h2-discussion

[vernal carbon]

I... survived?? well...

that is always such a cool feeling. when you go high risk, just skirt the edge, and then you're suddenly looking at a broken build.

[limpid oar]

it's an even cooler feeling when you make it past Hecate with 1 health and die in Oceanus before Athena can spawn to save you

[acoustic ruin]

thats how i feel after losing every DD vs rivals scylla and surviving on 1 hp and athena just not spawning 😔

[orchid acorn]

is he? hes certainly not the easiest but i'd rather fight him than heph or hera

[buoyant matrix]

it's up there with heph and hera and apollo

he's my weakest among the bunch

[limpid oar]

I lost a 62f because when she spawned in fields like that she just didn't give me the dd refill

[limpid oar]

heph and apollo are considered hard?

I only struggle in the Heph one if I got anvil ring because I confuse it for the thingies I'm meant to avoid

[elfin forge]

so why exactly wouldnt athena just insta kill typhoon instead of us?

even prometheus avoids her so it must be easier

woudnt it make more sense for us coming from a different land to help maybe with the fodder instead of fighting the main baddy?

[orchid acorn]

i don't like fighting heph cause of the VERY short delay between appearance > ding

it always spawns on you so you need to constnatly move

apollo at least has some delay and variation you can kinda trick its placement with

but heph is just constant dingdingdingdin

[lofty vale]

I am assuming there is some kinda narrative reason for that when we enter the palace of the gods in 1.0 but there is no actual explanation for why all the gods just don't fight Typhon with Mell all at once rn

it's just so we, the players, can fight him

[lost wing]

I have it on 1 setup just as a "I have a point leftover, why not" pick

[elfin forge]

that makes for a weak story if they dont fix it in 1.0

[orchid acorn]

im pretty sure thats already stated in the gmae

[lost wing]

they're dealing with other parts of Typhon

[lofty vale]

Must have missed it then, what's the reason

[orchid acorn]

don't remember exactly what, but i swear there is already narrative reasons for them not coming out

[elfin forge]

the only thing i remember is that they are busy with fodder lol

[lofty vale]

Surely there are more gods then Typhon limbs

[limpid oar]

isnt melinoe the only one able to actually fight chronos because of her time powers? istg im not making that up

[lost wing]

haaaave you met Typhon?

[elfin forge]

dude we literally solo him thats no excuse

[lofty vale]

We absolutely mog the tail and the eye as Mel, they could've been done with the other limbs and get to the top

[acoustic ruin]

but thats because we are ~special~

[limpid oar]

we also happen to be the only person chronos cant just time cube, meli is in a unique position comapred to the gods

[lost wing]

in-universe, our ability to beat Typhon is greatly aided by the other gods dealing with the other parts of Typhon off-screen

[orchid acorn]

Well met indeed, Melinoë. The wretched Titan's armies have infiltrated our most sacred grounds. On them, your wrath may be well-spent; especially as you rise towards the summit, where most of our family now takes refuge."

Melinoë : "The Palace of Zeus. And what of you, why aren't the others out here fighting by your side?"

Athena: "Because that is precisely what our strategy requires, for they aided your arrival, did they not? Now, let us go our separate ways, and may my blessing aid in your ascent."

[elfin forge]

that was never been stated though, almost brushed off, besides the olympians fought him before

[orchid acorn]

yes it has?

[limpid oar]

ah right its kaser being at it again, im not engaging anymore

[orchid acorn]

Chronos : "You have considerable power over Time, that you can turn some of my innate power against me! Perhaps your knack for this is merely a recessive family trait."

[elfin forge]

cant they aid themselves then instead of relying on us coming from a far?

[orchid acorn]

Chronos : "Why, because they opposed me. Except you have this rather vexing knack for resisting some of my time-honored techniques... a recessive family trait, perhaps. Although, your brother... he was not so fortunate. You, too, shall break, however... soon enough."

[acoustic ruin]

if they aid themselves you got no hades 2 bud

[elfin forge]

thats my point, that makes for a weak story

[lost wing]

pull themselves up by their bootstraps logic right there

[acoustic ruin]

"if this and that would happen the story is weak" is such a dead pan argument

[elfin forge]

i get it, for going underworld this makes sense but on the summit

[acoustic ruin]

you can literally do that for every story 🤦🏻‍♂️

[orchid acorn]

rivals shows that he can show up at literally any moment

[elfin forge]

no, her having resistance to his magic of time is good argument for the underworld, but fighting typhoon the whole family relies on your aid doesnt make sense

[marsh spear]

The Palace is their base and vantage point.
They cannot risk have less defense.
They already have Athena, Hermes, Artemis scouting and Dio MIA.
They probably can't afford less manpower.

If the palace falls, they lose the war

[elfin forge]

yes sure, but his effects are not indifinite like going underworld so surely 5 olympians can deal with his aid against typhoon

[lost wing]

you have yet to give a good reason why for this claim. on nights you fail it's not as if Olympus is destroyed. they manage to hold their position. you just help tip the scales that final bit

[elfin forge]

true, but weve seen athena insta kill everyything in her path, even promethues is scared of her

[limpid oar]

hades 1 sucks because || hades and persephone could've just reached out to each other sooner, so zag was useless ||

[acoustic ruin]

Zeus, hades and poseidon barely won vs chronos together with other gods and were only capable of sealing the guy in 10000 parts 💀 i guess their fear is grounded for him to show up randomly

[marsh spear]

Typhon is much greater

[elfin forge]

i thought you were out?, anyway the h1 story makes sense since its a relationship issue, happens all the time,

[elfin forge]

so mel > athena? i dont think so

[acoustic ruin]

?!??!?!?!? relationship is fine but maybe defending the olymp vs other foes next to typhon is not 💀 m8 your bait gets weaker with every message

[buoyant matrix]

I'm starting to think kaser is just a ragebaiter

we have this conversation once every week

[lost wing]

kaser needs a better, healthier way in their life to get the attention they desire

[elfin forge]

reason for defending your castle> thinking your other SO doesnt like you anymore

all am seeing is people who lack critical thinking, i like my story without plotholes

[buoyant matrix]

the story is a side thing for me anyway I'm here to push fear

[elfin forge]

so lets sum this, all olympians are busy with fodder and afraid of chronos showing up so they leave it for the last line of defense wher hopefully mel appears before that

[limpid oar]

guys why do you still see that the person has been sending messages when you ignore someone, discord fix your app pls

[acoustic ruin]

reason for defending your castle> thinking your other SO doesnt like you anymore + i thought you were out?, anyway the h1 story makes sense since its a relationship issue, happens all the time,

those 2 are literally the opposite of each other 💀

[marsh spear]

Kaser i think you're being a bit obtuse here

[elfin forge]

people are mad for discussing the story in a story discussion channel

go figure

[marsh spear]

.. sure

Anyway, lemme sum up

[elfin forge]

elaborate

[acoustic ruin]

we aint mad about discussing it but you going left and right with your arguments is

[marsh spear]

No

[elfin forge]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-ragnarok-odin-no-kratos-god-of-war-gif-27131911

[lost wing]

#h2-story-discussion exists incidentally

[marsh spear]

As I understand it, no single god can singlehandedly deal with Typhon (even of canonically Zeus and Athena 2v1'd his arse).
However this time they're also besieged from all sides, and constantly attacked, so they can't focus on a general (Typhon) without weakening defenses.

The Palace is paramount and cannot be undefended.

They have deployed as many gods as they can spare (🛡️ 🏹 🪽 🍷).

Mel allows them to channel their power in a pincer attack to relax the situation, bit it's an ebb and flow situation.

They can't attack Chronos because the can't sens forces downward.

They can't attack Prom because he sees the future.

Mel fights Prom because he has ulterior motives.

And personally this is all said explicitly and is obvious

[buoyant matrix]

dionysus wasn't "deployed" bro he's just slacking off 😂

[marsh spear]

BRO YOU GET ME HE'S NOT THERE

He is deploying wine

[buoyant matrix]

"all units be advised tactical beer is being deployed, over"

[lost wing]

which is why putting this much effort into talking to a troll is wild

[marsh spear]

I was bored in public transport

[lost wing]

hah, fair

[marsh spear]

Any way if they respond with antics again I'm blocking

Lol jk unless

[orchid acorn]

blocking people is crazy work 😔

[acoustic ruin]

only cause you know how it feels

[marsh spear]

Lmao

[acoustic ruin]

to be blocked i mean

[orchid acorn]

unless someone is actually targeted harassing you or a spambot i think blocking is stupid

[elfin forge]

all points were obvious except for one, they couldnt channel their power into one of theirs

[marsh spear]

It is

[orchid acorn]

blocking someone just cause they are stupid is just dumb

[lost wing]

it's like, what, 2-3 clicks? super easy

[marsh spear]

I was kidding Pronto

[orchid acorn]

its not that its hard work

[acoustic ruin]

im stupid enough myself for my subjective self, cant add more onto that

[frank mulch]

sometimes i go on my websites to look at my fanarts of my characters and someone says something i disagree with so i block them. and so we never see each other or even know each other to begin with life is so beautiful

[haughty hill]

Listen I need you to appreciate how much restraint it is taking to not go for the mean low-hanging fruit here-

[orchid acorn]

ig. I just find it weird to block someone just cause they are stupid. can't do that in real life but you can just disengage.

