h2-discussion

[mystic cypress]

It kinda feels out of place

[cursive kayak]

nah it does, like blood plasma

[cerulean lake]

Yeah
Like plasma is blood but with the way it looks and everything, it doesnt scream blood as much

[cursive kayak]

it still sort of does in a way. im generally fine with plasma

[crude dragon]

Plasma is still tied to blood, yes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_plasma

[cursive kayak]

any other bingo suggestions?

also as much as I hope pan nerfs are reverted… do u guys actually think it will be 😭

[broken glen]

No

[meager garden]

plasma is a lot tastier

lemon flavored

[hearty fog]

Ares still feels very very strong to me.

And currently my only visual beef with Plasma is that they look really similar to UR Eris's bombs.

[meager garden]

I think the yellow is just kind of hard to see on stuff like snow

[crude dragon]

Circe as the secret boss

[cursive kayak]

like charon style?

[wispy storm]

yeah exactly

[cursive kayak]

that would be sick actually

[wispy storm]

I think it's a pretty strong theory

[covert valve]

6 days left I'm so ready

[wispy storm]

Damn that's crazy to think about...

[cursive kayak]

I haven’t heard the theory but honestly I love it

[wispy storm]

Having actually been around since EA launch coming up to this release it's a weird combination of being hype for the story stuff which I'll love to see, and a liiiiittle bit scared hoping "man i hope the game balance is really good despite there being no more feedback-patch cycles"

[cursive kayak]

6 days and 12 hours

[cursive kayak]

same 😭

[meager garden]

I'm on the other side weirdly enough

[cursive kayak]

though not since EA launch for me, july of last year

[bronze oak]

Theres even lines about circe being secretly wrathful. I think its likely, tho I hope there's an equivalent in the underworld

[meager garden]

hype for the game balance stuff, not as hype for story stuff

[cursive kayak]

i am super hype for story things. one of the reasons I connected so heavily with hades 1 was the story

[wispy storm]

Like I am so excited to hear Zagreus again, not so hype to maybe have to grapple with the likely fact that Hepheastus boons are going to continue to be a sometimes food

[cursive kayak]

yeaaaaah

[covert valve]

Super hyped for story stuff, since I am playing for the story, but I'm a little sad I won't have anything else to look forward to. I feel the pain of silksong fans now lol

[solemn fractal]

tbh i like the idea that despite medea being the gloomy sinister one, she's actually fairly chill compared to circe

[meager garden]

it's one of those "my mind will probably always expect more than what reality will deliver"

[solemn fractal]

ngl tho i don't care for circe

[covert valve]

Scylla?!?! Lol

[covert valve]

But also, valid

[wispy storm]

as a silksong fan it's kind of continuing to give and give honestly i havent hit the wall of "ah i wish there was more" yet (and plus, if it's anything like hk there's likely a bit more on the horizon! they've confirmed they have ideas)

[cursive kayak]

I feel that. im trying to keep my expectations in check ngl

it’s hard bc writer brain and I can think of a million things and pieces of dialogue and etc

[solemn fractal]

like she's there and there's def stuff about her and meli talking about the relationship between her and hecate that i like, but she just feels kind of boring

[bronze oak]

Tbh this game has already exceeded all of my expectations of a hades sequel

[covert valve]

Aww heck yeah! I'd love more story stuff! I hope once the full game launches, apart from Story end, we can wake Hypnos at least! I wanna see Hypnos and Mama Nyx reunion!

