boons should I go for with Moros torches?

[frigid sapphire]

whatever works well enough

[thin laurel]

born gain is my default, but a lot of them work well

[rapid plaza]

hestia/hera/eus typically

[nova oar]

Hestia is risky on moros

[devout cairn]

apollo, demeter or hera

[unkempt zodiac]

Hestia and Apollo are great

Torches can kinda do anyone except poseidon gain

[broken glen]

Born gain born gain born gain

[unkempt zodiac]

And heph but heph gain is barely a gain

[dark plume]

is there a way to force a legendary? everytime i see a youtuber gameplay its like they know when they will get the legendary

[thin laurel]

hestia gain is weird imo since if you get enough channel speed it gets worse, which feels bad since channel speed on moros is good lol

[unkempt zodiac]

If you meet the requirements there's a pretty decent chance you get one after a few tries

[dark plume]

tried to get apollo one in atleast 4 runs and i've only got it in one (||right before typhon||)

[unkempt zodiac]

Maybe it has a lower chance of appearing idk

[broken glen]

There isn’t a way to force a legendary, but every legendary has a couple of prerequisite boons. For example, Exceptional Talent requires the attack/special, the rush/cast/gain, and a misc. boon. As for YouTubers, they do tons of runs that they never upload. You just get to see the lucky ones

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah was gonna say survivorship bias

[thin laurel]

mainly just get the requirements early in the run and use rerolls. you can't rly force it, but they all have specific prereqs and the more times you see that god after getting those prereqs the more likely it is you'll get it

but also sometimes it's just bad rng, I've opened up the legendary in ephyra and just... never gotten it, if my luck is bad. which is annoying but... it happens

[dark plume]

thanks guys

[warm oyster]

did they nerf several of the enemies when they introduced the fear challenges to the game? i swear base game used to hit much harder

[thin laurel]

various enemies have been nerfed during early access, so probably? idk when specifically you're remembering

i.e. the little mechanical enemies on olympus used to explode on death but no longer do, which makes them incredibly easy compared to before.
some enemies have prob gotten minor buffs too, but idr which

[warm oyster]

yea it makes sense, things change a lot when i come back for all the major updates lol, mostly the new areas were pretty hard

[stoic bison]

is the epilogue requirements just random dialogue?

[warm oyster]

i just remember the end bosses hitting so much harder in general

[teal zephyr]

I played this game in early early access, before olympus and everything (and stopped then), Eris and Polyphemus were very difficult for me on frenzy 2, I feel like they have been massively nerfed since.

[thin laurel]

afaik it's mainly relationships with certain NPCs + doing stuff on the fated list
the one big unfinished prophecy should nudge you in the right direction, keep checking that one

[stoic bison]

yea i just have all but one and i keep doing runs to encounter them but im not getting it

[nova oar]

They were nerfed when the next regions came out

[proud ferry]

why can't we reroll daedalus hammer? 😢 nothings sucks more than having like attack build and u get 3 choices for specials

[nova oar]

I'm glad we can't

[heavy glen]

going from hello kitty island adventure to hades 2 and back is so weird lol

[nova oar]

Runs would suck if you relied on a hammer every time

[nova oar]

Me and slime rancher 2 rn

[unique abyss]

Me trying to dash in Stardew Valley 😭

[oblique walrus]

trying to help a friend playing through uh do you still need to get the first 3 familiars before hecate will let you bond with hers just checking

[thin laurel]

dropping a cast circle to try to stop the serpents in skull cavern from killing me <3

[gilded sparrow]

So Witch of the crossroad and Natural talents are still bugged

[unique abyss]

Man that'd be nice

[gilded sparrow]

70 runs in and i still cant get the prophecy to just beat hecate

Like it straight up doesnt show up

[nova oar]

Yes

[oblique walrus]

thanks

[wintry mantle]

ill stand by my statement that the only reason i dont make it to typhon is because of prometheus and Spawn of Typhon

I just lost all 3 of my DDs to prometheus because i got hit once by his memory game and then completely mind blanked

[nova oar]

Here we go again

[wintry mantle]

yeah yeah yeah, insert prolonged complaining sermon here. there its over.

[wraith barn]

what sort of things should i look for on twin blades

[teal zephyr]

You fought the eye yet? Lol

[thin laurel]

idk what advice you've been given about the memory game, but for me literally saying numbers 1-3 out loud (for the last which is safe) helps me remember it a lot, or mouthing the words. physicalizing it is better for me short term memory than just... remembering.

[crude dragon]

Region 4 Amulet time

[teal zephyr]

For the memory game I say "top, middle, bottom", and pause if I need to

[stable jewel]

Don't forget there are Arcana to incrfease the odds of getting Legendary/Duos

[nova oar]

Or literally writing it down

[wraith barn]

yeah same
always say it out loud

[nova oar]

Pos/hestia on attack, zeus/hitch on special

[thin laurel]

writing it down would feel too annoying for me lol since I don't want to pause.
but 1 = top, 2 = middle, 3 = bottom is pretty easy. the patterns also don't have infinite variations, like 1 2 3 2 1 for safe areas is rather common I've noticed

[stable jewel]

top / mid / bottom gang here

[wintry mantle]

ive been given a dozen different tips for the memory game and not all of them work

[teal zephyr]

I like aphro attack setup on Artemis

[scarlet prairie]

Aphro is good on Daggers and Axe in general.

[crude dragon]

The Trick Knives hammer

[wintry mantle]

some of them do work sometimes, but then ill forget where i started. like this time i forgot the first in the sequence and then proceeded to completely forget the rest

[teal zephyr]

And boosting the attack as much as possible, the aphro boon, slow cooker etc

[scarlet prairie]

Aphro thrives on Melee and those are as melee as you can get.

Incidentally, Apollo is almost useless on any dagger aspect.

[teal zephyr]

Honestly Apollo barely fits on anything for me on the %dmg weapons

[scarlet prairie]

Axe.

[teal zephyr]

Usually I'd rather take like anything else

[nova oar]

Aphro sucks on daggers

[crude dragon]

Apollo's good for Charon and Mel Skull

[teal zephyr]

Yeah Than axe comes to mind

[proper seal]

I got 3 duo boons in a poseidon boon how? 😭

[scarlet prairie]

Depends on if you're actually attacking or just being a zoner with special :p
I've found decent success with Aphro on most dagger aspects, though I will admit it's my least played weapon.

[teal zephyr]

Mel Axe I do a dash strike build, I like Aphro/Ares, Aphro/Blitz setup

[crude dragon]

Apollo regen and Special are good for Charon

[nova oar]

You get more from flat damage sources

[crude dragon]

Though Hera Special is also solid

[teal zephyr]

I'd rather take Ares special personally, on Charon

[crude dragon]

Apollo special opens up his Legendary

[teal zephyr]

That's true.

[crude dragon]

Also wouldn't be bad on Shiva for the same reason

Even if the duped special doesn't bounce like the main

[nova oar]

Apollo special goes crazy on shiva

[teal zephyr]

Yeah I haven't dipped my toes in the hidden aspects yet

Though shiva needs a ton of mana from what I see

[scarlet prairie]

All of the HAs are generally pretty good at least.

[young basin]

i cannot for the life of me get heinous affront thats like one of the last duos i need and it absolutely refuses to show up

i feel like im going insane running the same stuff over and over again

[crude dragon]

Isn't the "worst" one Hel? Which is still solid, it just only has 2 builds?

[devout cairn]

I liked them all except for Supay, all the others were innovative but for supay it was like "what if umbral flames, but even more braindead?"

[scarlet prairie]

They killed Supay.

[nova oar]

Yeah I nearly always take Apollo cast cause it's 45 mana gone constantly

[scarlet prairie]

I miss her every day.

[nova oar]

Supay is still s tier

[crude dragon]

Hey, at least it had the orichetomy reverted

Wouldn't call it S-tier, but definitely an A-tier

[devout cairn]

i only got it on 1.0 but whatever nerf it got it deserved it cuz this thing is broken

[scarlet prairie]

Medea has been even more braindead for like 16 months and never got nerfed....

[noble egret]

how do you play aspect of nyx? just seems worse than the other coats

[scarlet prairie]

You wanna talk about brain dead? Equip Medea and roll your finger from X to Y and watch the game crumble lol.

[devout cairn]

im not gonna die on the Medea hill that can get nerfed too if supergiant feels like it

[unkempt zodiac]

The rush bonus used to be 75% and the world was a perfect place

[scarlet prairie]

Ram into things.

[nova oar]

SUPAY IS STILL GOOD

[thorn talon]

ngl guys but Vow of Rivals Scylla is really hard

[crude dragon]

It got 5% reduced blast radius, ackshually

[scarlet prairie]

Anything that affects all Omega moves affects Omega Dash.

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah it is

[nova oar]

Nyx is best of the three as long as you use it with pos or hestia as it allows you to stack more hits

[unkempt zodiac]

The underworld gets buffed more by rivals than the surface

[nova oar]

Yes

[thin laurel]

sprint until your Ω dash is charged, hit an enemy with it, spam normal attack and special until the buff runs out. repeat.
get on hit effects like splash, scorch, and chain lightning on your attacks

[scarlet prairie]

I remember when VoR Poly was like second hardest non-Final VoR boss.

[young basin]

nah ||typhon chronos|| evil

[teal zephyr]

I feel like rivals would be a walk in the park for me if I don't refuse to turn down frenzy 2.

[viscid bear]

||About the Axe Hidden aspect, do you need anything specific about what says on the wiki? (Any aspect of it level 5, talk to charon until he triggers the voiceline)?