Blocking for someone hurling insults at you or being spambot with phishing links or anything actually bad yeah sure.

but blocking cause someone says some dumb stuff you don't want to hear is questionable back on yourself imo

[frank mulch]

anyway if you disagree with someone you can totally block/ignore and move on, and be kind to people bc the person youre talking to is just as real behind the screen as you

https://tenor.com/view/xfiles-mulder-computer-gif-4816027

[orchid acorn]

disgreeing shouldn't result in a block that just makes an echo chamber 🤷‍♂️

[tranquil wren]

how do I know you're real

[acoustic ruin]

blocking is a form of disengage tho

[elfin forge]

i guess criticizing a fans religion makes them mad they call you all kinds of things

[frank mulch]

🕵️ you saw mothing

[marsh spear]

I think there's a difference between disagreement and fruitless conversation

[orchid acorn]

brings up too many memories of people on twitter who just block cause someone fact checks them or comments on something stupid they did

always liked seeing those two panel pictures on reddit

[lost wing]

we all have finite time. it's great to cut out nonsense when we can

[haughty hill]

Feel like you are perhaps eliding the 'deliberate troll' part there Pronto

[marsh spear]

What?

[orchid acorn]

post ssomething dumb
person responds
you are blocked from seeing this person

[tranquil wren]

well twitter is just awful, 10x worse since musk took over

[orchid acorn]

our religion is hades

[acoustic ruin]

you missed a 0 there

[tranquil wren]

true

[orchid acorn]

i mean i roll that into either targeted harassment or spambot

either they are trolling you specifically, so its targeted
or they are functionally a spambot by joining aserver with the sole purposeto troll

[marsh spear]

I can't believe my joke shifted conversations. I have powers

[haughty hill]

But yeah prokopetz blocked me on bluesky once for the most softballed disagreement possible I do think people need to maybe be a lil more thick skinned

[acoustic ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/hands-on-fire-hot-hands-insane-fingers-what-did-i-just-do-fast-fingers-gif-23418114

[buoyant matrix]

whose that

[haughty hill]

Tumblr microceleb

[lost wing]

eh, no one owes anyone else listening to or reading their stuff. if that person wants to do it, they can

[orchid acorn]

but in the case of kaser just being stupid i don't really think he is like intentionally doing dumb stuff i think he just has a solid opinion in his mind and defneds it. not really a blockable offense but htats just me

i didnt like check his history to see if hes only doing this os maybe im wrong

[haughty hill]

I'd be less sour if he didn't present himself as a worldly guy who welcomes disagreement. Also if I wasn't sure he blocked me and everyone else who disagreed with him on that post because then it might look like he can be wrong and he can't have that.

[marsh spear]

Omgosh proto I wasn't serious

[frank mulch]

well its not dumb sometimes you just dont wanna see it? and if you clearly dont wanna see it, theres no point in not blocking and then just getting pissed, its only hurting you not the random person you dont know who youre discussing something with on the internet
idk if i go on the website and someone is like btw i think this so-and-so character would wear dresses. and im like what the frick i think this character would never NEVER dresses only shirt and a skirt. i block them its not that serious i just dont wanna see it

[haughty hill]

But enough about my gripes with a random internet guy

[elfin forge]

you clearly didnt read the messages, half of them pretend they understand the story of the game

they say they will ignore me then reply later making the discussion chaotic

[marsh spear]

pretend?

[acoustic ruin]

we pretend as much as you do 💀

[elfin forge]

im fine with discussing with one person if he knows his stuff

[orchid acorn]

i guess thats just different ways to engage with the content. Like when i browse fanfics i ignore threads cause im not interested in the premise and dont' want to see it pop up again but its different from blocking like an entire person yknow

[vernal carbon]

I thought they patched it so that you can't get frozen during Chronos red one shot? like, one of the hourglass enemies was standing in the safe space. Also, I still don't understand the light-dark one-shot. do I stand in the lit area or the dark area? I feel like that's not at all clear.

[orchid acorn]

when did you think that got patched?

[frank mulch]

but this point is stop calling people dumb or stupid because they have a different view than you, just block or ignore. and if youre not blocking or ignoring, stop engaging...

[lost wing]

light area

[haughty hill]

I think he's overplayed his hand a bit a few times in this regard I don't buy this. They might be his actual opinions but he's definitely deliberately framing them and making arguments so as to rile people up as a primary purpose.

[elfin forge]

btw isnt calling me stupid a form of harassment?

[vernal carbon]

I thought it was one of the first patches, like last year. because they were like, oh, that's literally unavoidable, that doesn't seem fair if that happens.

[frank mulch]

and if you think someone is trolling or ragebaiting dont take the bait, and if not, give the benefit of the doubt and be nice to yourself and the other person

[haughty hill]

Posts like this are what I mean, thank you for the example Kaser

[marsh spear]

Did you even read my answer? Because that was the last message in the conversation you started

[buoyant matrix]

games tend to follow a simple rule of
dark = bad
light = good

[frank mulch]

its not harassments but its rude as hell so in case my messages were not clear, cut it out. and move on because youre getting off topic about the video game or even opinions about the video game.

[marsh spear]

Opinions on the opinions on the game

[frank mulch]

so lets talk about like, now that theres no sundial in the house of hades how can they tell the time of day... or night....??

[vernal carbon]

unless the area is lit by a glow that represents an aoe telegraph. it's definitely gotten better since launch (or maybe I've just gotten more used to it), but I still wish they'd have stuck with one color for bad damage telegraphs and one color for friendly telegraphs, rather than stylizing it to match the enemy theme. oh well.

[acoustic ruin]

god-sense? like spidey senses maybe ?

[lost wing]

opinions on the form in which opinions are expressed about opinions on opinions on the story of the game

(reminder #h2-story-discussion exists)

[covert valve]

It's always 7 something somewhere....

[dire sand]

On the sgg server chat drama tier list this goes in F tier

[candid geode]

I don't mind i like the drama

[orchid acorn]

i dunno i would assume it would be pretty obvious to think the entire dark area taking up 95% of the field is the danger zone on a like 4 second delay before it explodes(at frenzy 0)

thats without assuming you don't notice the time theme of it specifically picking a time numeral to detonate

[candid geode]

I don't like to cook but I love stirring the pot

[frank mulch]

no what the hell. they can tell the time because he uh

[covert valve]

Medea?™

[orchid acorn]

also its fite the entire previous moveset theme of the glowing then explode part

[frank mulch]

you can tell him off

[orchid acorn]

professional instigator

[polar abyss]

Well Chronos probably can tell the time himself, so the “new residents” probably know what time it is. And for the actual residents… I guess they set their own circadian rhythm due to the circumstances.

[marsh spear]

I'm a Pot x Kettle shipper

[covert valve]

Read this Medea's voice and it somehow fits

[tranquil wren]

also once you get hit by that attack once you know what you're supposed to do anyway

[acoustic ruin]

but do dead people or gods need a circadian rythm

[tranquil wren]

at least, that was my case

[frank mulch]

thanks marshal my one and only fan

[marsh spear]

Isn't Erebus open to the Sky?
I guess the see the actual sun

[lost wing]

I think the other important tell is the part that isn't dark is the normal color. the dark is what gets added with the move being performed.

[polar abyss]

I mean I imagine they need some form of rest.

[lost wing]

huh?

[acoustic ruin]

+but does that have to be combined with something like our circadian rythm, or is it just some form of "used a lot of mental powers, gotta recharge" and a quick 2 min god nap and you are good

[covert valve]

No sleep to spare, it's all taken by Hypnos

[marsh spear]

Zeus: " im sorry Hera, sometimes i just have needs"
Flops into the floor and snores

[dire sand]

The gods don't rest they have to spend that time being angry at eachother

[frank mulch]

youre the only one who reacted with the laughing emoji to my bad joke sorry for being unclear

[marsh spear]

They live for the drama.
Like us!

[acoustic ruin]

A "god circadian rythm" could even be, be awake for 10k years, sleep for 6k or something like that

[frank mulch]

i need this

[dire sand]

Too many drama enjoyers here

[acoustic ruin]

why do you think social media is the way it is

[tranquil wren]

that reminds me of the percy jackson novel where Juno says she slept through the entire Byzantine empire

[lost wing]

ahh

[orchid acorn]

i wish i was the byzantine empire

[dire sand]

I don't think much about social media

[acoustic ruin]

fair

[marsh spear]

The best Civ civ that doesn't exist in our present world?

[marsh spear]

Your mental health says thanks

[dire sand]

Ye it do

[orchid acorn]

also chat it is so god damn cold in my office brb need to nuke my ac

[candid geode]

Zagreus never sleeping in his bed and using it for "other reasons"

Surprised he doesn't have bags under his eyes

Please take a nap my guy

[dire sand]

That's how he naps

[buoyant matrix]

he technically rests when traveling through river styx back to the house

[lost wing]

well there's your first problem, having a job that requires you going into the office on a Saturday

[acoustic ruin]

but his nap time isnt for another 35k years 😔

[candid geode]

Technically he's napping rn

If the theory that he is stuck in time jail is true

[orchid acorn]

we love federal regulations that locations must be staffed 24/7

[acoustic ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-america-patriotic-yee-yee-eagle-gif-4391042467175406985

[polar abyss]

Oh, what do you think is going on in each person’s time cube?