[meager garden]

yeah that's also what I'm thinking

[solemn fractal]

or maybe im comparing too hard to Medea

[meager garden]

like 1.0 will not like, double the game's story, a lot of it is already there

not every npc is gonna get big shakeups either, I don't think

[cursive kayak]

I think we’ll get more than we’re expecting, but it won’t be double

[solemn fractal]

tbh i put more hours in Hades 2 than Hades 1 and it's abs better in terms of gameplay and roguelite experience, but it still feels a bit dull storywise

[wispy storm]

I like to keep my expectations really low for everything and I think that's why this experience is kinda hitting me hard, I wasn't keeping my expectations low for Hades 2 because I was so actively familiar with what was and could be, that now I have all that "what could be" in my head prior to release as opposed to coming in fresh slate

[cursive kayak]

I mean to be fair it doesn’t have like the main through line of the story

[solemn fractal]

like the designs are great but none of the characters make me feel as strongly as hades for some reason

[wispy storm]

well i mean it's a bit hard for it to be given a fair shot without a conclusion

[covert valve]

I just want mostly mel and family fluff, plus mel and arachne content.

[solemn fractal]

right, i am expecting a lot more content, so i am keeping an open mind

[meager garden]

I don't think human arachne is happening, sorry guys

[unreal temple]

Medea buffed as in the aspect? That's already broken

[hearty fog]

👏 LET 👏 ME 👏 PET 👏 CERBERUS 👏

[wispy storm]

Hades prior to winning 10 times is way different than post winning 10 times, the ending and post ending stuff matters a lot

[solemn fractal]

even if it doesn't happen i want some level of retribution, infinite punishment sounds awful

[bright fern]

i wonder/hope we get some late game storylines in h2 like in h1 with dusa getting fired and leaving the house for a bit

[solemn fractal]

like could you imagine insulting a CEO and being put in an iron lung forever

[meager garden]

yes

[bronze oak]

Please I just want hades to stop being sad and to pet cerb

[hearty fog]

I live in the US, yes.

[bright fern]

overall just wanna see the different occupants (?) of the crossroads interact with each other more. the workplace setting of h1 made the easier + fun

[unreal temple]

Zagreus hot tub

[solemn fractal]

i mean fair me too but like more so could you imagine it being told as a tale of justic- nevermind

[meager garden]

mhm
yep

[cursive kayak]

I also don’t think it’s happening. I think arachne and athena will have a confrontation, like speaking to one another about what happened. but I don’t think human arachne is happening

[wispy storm]

i think that's precisely why it's the prediction, that the trend of it getting stronger will continue

[solemn fractal]

spider arachne x athena make it happen sg you cowards

[meager garden]

it NEEDS buffs it is STARVING

[bronze oak]

Arachne romance in 1.0 PLEASE her and Mel have sm chemistry for no reason

[wispy storm]

It's gonna be so cool if the H1 characters have new portrait art

[solemn fractal]

I NEED FULL GODESS ON SPIDER ACTION ONG

[meager garden]

yeah this isn't happening either, sorry

[bright fern]

was just gonna say that the possibility of new zagreus portrait makes me wanna faint lowkey

[solemn fractal]

unironically it feels like Mel is the light in Arachne's life and while it is kinda cute it is also really sad

[meager garden]

almost completely unrelated, idk why my brain keeps seeing the wilted rose emoji as a sad pikmin

[bright fern]

my boy will be shiny and have fun vfx..

[solemn fractal]

silver fox zagreus please

[cursive kayak]

LMAO

[bronze oak]

All of her voicelines when you leave her room make me wanna kms

[wispy storm]

insane how mel and arachne have chemistry but arachne has no charisma how do they do it

[solemn fractal]

we have too many twinks we need more hot old men

[broken glen]

Speak your truth

[meager garden]

bro hephaestus is right there

[little frost]

alone again.... heh heh..... sighhhhh

[solemn fractal]

not old enough tbh

[bright fern]

woahhhh arachne is just minding her business ntm

[meager garden]

eh fair

[wispy storm]

hoping for more odysseus moments honestly

[cursive kayak]

me too

[solemn fractal]

she sounds so dejected and sad like ma'am just tell me to stay with u and we'll begin a cottage-spider-core lifestly

[wispy storm]

achilles was subtle in hades, but, i think odysseus could use a couple more events to really make a neat arc for him

[cursive kayak]

like for all that odysseus is present he doesn’t really talk about himself at all

[meager garden]

yeah that's like another thing, I half dont' expect anything else to happen with odysseus in 1.0, idk why

[solemn fractal]

Od on his way to be a completely useless POS for the entire game:

[bright fern]

god i really am holding out hope for Something Anything new re: Penelope and Od.