Cuz I've done about 20 runs and still no sign of the hidden aspect lol||

Spoilers above

[young basin]

to make up for eris being an easier fight than normal

[unkempt zodiac]

Yes but I'm utterly terrible at rivals chronos

[thin laurel]

I feel like this was really contentious at the time, tbh I never really found him too hard...? on release at least 4 other bosses were harder imo

[thorn talon]

Is Nergal good? I'm half tempted to just use Thanatos and spin all over Chronos

[idle crater]

||the level 5 aspect cant be aspect of mel||

[wintry mantle]

i beat typhon again

[thorn talon]

nice

[devout cairn]

typhon rivals doesnt feel too bad or that different from normal typhon, except for the gimmick at the end. Now Rivals Chronos can go **** himself

[young basin]

my brain is gonna bust if i have to run zeus ares apollo one more time theres no way the game actually hates me

[crude dragon]

So's Unrivaled Sirens

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah every aspect is at least alr and nergal is pretty great

[frigid echo]

I just hate Charybdis is general

[nova oar]

Yea

[teal zephyr]

Never found rivals poly too difficult, took like 2-3 tries to get his moves down (beat him first try). Hecate on the other hand....

[wintry mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100321923243708456/1424589601330303046/image.png?ex=68e47ff4&is=68e32e74&hm=4806e0261fc1e0f5f55bcc94510e24a90bcca23ef3c276264ae1d950b86ba4b7&

[viscid bear]

nice so there it goes my day lmao

[scarlet prairie]

VoR Poly was awful. Poison was dreadful and he broke fountains at random as he phased, it was brutal.

[wintry mantle]

this checks out, i got two back afterwards and didnt lose a single dd to typhon

[nova oar]

451 damage from prom? How many flames did u get hit by

[frigid echo]

actually I might hate the actual Charybdis fight more than rival add on of scylla

[scarlet prairie]

At least IMO, I always quite disliked him.

[devout cairn]

heracles is a big pushover, as someone who never fought him in early access I imagine the fight in general was nerfed?

[crude dragon]

It's quite good, especially with Heph Legendary to make your Berserk mode take only 4 hits

[wintry mantle]

I got hit by all of them on the last memory game because when i got hit by the first one i second guessed my memory and proceeded to lose 3 DDs to him

[thin laurel]

I remember! I think just based on how I played it wasn't as bad as some other rivals bosses. I like ranged weapons so repositioning to unbroken fountains didn't feel that bad. not that he was easy, I just found him easier than like... most other non-eris rivals fights, personally

[unkempt zodiac]

This is so relatable

[nova oar]

Just pause the game a write it down, you're hurting yourself atp

[devout cairn]

nvm you said poly not prom

[wintry mantle]

then i turned it around and crushed typhon under heel in....6 minutes.

[unkempt zodiac]

Prom memory phase is way too punishing

[scarlet prairie]

I played Axe and Coat a lot. So take that as you will :p

[devout cairn]

rivals prom? because his regular isnt too bad

[unkempt zodiac]

Both are equally punishing

[devout cairn]

disagree

[crude dragon]

Nah, the fact those Simon Says trails hit for 100

[unkempt zodiac]

Rivals is harder but harder != punishing

[nova oar]

It actually does get tricky on rivals but on normal i don't think i've ever messed up the memory game

[unkempt zodiac]

I was off by one once and got hit by every single one 💀

[teal zephyr]

Rivals prom I don't have much experience with yet, only fought them once and won with artemis, though in part cause I had a lot of dmg. I imagine I'm gonna get steamrolled in later runs

[devout cairn]

i say it's punishing enough for how easy it is on regular prom

[nova oar]

Definitely

[thin laurel]

I kind of like it better on rivals lol... it's harder to deal with but during the normal fight it became kinda boring imo, and trying to dodge heracles (or get hits in) while still keeping track is fun for me.
sounds awful if the memory game isn't your thing tho

[frigid echo]

until you are playing in vc and your friend suddenly decide to talk to you during that

[crude dragon]

Skill issue, TBH

[nova oar]

Real

[scarlet prairie]

Base Prommy memory game is quite easy.

[unkempt zodiac]

I never said it wasnt

Punishing = if you mess it up you're taking hefty damage

[teal zephyr]

Idk I guess the strat for rivals prom is to ignore him til you beat Heracles? Memory game + dodging Heracles is not a fun time

[unkempt zodiac]

Agreed, it is boring. The memory attack is really lame

[thin laurel]

I feel like it depends what your build is...?
if I fight them with hitch/other sources of good AoE I tend to whittle them down at the same time, give or take, and I more often deal with prom first since I find him harder to dodge.
very different from the elysium fight in h1 where I always focused on asterius first

[idle crater]

unless you're running frenzy, heracles is like, extremely slow during the memory game, you can just run to the other side of the arena

[unkempt zodiac]

Prometheus is one of very few bosses I think is more fun in rivals 💀

[devout cairn]

I think the damage being what it is gets you to actually lock in during that part, even though it's easy. If it did like, half of the damage it does now it'd get pretty boring

[scarlet prairie]

I am still very bad at VoR Hecate and Scylla lol.

[teal zephyr]

Yeah I refuse to turn down from frenzy 2 so rivals is extra hard for me

Poly and eris aren't too bad though

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah it's an unfixable situation. The attack is just dumb imo

[frigid echo]

I don't really like the "haha just add another unit to the fight" idea of most rivals tbh

[nova oar]

Even with frenzy he's slow asf

[scarlet prairie]

Eris can be Annoying if you don't have a good ranged option (axe).

[devout cairn]

heracles is so cool i wish he had a proper fight of his own, right now his team up with prom makes them both look like clowns 😔

couple of buffoons

[thin laurel]

functionally I feel like only 2 of them reeeaaally work that way.
rivals poly and typhon don't add another healthbar, just more attacks to dodge, so functionally it's not rly different than just giving the base boss more attacks 🤷 imo

[scarlet prairie]

I never had an issue with the memory game but I have a mental illness (FFXIV player) so that may explain it.

[teal zephyr]

Makes sense cuz in myth he freed Prometheus from his punishment, idk if the game references this

[dull spindle]

Am i supposed to sell the gemstones?

[nova oar]

Yes

[frigid echo]

same but being a path of exile player here

[teal zephyr]

Nearly 100 runs in and I still don't know how to unlock the incantation that lets me farm gems

[nova oar]

Grave thirst?

[teal zephyr]

I only have 150 from beating ||zag|| 3 times

[scarlet prairie]

I quite like most of the VoR fights now. My big issue is VoR Eris isn't hard but she flies away so often that it feels like half the fight is just her being untargetable.

[idle crater]

nah thats farming bones

[covert badge]

yes, its only for kudos

[thin laurel]

idt grave thirst on its own does that, it's like..... tier 2 grave thirst

[dull spindle]

Ah ok I can finally decorate the place

[scarlet prairie]

Speaking of incantations, I still don't know how to get one to start the Vanity Grind like Unseen One in H1.

[teal zephyr]

Gravest thirst is for gems yeah, I have no idea what i need to do to unlock

[frigid echo]

but then it's still better than the "one mistake and there goes 90% of your hp bar" base eris

[wild temple]

Yoooo I finally beat Prometheus for the first time at 80% godhood 😅

[scarlet prairie]

It's a hard fight, I don't blame you. If you can do it with God Mode, you can do it without whenever you feel comfortable.

[teal zephyr]

Maybe I need to buy some decorations for the game to acknowledge that I need gems so it can give me the incantation?

I have been holding out on them til I finish all the other stuff that requires resources

[scarlet prairie]

There are some Chaos Trials that only have Olympus I would recommend if you just wanna try to practice the fight :)

[frigid echo]

still feel funny that I went 0 fear for the ending grind, just to turned on rival eris later to have a better time lol

[rustic basin]

Yeh, I've gotten way better at all of the fights. The only real problem is that I'm still impatient with Rivals Scylla instead of playing the minutes-long bullet hell that it shoehorns you into

[wild temple]

Wait….i thought Prometheus was the main enemy for Olympus. Like Kronos is the Underworld main enemy and Prometheus was the Olympus main enemy 💀💀💀💀

[scarlet prairie]

...Four regions each :)

[teal zephyr]

Rivals fights sound like absolute hell on 5min timer

[young basin]

does having a god’s keepsake equipped somehow reduce the chances of a duo boon

[covert badge]

no

do you have the queen on btw

[scarlet prairie]

Generally, if you can get past region 1 the timer doesn't really matter. I routinely finish VoR Hecate at ~3-4 minutes if I'm playing well, and Poly in 2:30-3.

[rustic basin]

They're not so bad without certain other Vows, but you do have to get into Hecate by three and a half minutes for the vast majority of builds at ~50F

[young basin]

yup and ive got rerolls

[covert badge]

pray for rngsus is the only way then 🙏

[young basin]

rngsus is making me the court jester of the house of hades

[teal zephyr]

Yep Erebus is the hardest part, doesn't help with Hecates 100 invuln phases and trying to guess which one is real.

[buoyant cargo]

damn..that was pretty smart of me to fight ||zag|| mid-erebus with no boons and vow of time

[scarlet prairie]

#h2-victory-boasting message

Also, what does everyone think of Momus as of 1.0... I just had a really fun run with it that turned my opinion of it up pretty highly.

[cunning wolf]

||how do i Alter the appearance of each Animal Familiar||

[jolly wing]

Is Gold reward ever offered on The Summit?

[frigid echo]

I'm still so sad they "fixed" the torch flame thing

[rustic basin]

It's pretty neat, also holds up very well at high Fear, so

[young basin]

go up to them while theyre sitting and click G to change form in the crossroads

[teal zephyr]

Honestly the only way I've been able to beat him on frenzy 2 is poking him from afar with mel staff, or cast/psychic link dmg with circe.

[scarlet prairie]

I remember a lot of people lowballing its potential but I think it's really fun.

[teal zephyr]

I also beat him with charon

[rustic basin]

Plus it's a rare Aspect that gets a ton of mileage out of Night, so that's cool

[covert badge]

iirc no? also no selene (❌ gift of the moon, ✅ path of stars if have hex)

[brisk harness]

yea lost a 48 with rivals chronos to timer a bit ago

[cunning wolf]

||what are the 3 new keepsakes since release, hades zag and who||

[scarlet prairie]

No. Only boons, hammers, and poms IIRC.