[candid geode]

Like a dream thingy

[orchid acorn]

nothing

[candid geode]

Ok-

[haughty hill]

Will mel be able to sit down in 1.0

[dire sand]

Does the time cube go in the square hole

[acoustic ruin]

either dead pan, nothing like cubed and awake the next second, or their "ideal" world so they dont try to fight the cube

[orchid acorn]

zag is mid dash animation and is going to hit mel with the nastiest dash attack combo when we free him cause he still think he is attacking chronos

[candid geode]

WILL MEL EVER SLEEP IN HER LITTLE SLEEPING BAG

[candid geode]

Or it could be a luigi's mansion thingy

[buoyant matrix]

they're stuck in a moment that will never pass, if they become free it'll be as if they instantly traveled years into the future

[tranquil wren]

it goes in the tesseract-shaped hole

[polar abyss]

Theory: She tries to, but because she isn’t used to sitting, she instead falls in the pool.

[candid geode]

Where they are stuck in paintings, considering all the "decor" Chronos put around Tartarus and the House of Hades

[dire sand]

But dont tesseracts go in the square hole

[buoyant matrix]

it's no longer a cube unfortunately

[candid geode]

plot twist: zagreus is the rat we fight in Oceanus

[acoustic ruin]

those go into the glove

[tranquil wren]

the uh oh

[candid geode]

Why is that rat there anyway

[haughty hill]

Why not

[dire sand]

https://tenor.com/view/the-square-hole-square-hole-shapes-piklas-gif-24625312

[orchid acorn]

yeah why NOT

[acoustic ruin]

to torment our eyes trying to see the guy and not just the red outline 😔

[candid geode]

I JUST WANNA KNOW HOW A RAT GOT INTO OCEANUS

Dude can be literally anywhere else
He in da sewer world

[lost wing]

https://tenor.com/view/the-square-hole-square-hole-shapes-piklas-gif-24625312

[acoustic ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/running-gif-5992539891594447304

[orchid acorn]

its basically a big sewer. rats are in sewer

[dire sand]

Unclean

[orchid acorn]

where is uhoh in hades 1 anyway i forgot

[candid geode]

If it was a gator I would understand

[dire sand]

The gator carried a rat

[orchid acorn]

its not styx right

[candid geode]

Chthonic gator

[acoustic ruin]

we dont have gators in our european sewers, but we do got rats

[candid geode]

You're missing out

[orchid acorn]

tutorial area vs the dlc

[dire sand]

Damn I didnt know all of europe had the same sewers

[lost wing]

it is

[dire sand]

Europe also goes into the square hole

[orchid acorn]

[acoustic ruin]

depends, if it is a darksouls tutorial area, the gator would be present

[candid geode]

Speaking of animals i think it's funny that in the rivals trial that the sheep with Polyamorous are poisonus and try to bite us

Feral sheep

[acoustic ruin]

he also got a black sheep in the normal fight that dmg's you

[tranquil wren]

the sheep should know mel would never eat them 😔

[candid geode]

https://tenor.com/view/sheep-push-ram-gif-11306051

Its for the love of the game, no offense Mel

[dire sand]

Deserved I think

[candid geode]

I like the dialogue between medea and poly, they vibe on the same wavelength

[acoustic ruin]

i wish we could defeat him like they do in the percey jackson books tho, make a fake bride and him letting us go would make a fun achievement

[orchid acorn]

thats the hidden patch you gotta download on other sites.

[tranquil wren]

lol

[polar abyss]

Why make a fake bride for Polyphemus when there’s one existing right next door?

Although to be fair, she’s not had the best time with her last relationship…

[orchid acorn]

its like hades 1 with on the 10th dad win where he just gives up

occasionally w rivals poly you just show up and neither of them are there

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[acoustic ruin]

just a poisoned sheep fighting you 💀

[orchid acorn]

next run they apologize for missing you

[polar abyss]

“Apologies sorceress, Lord Polyphemus and I were busy running some… experiments.”

[orchid acorn]

do we get disheveled medea art

[acoustic ruin]

on the topic of her i really hope 1.0 gives her sprite another quality pass 💀 she feels so unpolished compared to other characters

[orchid acorn]

i think echos is mid too

[acoustic ruin]

ye

[orchid acorn]

i liked the WIP one more than the finished

also i guess we can talk about it now since they went a different direction but i liked the previous narc art too...

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/d/d0/Narcissus_WIP.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20240607215521
this was actually kinda peak

[acoustic ruin]

i like the scales he got but i dont quite like the face everything else is fine

[orchid acorn]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/c/c4/Portraits_Narcissus_01.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20250617184448
this is just eh

[acoustic ruin]

specifically i dont like the "pouting" he does

[lost wing]

https://imgur.com/a/SXHeUho

[acoustic ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/oaky-okay-ok-meme-typo-oakley-gif-1135585561201001219

[polar abyss]

Ok, actually though… the surface NPC’s only get 1 artwork bit…

Actually, the only surface character I can think of that has more than 1 artwork made is Eris.

[orchid acorn]

arachne doesn't even have animations bro

maybe they're saving her qol for human 1.0 🙏

[polar abyss]

At-least she has something though

[orchid acorn]

mf is just a png of a spider

[candid geode]

aYO-

[candid geode]

https://share.google/images/2EPDl314pgDtyKpd4

[limpid oar]

Chat i just timed out before even reaching Hecate, are we saving this?

[buoyant matrix]

reset go next

[polar abyss]

Maybe

[limpid oar]

Nah died in second phase 🙁

[candid geode]

skill issue

[limpid oar]

The timer damage really adds up when you're like 40 seconds past the timer

[buoyant matrix]

i am still a passionate hater of hecate

[acoustic ruin]

rival hecate? sure, normal? no

[candid geode]

you mean the fights, right?

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[candid geode]

Ya I agree

[limpid oar]

I like the fight, I'd rather they nerf timer than the fight itself

[candid geode]

Rival Hecate she just gangs up on me while I'm mid Chaos boon and I'm yelling at the ref to do something

[limpid oar]

skill issue

[orchid acorn]

🤤

[polar abyss]

Nerf the vow? Or reduce the number of rooms in Erebus? Or reduce the number of 3 waves?

[candid geode]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-press-close-staredown-train-gif-22975756

[limpid oar]

Yes

[orchid acorn]

strong disagree because i don't really see how you do that

without heavy handed measures

[limpid oar]

Dtb just gave 3 of them

[orchid acorn]

yes and all3 are nukes

[limpid oar]

Nah they're all sick

[polar abyss]

Pronto, you are basically required to take 3 room skips at 62 Fear, and even then you can still time out with bad RNG.

[limpid oar]

Like just cutting a room off Erebus is okay

[orchid acorn]

Nerf the vow i assume you're talking about the timer vow, and the timer ISNT' AN ISSUE outside of erebus

Its literally run out of room> extra time for the rest of the run until the final chronos phase which can cut it close

Cutting a room of erebus absolutely is not ok

[polar abyss]

Why?

[orchid acorn]

cause i guarantee you it'll be a major reward room and it just ends up worse cause now you are risking getting mid shop + arachne at the same time even more

[limpid oar]

There's no region in the underworld I haven't timed out in multiple times

[orchid acorn]

at the absolute most i might support shifting a room from erebus to oceanus so the total rooms are still the same

cause its kinda disgusting oceanus can be entirely skipped

even if it takes monumental rng to do so

but just raw cutting a room off erebus is something i am extremely against

[limpid oar]

I wouldn't mind that at all

[orchid acorn]

my fear of hippos makes me hesitant but i can at least justify it in my mind

[limpid oar]

Hippos spawn in Erebus too so it's not gonna be a big deal

[polar abyss]

I’d rather shift UW balance to enemy attacks than timer. Like… maybe making Jetty better, or perhaps adding some other challenge in Fields, because that region is literally just a few tiny encounters scattered across a wide open area, Echo, and the shop. Then it’s Cerberus and to Tartarus.

[orchid acorn]

i'd personally start by combining the invuln phases from hecate to a single phase and see what that does

instead of two phases 66% 33% just one 50% + hex invuln phase with like 12 witches spawned

[limpid oar]

Ehhhhh that phase would be too nasty if you roll a strong hex coming from Hecate

[orchid acorn]

can just scale the witches down i just threw out what seemed like combining both witch counts

i think its 4 witches 66% and 8 phase 2 but it might be 6

[polar abyss]

What if instead the Witches spawned immediately in both phases to reduce time issues?

[limpid oar]

For first intermission this would be great, doing this in the second makes you more likely to take tons of damage if you try avoiding the sheep

[orchid acorn]

i don't think this saves that much time does it?

like its 3~ seconds which is helpful but not as much as cutting the entire phase

[polar abyss]

I mean you get to immediately start cutting down on the witches, whereas right now, it may take you even more seconds because you are also displaced by the hex

[limpid oar]

It would give a guaranteed free window to wail at them during the wind up to first hex in first intermission, that's about it

[orchid acorn]

which you can do anyway assuming you instantly attack currently, again its like 3 seconds saved phase 1

phase 2 it gets more scary but its better assuming you can frinos/night bloom etc the morph away

[polar abyss]

I figured to give that idea, because current Hecate has two phases, and that would weird to remove a whole phase in Rivals.

[orchid acorn]

not much overall time saved

[orchid acorn]

they've done it with other bosses

[limpid oar]

In these 3 seconds hex projectiles will already be out, so you won't be able to aoe the witches as easily

[polar abyss]

Who?

[orchid acorn]

eris

[polar abyss]

Rival doesn’t have the same number of invulnerability phases as normal?

[orchid acorn]

reg eris used to go invuln and nuke herself more yes

[limpid oar]

The idea of one harder intermission is intriguing, but it would require a bit more thought than just "spawn witches from both phases at once"

[polar abyss]

Well there’s a difference then. How many phases does Current Normal and Rival Eris have?