[solemn fractal]

bro has not told me one thing i care about

[hearty fog]

I don't know if I just got all the Odysseus content super early and I don't remember or if there's just not a lot of Odysseus content.

[cursive kayak]

there really isn’t that much

[wispy storm]

point of service? odysseus charon team up lets go

[bright fern]

i’m really scared abt how they handle Odysseus and circe

[solemn fractal]

there's just not a lot tbh
like he just mentions stuff you encountered last run and has one interaction with icarus

[meager garden]

I think the thing about how dead souls drift apart in the afterlife is kinda interesting

[solemn fractal]

ah did you play the game?

[bronze oak]

Frinos catching bugs for arachne 😭 😭 😭

[solemn fractal]

i think this would be greatly improved if we ever met penelope and telemachus, hopefully in v1.0?

[meager garden]

frinos might eat arachne

[cursive kayak]

i kinda doubt they’re gonna add penelope and telemachus

[broken glen]

He would never

[meager garden]

maybe they're just unportraited shades lol

[solemn fractal]

he's a good frog he'd never

[cursive kayak]

that seems like a lot of work for not a lot of payoff

[wispy storm]

true in h1 the in-run characters having pairs with the home characters was a big part of the interconnected feel

[bronze oak]

He would never he's a gentleman

[bright fern]

just saying this coz i feel like ranking up your relationship with him will have them talk to each other and i just really am unsure how that’ll be handled

[meager garden]

a yellow shade and an orange shade come out of the crowd, Odysseus is like "Telemachus? Penelope?"

[solemn fractal]

honestly yes but Od does nothing

[meager garden]

they do some emotes

[solemn fractal]

legit the best thing about Od is his keepsake

[cursive kayak]

true

[bronze oak]

Not the odysseus slander...

[meager garden]

Achilles ran so odysseus could walk

[bright fern]

ohh you think we’ll see echo in narc’s chamber then

[wispy storm]

not what i said but like sure i guess haha

[meager garden]

I loved sisyphus's relationship with bouldy, so true

[broken glen]

Odysseus stumbled… tripped, even

[bright fern]

Oop my bad then lol

gamers (me) can’t read

[cursive kayak]

look. i like odysseus. he just doesn’t really do anything in this game. you could replace him with like any other strategist character and nothing would change.

i want better characterization. i want him being there to actually be meaningful and not “hey it’s odyssey reference: the game”

[wispy storm]

i bet the more added dialog will help loads

even if it isnt much just there being more before you run out will help it feel fuller

[solemn fractal]

Moros has that going against fate, Eris is about rebelling the system and striking for change, Nem offers new perspectives and rivalry, Icarus has the whole connection via past mistakes and reconciliation (which could be expanded upon tbh), Hecate has the entire thing about surrogate motherhood and guilt), Dora reflects the theme of gods preying on mortalkind and learning from mistakes, and Hypnos and Skelly are both shrouded in mystery
OD HAS NOTHING
HE DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT EITHER SIT AT HIS DESK, COMMENT ON MELI GARDENING, OR DRINKING AWAY LIKE A DEADBEAT DAD

[bronze oak]

Achilles has the advantage of being gay

[cursive kayak]

true!!!

[meager garden]

imagine if he was the one who wrote the codex, that'd be so cool

[meager garden]

I mean odysseus still has a chance...

[cursive kayak]

this is why prom/herc needs to be canon. we haven’t met the yaoi quota

[solemn fractal]

Patrolcus and Achilles were Pushing Buddies??? 😊

[bright fern]

plus Achilles’ story in h1 actually made sense thematically for the game’s larger thing of “change/reconciliation after death”

[cursive kayak]

isn’t the codex from mel’s pov?