[rustic basin]

Only the 300, I think

[teal zephyr]

||Chronos||

[buoyant cargo]

oh yeah i forgot i was on frenzy 2, i just got insanely greedy. for what, ||1 free item per area||? wow

[idle crater]

and path of stars

[brisk harness]

though in hindsight maybe I shouldn't have farmed more rooms

[cunning wolf]

||how do i increase companionship like where||

[jolly wing]

Which one is it? Gold or no gold rewards

[scarlet prairie]

I try not to think about Selene :p

[idle crater]

smh hexes are good

[teal zephyr]

||In the area between Erebus and Oceanus he shows up sometimes, and you will be able to gift him eventually||

[scarlet prairie]

Hexes are good but they require too much effort to work at base so you have to commit usually.

[rustic basin]

I don't really remember, but I wanna say I've gotten it once or twice (granted I do maybe one surface run for every ten UW runs)

[cunning wolf]

||ah i havent gotten his option yet ig thatnks||

[visual citrus]

Can someone help me? i can't get Rivals 2, the incantation didn't show up even have done rivals hecate and poly multiple times and complete the overworld and the underworld 15 times in total and i have 2/3 statues from Schelemeus.

[thin laurel]

do a few runs and eventually ||you'll be able to gift him, he likes to show up between erebus and oceanus like he did the first time. it'll take a couple repeats for gift to become an option tho||

[brisk harness]

then there are ballers that do 62s and im just like, how

[wraith barn]

i may or may not have just gotten the craziest group of 3 boons offered at once
premium service, chain reaction, and rude awakening all offered at once
swriouslt how rare is this

[scarlet prairie]

Slowly boiling themselves.

[rustic basin]

60's still my max, I should buckle down and do 62 soon

[teal zephyr]

Hexes are not a bad investment for mana heavy weapons, however a lot of the times I instinctually ignore them because they were pretty bad in the earliest phases of early access

[scarlet prairie]

Same tbh. They were awful for a long portion of EA so some of my memories are of that.

[teal zephyr]

Yep exactly

[brisk harness]

i find it really hard to push past 40 but tbh its still skill issue at that point

[wraith barn]

a legendary and 2 duos all at once has got to be insanely rare

[rustic basin]

You do also get railroaded into Vows that just objectively suck, so I don't blame you lol

[scarlet prairie]

Most Hexes are a decent investment if you're burning magic (Momus, Nyx, Charon, Morrigan), but they come online too slow. If you got a free Path of Stars when acquiring a Hex they'd feel better.

[brisk harness]

well at least its not void yet

[rustic basin]

True, but that should only come online at 63+ unless you're insane

[covert badge]

certain hex builds were good though, remember sanctity/geyser? trinity/disintegration/flame strike 10k scorch stack?

[teal zephyr]

They're way better on surface I've found cause you can buy them from hermes, so you don't need to sacrifice regular rooms too much

[rustic basin]

My Nergal 55F was with Void III tho, so that was a rare case

[scarlet prairie]

Certain were good, but that was generally not the norm haha.

[visual citrus]

⬆️⬆️⬆️ Can someone help me with this? ⬆️ ⬆️⬆️

[scarlet prairie]

Have you seen Charybdis in the second SF region?

If you haven't, then you can't get VoR 2.

[thin laurel]

I haven’t seen surface abbreviated that way before and went “omg, Charybdis is on tour in San Francisco? good for her”

[visual citrus]

no i didnt, its just random spawn?

[scarlet prairie]

SF/UW seem like pretty common abbreviations....

[brisk harness]

random yeah

[crude dragon]

Yep

[devout cairn]

people so amped up to do rivals that they never encountered Charybdis in the surface is crazy, i'm surprised how many times it's happened

[thin laurel]

one of two possible miniboss rooms.
so, do chaos trials of that area or surface runs and she’ll show up

[scarlet prairie]

Unfortunately. It's the second miniboss of the region. You just have to be patient. I think it's possible to see her in Chaos Trials that do the Rift.

[visual citrus]

okey then, thanks!

[wild temple]

Damn the music in this area is epic af

[teal zephyr]

Man, I remember the OG Momus, what a cracked weapon that was, and everyone using it to beat 32 fear for the statues (yes the surface required 32 fear once upon a time) 😂

[visual citrus]

i'll try that

[brisk harness]

you will eventually encounter Charybdis just farm surface for a bit you have to anyway

[scarlet prairie]

Thelassy has few actual rooms so it's pretty reasonable to have never seen her if you're good at the game and rush to VoR quickly.

Of my last 5 or so miniboss rooms there, I've only encountered the captain lol.

[brisk harness]

oh right i should do more fresh save torture when I have free time

pb chronos p2

the lack of damage is very perceptible

[devout cairn]

btw is it common for high fear 5 min timer runs get completely screwed on Erebus by RNG? Some rooms had an insane amount of spawns I had no idea how i could hope to clear them in time

[brisk harness]

erebus is a chokepoint for very high fear vot3 yeah

[teal zephyr]

Revenants also waste a lot of time, and Hecate rivals...

[scarlet prairie]

5m Erebus is the hardest region in the game yeah.

[covert badge]

return 2 is practically perma elysium

[brisk harness]

on 32 you dont feel it as much since you just take all the least impactful vows

[scarlet prairie]

Oceanus has fewer rooms and Fields can be done shockingly quick if you just go Miniboss -> Echo -> Field -> Shop.

[brisk harness]

and still clear in 2-3min per region

[scarlet prairie]

So Erebus is by far the time the timer is the most impactful. If you can make it out of Erebus you basically never need to worry about timer again.

[teal zephyr]

And I swear those satyrs are way more annoying than the shield mfs in elysium

[scarlet prairie]

32F was a lot harder pre-VoR since VoR can take up like 12 fear on its own.

[agile crag]

hey uh

[scarlet prairie]

Even if you don't wanna include VoR final bosses it's still like 8 or something.

[agile crag]

i have the game since the early acess and i never had problems with it, but now after the full launch i'm experiencing some random crashes

[devout cairn]

also I wanna talk to Supergiant about Vow of Denials forcing you to take replacement boons, buying a secret boon completely destroyed a run deep into Mourning Fields

[brisk harness]

yeah i hate when that happens sometimes but it is what it is

[agile crag]

is there a patch on the way? my pc specs are - ryzen 7 + rx 6600 + 16 ram

[crude dragon]

Yeah, that and bad Hecate patterns

[teal zephyr]

Sometimes I bounce back by finding the god that had my boon originally and get to repick it, and higher rarity now too 😂

[untold berry]

hi, dont know where to ask this, but when im using the with eris, there is one arrow with hearts for the next gift, what mean this?

[agile crag]

i am losing good runs with good boons because of these random crashes

[teal zephyr]

Cause boons you pick aren't removed from the pool!

[crude dragon]

Romance route, IIRC

[brisk harness]

its pretty rare in practice tho

[untold berry]

thought this was only a really good friend...

[wooden basin]

gotta be a you thing i assume
like i play on an I3 integrated graphics, report it ingame with f10

[stable jewel]

I've only had one crash and I'm on fairly low specs (i5 4460 + 2060KO). First launch after 1.0 dropped I crashed as achievements were popping off

[agile crag]

what can i do to fix it?

[untold berry]

dude, i dont want her as romance rute, can i back and just be friends?

[devout cairn]

i don't think it adds much to the game, all it does is force you to go look at the boons list so you don't get fugged, not exactly high octane gameplay over here

[brisk harness]

after 1.0 my game started sometimes freexing on the loading screen so there is something to the game that happened yeah

[wooden basin]

idk lol
your average crashes fixes online? checking all files and stuff

[crude dragon]

I remember seeing a Mynt high fear run back in Warsong where he got a double rarify on his attack boon in a Family Dispute. IIRC, it was Apollo -> Hera -> Apollo again

[brisk harness]

and its not a potato of pc

[teal zephyr]

You can reject when they make an advance, I rejected Moros

The arrow just shows they're romanceable

[untold berry]

ah, ok, phw, eris just as friend

[fading knoll]

even with the worst possible RNG its still possible to clear in most cases, its just hard

[teal zephyr]

I swear Icarus just never shows up in the crossroads...

[scarlet prairie]

I never have had H2 crash on me, shockingly, though my specs are good (5800X3D, 4070, 32GB RAM). My assumption is if you're using an iGPU it might be running out of VRAM.

[agile crag]

its crazy cuz my pc can run some crazy stuff with no issues but keeps crashing wi h2

[wooden basin]

i play on a laptop, i never had any issues either

[scarlet prairie]

If it's not a VRAM thing, do your basic troubleshooting stuff (check file integrity, sanity test on a different machine).

[devout cairn]

i'll take your word for it since I think I recognize your name from somewhere 🤨

[agile crag]

where do i check vram?

[teal zephyr]

I remember when pencil meta was a thing, cause boon compendium or whatever didn't show what boons you removed with denial 😂

[fading knoll]

Nah that Foolish guy sucks

[young basin]

if you dont pick a duo can it show up again? in the same run

[brisk harness]

5950X, 7900XTX, 32GB RAM
they certainly did something to the game engine, I had zero freezes before 1.0

[scarlet prairie]

If the issues are intermittent still, you may want to take a look at the health of the drive....

[brisk harness]

now it will just choke up randomly when loading

[agile crag]

just bought a new drive like 3 weeks ago, hades is the only game who is giving me this trouble

[scarlet prairie]

Task manager, under "GPU", make sure your dedicated GPU is being used and not your iGPU if you have one.

[agile crag]

don't have integrated grpahics, only my 6600

[wooden basin]

last gen intel 3, 8 gb ram, intel graphics. 60 fps no crashes or freezes
this game is optimized as hell

[scarlet prairie]

Huh. That's weird then. Try to report with F10 next time it happens and describe what you were doing when it crashed.

[brisk harness]

my guess is something messed up with multithreading

bleh
not like thinking it over will help fix the issue

[agile crag]

so the first time it crashed when i was using the spining axe swing, with a lot of AOE boons, so i tought it was a too many effects thing (?) BUT the most recent one i was going from efira to charon's shop, it froze in the loading and just died lol

[covert badge]

do you have rebar on

[scarlet prairie]

I'm not too well-versed in these issues, I'm just a trained IT help person so I can suggest fixes :p

[agile crag]

what is a rebar?