[orchid acorn]

patch 6

· Eris: reduced number of phases; improved feedback on where she is aiming with some Rail attacks; reduced duration of her temporary damage bonus

i wanna say it was like 6 phases before, now i think its either 4-5. I don't remember if they removed 2 or 1

[limpid oar]

Pronto actually is onto something with that one harder intermission idea, it could make rivals feels even more distinct

[orchid acorn]

they also sorta did it with other bosses including hecate by reducing her invuln timer already

[orchid acorn]

yeah screw it make hecate the hardest boss. the hex starts at 50% and never stops

constant lunar ray

[polar abyss]

So a permanent Lunar Ray that moves around the arena… yuck.

[orchid acorn]

kaizo hades 2

hecate starts with total eclipse at the start of the fight constantly falling like a family dispute

[limpid oar]

Well keeping it after the intermission would be overkill, but also the fact that final phase (Hecate has a harder moveset in her last phase) starts sooner would make the fight harder as it is

[orchid acorn]

66% phase does the lunar ray constantly spinning

[polar abyss]

Actually, wait. I have a new idea. What if at 75% and 25% as a combo breaker, Hecate spawns witches without going into invincibility?

She still would do Phase 1 stuff, but just witches are there also

[orchid acorn]

combo breakers are gated by phases themselves not hp gates

[polar abyss]

Oh.

[orchid acorn]

but i mean im not against more witches

maybe more witches but if you kill them all it doesn't let hecate do her hex and instantly starts phase 2/3 after like 1 s of invuln?

[limpid oar]

I think 3 hecates at all time + witches would get a tad too bullet-hellish

[orchid acorn]

then again you'd have to dodge the morph+ hecate lmao

[polar abyss]

The other thing, is I feel like Dark Side is used so much. What if below 50%, she could use her different hexes?

[orchid acorn]

i think she should permanently be in dark side tbh

[limpid oar]

That'd be boring tbh

Unless with that change they diversified the dark side moveset

[bright torrent]

is there a list or something with all currently available bonds?

[orchid acorn]

idk going back to erebus as a whole i only really see two solutions i'd be happy with reading

1- guaranteeing different NPC rooms. This can be achieved by having arachne replace a minor resource room(and expanding her to be room 2 after intro room by chance) instead of a major and then forcing shop to not spawn next to arachne and vice versa

[orchid acorn]

all 4 romances
ares selene heracles chaos dora uhhhh

narc

those are the 10 possible bonds

[bright torrent]

ok so I guess I have all except icarus... thanks

[marsh spear]

I want to romance Heracles

But not as Mel

As myself

[bright torrent]

do it

[verbal rampart]

Why does everybody likes violent men

[tall bridge]

Does anyone play on kbm, can you tell me your keybind or what you do to avoid hurting your hands

[hearty idol]

wasd move, space dodge, m1 quick attack, m2 heavy atk, m3 cast, shift Hex

[tall bridge]

tysm

[orchid acorn]

the normal keybinds?

only thing i changed was swapping cast and special on steam deck controller

but for kbm all the controls feel natural

[acoustic ruin]

well digital violent men you can "date" without real life consequences the other way around is kind of stressful i would say

[buoyant matrix]

the way you sit and the height of the table is important for avoiding wrist pain

my keybinds are all default except the following
cast on side mouse button, interact on mouse wheel down, auto sprint on

[marsh spear]

Interact on wheel is crazy

I do have cast on mouse thumb (m4)

[fading knoll]

I think my controls are just completely default lol

[marsh spear]

I played through all Hades 1 with special on q.
Here with cast it just doesn't feel right

[buoyant matrix]

it lets you interact with doors and room clear rewards faster

also not having to move my left hand to E helps with wrist pain

[orchid acorn]

why is your left hand moving to e

e is right next to w which you should be placed naturally for anyway

its like the slightest twitch for the index or middle

not a move like going to H or something

[fathom lake]

5 Days 🗣️ 🎸

[orchid acorn]

5 days 2 hours 11 minutes

[mossy tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/boi-heavy-tf2-jump-smile-gif-15941045

[marsh spear]

Ikik it's crazy in how obviously better it is. Never even considered it

[orchid acorn]

damn some idiot kicked the mod nest in tech support

never seen so many get active in typing

[marsh spear]

It feels awkward sometimes when activating zeus gain when moving

[marsh spear]

Huuuh??

[orchid acorn]

o7

[buoyant matrix]

bro got the firing squad on him

[orchid acorn]

literally AD sparrow every mod just starting typing 😭

[buoyant matrix]

yeah i noticed it from one of angelic's h1 vods, tried it and liked it

the first few runs are really awkward though 😛

[frank mulch]

dude the other day there was like a real Discussion over here and someone pointed out that its only like that bc mods arent here and then i was typing nonsense for a very long time so itll show im typing and Around

and no one noticed... no one said a thing........

the intimidation tactic failed

[buoyant matrix]

i know you're always stalking us from the shadows ad, don't worry 👍

[orchid acorn]

i saw you typing and was debating commenting about it

cause it went on for like 5 minutes of on off "ad is typing....."

[frank mulch]

yeah i even paused for the drama

all for naught.....

[orchid acorn]

i was like "we're about to get nuked" 😭

[frank mulch]

💥 💥 💥

[orchid acorn]

honestly at a certain point i was more interested in what the essay was going to be

[frank mulch]

it was kinda like ahufsghdkk gjidfigkda ejeueheueuue haaijjshfk aieoseisoifjsdmnnenenwjehh auuauhhsjjueueunc ajhalsd fmtuusdnndfjgh s

but i was on my phone so there was a lot of autocorrect nonsense in there

[orchid acorn]

had me sitting there like https://imgur.com/DlRuSNS

chat what do you think the final splash art main menu screen for hades 2 will be

i really liked the initial EA one with the sister blades

but i don't think it'll get reused

[buoyant matrix]

probably blurred chronos menacingly standing in the background

like h1 basically

[orchid acorn]

the dark chronos pre reveal?

idk i think it ruins a bit of the reveal if hes on the cover

not that its like. a big spoiler

[buoyant matrix]

no no, it was VERY blurred

you won't even know it's him unless you've seen him already

[orchid acorn]

yes but you see chronos literally run 2

assuming you don't like ball out and win/meet him run 1 anyway

i do hope they add in rotating splash arts of all the EA updates

they never did do that for h1

[pallid cradle]

Your average Hades 2 player probably isn't even gonna see fields on run 1.

[orchid acorn]

exactly, which is why its very quick to see chronos within the first 5 runs more or less.

granted assuming you beat hecate like 4 times its revealed to be chronos anyway

but idk maybe im just having trouble picturing the image in my mind and don't like it off what i do make 😭

[buoyant matrix]

people are NOT beating the sirens on first run

[pallid cradle]

That's why I said fields.

[indigo cypress]

Lowkey I don't even think they expect you to make it past Hecate

Bc Eris doesn't get a proper introduction

[pallid cradle]

I think beating Erebus is very feasible for a good amount of players but the Sirens will probably be their first wall.

[candid geode]

✋️😔 I'm a victim

[indigo cypress]

Like her name isnt even ??? when you first meet her

[orchid acorn]

because mel knows eris pre game canon

[glossy beacon]

I think EA people will make it first time knowing battle patterns etc and the best boons I think normally apollo is first to appear or artemis

[pallid cradle]

I foresee the Eris mechanic being hated to a hilarious degree (I agree with anyone who complains about it, it's stupid)

[orchid acorn]

people mel don't know are ???

Mel and eris know eachother so shes not ???, pretty simple

[candid geode]

🫵 you

[frank mulch]

that was the case with h1, it got updated screens every update but with 1.0 it went to the og

[orchid acorn]

isn't it only like 5 runs now

[buoyant matrix]

10

[orchid acorn]

its still 10? i thought it was reduced

[candid geode]

Your bio is weird, I like it

[orchid acorn]

it used to be 1-4 5-7 7-10

i thought it was lowered with the patch that added rewards

[buoyant matrix]

who?

[pallid cradle]

Pretty sure this is still the case.

[orchid acorn]

Miscellaneous
Early encounters with Eris are less likely to occur; she also drops something of value...
literally firsst patch

i guess this meant the hp threshhold change i guess?

[buoyant matrix]

she drops psyche and later bones

[orchid acorn]

yes thats the last part, im talking the FIRST part

less likely to occur

also she used to drop ash too

[pallid cradle]

Probably. It's why you have to leave each boss chamber with less than 33%

[orchid acorn]

was like 300/300/500 or something

[indigo cypress]

She can only appear once in a region tho right? As in she'll first appear in Oceanus, move to Fields the next run, and then Tartarus (only appearing once in a region until you clear it)

[glossy beacon]

what was the eris mechanic, i never beat her until a few weeks or month before olympus came out

[orchid acorn]

there is no eris mechanic on surface, other than the boss

[pallid cradle]

If you progress at a pace that SGG deems too quickly Eris will meet you at the entrance of the next region and give you a debuff that stacks per room for your first 10 runs in the underworld.

[orchid acorn]

the eris mechanic is the first 10 runs of underworld(3-4 per region before she moves on) she will appear and curse you with a worse version of her keepsake without the beneficial part if you progress too fast

[glossy beacon]

ahahah thats funny

[orchid acorn]

first 1-4 runs beating hecate with >50% hp post fountain curses you before oceanus
runs 5-7 curse you after sirens before oceanus
runs 7-10 curse you after cerb before tartarus

exact run numbers i might be off but its something like that

might be like 1-3 4-7 7-10 for example

after run 11 she no longer appears though

[glossy beacon]

so a feck you to speedrunners

[indigo cypress]

Well fresh file have a meta to get around it

Just leave each boss w low hp

[pallid cradle]

I hate the mechanic. The early runs are already rough enough before you get meta-progression going, aspects, or any of that good stuff and they just stack on a BS mechanic on top of it. It's probably my only big complaint about the game other than Thessaly existing.