[bright fern]

Odysseus currently is a nothingburger

[broken glen]

They’re the gayest couple in Greek myth

[meager garden]

yeah but I was thinking what could Odysseus do, and it'd be interesting if he sold/gave information

[hearty fog]

The Book of Shadows has multiple voices.

Some of the entries are definitely Mel.

Others are unknown.

[wispy storm]

for being born out of pure frustration this is actually a good analysis

[misty wyvern]

I know its still a week away but it does my heart good to see hades 2 predownloading on my switch right now.

[broken glen]

One of them’s gotta be Aphrodite writing in with how much gossip is in there

[meager garden]

I love drinking

[solemn fractal]

honestly one of the most romantic too
like achilles loved patrolcus so much that he straight up would still hold on to his decaying corpse despite the smell and basically became a rabid beast that killed hector

[solemn fractal]

do you drive in your car right after a beer?

[raven perch]

I don’t think that last bit is so romantic

[bright fern]

he does hypnos’ shtick of commenting on your death but now it’s boring lol

[cursive kayak]

but yeah I really really hope they actually do something with odysseus

[meager garden]

Runs over an oddly knight-shaped bump

[broken glen]

Yeah he’s too… neurotypical

[wispy storm]

okay wait guys i know how to fix odysseus

[solemn fractal]

god forbid a man goes mad over his lost love, loses his humanity, and dies full of regrets smh

[wispy storm]

new npc for the summit eurylochus

[meager garden]

kill him in 1.0?

[raven perch]

Hypnos was split into Odysseus (death commenter) and Dora (annoying roommate) and yet neither of them have his charm

Nobody touches my goat 🔥🔥

[meager garden]

Odysseus is gonna be the secret boss in 1.0

[cursive kayak]

ody comments on your death in the way of like a general or commander gaining field information. it makes sense to me. but like again, that could be any strategizer, that isn’t unique to him

[solemn fractal]

Homer: "And nothing of value was lost"

[bright fern]

i kinda hate him but he’s undeniably goated icl

[meager garden]

cool

[raven perch]

I’ll fight you

[cursive kayak]

hey I like dora

[bright fern]

hate him in a playful way! we have fun here

[solemn fractal]

i wouldn't mind if his info told us about the future or gave helpful tips on the enemies instead of just "oh you reached X boss? cool"

[meager garden]

it is kind of sad how much he says "Hey goddess, look out for the boss in this zone" and then mel goes "yeah, I know, I just died to them, thanks."

[raven perch]

Nobody is allowed to hate Hypnos in my presence

[cursive kayak]

right LOL

[solemn fractal]

Hypnos is the GOAT, invest in Hypnos stock rn

this mf will be the clutch trust

[raven perch]

It’s especially kinda sad that it’s a textual thing where Mel is Also disappointed, because it’s not meant to be funny so it’s just kinda lame

[hearty fog]

I actually really like Dora.

[meager garden]

I don't like Dora but I hope she gets better in 1.0

[cursive kayak]

like the typhon report thing where he gives the report and questions the validity and mel is like “yeah I can confirm that, I just fought him”

like ok thx for nothing odysseus

[raven perch]

I like Dora too she’s just not as awesomely perfect as Hypnos

[hearty fog]

Odysseus needs some serious zhuzhing.

[solemn fractal]

Dora is great, but I wish she had more content
really wished they talked more about her stepping up and helping with the Crossroads project

[broken glen]

Prometheus is the titan of foresight, Odysseus is the mortal of hindsight

[meager garden]

Dora is the neet useless roommate for too long imo

[wispy storm]

truly deeply funny how he is not only fated to do this because the game can't have a character spoil upcoming stuff but also in-universe all of this isn't fated so he's just messing up and being late for like realsies so there's genuine narrative dissonance

[cursive kayak]

LMAOOO

[bright fern]

me too! her dynamic with mel grew on me over time, i really like how she brings out how much of an overly serious dork mel is, like when mel takes Dora’s hauntings too seriously then Dora turns it back around to say “bro chill.” wish we got more of that tbh

[bronze oak]

this is my favorite part of her character...