[devout cairn]

that sounds awful, im glad how good supergiant is with QoL stuff, you really miss it in most games

[scarlet prairie]

ReBAR (Resizeable BAR, also known as "Smart Access Memory" or "Clever Access Memory") is a motherboard feature that does a bunch of stuff that you don't really need to know about, you can enable it in your motherboard's BIOS if you don't have it enabled and see if it fixes the issue (though I'm unsure it would, it's a relatively recent feature and H2 is made for old machines... and while you're there, check to see if your RAM is overclocked :p).

[teal zephyr]

Yeah it's been really cool for me starting fresh and seeing how the game has transformed since the early days

[scarlet prairie]

A lot of QoL stuff got added because tons of people complained.

#h2-feedback is 99% complaining, if you wanna go through that.

[devout cairn]

credit to them too

to the whiners 🍷

[brisk harness]

it would be very weird if rebar was the issue in my case since all it had previously done is remove stutters

and freezes

[dull spindle]

What do I do after I get the || void lens?||

[velvet cave]

Get more of them

[scarlet prairie]

You need a lot of them for the incantations to beat the game....

[velvet cave]

I wouldn’t say a lot you only need 4 I believe

[dull spindle]

Ah ok

[brisk harness]

||you need like 15 just for the cosmetic rank stuff lol||

[scarlet prairie]

How do you unlock this argh!!!! I still haven't found it.....

[brisk harness]

i forgor 💀

[rigid fulcrum]

Jeweled Pom is so fun. I think I'm addicted to letting fate do what it wants.

[thorn talon]

is doing the teir 5 bounty of Fortuna the fastest way to level the standing?

[wooden basin]

me when fate is not talking to my olympian broskis

[brisk harness]

i have a love hate relationship with the thing

it makes highrolls really high
but sometimes you dont get a core necessary for your weapon to function until region 3 or ever and it feels blergh

[scarlet prairie]

I still can't get the vanity I'm so unvain.....

[rigid fulcrum]

I'm pretty pick, but if I don't get the core, it's usually fine.

Honestly, waiting till region 2 for it is nice, since I can make it heroic with the calling card.

And I'll even take it at common since... Levels keep it perfectly usable, and I can use the Phial in region 3.

[heavy glen]

does anyone else get the death music stuck in their heads? happened with hades 1 and 2

[velvet cave]

Why do so many people start with jeweled Pom over calling card? Isn’t rarity better than level?

[scarlet prairie]

What are the new Unseen One required resource totals in H2 anyhow?

[teal zephyr]

Really wanna do some runs with the new keepsakes but it sucks that I have to level them first before they get really fun

[wooden basin]

it carries over but its not retro active ig

[scarlet prairie]

You already have Divinity generally, so rarity is already rarely an issue.

[brisk harness]

my winrate skyrocketed once i started taking athena in region 2 actually while otherwide doing the usual pick olympian stuff
rivals scylla and eris fights legit leave you no breathing room and i just despise getting comboed for a quarter of my health in general

[scarlet prairie]

Athena or Fig in Region 2 is generally the safety play.

[rigid fulcrum]

Because you can't use up the Pom.

[wooden basin]

persephone skull + ||pom|| + echo

[velvet cave]

Divinity is only a small boost. From experience it doesn’t make a big difference. You can reset for the first boon ig but the rest are random

[rigid fulcrum]

The rivals Eris feels like it's the easiest one to me.

[thin laurel]

along with what other people said:
no matter when you grab calling card, it has the same number of total uses.
if you get jewelled pom in region 1, then an entire region's worth of boons get +4 levels that otherwise wouldn't.
so since the pom affects every boon, not just a limited number, it's nice to grab first to get the most out of it you can

[velvet cave]

But I guess I can see the argument

[scarlet prairie]

Anecdotally, I see a lot of rare boons, I'm rarely seeing that many commons.

[brisk harness]

some weapons are awkward against rivals eris

[velvet cave]

Fair enough, that does make sense

[brisk harness]

mostly close range stuff since god in hell she will not stop moving

[rigid fulcrum]

Commons are kind of fine too. Aromatic Phial fixes it.

Mostly, a level 4 blue and a level 4 purple boon are pretty close.

[thin laurel]

or hera, or steady growth
idk, rarity also doesn't feel important on every boon, like idc if my arctic ring is heroic for the most part lol

[brisk harness]

rarity in general is w/e on a lot of stuff

[scarlet prairie]

I think of the new keepsakes, it's probably Pom > Time Piece > Calling Card if I have to rank them, but they're all very fun.

[fair void]

how many nights did it take for yall to reach the ending

[brisk harness]

but its nice to have the card for the few ones where it matters a lot like idk apollo attack or something

[scarlet prairie]

125 or so but I played a ton in EA. Probably 20 or so if I did fresh.

[brisk harness]

just crank that up to max

[rigid fulcrum]

Like, roll credits ending, or beating Chronos or reaching Chronos?

[fair void]

Mm, asked cuz im over 50 runs and only beaten chronos 3 times and typhon once

[brisk harness]

if i started fresh i'd take anywhere between 15~25 for the ending, unlocks permitting

[fair void]

credits roll

[scarlet prairie]

I have over 100 hours in the game and probably 2-300 in the first game, so my number is not very normal :p

There's no wrong amount of runs as long as you're having fun.

[steel rapids]

succcess rate boon applies to critial damage chance boon right ?

[brisk harness]

same here
i put in my hours in h1 too

[scarlet prairie]

Like, when I first did Hades 1, I think it took me.... 30? 40? runs to actually get to Hades himself.

[fair void]

Mm, i had over 170 in hades 1 i think

[thin laurel]

yes
altho iirc it may not apply to crit chance from raki for some reason...?

[teal zephyr]

I played quite a bit in very early access, returned for 1.0. I was very rusty, first beat Chronos on the 9th run, ending took me like 40-50 runs (chaos trials included in that), but I prioritized grave thirst and testaments over story progression so that's why it took a bit. Beat prom 2nd try and Typhon 3rd try.

[brisk harness]

and fresh save pb in h1 is also hades p2 for me funnily enough

[scarlet prairie]

Everything except dodge and daze.

Any other luck-based factor is improved.

[brisk harness]

sea star go brrrrrr

[scarlet prairie]

Yes, this means you get like 60% crit rate with White Antler.

[fair void]

makes sense

[scarlet prairie]

Cinis, you're in a server full of people who played this game for a year, it's a bit hard to give a "how long did you take?" answer because 90% of playtime did not have an ending for me to reach haha.

[brisk harness]

same here

[fair void]

fair xD

[scarlet prairie]

But like. Game Hard. Base H2 is probably harder than Base H1, especially surface.

[fair void]

It is by a bit

[brisk harness]

fresh save potentially harder too

[teal zephyr]

Hades 2 is way harder yeah

[brisk harness]

mostly because ||eris will debuff you unless you stay below half health||

[scarlet prairie]

It used to be so much worse in EA....

[steel rapids]

weird i'm suppsoed to have 50% crit rate with killing stroke then but it doesn't seem to be the case, just unlucky coin toss i guess

[scarlet prairie]

I got past Hecate in like the first 2 or 3 runs in EA and immediately got destroyed by Eris.....

[rigid fulcrum]

Wait, is that really it? I thought she just appeared if you were beating the game too fast.

[brisk harness]

fresh save run

[rigid fulcrum]

Yeah, on a fresh save.

[scarlet prairie]

Ever play a strategy game? 50% for the player is actually 25% and 50% for the enemy is 75% :p

[teal zephyr]

on low hp she doesn't appear apparently

[steel rapids]

yeah the xcom effect

[scarlet prairie]

Yeah if you're under 50% HP she won't appear, since you're already likely to die.

[brisk harness]

so basically if you want to have a shot you either fulfill the condition or be a literal god at dodging

[teal zephyr]

how hard can it be without vow of frenzy /s

[brisk harness]

because you will do a lot of it on chronos p2 with how lethargic your damage output likely will be

[scarlet prairie]

Very, especially if you're used to VoF timings and react too quickly.

[jolly wing]

What triggers Chaos to appear on the Surface?

[teal zephyr]

Chronos has some long ass windups to his attacks on 0 frenzy

[rigid fulcrum]

I feel like I'd have done better at 50% hp than with her nonsense.

[scarlet prairie]

They can only appear in the first room in City IIRC. And maybe Olympus? They're very rare on SF.

[brisk harness]

thats why runners purposefully drop to 50% hp yeah

well ~29% technically since fountain heals you up 20%

[scarlet prairie]

You ever play Dark Souls, some times the attacks with the biggest windups can blindside you...

[teal zephyr]

Definitely appears on olympus

Appeared on olympus more than ephyra for me

[jolly wing]

I mean to first appear on the Surface for the first time.

[fair void]

can i just mindlessly buy moondust with bones

[wraith barn]

is there a build that makes coat easy? im trying to do the prophecy for gettinf every weapon a surface win but i just am NOT having fun playing coat

[fair void]

i barely touched coat and skull

[wraith barn]

skull is easy to get a good build on and i feel its pretty fun

[fair void]

skull is a lot more fun than coat though

[wraith barn]

coat is the only weapon i actively dislike

[fair void]

yeahh i can see it xD

[wraith barn]

i at least like all the other ones but i genuinely despise coat

[prisma monolith]

That too, like first 10 runs only

[wooden basin]

i only feel comfortable playing coat with the right hammers

[fair void]

i dont even wanna play it enough to know whether i actually dont like it or not

[fair void]

that said, i tried freezer burn with it once and it was alright

[boreal yoke]

Has anyone made a list yet of how many of each resource are actually required before it becomes unneeded? :)

[fair void]

hestia attack and demeter special

[wraith barn]

if i wanna play freezer burn ill just play torches or daggers which it feels way better on

[fair void]

fair lol

[trim tulip]

One comfort coat build I have is romantic spark spam. Slap Zeus attack on the weapon, get any core Aphro boon, and you can get their duo rather quick, and from them just spam dash strike on enemies to trigger the duo effect. You can also slap Heph on it for his duo with Zeus, or Demeter cast for their duo, and such.