[orchid acorn]

speedrunners play around it by going <30% hp

[glossy beacon]

for now

[orchid acorn]

since fountains heal 20%, and 29+30=49% which doesn't trigger the eris spawn logic

no they specifically added it due to complaints, see above

they could remove it i guess but it would be a reversion of EA feedback

or change it entirely to just be the first times in each region

but they haven't yet so why now

if anything the general playerbase of a 1.0 launch will see if they nuke it or not

on the other hand, with a 1.0 launch by the time it would be removed/reworked most people who would experience it already past that

[glossy beacon]

Oh I see because i guess people who were too good encountered it i get it but couldnt it be a part of the game I remember first time playing Hades it was hard and couldnt get out of tarturus until a few runs I liked the whole you have to die to progress part

[pallid cradle]

Tbh I doubt the % of people who actually see the mechanic will be high enough.

[orchid acorn]

beating hecate in the first 4 runs isn't THAT unlikely

hell after like a year of not playing h1 i went 5/5 on the technical test

then proceeded to die to root stalker in my first actual EA run but we don't talk about that

now meeting eris in MF/Tartarus yeah i don't see many players getting that deep in 7/10 runs

[buoyant matrix]

eris is here to stay, get used to her 👍

[pallid cradle]

There's an achievement in Hades 1 for beating 8 fear and I'm pretty sure the completion % is fairly low for Hades player count.

[orchid acorn]

its like 13%

[pallid cradle]

Your average player is not the kinda person you meet in this discord is what I'm saying.

[orchid acorn]

agree

[pallid cradle]

If you're discussing the game here or whatever the hell we talk about half the time. You're probably already more "tryhard" than the majority of players will ever be.

[buoyant matrix]

our definition of high fear is +50 we are FAR from normal

[orchid acorn]

but still i believe hecate isn't that unlikely to be beaten by a casual first time player, Maybe the literal casual gf who barely uses a controller

[pallid cradle]

I consider 32 the start of high fear personally.

[orchid acorn]

beating scylla by run 7 sure i can agree its not likely

but erebus +hecate? not particularly unlikely in 4 runs

[glossy beacon]

oh GOD i cant imagine playing Hades without controller I think games like this work better with controller...its annoying when i play Hollow knight it bugs out with my controller every game using controller is fine but hollow knight specifically on xbox app bugs out

[pallid cradle]

I mean I can give my gf a fresh file and see how long it takes her to beat hecate. She has only ever played on my maxed save file with a good arcana setup and maxed out aspects

[orchid acorn]

shes about to set a fresh file speedrun record

bbless too

[pallid cradle]

"Beware Sandwich, Shaded's gf is coming" or something like that lmao

[glossy beacon]

Oh god Im tempted to do a fresh file ngl for the release but i have progressed so far but tbh I know the game well enough to maybe reach a similar point faster I guess just more the factor of the arcarna stuff and weapon

but then again I finished Hades on xbox and have a new file on switch which isnt finished

Ooo I hope hades II has a sale on switch eventually because I wanna have it on my switch especially as theres cross progression

[orchid acorn]

i flip flop, but the only thing im certain of is getting the 1st ending then deciding

cause i sure want to know the ending so i can yap here

with immunity to spoilers

[pallid cradle]

My early access save has over 1000 runs for Hades 2

[polar abyss]

Well I shall leave the server for probably a few days to just experience the story myself. Idk if anyone will do this, but I don’t want someone like… @ing people for spoilers.

Is that something the community would do? Probably not. But I want to experience it spoiler free (unlike Rivals…).

[orchid acorn]

im signing you up for the hades 2 mailing list

[glossy beacon]

I wonder much more story content if Hades II is meant to be more than the 1st and that takes a maybe 10 hour considering the RNG element

[pallid cradle]

I mean we have a whole channel for spoiler free.

[orchid acorn]

about to receive 500 dms of my playthrough at 1.0

all from different accounts

[pallid cradle]

The terrifying part, I believe him.

[polar abyss]

At mods, ban this guy’s IP please

[orchid acorn]

delaware changes a man

let alone us born here

[glossy beacon]

Well I got dying light the beast to play till thursday

[pallid cradle]

Bro I was born by this state, raised by it.

[polar abyss]

I think you mean Pronto changes Delaware. You are the “Florida Man” of Delaware /j

[glossy beacon]

read my profile for the full quote

[candid geode]

I forgot Delaware was a state

[pallid cradle]

So does everyone

[candid geode]

Never hear anything about it

Just like Rhode Island

[pallid cradle]

Do you realize the likelihood of ever meeting a person from here. Let alone 2?

[orchid acorn]

nah we have too many stories for me to be a household name

[candid geode]

"Your chances to be hunted by a giraffe are few but never zero"

[orchid acorn]

the girl who gave head behind a dumpster is one
the crazy guy who kept putting up signs of his name is the other. scott walker i think

[empty abyss]

I hold close to my heart, the theory that the Titan God war will be infinitely prolonged because Mel finds out her family be evil as hell.

[glossy beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-two-nickels-nickels-doofenshmirtz-phineas-and-ferb-dr-doofenshmirtz-gif-26627596

[candid geode]

I wanna know how he got out in the first place

[polar abyss]

Who, Chronos?

[candid geode]

Sometimes tells me this is Zagreus' fault

[candid geode]

Yes

[polar abyss]

That part is known. It was some rituals by the Satyrs iirc

[orchid acorn]

satyr rituals

[polar abyss]

He mentions it in the flashback with Hades

[glossy beacon]

refer to the percy jackson books for context

[orchid acorn]

likely helped by the fact zag gathered a bunch of blood

but mostly the rituals

[candid geode]

conclusion: zagreus caused his grandpa to get out of the nursing home and now he's under house arrest as punishment

👏 glad we got that settled

With the help of some homeless people

[polar abyss]

Here’s the quote; “Chronos - "Do not sound so disappointed! It is I who should be disappointed here, not you. You thought I was gone? I was! But it turns out spite is a powerful motivator. Blood sacrifices also helped."”

[candid geode]

https://tenor.com/view/bop-bop-bop-shoebody-bop-squad-summon-dark-magic-gif-13983602502478731881

[glossy beacon]

If i remember in the story they cut and scattered his pieces across the deepest parts of the underworld so i guess he just regenerated over many centuries

[candid geode]

Live footage of the Satyrs reviving Chronos

[glossy beacon]

ashoobaka ashookababa

[buoyant matrix]

i will keep my current save and grind the ending asap so i become immune to spoilers

[candid geode]

it always traces back to Zagreus
Thx man, your daddy issues helped us get a sequel!

[polar abyss]

So clearly Mel’s mother issues will get us a trilogy?

[glossy beacon]

but if theres extra stuff added from start you miss a lot no?

[candid geode]

HADES GET TO IT I WANT ANOTHER GAME

👏👏 CHOP CHOP OLD MAN

[glossy beacon]

nah the story of Skelly will be the third game

[buoyant matrix]

there won't be extra stuff added at the start

they just changed a single flashback which i saw on youtube, not significant

[candid geode]

I want to know how skelly out of all people managed to appear in the second game

[glossy beacon]

who knows its skelly

[pallid cradle]

It's probably smarter to start over for 1.0 but I also kinda wanna fully max out this save

[candid geode]

let's assume it's skelly

[glossy beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/spooky-season-dance-skeleton-halloween-gif-15265417

[buoyant matrix]

i am not grinding all the upgrades again

[idle crater]

skelly is actually a more powerful being than chaos

[candid geode]

Did he hear chronos attack and said "ok time to go" and then just jumps out of Zagreus' balcony and runs away

https://tenor.com/view/baby-running-up-stairs-gif-9890582931321188168

[pallid cradle]

The idea of re-grinding Hades 2 sounds horrible

[buoyant matrix]

i also don't care that much about ooo intended experience and stuff like that, I'll just see what happens after chronos and enjoy it

[orchid acorn]

im 99% sure chronos literally spawned where skelly usually is

considering all the blood and how fast he blitz'd the hoh

[candid geode]

Maybe he respawned from styx???

[glossy beacon]

was he paid by Hermes to train Zagreus but it went horribly wrong = Hades II

[paper marsh]

uhh... are torches bad now? what is this huge rework

[pallid cradle]

Have you not played in a while

[candid geode]

Zagreus: ah man I messed up beating my time
Skelly: dont worry boyo I know a shortcut

Zagreus: SKELLY YOU REVIVED THE TITAN OF TIME-
Skelly: TRUST THE PROCESS-

[verbal rampart]

Apparently torches have been nerfed a while ago

[orchid acorn]

torches are pretty good now

[orchid acorn]

they've more or less been exclusively buffed since launch basekit

only really the o-special which is debatable

[pallid cradle]

Yea torches got reworked to be less "spend mana to get X effect" spammy (you can still do it)

[glossy beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-poi-fire-dancing-dancing-exhibition-gif-16030036

[orchid acorn]

the only thing torch that has been nerfed is like supay which got nuked from orbit for daring to be a fun and strong torch

[candid geode]

That reminds me

[orchid acorn]

and moros which has gotten medea level lovetaps

[polar abyss]

Also Eos was realized to be really strong now

[candid geode]

I'm surprised No one drew Hecate and Mel with the Torches doing those glowstick choreographies

https://tenor.com/view/dance-green-gif-25970986

[polar abyss]

Like I think a listing of Torches is… Moros > Eos >> Mel >= Supay, maybe.