[cursive kayak]

honestly yk what yeah that tracks with his characterization in the odyssey 😭😭😭

[meager garden]

Mel is faster than all of his scouts its so funny

[solemn fractal]

i can't wait for all of our complaining about Od end up backfiring after Od kills Hecate and swears revenge on all the Olympians for messing with him in his mortal form

[meager garden]

it's still not too late for odysseus to betray all of us!

[devout abyss]

odysseus is not late, he is literally asking mel about the reports he is getting

[solemn fractal]

tbh if i were a milennia long shade who basically lived in the boonies id also be incredibly depressed

[devout abyss]

love the implication that the shades lie all the time

[solemn fractal]

Nobody betrayed us

[raven perch]

Dora and Mel have a fun relationship where they do improv. Which they both should be shot and hanged for but I respect it

[meager garden]

chronos did by getting back up

[solemn fractal]

Heartwarming

[sharp cosmos]

Ravaal Aspect of Hel is fun

[solemn fractal]

and headhanging

[sharp cosmos]

Just did a run with Chain Lightning, Scorch, AQ & Support fire

[solemn fractal]

dude i love the hammer that gives 2 extra seconds of valkyrie form

[raven perch]

I like Hel more for the oattack

[sharp cosmos]

Aka the "i don't understand what's on screen but I love it"

[solemn fractal]

ong we need to be able to fly with icarus

[devout abyss]

where the hell are you from

[solemn fractal]

they talk about it so many time

[raven perch]

We do!! I keep saying their story isn’t complete without it

[broken glen]

Any shade born after the golden age can’t materialize… all they know is Taverna, charge they hex, , eat ambrosia and lie

[solemn fractal]

aslume

[bright fern]

i think mel + dusa and zag + Dora meeting would just exacerbate both duos best/worst qualities coz of their similarities

[wispy storm]

the game just turns into galaga

[raven perch]

They talk about it once 😅

[solemn fractal]

yeah they ref it so many times

oh f i replied twice

[granite mauve]

and if they're a broker

[sharp cosmos]

Speaking of Icarus, did I understand his story well, as in Mel tried to bring him back fully, overextended, and made her arm spectral in the process ?

[devout abyss]

yeah

[cursive kayak]

mel and dusa being all prim and proper, meanwhile zag and dora are duking it out in a denny’s parking lot

[raven perch]

They don’t refer to the “flying together” bit very often I don’t think

[bright fern]

i want it to be animated and not just an illustration please amir supergiant…

[solemn fractal]

in my demented head they talked about it multiple times 😊

[sharp cosmos]

Do we know what her arm being spectral entice ?

[meager garden]

I wanna play the game where Mel went full goop

[devout abyss]

see da bones

[meager garden]

goopy arm

[devout abyss]

it looks cool

[raven perch]

They should have! It’s far more important than the shades thing imo

[meager garden]

chat do you imagine her arm more as like, jello, or ghostly fire

[solemn fractal]

It will entail Icarus performing a Dragon Install like Ky does in Guilty Gear Strive

[raven perch]

Why does Mel want to fly with Icarus? What is so captivating about this to her? I want to know!

[devout abyss]

i think it probably feels the same as normal flesh

[solemn fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/ky-kiske-guilty-gear-strive-dragon-install-gif-25100360

[devout abyss]

i think she has a crush on icarus

[meager garden]

he can princess carry her

[raven perch]

But Whyyyy

[sharp cosmos]

Why wouldn't you want to if that was in the field of possibility ?