[soft solar]

who are best gods for aspect of medea skull?

[trim tulip]

Another classic coat build is Poseidon attack dash strike spam, though that depends on getting the multi-hit dash strike hammer because it really elevates the damage

[wraith barn]

i just want a coat build thats super easy to win with and very consistent bc i want this prophecy over and done with so i never have to touch coat again

[fair void]

zues special with aphro attack? idk im kinda new

[trim tulip]

Well there you have it. Romantic spark is really the one core you need, and everything else is just added damage

[jolly wing]

I have 3 Shadow material. What else are they used for?

[prisma monolith]

Check the inventory, it says in there what everything is used for

[bronze stream]

Remind me what was the completely busted synergy they nerfed with fine line and righteous pike?

[fair void]

how much cookies does the pets eat up damn

[prisma monolith]

Torches

[wraith barn]

torches i assume i wasnt here in ea

[meager garden]

wait did someone get 67 surface????

[bronze stream]

Ok right so as usual medea wasnt touched lmao

With posessed array silliness

[meager garden]

no it lost the cast bug :(((
they need to buff its damage and speed to compensate

[bronze stream]

True Medea does need buffs

[violet matrix]

if i do chaos trials in fields of mourning

[nova oar]

No

[violet matrix]

nemesis can show up there? so i can do the nemesis achievment

[prisma monolith]

Probably

[meager garden]

probably not
I don't think npcs are in chaos trials

[crude dragon]

Zeus Special, Aphro attack, the chance you actually proc Romantic Spark is minimal but it's potentially there

[nova oar]

They're not

[bronze stream]

I think if Medea is just a little bit faster ||we can move so fast that we go back in time ourselves, deal with chronos properly, and tell zagreus to get bent||

[remote locust]

Maybe take the Infernal Arms with us while we're there

Not that I dislike the Nocturnal Arms, not at all, but it'd be really fun if we got to play with them in Hades 2, too 👀

[meager garden]

nah the nocturnals are way more fun

[wraith barn]

freezer burn on fists 🤤🤤🤤🤤

[jolly wing]

(Shadow material) Mostly used for incantations, but for which ones? Besides Permeation of Witching-Wards

[bronze stream]

I just want to snipe Eris from a boat

[thin laurel]

it would be fun, but also working the Ω system into them would be weird, like... how do you do that with bow?
I assume the dialogue between Od and Mel about how she sucks at the bow is a tongue in cheek nod to the fact that charged bow shots don't really work in the combat system very well lol, since charged attacks are magick ones now.
(ig you could make every bow shot take magick, but that seems weird)

[tropic monolith]

I am very disappointed that vow Typhon ||does not include ripping your way out of his gullet after he swallows you as the finisher||

[soft solar]

i always forget rivals poly is lowkey harder than typhon

[thin laurel]

what weapon are you using?? I feel like rivals poly is usually pretty tame, unless you mean prom

[tropic monolith]

poly?

[soft solar]

polyphemus

[buoyant matrix]

skill issue not even gonna sugar coat it

[tropic monolith]

oh right the first ... uh.

I don't find rivals poly harder than typhon ><

[thorn talon]

Would've been a great way to reference God of War

[soft solar]

im using medea skull idk i feel like the needing to dash into him when all his attacks come from his base are kinda troll

[tropic monolith]

also to reference dialogue with Odysseus where he was coaching Mel on how to tell a great story and suggested it

[tropic monolith]

okay I'll grant that certain weapons are brutal against poly+, but that's more the weapons design being a bad match for that fight than the fight itself being harder

Also in that situation I'd use omega attack way more heavily

[soft solar]

i mena its still a busted weapon, i also just completly forget to use omega attacks when using medea skull lmao

[jolly wing]

Besides Rerolls and 300 Gold, what Arcana cards should you prioritize to upgrade?

[tropic monolith]

hits absorbed at a guardian, if you like to use it

[remote locust]

The one with Chaos on it, which increases damage when you have 2 or more curses on an enemy

Damage multipliers are big in this game

[tropic monolith]

is that great? It seems like it would be a fairly limited damage boost that just adds with others you've got

[thin laurel]

origination, either strength or death
probably persistence and furies too, imo

[jolly wing]

In that order?

[remote locust]

I thought so too for a while, but then I tried it. I melted things so fast

[bronze stream]

I learned this weekend how circe with call lightning lets you just play as heavy artillery

[tropic monolith]

hmmm...

Maybe because it boosts the damage of all the stuff that normally boons don't touch

[buoyant matrix]

origination is global damage boost, meaning it affects nearly EVERYTHING

[scarlet prairie]

1.5x extra damage is insane for free.

[thin laurel]

not necessarily
I'd say strength/death > orig = persistence > furies...?
orig for damage persistence for survivability, whichever you feel you need more of

[wild temple]

Does anyone know if the hades 2 soundtrack is available on Apple Music yet? I know Hades has its soundtrack on Apple Music. Just out of curiosity I tried to look for it but can’t find it

[prisma monolith]

I know it's on youtube and spotify

[scarlet prairie]

The only thing Orig doesn't effect is weird one-offs like Morrigan Blood Triad.

[buoyant matrix]

it's not 1.5x, it's an additive +50%

[tropic monolith]

yeah but attacks, specials, etc. have a bunch of +damage% from other sources so it's nowhere close to 1.5x on those

[wild temple]

Oh cool thanks

[buoyant matrix]

the thing is that it affects sources other than attack and special. poseidon splashes, scorch, blitz, cast damage etc

[jolly wing]

How about Divinity? Worth getting that extra 5% epic rarity?

[scarlet prairie]

Orig is also painfully easy to set up since most Gods come with curses.

[buoyant matrix]

it's 15% at max level which is pretty good then

[tropic monolith]

yeah

[scarlet prairie]

Rarity doesn't matter for casual play really so not really, but if you have it active no reason to not upgrade it.

[prisma monolith]

Yeah rarity is nice to have, but not necessary by any means

[scarlet prairie]

Orig is statistically the best damaging Arcana card and requires very little setup to use. You should always be using it tbh.

[jolly wing]

I'm hoping to get Epic Quick Buck, Travel Deal, Buried Treasure, and Sea Star. They help a lot with farming resources.

[wraith barn]

i've never used it
hashtag oops

[buoyant matrix]

never too late to start

[scarlet prairie]

It's free 50% damage!

[jolly wing]

I'm starting Night 13 and I have 27 grasp. Thanks Chaos.

[scarlet prairie]

Take off Unseen and put on Orig....

[wraith barn]

im not using unseen either 👀👀👀

[scarlet prairie]

Wtf is your Arcana loadout.

[buoyant matrix]

excellence?

[wraith barn]

unseen is lowkey useless just grab born gain or cardio gain

[prisma monolith]

Missing out, origination is a must have in every build, no exception

[scarlet prairie]

Please tell me it's not Excellence....

[jolly wing]

Or Moon Water with upgrades

[wraith barn]

im in a run rn and im too lazy to check

[teal zephyr]

it's time.... https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1383166531730673777/1424617131672211486/image.png?ex=68e49998&is=68e34818&hm=247a0ee1f5c839e1fee4791ad57498a3b7ee15570cc115f96421bc2c3e0c8bf7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1243&height=699

[buoyant matrix]

do Medea's incantation too smh my head

[jolly wing]

Does anyone know what's the upgrade cost for rank 3 of Origination?

[prisma monolith]

Been months

[crude dragon]

I think it's just Darkness?

[buoyant matrix]

ngl sometimes i forget these stuff have to actually be upgraded

[prisma monolith]

Yeah lmao

[buoyant matrix]

I'm too used to my beloved maxxed out file 🫀

I'm a filemaxxer fr fr

[remote locust]

I agree like 95% of the time -- but I can make an argument for build-specific reasons to activate Unseen

[wraith barn]

only reason i could see unseen being needed is if your build is super crazy hyper specific and has no room for those crazy gains like born or cardio

[scarlet prairie]

I genuinely can't lol. It's so difficult to slot in without taking something actually good off and if you really need a magick battery, Born Gain or Cardio Gain usually works better.

[crude dragon]

Or Tranquil, or Lucid

[wraith barn]

it also helps that hera is generally just really good to take too

[scarlet prairie]

Even the Zeus gain is generally decent....

[wraith barn]

so a lot of runs will have her anyway so may as well take her gain

[crude dragon]

Oh, right. Does Seismic Servo affect Ionic Gain?

[remote locust]

Hephaestus gain is typically not good but after begrudgingly taking it once, I was somewhat pleased with its flat damage negation sometimes

A build that involves having that gain boon could in a very specific permutation be a good argument for Unseen imo

Bear in mind, I'm not advocating for using Unseen just-because or even very often at all -- I'm just being a bit contrarian by supposing that I could, hypothetically, see reason to consider it

[full python]

unseen arcana is straight trash

[remote locust]

It generally really is way too expensive to generally consider though yeah

[honest solar]

Does anyone know what more songs are out there like time belongs to us now

[scarlet prairie]

Unseen is a 2-grasp card wearing a 5-grasp suit.

[buoyant matrix]

in the blood from the first game

[honest solar]

Other songs

I haven't listened to transistor and bastions soundtrack so maybe from there also

[full python]

whens the next major update boyos :^)

[nova oar]

Never

[wraith barn]

i swear why does axe feel so bad for surface

[nova oar]

All major updates are done

[nova oar]

Because eris prom and poly are not great

[full python]

Done until like.... march mayhaps? ||/s||

[scarlet prairie]

Slow.

[wraith barn]

eris and poly are fine its all prometheus

[covert badge]

if you mash attack ofc its gonna be slow

[nova oar]

No more major updates ever, that's it

[scarlet prairie]

Get Than Axe or Charon Axe and it's better.