[pallid cradle]

It can be as true as people want it to be but I'm an OG Eos hater and refuse to change.

Old man screams at cloud

[frail ferry]

Suoay has been nerfed to the underworld

[candid geode]

Do we know for sure that Moros is engaged to Eos

I thought it was just a hunch

[spiral isle]

supay is bad now?

it seemed still strong to me

[pallid cradle]

Supay is still fine.

[verbal rampart]

The Fates say so. Do you think they could lie?

[orchid acorn]

in my opinion yes. its not like unplayable you can win with anything.

but i do not want to use it

and its not a "i don't like how this plays" reason either, cause i liked when it was stronger and more rush focused

[maiden salmon]

I find it interesting that both Eos and Moros are destined to wield the Umbral Flames.

[candid geode]

I think they do it for giggles

[polar abyss]

Supay is good, but I feel like it relies heavily on Omegas and a Rush Boon, which is bad when you have to deal with Vow of Forfeit and Debt

[candid geode]

When they're bored

[frail ferry]

If I remember moros says, that he is destined like through smth from the three fates to be engaged to eos. But moros himself says that could also just be a hunch.

[orchid acorn]

im hoping for rush boon synergy and 50% rush damage back at 1.0

[candid geode]

Wink wink nudge nudge

[orchid acorn]

taking away beach ball and the few other synergies it has was so questionable

yet another unseen patch decision that baffles me

[pallid cradle]

Supay is the main catalyst for believing Foolish works at SGG. No way Medea has been doing that for multiple patches but Supay gets reworked twice in a week.

[orchid acorn]

the anniversary stream actually explained a bit about that

[frail ferry]

That a rumor?

[orchid acorn]

not like specifically but more that specific people balance and work on different weapons

[maiden salmon]

Who is this Sue Pea you keep mentioning? 🤔

[orchid acorn]

so the person in charge of medea is literally foolish

[pallid cradle]

[orchid acorn]

and the person in charge of pan woke up from a 1.5 year coma

and said "Yeah this gotta go"

(or employee turnover)

[candid geode]

Well put him back into a coma smh

[pallid cradle]

Supay's creator hated what they created apparently.

[pallid cradle]

WILD STATEMENT

[maiden salmon]

Pan doesn't feel good to use right now.

[frail ferry]

Pan used ti be so fun, I'm still sad that ares boons got speed capped. Thry were so much fun with aspect of hel

[candid geode]

I'm assuming we are still talking about mythology

[spiral isle]

it's hard to make a semblance of agency when the attacks are technically auto/omnipresent. makes me wonder what the intent really was

[orchid acorn]

this and posiedon ICD is my metric for sgg listening to feedback at 1.0

like they have been slowly backsliding the ICD for everything but like 4 things

with it still existing but not like.... doing anything for anything but those 4

pan
morrigan
coat o-special
and something else im forgetting

idk

may as well just delete the whole thing or set it to .01

[pallid cradle]

Tbh I think daggers in general feel horrible to play.

[orchid acorn]

.09 is literally just a targeted nerf

[pallid cradle]

They're probably the most hammer dependent weapon in the game too.

[candid geode]

Axe hands down personally the best

I just spam omega and we are having a party

[maiden salmon]

I don't mind how the axe plays, but I find it weak. Maybe there is something that isn't clicking for me in terms of axe builds.

[orchid acorn]

idk i don't really have issues with blades basekit. But i slowly came to agree with yall that they lack vs any other weapon

aspect wise theres stuff i'd do like giving typhon a dedicated backstab point, lowering artemis cd to 10 and maing it impossible to whiff the crits

or just reworking it to be like 3/4/5/6/7 seconds of crits

[candid geode]

Consider aspect of nergal level v
Then we will chat

[pallid cradle]

Blades and coat are my least favorite weapons.

[orchid acorn]

blades and coat were my favorite for the longest time lmao

fist supremacy.

[pallid cradle]

Skull and Axe are my favorite.

[orchid acorn]

remove medea, is skull still your fav

do you like medea cause its a skull or do you like skull cause its medea

[maiden salmon]

I really like aspect of Selene coat.

[pallid cradle]

Yea I like Hel and Mel Skulls. Persephone is still... Kinda lacking imo

[orchid acorn]

lower chance for persephone no pom 🙏

(or removal)

persephone rework was actually peak

then the bugfix nation attacked

[pallid cradle]

3/4 aspects on Skull are pretty much where they should be. Persephone thematically is perfect but in practice it's literally just a catalyst for "pls give me high level Heph attack, thanks"

[orchid acorn]

yeah but like you can just not do that

theres a difference between "This only works with X" and "this works really well with X"

persephone giving poms is good for basically any mel skull build

or variations

[loud stirrup]

Mel with the torches secretly doing penlight tricks to the siren songs is definitely an image I have in my head now lmao

[maiden salmon]

Torches are my favorite weapon.

[orchid acorn]

for example you weren't using pan wth anything but posiedon so that is an example of "this is built specifically for that boon and is extremely narrow to succeed"

[cinder gorge]

Bring back axe parry..

[orchid acorn]

persephone is wide af in possibilities, and honestly im not even sure its the best use to play heph with persy

heph is the best with persephone but i don't think its true the other way around

besides with heph 99% getting nerfed at 1.0 its gonna be sad either way 😭

[cinder gorge]

Why's heph getting nerfed

[orchid acorn]

cause its in the trailer

[pallid cradle]

It had to die for us to get the coat omega attack.

Tbh they can just take the coat back. I'm fine with 5 weapons if I get axe shield back.

[cinder gorge]

Wasn't he generally agreed upon to be the worst boon giver?

[orchid acorn]

did you just wake up from a 3 month coma

[cinder gorge]

Possibly

[loud stirrup]

i also did, is he regarded as one of the best now? lmao

[cinder gorge]

[orchid acorn]

and miss the entire heph rework patch that buffed him after we borderline bullied sgg in feedback about the state of the game nd them not touching heph

[loud stirrup]

thats funny

[frail ferry]

I mained artemis blades since early acess but now thry feel a bit weak

[orchid acorn]

i wouldn't call him one of the best, but hes certainly not the worst

[cinder gorge]

Lmao

[orchid acorn]

he still has the problem of needing 90 million poms

[cinder gorge]

I went from an axe main to black coat

[orchid acorn]

but when invested he kinda rolls

which he did before but he rolls more now and is more worth investing in comparatively

[loud stirrup]

i will always love axe, no bias

[cinder gorge]

Parry though..

[orchid acorn]

if you got the same amount of poms on a zeus build it would also roll and was just better than heph. now tis about even

[maiden salmon]

My 2 favorite weapons are Torches and Staff. I get mid enjoyment from Coat and Daggers, and I dislike Skull and Axe. Axe is a special case because I don't hate how it plays, I just find the dps of it is not great compared to the other weapons.

[orchid acorn]

axe is less about dps and more about dph

you can consistently 1-2 shot most things not a boss or armored giga enemy

if not have massive aoe with spin2win

[pallid cradle]

I enjoyed staff until the reworks. I think new Circe is boring af, new Mel is alright, Anubis is my favorite staff, and Momus hasn't really changed outside of a weird nerf to how often you can put up turrets.

[orchid acorn]

i love circe 🥀

[dusty tapir]

I like the Charon Special Slam 🙂

[orchid acorn]

i want mel staff buffed tho

[loud stirrup]

dph?

[orchid acorn]

damage per hit

[loud stirrup]

oh yeah true

[cinder gorge]

damage per hour

[pallid cradle]

Just give us old Mel Staff back ffs.

[orchid acorn]

hell no

unless you just wanna throw it on mel staff standlone thne maybe

[lost wing]

if they fix coat oatk bugs, that'll be my favorite weapon by far, unless they also do something wild with Artemis daggers to give a lot more 'uptime' to the crit bonus, then it might be close

[orchid acorn]

but i love the new special power

[orchid acorn]

would you prefer flat seconds scaling as an aspect bonus or just making whiffs not count

[pallid cradle]

The special spam playstyle is boring af. Anyone who played the start of early access knows that.

[lost wing]

depends on the seconds, I guess, but either of those could be really nice

[orchid acorn]

its a mel staff thats the pont tho

[orchid acorn]

like i said before 3/4/5/6/7/10 seconds

higher gets kinda illegal

[pallid cradle]

My first like 5 wins came from me treating the Y button on my controller like it owed me money.

[lost wing]

didnt see you say that 🤷 . mm, between the two, maybe just ignoring whiffs but I'd have to time things out to be sure. basically if I could spam 9 oatks in under 7s, I'd just want no whiffs lol

[orchid acorn]

i dunno how strong a flat timer of unlimited crits would be tho

well unlimited crit boost anyway

[lost wing]

flat would be better for the attack combo, no whiffs better for oatk if it's not fast enough to get more in within ~7s or whatever (not 100% sure on the post-teleport swing + recovery time)

[pallid cradle]

I'm trying to make a weapon tier list for the hell of it.

I'm stuck on Than and Nergal axes because idk if I should put them in their highest potential or where they are without hammers.

With psychic whirlwind they're both easily high A to low S. Without it, Than sits at middle B tier and Nergal goes in F.