[devout abyss]

? have you seen him

[meager garden]

because childhood friends offscreen

[bronze oak]

imagine seeing eris flying around every night bypassing all of your hard work and not wanting to fly too

[wispy storm]

heard*

[raven perch]

I mean yeah he’s hot but Mel’s surrounded by hot people. I’m more interested in the elements of their relationship that speak to her own internal ambitions

[devout abyss]

is this a command

[sharp cosmos]

Yeah, if I forget the negation in my sentence it makes no sense

[solemn fractal]

tbh i could see an overachiever like mel just want to be able to let loose for once and flying feels like the perfect way for her to be able to learn a skill and enjoy it w/o having to worry about the titan of time for once

[devout abyss]

name 1 other hot person in hades 2

[meager garden]

eh I think the hot people around Mel are kinda boring tbh

[bright fern]

i think it’s interesting to me at least that she’s so interested in flying as a goddess of the underworld and whose work as a witch means she gains strength from the bounties of the earth

[raven perch]

I get that, but Mel is the one actively telling Icarus to stop worrying about her and to focus on the war

[bright fern]

idk. Mel’s very earthy

[meager garden]

or not in it for the long run LMAO

[hearty fog]

Prometheus, and I don't mean 'cause of the fire.

[solemn fractal]

? wait when

[hearty fog]

Also Circe.

[bronze oak]

not my babygirlr eris 🙏

[sharp cosmos]

There's also their opposition.
She lives but only for her mission, he died for his freedom

[raven perch]

When he’s worried about her at low health

[spiral canopy]

eris likers unite

[raven perch]

Yup yup

[solemn fractal]

oh that's kinda cute, but yeah that's Mel in combat

[devout abyss]

is it not clear that mel wants to fly so that she can be happy?

[solemn fractal]

Mel wants to fly out of combat

[cursive kayak]

that’s the thing though. I don’t think mel is capable of taking a break

[wispy storm]

honestly eris is running in terms of character intrigue she's my current favorite crossroads-er

[meager garden]

mel wants to fly so she can avoid anchors, that's my best guess

[solemn fractal]

Ngl Mel kinda reminds me of a very studious prep kid on verge of a crashout

[sharp cosmos]

Yeah, the flying element is 100% for her and her only, she doesn't think one second about weaponizing it

[raven perch]

But why would it make her happy? Is kinda the question. Does she want freedom like Icarus? Does she want the experience?

She once said she dreamed of sailing the seas, so I imagine she wants to explore the world

[meager garden]

hecate is the only crossroader I really love

[sharp cosmos]

Counterpoint : Flustered Nemesis

[devout abyss]

"You know, you've changed. You seem... more full of life. I catch these glimpses of your face while you're in flight, and... it's like there's a joy in you I never saw before."

"Heh, well... there's the flying, which admittedly doesn't get old... and then there's seeing you, taking on the legions of Chronos single-handedly. Using all your training. Wow..."

"I didn't take them on single-handedly, Icarus, but... it's good to know about the flying! It must be exhilarating."

[solemn fractal]

like if she went to college away from home she really would prob get into something insane

[meager garden]

probably not happening I think

[wispy storm]

eh i havent been fully sold

[granite mauve]

chat why doesnt chronos just place his instant kill safezone off screen and win instantly, is he stupid?

[raven perch]

That’s about how she likes seeing Icarus fly, she’s happy he’s happy

[solemn fractal]

fair, she has a lot of discipline

[wispy storm]

id book front row seats to see mel crash out

[meager garden]

that's what I'm saying, bro

[devout abyss]

read into it

[bronze oak]

i thought everyone universally loved nemesis but ig not

[solemn fractal]

do you know how embarassing it would be to admit you have to basically cheat to win lmao

[raven perch]

So is the idea just that she wants to take part in that happiness?

[sharp cosmos]

And that's perfectly fine tbh

[devout abyss]

that's what i thought was going on

[broken glen]

I feel like Typhon could kill Mel really easily if he wasn’t just using his tongue

[meager garden]

I just don't see this game as the type where characters have incredibly emotional breakdowns/crashouts. Didn't happen in hades 1 either

[raven perch]

To what extent do you mean? Mel’s speaking about life, which is a key bit about why she did the incantation

[solemn fractal]

maybe i want him to use that tongue

[raven perch]

I mean Eris did cry already

[sharp cosmos]

Isn't he using only his face especially because Olympus as a whole occupies all the other body parts ?