[honest solar]

Thanatos aspect is faster and try for boons that increase range and speed

[hazy bough]

did you play pyre? "never to return"

[honest solar]

Thanks but are there any songs where Colin Ryan sings or a voice like him his voice is rly pretty

[hearty fog]

Worth noting that Bastion, Pyre, and especially Transistor have OSTs deeply-entwined with their stories. Listening and reading lyrics carries real spoiler potential.

[drifting basin]

hey nemesis romance question cause i have no idea what im doing wrong ||is there something im missing? ive got her at full hearts, shes showed up in my runs 10 times past getting full hearts, and ive won against her 8 times and lost to her 2 times - is there some pre-requisite im missing? No matter what i do, i cant get the romance scene to occur. Ive beaten chronos twice, if that matters.||

[honest solar]

I'm probably not going to play them I just wanna hear more Darren korb

[tropic monolith]

10 dust 1 shadow

[hazy bough]

is there like a super-endgame resource sink in the same vein as the rankups in h1 btw

[honest solar]

I was hearing that apparently that time belongs to Us has bastion and transistors motifs. Is that right

[wraith barn]

is there like a specific few boons i should look for on axe

[buoyant matrix]

yes there is

[full python]

which axe

[violet matrix]

anyone that did the nemesis achievement, any hint?

[wraith barn]

than
only aspect i have investment in

[crude dragon]

Yep

[wintry mantle]

who do i show ||aspect of thanatos to unlock the axe hidden armament?||

[hazy bough]

charon

[buoyant matrix]

apollo, aphro or hera on attack are bread and butter

[crude dragon]

You always want to go percentage attack and special on the axe with how hard it hits at base, and as for hammers, literally anything but Hell Splitter has its uses

[wraith barn]

yeah i already know that is there anything specific i should know

[covert badge]

keep winning on nem's challenge

[full python]

than axe I don't think you can really go wrong on tbh. blitzed on special, some % increase boon like hera/aphro attack. special -> attack loop forever. Demeter cast maybe to keep stacks up for if you plan on using omega attack

[crude dragon]

10 wins total

[buoyant matrix]

for thanatos, psychic whirlwind is the best hammer, if you build big into apollo try going for his legendary

[crude dragon]

Shrimply kill better than she does. Which shouldn't be hard, she doesn't even use her own aspect correctly :3

[full python]

I generally am against taking Apollo in any scenario over the other gods but yeah that probably works great. can't go wrong

[hazy bough]

i feel like the axe omega attack is borderline unusable without psychic whirlwind

[buoyant matrix]

nah it's good, just falls off at the highest fear and speedrunning levels

[wraith barn]

eh ive been using hera for attack on axe anyway i feel hera just has generallt more id want than apollo or aphro

[hazy bough]

hera is my favorite on the axe attack usually

[crude dragon]

Definitely recommend him with the axes. Obviously, Charon benefits a lot from his regen, but also works well with his Special because it means more overlapping areas on the explosions. Plus Prominence Flare will proc with Charon

[hazy bough]

hitch is just so busted

[full python]

Hera is my #1 god. I don't think she ends up doing the most in any particular run (usually) but she's so good that she's basically always #2 past whoever else I focused on that run. Always take Hera ❤️

[hazy bough]

also when did they change apollo gain so that you don't need to stand in the circle? weird

[radiant crag]

1.0

[buoyant matrix]

with the 1.0 launch, it was an amazing change

[hazy bough]

meh

[covert badge]

yeah i prefer the inside-cast way but ppl like this qol so

[scarlet estuary]

Are hidden aspect unlocks gated behind getting the end credits now?

[hazy bough]

feels too free

[buoyant matrix]

the inside-cast way meant it was only ever used with charon axe

[radiant crag]

recovers less iirc

[dull spindle]

How do I beat the game do I just need to keep climbing up to ||mount Olympus and getting the eyes?||

[hazy bough]

standing inside the cast wasn't THAT hard

[crude dragon]

Yep

[covert badge]

charon, or winner, or hostile. yeah its kinda limited

[buoyant matrix]

no, unlock the three base aspects of the weapon and invest 5 nightmare into it

[full python]

i like shooting casts from hestia/zeus/||hades|| so i never stood in cast rly

[crude dragon]

Or new Circe
Or potentially Momus

[scarlet estuary]

Do you need nightmare??? I just upgraded the base aspect

[hazy bough]

is winner's circle bad now btw

[dull spindle]

Are any of the 4th ones extremely good

[buoyant matrix]

yes, staff and blades and axe are quite strong

[mystic dust]

I'm excited, I think tomorrow I'll get the platinum out of Hades.

[crude dragon]

All of them are besides arguably the Skull

[violet matrix]

question, she challenges me to kill contest only in fields? or can it be in every other region

[hazy bough]

i like hel

[crude dragon]

Any region

[dull spindle]

Someone in here said the skull was amazing

[soft solar]

lol i just beat typhon without even having a hex the whole game i didn't even realize

[violet matrix]

i dont remember her chall me in other regions, but i will get it done now, literally last achievement that i have to do

[buoyant matrix]

yeah hexes aren't necessary

[crude dragon]

Hel's good, but you have a single build unless you get an early hammer that makes the OAttack build possible

[dull spindle]

I don’t like the skull

[scarlet estuary]

???

[full python]

Hidden skull is mindless... uber broken. Silly even

[dull spindle]

That’s my least favorite weapon

[hazy bough]

i like all the skull aspects and always have

[soft solar]

also my point stands typhon is so easy like i get hit by him maybe 3 times per game now only during his second phase when i stop caring cause ik im gonna win but half the other bosses i take plenty of damage from

[crude dragon]

and invest 5 Nightmare into it
@scarlet estuary

[buoyant matrix]

yes, you have to spend 5 nightmare on the weapon

[full python]

Legit just toss a heroic hera special on it and clear every room with a single button

[wraith barn]

whats a good boon to put on special for origination on than axe (im running hera attack)

[scarlet estuary]

I remembered I got the coat hidden aspect for unlocking the max base coat

[dull spindle]

How are the abilities that bounce off enemies good for bosses ?

[crude dragon]

Clang

[scarlet estuary]

So idk

[wraith barn]

im thinking demeter but idk if the uptime on freeze is good enough

[crude dragon]

Because they still proc their first hit on the bosses

[buoyant matrix]

with than axe you're better off activating origination with your cast
otherwise probably freeze or blitz

[wraith barn]

ok but consider: i dont like cast

[crude dragon]

What are the ranks of your Nyx and moon coats?

[stable jewel]

If you get Demeter cast + the other Demeter boon that adds Gale to the cast, one cast procs origination right there

[buoyant matrix]

ok but reconsider: cast is very good

[wraith barn]

i always forget to cast unless im running cast builds or smth

[dull spindle]

So it bounces off the boss in a way?

[crude dragon]

Not anymore, they changed that back in Unseen, that Demeter can't proc Origination by herself

[buoyant matrix]

no it doesn't, they specifically changed that interaction long ago

[stable jewel]

Cast Builds are my favorite

[stable jewel]

ugh

[scarlet estuary]

Oooooh can it be invested throughout multiple of the aspects? Not just one?

[wraith barn]

i like casts when im specifically building for it but i never remember to use them when im not

[crude dragon]

Yeah. And in chain lightning's case, there's also the Heph/Zeus duo that lets you count as a valid target for chains (it won't damage you)

[full python]

if we're still talking hidden skull here you just have to omega special a few times. have a decent mana regen boon. you'll be fine. Later in the game have master conductor proc off every single wave of the omega special and nuke em

[buoyant matrix]

invest 5 nightmare into the weapon as a whole, not a specific aspect

[crude dragon]

Correct, it can. Which is why I had the epiphany that it's just 5 Nightmare and not necessarily a non-Mel maxed, because someone else had that scenario you did with the Coats

[dull spindle]

I thought those build where only good for room clearing not bosses so I never go with them

[crude dragon]

Nope, works for bosses as well as trash

[full python]

master conductor makes it a boss killer

[hazy bough]

chain lightning is best when it can, yknow, chain, but it's still adding flat damage to every attack

[dull spindle]

That’s crazy

[full python]

zeus infusion to make it a flat 50 per bolt per bounce is also good so you don't need to invest at all

[hazy bough]

the zeus infusion is still not my favorite in terms of design but the number is so big now i have to love it

it kind of makes king's ransom redundant unless you want the big blitz

which, you do, but that's besides the point lol

[buoyant matrix]

air quality with supay running hestia rush is crazy

[full python]

air quality hestia attack on hidden staff..... pffft and they wanted us to go apollo

[hazy bough]

the air quality synergies are so fun. if they ever make glorious disaster like, not the most annoying thing in the world-

[dull spindle]

I must be horrible at making builds

[hazy bough]

just stand around for FIVE MINUTES channeling to make your omega cast like 20% better

[full python]

i used to love omega cast builds so much in early early access

[soft solar]

nah wtf did i just kill skelly 😢

[crude dragon]

He gets better, don't worry

[soft solar]

[crude dragon]

"And I'm back!"

[soft solar]

also whats best gods for staff

[covert badge]

Which aspect

[soft solar]

momus

[crude dragon]

Apollo or Hera

[soft solar]

any others?

[sour flower]

any haelian fans in the chat? im curious if anyone knows if his reaction to the ending is out anywhere, cause he never posted it on yt :(

[sour flower]

it comes with time and also from seeing other peoples builds

[hazy bough]

does the demeter boon that makes your omega attack chunkier apply to the successive momus blasts?