[nocturne zenith]

given how you can't roll or otherwise force hammers, i feel like ranking aspects as if a specific hammer they really want is assumed to be available is the wrong move

[buoyant matrix]

put all three base blades in S because trick knives exists

[nocturne zenith]

unless the list is specifically "weapons ranked assuming they have the perfect build"

[pallid cradle]

Tbh I almost made a separate tier for daggers specifically. *With trick knives"

[normal mountain]

Who do you get the hidden aspect incantation off for the staff and the umbral flames? - i can't remember.

[pallid cradle]

Artemis is B, Mel is C, Pan is F.

Without trick knives.

[pallid cradle]

Moros for torches

And staff is Circe

Hope you like rerolling Thessaly

[orchid acorn]

deadass i think nergal is at least equal to than without any hammers

psychic just makes it S

[pallid cradle]

I don't even think Nergal is worth playing without it

Than can at least still abuse the ability

[orchid acorn]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YumtM4hFLVZWHrykW4k_nvkqbYVISYUIRPNd4LlI5gM/https/i.imgur.com/iYYETi2.png?format=webp&quality=lossless
this is what i wrote 2 months ago right before the last balance patch apparently

[pallid cradle]

That's not terrible tbh

[empty fractal]

whats the op item over there? ive never seen it before

[nocturne zenith]

is mel coat really that bad? i've always enjoyed low-magic builds that focus on poseidon attack and other on-hit effects

[buoyant matrix]

medea skull

[orchid acorn]

relooking at this shiva is now no changes tier.
eos to minor buffs/revert changes(gib hidden helix)
selene to no changes after the godsent changes

[empty fractal]

ah i see

[orchid acorn]

maybe thanatos is fine too idk

[fathom lake]

Lance of ares its the easiest build in the game lmfao

[empty fractal]

if one of the weapons could be swapped out for a different type of weapon like a bow or maybe a morningstar would it be a good thing?

[orchid acorn]

morningstar is basically axe 2.0 probably

[empty fractal]

ah.

[orchid acorn]

bow we know mel canonically sucks at using

and it would be reteading ground in h1

[empty fractal]

she sucks at using bow?

[orchid acorn]

yes

Odysseus : "If I may be so bold, Goddess? You witches are reliant on your magick when it comes to fighting from afar. You ever think of taking up the bow again? I could give you some pointers..."

Melinoë : "We don't discuss the bow, Odysseus. I'm still recovering from the last time you gave me some of those pointers about it."

Odysseus : "Ah, well. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. A single weakness in your case, perhaps."

[empty fractal]

ah! ody dang i rarely talk to him that explains my lack of knowledge

[remote panther]

Yuuup. I think the bow was my least favorite weapon in h1( only used the aspect of Hera if I even used it)

[loud stirrup]

where did you get this like immediately lol

[orchid acorn]

wiki od page

ctrl f bow

[twin apex]

what do you think would change from patch 11? i think shiva can move up at least. and also put supay in "revert the nerfs" bc i liked it on launch (although maybe a little lower rush bonus)

[raven perch]

Pronto said shiva is now in “No changes” tier

[twin apex]

oh yea didn't see that before

i am really hoping for an eos rework though. i miss covering the entire room with specials, but you can't really do that with the new torch special and also no hidden/triple helix

i kinda like the daybreaker mechanic, but i feel like they should make the aspect bonus something like special speed and duration

[orchid acorn]

i would prefer a eos rework but its not like, critical

only thing i actively want from eos atm is hidden helix

or them letting me attack without despawning

[loud stirrup]

is there a different wiki? cant find it on fandom

[orchid acorn]

.... did you not click on the quotes page?

https://imgur.com/ByvEIb6

[loud stirrup]

oh

i didnt even know they had these lol

[vast coral]

I agree with Mel. I never liked the Bow in H1 either

[granite mauve]

aspect of rama 😍

I love my 5000 damage crits

[rose canyon]

5 days until release :>

[orchid acorn]

exactly 5 days right now.(realistically a few more minutes cause steam is always trash at exact time drops)

[buoyant matrix]

crossroads sheet has a countdown

oh wait it's a countdown to september 25th not release time

[orchid acorn]

mfs be thinking midnight local in for a surprise

[maiden salmon]

Is it the 25th yet?

[shy charm]

im excited to watch my friends stream it on the 25th as they have never played it or seen any spoilers

[buoyant matrix]

how you're gonna be looking in vc watching them enter the cerberus fight for the first time:

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-american-psycho-donald-kimball-yeah-agreeing-gif-16559662558978776225

[shy charm]

yeah thats definately top 3 moments im anticipating - one of the others is the slow dawning realization that there are two routes in this game

[orchid acorn]

who tf is having a slowly dawning realization

its plastered in literally every trailer, hell im pretty sure the steam page has that mf in bold letters

[shy charm]

they specifically havent been watching the trailers :) to avoid spoilers

[orchid acorn]

ok and when they fail their run #1 and to go start run#2 and see a whole separate exit

[lost wing]

could've been when the poseidon icd was messing with exhaust riser. also it's pretty dependent on that hammer in general for best results, which is highly specific

[orchid acorn]

like it even in full ass view too, if the routes were flipped so that the underworld one was off screen it'd be a bit more understandable

but olympus path is deadass just there no bushes no nothing 😭

[shy charm]

pronto you are so agro sometimes lol - like im just excited. like seriously why is this a thing you need to argue agaisnt - someone excited for when thier friends discover olympus.... god

[orchid acorn]

exploring olympus sure
playing the 2nd route sure
but finding out the 2nd route is just some weird wording when its not really hidden

[shy charm]

ok, you are right. moving on

[orchid acorn]

i will say i swear the store page had mention of the 2nd route, i think that was just in the original trailer though that played

but im not seeing it listed

just says underworld

[cursive kayak]

im excited for my friends to find things out as well

or just to play it in general

[cursive kayak]

some of my friends don’t know anything about it, so yeah im excited for them to see it too

[maiden salmon]

I ugly cried the first time I encountered Cerberus. Don't make me hurt my precious boy, my beautiful crimson floof. 😭

We give him the equivalent of a bath though.

[normal mountain]

I absolutely despise those red glowing blobs that thrown in the mourning fields, they are infuriatingly accurate and have a big AoE... 💀 💩

[craggy oriole]

Need a Majora's Mask-style countdown... but with Selene!

[sharp cosmos]

That's ignoring the possibility that the lad might not reach cerby in their first stream

[ancient nebula]

5 days. 5 days. So excited

[orchid acorn]

honestly my friend was getting rolled by scylla for the first like 5 nights

picked torch for the 1st time and made it to chronos despite eris

[sharp cosmos]

Understandable

[orchid acorn]

i was baffled bro was handling torch so well

[sharp cosmos]

Chronos fight with Eris debuff starting at Oceanus is brutal

"Hello, do you want 90 damage despite you having 130 hp ?"

[orchid acorn]

he lost and wasn't even close to winning (died like phase 1.2) but i was still like damn bro

now its his favorite weapon

[sharp cosmos]

I can understand that, I love torches

[orchid acorn]

actually king von with the torch

[ancient nebula]

Getting to Chronos with Oceanus Eris is a feat in it of itself imo.

And torches are also my fav weapon. Feel most at home with them

[orchid acorn]

i think he got her at mourning fields

since it was a few runs deep

[sharp cosmos]

At first I was a knife enjoyer, but they don't have reach nor range except on the special, but it's thus reducing the rate of attack substantially

I still need to get morrigan, but I'm struggling with silver

(To unlock Artemis)

[orchid acorn]

i think if i started all over again i'd be a torch abuser too. New torch feels so clean

[ancient nebula]

I got my first ever UW clear with the knives. Artemis knives

[orchid acorn]

twin

i was too ass at recognizing and dodging the instakills so i just parried them

[ancient nebula]

The defensive side of the Artemis knives help in a lot of moments

[sharp cosmos]

I always am, in all games, a dodge enjoyer rather than parry, and I criminally underuse it on knives

[ancient nebula]

I know that the staff is the starter wep for Mel but it feels like the knives are her 'default'

[orchid acorn]

i am like convinced the sister blades were the 1st weapon designed and originally the first weapon for mel

[ancient nebula]

The artwork featuring them so much must be why I think that

[orchid acorn]

but focus testing later on lead to them swapping staff and blades to focus more on the magick aspect and witch

[normal mountain]

Do you think mel will get to finally pet cerberus in V1????

[ancient nebula]

Oh that's a consideration that I didnt think about

[ancient nebula]

After the family is rescued, ye

[orchid acorn]

its an option in the game so without being a dev im like as 100% positive as i can be

[sharp cosmos]

I know what you mean, but I'd argue that the staff is the default, as in, defaulting to it. It's moves are basics, teaches you the key difference between omega and normal moves, and it's just... there.

However, she's better suited with the knives indeed

[orchid acorn]

those can all come secondary tho

[sharp cosmos]

Like, staff omoves really gives that magick vibe, that the knives don't convey

[orchid acorn]

like blades can be first but when doing a tutorial they make the staff which is more beginner friendly and swap them

same logic behind them swapping fists and adamant rail

[ancient nebula]

Yeah I agree. Mel is not a primary melee character so ye. The staff is a better first choice weapon to showcase the range

[orchid acorn]

fists were weapon #6 but hades 1.0 has it #5

[ancient nebula]

I love the fists. They're my favourite weapon

[sharp cosmos]

I love both

Just because it's a flurry of attacks

I wish to win by a thousand cuts, not by a big swing

and also because more tiny attacks, more support fire arrows

[hollow lily]

Wassup

[candid nimbus]

Oh, Chaos Speed curse is very rough now, it affects both dash and general movement, so no workaround for that one

[shy charm]

do we think there will be patch notes for 1.0 - was that the case in H1 EA?