[meager garden]

I mean it is some juicy dps time

[broken glen]

His hand comes in sometimes

[granite mauve]

tongue of typhon is the 1.0 miniboss

[meager garden]

and his tail

[sharp cosmos]

and tail too yeah

[solemn fractal]

what have i done?

[raven perch]

Typhon is sexy alright

[sharp cosmos]

But i think that the fight is "easy" especially because its body is occupied

[meager garden]

tongue of typhon is the secret boss, like Charon

[granite mauve]

PRAYING to the gods that summit gets more fleshed out in 1.0

[broken glen]

We’ve established this

[bright fern]

typhon’s tongue is a lol otamatone, so cute

[meager garden]

maybe an npc, that's about it

[raven perch]

It shouldn’t even be controversial

[solemn fractal]

but that's honestly peak i love how the final layer is literally a monster so humongous his newborns and single bodyparts are minibosses

[granite mauve]

[sharp cosmos]

You've just stirred the pot, people were always bothered by monsters

[meager garden]

what do you even want out of summit lol

[raven perch]

Typhon Pregnant ❓⁉️

[solemn fractal]

they have to get more fleshed out, hell we literally end on Olympus

[granite mauve]

he is giving birth at all times

[broken glen]

The daddy of all monsters

[granite mauve]

spawn of typhon comes back every other run

[bronze oak]

i want a summit npc

[solemn fractal]

mpreg in hades 2? is this game le woke???

[raven perch]

Hades mpreg rep

[meager garden]

reminds me of that time saying "how stupid" it was that Typhon was laying eggs because he was a guy

[raven perch]

Summit npc is Hermes I still stand by it

[devout abyss]

throw me to the spawn of typhon i'll come back pregnant

[meager garden]

(I think they just hate fighting adds)

[raven perch]

Seahorses???

[granite mauve]

its zagreus!!!!

[devout abyss]

i hope zagreus is a cardboard cutout cosmetic that you buy for 10000000000000000 prestige

[sharp cosmos]

Nuh uh, how can the game be woke, Hypnos is literally always asleep smh

[solemn fractal]

zag and dio are actually just chilling

[bronze oak]

zag isnt getting anywhere near that monster hes staying home and getting pegged by meg

[meager garden]

wait is typhon a trans icon

[granite mauve]

I so badly want zagreus to finally experience the surface

[devout abyss]

no

[raven perch]

no

[meager garden]

lays eggs
is daddy

[solemn fractal]

the woke left??? without even saying hi???

[raven perch]

He’s seahorse coded

[devout abyss]

you may be confused about transgender

[solemn fractal]

little spoon energy tbh

[devout abyss]

who tf changed my name

[raven perch]

Call 1-800-Tran-Gender

[devout abyss]

oh i did

[broken glen]

Dementia

[raven perch]

Ry what are you talking about

[devout abyss]

who is the mentia

[sharp cosmos]

Least demented hades ii player

[meager garden]

ok but who put the eggs there

[raven perch]

Echidna

[devout abyss]

everyone keeps saying i have dementia

[solemn fractal]

ngl i know it's cliche and doesn't make sense but i still want a zag boss fight

[meager garden]

hm ok can't argue with that

[sharp cosmos]

It's me, sorry

[devout abyss]

ive never had dementia not even twice

[granite mauve]

zag should be like nem but on the surface! (unlimited coping)

[meager garden]

Zag should be the summit npc

[raven perch]

Heracles is Nem on the surface
Quite frankly we need more uw npcs

[bright fern]

i think the only way i can rationalise zag in this game gameplay wise is as a secret boss

[broken glen]

Nem but he dies from surface exposure in the middle of the encounter 💀

[raven perch]

I’d be disappointed but not surprised

[devout abyss]

ohhhh we could cook him in the pot

[raven perch]

Ooooh

[granite mauve]

TAKEN BY THE STYX (and the narrator)

[raven perch]

Zag soup! Tastes like blood

[sharp cosmos]

Zag is the rework of VOR Cerby, he'll beat you to death and beyond for even trying to hurt the dog

[solemn fractal]

mel is hallucinating zag because of typhon's effects?