[crude dragon]

Poseidon for Geyser Spout, Ares for Grievous Blow and Meat Grinder, Demeter for Local Climate

[hazy bough]

also is fine tuning momus still legit

[crude dragon]

They should, yes

[dull spindle]

I put 85 hours into hades 1 I just don’t think I get the synergies of gods going well enough

[crude dragon]

It'd be on his Twitch channel's VODs, if you can stomach that site

[hazy bough]

oh it's called premium service now

daww i miss my 0.5 second momus pulses

[crude dragon]

It got hit with the +.5s nerf like everything else, so it's now every second instead of every half second

[sour flower]

i can not! thank you for letting me know lolll

anyone know if artificer disables ||fates whim?||

[crude dragon]

It doesn't

[sour flower]

ty

[soft solar]

wait its so funny u can get to the door and take it before nemesis does in erebus and mel says "No you dont" lmao

[full python]

Nemesis is literally my least favorite character because of door taking

[prisma monolith]

Just beat her to it

[unkempt zodiac]

how do you play hel

[prisma monolith]

Omega special, then hold left click

[full python]

its inconvenient. Especially in the fields when you both could be anywhere in the room when those doors open

[thin laurel]

like torches with less range and more attack speed 🤷 more or less

[prisma monolith]

That's why I leave nemesis for last in fields

[unkempt zodiac]

wow

[prisma monolith]

That shrimple, yeah

The omega attack might as well not exist

[unkempt zodiac]

this aspect sucks

[hearty fog]

It takes a bit to get going.

[thin laurel]

ngl I find it kind of boring. it doesn't feel weak but I like torches better if I want to hold down the attack button.
I like how the Ω special feels tho, kinda wish it were viable to make it that primary damage source. having mom skull Ω-spec as a projectile instead of a car you zoom around in is fun

[prisma monolith]

I think the only aspect i find boring is anubis

[unkempt zodiac]

i like anubis. the only one i really dont like is supay... but... i get why people like it...

[thin laurel]

I'd find anubis boring but I love positioning the omega attacks via mid-channel dashing, so I like it a lot. dashing into ghosts is also funny but I usually forget to bother with it

[unreal isle]

supay + a fun rush boon is always good

[unkempt zodiac]

i dont find it very fun

[prisma monolith]

I use it as part of my weapon rotation, but yeah generally boring with it

[unreal isle]

well yea enjoyment is subjective after all

[thin laurel]

also supay is weird, to me it feels like a gimmick run...? like doing king's ransom with zeus sprint before supay existed, fun to do now and then because of how different and silly it feels but I'd never play it super often

[unreal isle]

imo Anubis + supay + Thanatos/charon are the best aspects to have fun with

[unkempt zodiac]

per weapon my most used is circe pan moros charon medea shiva

[unreal isle]

how do people like Shiva 🥀

used it once and never again

[merry whale]

big number go boom

[unkempt zodiac]

my favorite version of shiva was the original release version then they made it suck and the current version is like alr

[merry whale]

u can do like 2k damage with one omega atk

[coral crescent]

So am I just dumb or is there supposed to be a loadout system for arcana? I looked it up and I just haven't gotten the Spreading of Ashes incantation yet, what are the unlock conditions? I feel like I'm decently i the mid-game unlocks wise

[unkempt zodiac]

the problem is the coat is by far the worst weapon overall imo

[unreal isle]

that doesn't seem very impressive

[covert badge]

shiva is fun but wards erases the fun out of it the fact that o.atk is one-hit

[unreal isle]

I don't remember unlocking the loadouts early or mid game, might be later on

[covert badge]

same reason as hestia rail in h1

[unreal isle]

why tho...with Shiva you need to use omega special first before using your omega attack, that already removed the wards

[coral crescent]

Like after ||6 chronos clears and a typhon clear plus familiars?|| still further?

[unreal isle]

the idea of standing inside my omega special makes me despise Shiva as well

[covert badge]

but the full combo is so pricey..

[unreal isle]

I remember doing 60+ nights before it so uh...I don't really know

[nova oar]

Shiva is amazing

[maiden pelican]

Is there an optimal familiar to use for grinding kudos?

[nova oar]

Take apollo, the window for actually being in the radius is very generous

[unreal isle]

just use hound, 150 base magick capacity is insane

[hearty fog]

Wards feels bad even on stuff like Anubis to me.

[coral crescent]

damn I just wanna use different builds on the fly already

[nova oar]

Frinos probably

[unreal isle]

true

[buoyant matrix]

stuff that you plant and harvest give the most kudos so probably hecuba

[coral crescent]

seems like kind've a core quality of life thing imo, but I guess I'll get to it when I get to it

[unreal isle]

okay what...Anubis is literally perfect against wards

[nova oar]

Wdym

[coral crescent]

Like I wanna setup just some basic arcana loadouts for pan and circe without having to re-do it (even if it only takes a min or so)

then I can just swap and do a run in like 10 sec because I'm lazy as hell

[sour flower]

you're close i think

[nova oar]

I have 1 arcana setup and never change it

Well 2 depending on fates whim

[nova oar]

You can have multiple arcana builds to swap between what

[sour flower]

speaking of fates whim im at eris rn with no attack or special boon, never playing without rolls again

[sour flower]

they're annoyed that it's taking so long to unlock a QOL feature

[coral crescent]

Like presets? because I haven't gotten customizable presets yet

[thin laurel]

you get 6 total eventually

[nova oar]

Just unlucky, it's still way better than with rerolls 90% of the time

[coral crescent]

Prob just meta progress I haven't made yet

[nova oar]

Ohhhhh, still, you'll be fine with one arcana build

[crude dragon]

Onion?

[sour flower]

i change my arcana after every run :p

[sour flower]

no, tbh i just got greedy wanting a specific attack and now im suffering for said greed

[thin laurel]

onion frequency really went up in hades 2 vs h1...
you can interact with so many onions in one run. dora keepsake, every moon/unseen challenge, forfeit. GOTY for onion lovers <3

[nova oar]

With fates you don't want to be aiming for specific boons, you roll with what you get

[buoyant matrix]

i like to imagine mel eats onions like apples
just grab it and bite a big chunk out of it, skin and all

[thin laurel]

ty for the mental image, I will treasure it

[hearty fog]

Not the skin!

[sour flower]

...? its the best part

[hearty fog]

I think she peels them, then eats them like apples.

[sour flower]

she uncultured for that lowk

[hearty fog]

Of an onion?

[thin laurel]

feeds the peels to dora like Howl feeding calcifer egg shells in the ghibli movie

[crude dragon]

(Hades also does this)

[sour flower]

isn't there a voice line post game where he has a really proud dad moment as he witnesses melinoe biting into an onion? he says something about how even though he didn't raise her, they're still so alike. then takes the onion out of her hand and takes a big ol bite. maybe im thinking of something else i cant remember

[soft solar]

just killed chronos with my cat lmao

wish there was a voiceline for ur familiar killing the bosses

[violet matrix]

i did 7 runs till fields, saw nemesis 6 times and she didnt challenged me ONCE, any chances of increasing the odds of her challenging me or pure rng?

[soft solar]

might be how close u are with her?

[violet matrix]

well, i did everything with her on the relation, didnt unlocked ambrosia btw, but she used to challenge me normally

but lately the only things she offers is getting hit / hit me / trade

[unreal isle]

You're just unlucky

[soft solar]

theres a vocieline u need to cause to get the locked heart

[violet matrix]

i dont have any tracks of how much i won against her too, just want to get this and close the game

[unreal isle]

at some point I had to find Heracles 16 times just to get one specific dialogue from him, the game is weird like that

try another day or take a break for now

[violet matrix]

yeah, this is one of the reasons i hated to platinum the first game, now i just want to finish this one and never open the game again LOL

[unreal isle]

it's fun tho, if you aren't enjoying that process then you are kinda wasting your money ygwim?

[random lintel]

Another crash 😭

[violet matrix]

i def loved it, all the other achi3vements were fun

[thin laurel]

yeah, I can't rly relate to not wanting to open the game again lol... if I was playing for completion I wouldn't have multiple hundreds of hours in early access before I even could max out most relationships + before achievements existed lol
but I can understand being a completionist and being frustrated when completionism is so rng dependent

[unreal isle]

fair enough

[violet matrix]

but doing runs over and over again and hoping to be lucky to proc certain thing its really unpleasent

[violet matrix]

This XD

[unreal isle]

yeah the rng based completionism kinda sucks but I enjoy the replayability and repetitivity a lot

still don't know how to get Poseidon's last heart tho

[calm sorrel]

Man, ||rival|| scylla got hands

[thin laurel]

also heracles and hephaestus were both bizarrely stubborn about giving me max affinity dialogue... grumpy men with H names stop witholding affection smh, let me gift you ambrosia and move on

[thin laurel]

she REALLY does. hands, ||and tentacles, and a bullet hell... one of the hardest rivals fights imo||

[violet matrix]

for real, had to be psychologist of heracles for 1289274 sessions

[unreal isle]

especially the newest addition being annoying as hell

[unreal isle]

Heracles was one of the first I've ever maxed out

[calm sorrel]

Her song is very on theme, doesn’t matter where I go something is gonna hit me

[unreal isle]

he was only stingy with the fates quest

[wheat quail]

For Odysseus' bond questline... do you need to wear ||knuckled bones|| past ||Polyphemus|| or can you take it off for the rest of the run?

[calm sorrel]

||Rival|| Eris is easy in comparison lol

[unreal isle]

only for the boss , take it off afterwards

[thin laurel]

you can take it off, and also you can do this in chaos trials that only go to one region at a time! which speeds it up a lot

[wheat quail]

ye I def felt like it was an easier fight lol

oops missclick reply

[unreal isle]

I hate her the most ngl

[calm sorrel]

Haven’t tried ||rival cerb or Prometheus|| yet but gotta say I’m scared lmao

[unreal isle]

Prometheus is easy as hell, Cerberus is definitely annoying

[wheat quail]

just dont greed ||prometheus|| and its a lot easier can ||kite away, youll know when you get there||

[wheat quail]

||all those blue hearts in p2 LOL so goddamn many, thank god for multi hit sprints/casts||

[thin laurel]

I find ||rivals|| prom a bit harder than cerb personally, at least with frenzy turned on. ||cerb took a while to get used to but feels pretty doable at this point, but prom can catch me off guard now and then and combo me||

[wheat quail]

real

[thin laurel]

me spamming the dash button while being punched by 7 consecutive balls of fire... sigh. many such cases

[soft solar]

why is eris tryna rizz me rn

[wheat quail]

which god makes your casts expire quicker? I forgot

[dusty ferry]

If y'all had to beat Hades 2 with one of the Infernal Arms, with a specific aspect, top and bottom with a fear level difficult for you, which weapon would you pick?