[cursive kayak]

if there’s changes i assume there’ll be patch notes somewhere (and we do already know there’ll be some changes im p sure)

[orchid acorn]

yes there was patch notes for 1.0
we already borderline know hephestus special was nerfed from the trailer

though some people are on copium that it was outdated footage running on switch for some reason

[merry whale]

i am on that copium, them nerfing heph right after buffing him to actually be in a healthy state would suck

unless they like mega buff glow or smth

[orchid acorn]

how is this the first time im hearing about this deadlock mod
https://i.imgur.com/G7EUZjG.mp4

[wicked ferry]

not sure where the right channel is to ask about this, but (spoilers for some chaos trials i suppose) ||i cleared both great chaos above and great chaos below, and haven't touched either of the "normal" variants of them. because i never cleared the standard chaos above or chaos below, i didn't get the clear on the fated list of minor prophecies, which i totally understand and is ultimately inconsequential, but i still do feel as if i should have gotten the achievement||

yes i know spoilers allowed, it doesn't hurt to be a little conscientious

[orchid acorn]

you need a 2 streak on the full run trials

not completing any 2

[cursive kayak]

for me i did chaos below twice since its easiest

[wicked ferry]

i coulda sworn it said complete any 2

[cursive kayak]

the wording is confusing as hell everyone gets tripped up lol

but they mean a streak of 2 for the same one

[wicked ferry]

oh wack

would it still count if i do great chaos though? i think it's funny to leave normal chaos uncleared

[orchid acorn]

i think so but its been so long i have no idea

i think thats how i got it

[cursive kayak]

i mean u gotta win but yeah u can do it with great chaos if that’s what u want lol

[wicked ferry]

just gotta be a gamer about it 😤

[wise ledge]

So interesting watching Haelian react to the very first iteration of hades 2. Almost all of the boons are different, UI is so much more polished now, wow. When playing through all the updates changes don't feel that different

[wicked ferry]

yeah i was talking about this in another server lol

starting on a fresh file in the 1.0 release is gonna feel VERY different than starting from what was fresh at the start of the early access

[cursive kayak]

yeah

[orchid acorn]

the ui upgrade was very noticable with the transitions and stuff

when it was added anyway, you're just used to it now

honestly the biggest noticable upgrade was the early patches, i miss that era 😔

[wicked ferry]

blehhhh

[wise ledge]

That big update really was hard to miss, but there was a ton of smaller stuff gradually added

[orchid acorn]

adding in keepsake art, finished art for characters, full on reworks of arcana etc

boon art

[wicked ferry]

i liked the placeholder keepsake letters lol

[cursive kayak]

yeah

[wicked ferry]

i love seeing the dev cycle

[orchid acorn]

i couldn't tell you what any boon/hammer etc icon meant

[cursive kayak]

i loved getting excited each time a character got upgraded from sketch to full art

[orchid acorn]

outside of like the duos cuase they usually mix two of the gods colors

[orchid acorn]

lowkey a few feel downgraded

[cursive kayak]

oh?

[orchid acorn]

echos was better WIP. Hades WIP art i think got less detail but more polished

idk maybe it was just the fact the chains were so beeg and like noticable

[cursive kayak]

i like both but I agree old echo was nice. and yeah i liked the huge chains

[orchid acorn]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/6/6f/Hades_Chained_II.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20240605200112

[cursive kayak]

they both look great

[orchid acorn]

vs https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/a/ae/Hades_HadesII.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20241017061846

idk i like the color scheme better for the wip somehow

chains looks less noticable im like drawn to his biceps

whereas before i only saw chains

also seems too... clean?

[cursive kayak]

yeah having that chain around his arm helped. but after seeing the first for so long, the second one was awesome to see

[orchid acorn]

a lot of luster for someone pitiful and in chains for so long

[cursive kayak]

YEAH that’s exactly it. the first one almost looks like grimy

the second one just has clothes torn

[orchid acorn]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/5/58/Echo_PH.png/revision/latest?cb=20240513083421 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/9/97/Echo_HadesII.png/revision/latest?cb=20241017100304

then echo i guess i liked the glowing part of her and the dull colors? the new colors look muted

honestly i didnt even notice she was WIP until they updated her

she has more detail but i dislike the details added ig

[wicked ferry]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/7/7e/Medea_PH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20240517220331 ok but like

my queen

[orchid acorn]

see now that was a glowup

but it still looks really cool

icarus too was ass > good art

[wicked ferry]

again this is my "i love the early parts of any dev cycle" attitude, i love the sketches

[orchid acorn]

i said it the other day but i also really prefer narcs old art https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/d/d0/Narcissus_WIP.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20240607215521

[cursive kayak]

i liked when narcissus had the placeholder. i sort of wish they kept it, having us unable to see narcissus’ face when he’s the vainest mf to ever live would have been hilarious

[cursive kayak]

when was this???

I don’t remember seeing that art

[orchid acorn]

pre EA in the files but they removed it likely cuase they were reworking his visuals to the final we got

[cursive kayak]

ah

[orchid acorn]

but its been known and on the wiki since launch

the lip bite is what sells it to me

[wicked ferry]

oh this would have been such a good look for him

[orchid acorn]

official narc is too like tryhard and fboy like

[wicked ferry]

i love the stupid blond boy too but this look is ethereal

[orchid acorn]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/4/4b/CodexPortrait_Narcissus_WIP.png/revision/latest?cb=20240528074333

witness him

[mossy shuttle]

Why be 🫦ing like that

[cursive kayak]

i agree actually. nothing wrong with femboy character but like the pose and stuff just feels so off

[sharp cosmos]

Wait, there's more prophecies to chaos regarding chaos trials ? How'd you get those ? I've done like, 28 out of 30 chaos trials already

[mossy shuttle]

Idk, official narc matches the va better imo although I do sorta wish he was just a jock lol

[hushed heron]

[pallid cradle]

They went for twink because they knew the value. I'm not mad at them.

[shy charm]

giest was the right pick - that arm

[fathom lake]

she has that :3

5 Days 🗣️ 🎸

[orchid acorn]

4 days 20 hours 12 minutes

[fathom lake]

Thanks Hades 2 Countdown Bot!

[wicked ferry]

my friend told me i looked like medea and that compliment has been living rent free in my head for months

i love her design so much

[fathom lake]

Heh Awesome

[cursive kayak]

a friend once told me my singing reminded her of eurydice from h1 and it’s one of the kindest things anyone has said about me

[hollow lily]

AND HE STILL IS A FCKING TWINK

[sleek oar]

Oh ive officially passed my h1 hours apparently

Which wasnt really all that much 💀 but still

[wise ledge]

I'm still far off. Need to dump ~400 hours into the game :D

[orchid acorn]

these allegations require proof

[pallid cradle]

Nah that's fine, I believe her.

[orchid acorn]

shaded is hoarding all the medea cosplay to himself. selfish

[wicked ferry]

nice try

[wise ledge]

Wow, hexes required so much more magick back in the tech test. 120 basic cost for the ray

[orchid acorn]

"the tech test" try for like 2 patches post EA launch

hexes were ass and that stigma has been with them for a long time for a reason

Hexes of Selene
· Wolf Howl: reduced Magick-spend requirement
· Twilight Curse: greatly reduced Magick-spend requirement; reduced foes afflicted; reduced cast time
· Night Bloom: reduced Magick-spend requirement, effect duration, bonus damage, and cast time
· Lunar Ray: greatly reduced Magick-spend requirement; reduced damage; reduced cast time
· Moon Water: slightly increased Magick-spend requirement; slightly reduced healing
· Dark Side: slightly increased Magick-spend requirement; slightly reduced cast time

next patch

Hexes of Selene
· Phase Shift: reduced Magick-spend requirement; slightly reduced effect duration; fixed text incorrectly stating this duration; now works vs. Chronos, after a certain point...
· Total Eclipse: greatly reduced Magick-spend requirement
· Dark Side: increased ability damage; slightly reduced Magick-spend requirement
· Lunar Ray: greatly reduced Magick-spend requirement; improved targeting while using gamepad controls
· Moon Water: slightly reduced Magick-spend requirement
· As part of these changes, you can no longer recharge Hexes while their effects are still ongoing

[wise ledge]

And even after all the patches the hexes are still mid :D

[orchid acorn]

nah i think they are fine now post godsent current version

i still prefer calls but they are.... vaguely equal

im never upset to see hexes most of the time now, but i rarely go out of my way to get them

before i avoided them

[mossy shuttle]

Shout out hexes, gotta be one of my favorite things to be able to passively ignore and miss basically nothing 🗣️

[wise ledge]

Same I guess. They are ok if all other rewards are bad

[frosty nest]

Will hades 2 ever releas on console?

[wise ledge]

No

[frosty nest]

Whai

[wise ledge]

For a year at least

[orchid acorn]

hades 2 is releasing on console, just only switch 1 and 2

[frosty nest]

Oh

[wise ledge]

They have exclusivity pact with nintendo

[orchid acorn]

past that there is no official confirmation of the game and unofficially i can borderline guarantee it won't be launching this year

[mellow inlet]

Your best bet will probably to get it on PC if you have one

[orchid acorn]

expect like spring-summer 2026 for PS/xbox

if not later

[wise ledge]

Yeah, even your PC sucks it's not a very demanding game

[frosty nest]

I see

[frosty nest]

Pc went on a permanent coma

[orchid acorn]

eh DX12.1 is a decent req