Without much thought it could only be ||Beowulf|| for me

[thin laurel]

hermes!

[wintry mantle]

i face tanked typhon because i knew he couldnt kill me and it was quite amusing

[thin laurel]

zeus shield lol
I like playing bow better but zeus shield is both strong and safe

also if we got h2 boons with h1 weapons then putting scorch or splash + static shock on that thing would go crazy hard with like.... zero effort. just drop it on typhon and dodge forever

[hearty fog]

||Aspect of Lucifer. See what Eris thinks.||

[dusty ferry]

Taking into account Boons, I wonder what ||Excalibur|| would be like with Apollo, probably just the moonstone with more defence tbh, but I dunno the healing from Ares could make it even more fun

[thin laurel]

bone hydra and champions with hitch would be fun, too...

[covert badge]

hera bow

wait no its medea

[glass condor]

How does metallic droplet work. Is it 200secs per encounter?

[thin laurel]

total, but the timer will pause during certain things
you take it for the last region usually since it's the shortest

[sour flower]

it starts a 200 second timer as soon as the first encounter begins (after equipping it, or if you start with it)

[glass condor]

Ah i gotcha ty ill try to level it sometime

[sour flower]

yea i love taking it for last region

[thorn badge]

i want hera bow back so bad

[thin laurel]

Hera bow that drops a Mel cast at the end...

[thorn badge]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-let-him-cook-cook-cooking-breaking-bad-gif-27522167

[wheat quail]

ngl the only weapon I just absolute despise is black coat, every other weapon has aspects I LOVE to play with... but black coat holy cow do I HATE using all aspects

[thin laurel]

oh actually you know what I miss most from h1?
seeing dionysius often... hangover builds.... idc if they were even that good, I just like him being around. being able to have more than one boon from dio and artemis would be so nice
(athena too ig but ngl once source of deflect is enough for me, sorry athena I miss you the least)

[buoyant matrix]

zag shield or zeus shield

[sour flower]

any specific reasons why? also curious whats ur favorite aspect (of any weapon)

[wheat quail]

the flow of the combat is just not clicking for them at all, even after beating a run at least one of each aspect, a few with nyx and shiva. just feels so sluggish to me and hard to get going on mobile single targets

[thin laurel]

the only part of coat I genuinely dislike is non-shiva Ω attack I think 🤷 I like nyx-type gameplay and I like Ω special spam just fine

[calm sorrel]

But missile spam tho

[thin laurel]

(also ty hades 2 for making me learn that option + z is Ω on mac keyboards lol, I will remember it for the rest of my life from typing it 500 times in #h2-feedback no idea if it works on other computers, there's prob an equivalent)

[wheat quail]

the shiva omega attack... do you have to wait till it fills for the most optimal damage? or nah

the missiles never hit what I want

I hate hate hate hate hate how they purposely fire from behind to hit something in front of you and the hammer to "make them more accurate" still feels awful to me lol

[thin laurel]

@nova oar do you want to advertise + explain shiva gameplay to a nonbeliever rq
(I could answer this but I haven't played it as much)

my impression is that yes charging longer = more damage, but it does so much damage that a short charge vs smaller enemies is often fine. + it's mobile unlike the normal coat Ω atk, which makes it more fun to me and also makes it feel safer to engage

[limpid stream]

Nooo I almost did it I was so close I made it to him nooooooooooo

[nova oar]

Depends on what you're fighting, against bosses, go for as much charge as possible, normal enemies, minimal charge

[nova oar]

The shiva specials?

[wheat quail]

oh nah i was refering to the missle spam comment, non shiva

I feel like there is a way to play it, and I definitely am not playing it that way

minimal charge is helping though, in a run rn with shiva

[glacial spire]

is it just me or is blood spree busted compared to every other defensive boon

except if you're doing max heat cuz you can't heal

[crude dragon]

Not without some form of damage reduction, because there are normal attacks that hit for more than 40

[thin laurel]

yeah, on its own I'd prefer armor or snow queen to just guaranteed tank a hit, or weakness or something.
with weakness and other forms of damage reduction (and dodge chance) then it gets pretty good tho. just... you need to be able to survive at 40 health for it to do much

[teal zephyr]

After getting steamrolled by rivals chronos, it was nice beating rivals Typhon first try lol

[thin laurel]

yeah, rivals really reverses the difficulty level of UW vs surface imo lol. Chronos, Scylla, and even Hecate are just... a lot to deal with compared to their surface counterparts

[crude dragon]

Thankfully, Rivals Chronos put you in the hyperbolic time chamber for Rivals Typhon's most dangerous addition

[teal zephyr]

it was still pretty difficult tbh, I just got really lucky on the build, I would have lost otherwise. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1383166531730673777/1424647058324983829/image.png?ex=68e4b577&is=68e363f7&hm=7a8bcfdd2b21c2a35f17facfc8f8ddcd35dc5ffa23749511dd6f661e6fe7b55c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1243&height=699

but yeah underworld rivals is a lot

[glacial spire]

I havent run pain 3 yet, im guessing even with weak + knuckle bones, most boss attacks probably hit >40 on pain 3

[plucky dew]

rivals ||dog ||the hardest boss in the game

[fringe raft]

i went against rivals hecate and immediately decided it wasn't for me

[sour flower]

i wish i could memory wipe myself and do rivals hecate for the first time again, such a cool fight

so intense and badass hecate is hands down my fav character

[glacial spire]

rivals hecate is not cool
the triple morph ball is so jank

[sour flower]

brooo when that morph ball split up my first time fighting her

dude the music the visuals the fight itself man. then it all comes together when i get her to her first invulnerability phase and she summons the witch shades, and she goes "See how powerful our sisters have become!" and just. chills. immediate chills. perfect fight 10/10 i went and bought 4 copies of the game immediately

[teal zephyr]

LOOOL so Chronos and Typhon don't need to be beaten for the prophecy? 🤣 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1383166531730673777/1424649665734770748/image.png?ex=68e4b7e5&is=68e36665&hm=3d43a5628cb7c814bfdc0bbedc6ca4f34d2aced10048e581a04a1f93850333b8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1243&height=699

[wheat quail]

thank god unlocked the knuckle bones prophecy

[unreal isle]

I've started to run into the morph ball as soon as it gets shot at me

since she doesn't attack until a few seconds after she shoots that morph

or I just bring frinos to body block it

[teal zephyr]

better that than failing to dodge when it splits tbh

[unreal isle]

especially since at that time the enemies are already spawning

[thin laurel]

hermes slow projectile speed/gusts + blinding rush makes it very easy to dodge lol, which can be cathartic after getting sheep'd one too many times
not exactly practical to aim for, but. still

[unreal isle]

yes the Hermes one definitely changes it, but its low-key not worth it outside of that

[ebon sigil]

Ugh. I got addicted. stayed up too late playing hades 2 three nights in a row

[sour flower]

me too, its actually unhealthy 😭

[woeful oriole]

surely this is bait

[buoyant matrix]

nah ever since 1.0 some people genuinely say that

[nova oar]

Some people genuinely say alot of things

[prisma monolith]

He's a literal wall, just gotta hit him hard fast enough

[plucky dew]

i wish, i just cant deal with that boss for some reason

[signal basalt]

I will say, even though rival sirens might be more of a bullet hole, they are slightly more telegraphed and intuitive. takes quite a bit to be able to tell what da dawg doin

[plucky dew]

all others are fine

[signal basalt]

and he can be more punishing with higher damage so I can see the argument for it

[limpid stream]

For awhile during EA I kept saying I liked H1 more but…H2 is winning me over

[thin laurel]

it's definitely my favorite in terms of gameplay and music, which I lowkey didn't think was possible after how much I liked H1 lol

[nova oar]

Gameplay is better, story and music is worse

[thin laurel]

I like some h1 music better but h2 has so much variety... it's ultimately subjective tho. I find most h2 boss themes more memorable than h1 boss themes for instance, but that's just my taste

[nova oar]

I still play both games no audio so 🤷‍♀️

[limpid stream]

Anyone else never use magick?

[merry whale]

h1 and h2 have overall different music styles, i like h2 for the variety personally

[merry whale]

yea most weapons just have really bad omegas LOL

[nova oar]

Not really, would recommend using it in more builds

[sour flower]

really? i love omega builds on most weapons

[thin laurel]

depends on the weapon, but I like magick builds more in almost every case

[sour flower]

i do 50/50 omega builds and builds without it

[covert badge]

i love torches and they use a lot of magick

[merry whale]

ok i was prob exaggerating lol i've been playing staff for the past few days so i'm used to not using omegas, but yea most weps do have good magick use cases

[sour flower]

i play moros torches with no omega moves

[limpid stream]

I think I’ve done maybe 2 runs where I made heavy the of magick

[thin laurel]

yeah torches are my favorite weapon type lol, and with torches it's uh... not really optional, except for the hidden aspect I guess.
for staff I don't use magick much on Mel staff but I'd hate Anubis without omegas, and obv Momus needs them to function. Circe it's 50/50 for me

[limpid stream]

I use base spear

[thin laurel]

do you mean staff...?

[nova oar]

You're an outlier i'm not counting you

[limpid stream]

Yeah my b

[covert badge]

mel staff doesnt need a lot of o moves tbh, just pick the right setup for it

[nova oar]

Circe is probably the best off without omegas

Does noone else play mel ospecial builds

[merry whale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-follow-me-gif-4273618567139914195 (keep forgetting embeds are disabled in here)

[sour flower]

omega attack spam on mel staff is so fun, even when i try not to use it i find myself gravitating towards it

its the most satisfying omega in the game for me

[merry whale]

ye oatk staff is super fun

[thin laurel]

I don't play Mel Staff very much at all tbh!
I have some early game clears with it and one 40 fear clear with just dash strike + special combos popping blitz. what do you recommend for o-spec builds in terms of boons?

[nova oar]

Aphro special, go for omega buffs and any hammers that buff the special