[bright fern]

when he hits us with the double divine dash deflect

[meager garden]

Zag will only give mid as hell npc boons

[solemn fractal]

bro that is blood

[raven perch]

Zag gives no boons you just steal cash off his corpse

[granite mauve]

double dash...

[devout abyss]

remember that person who was really upset about fighting cerb and was adamant that you COULD fight cerb in EA H1 but it was changed due to feedback

[broken glen]

Double dash…

[solemn fractal]

my GOAT could never be mid

[granite mauve]

zag will give mirror of night upgrades

[raven perch]

Zag is famously mid

[broken glen]

Yep

[meager garden]

Your cast is now the blood diamond

[sharp cosmos]

+1.3% Dem damage, only if you have exactly 3 fire elem, wednesday from 1 pm to 1:47 pm

[devout abyss]

mel vs goku ?

[raven perch]

..why would zag give that and not nyx

[solemn fractal]

and it would be peak

[granite mauve]

because... its his upgrades

[raven perch]

The Hades cast boon is basically the bloodstone

[meager garden]

zag will give the pact of punishment so we can do both heat and fear

[sharp cosmos]

Sadly goku has drip, therefore he won

[granite mauve]

just like hades has his own upgrades that he obtained in a different way

[solemn fractal]

heart attack curse

[sharp cosmos]

It's basic science

[granite mauve]

medea aspect wipes the floor with goku

[solemn fractal]

when v1.0 has arachne dresses mel will finally get drip

ngl i kinda wanna marry medea

[meager garden]

goku has too many immune phases I think

people would cry and then die

[granite mauve]

goku appearing as a special guest on scyllas show

[solemn fractal]

Ultra instinct has doge % at 100

[sharp cosmos]

wdym would, I already do that

[meager garden]

his kamehameha is like Prom memory game but harder

which people already whine about all the time

[solemn fractal]

Prometheus: Meet my friend Goku he came here to help me

[bright fern]

how vor3 surface should’ve been

[meager garden]

oh god I am not ready for people to say that prom memory game is an accessbility issue

[solemn fractal]

light ray is just weak kamahameha
lunar eclispe might be solar ray

[solemn fractal]

just pause the game and write it down brah

[sharp cosmos]

Everything to hate on that pattern, uh ?

[merry whale]

prom memory game is one of the few moves (if not the only move) that isn't even affected by frenzy it is so free

[raven perch]

At this point I can kinda predict the actual numbers too

[solemn fractal]

rift of thessaly is an accessibility issue cuz im allergic to mid

[bright fern]

honestly I’ve been worried about how this game will received accessibility-wise coz it’s def harder than the first game

that being said i love the memory game

[meager garden]

I've just seen people say they literally cannot memorize for that long, it's completely impossible, this game is so unfair
and then they do it the following day

[sharp cosmos]

My man here has the gift of foresight, didn't even try to tame an eagle, smh

[merry whale]

thessaly is one of my highlights of surface runs tbh

[granite mauve]

dressed to kill achievement...

[raven perch]

They never do the same safe spot 3 times in a row

[solemn fractal]

eh it's not too difficult, just different
and i do think the more it's played the more you like it cuz meli has insane dps potential

[merry whale]

can't be worse than silksong

[sharp cosmos]

I find H2 easier than the first at this point, despite having 3 times more on the first

[raven perch]

Skorng

[meager garden]

definitely the same for me, Mel is a lot more powerful at base compared to zag

[bright fern]

i mean i personally think the difficulty in this game is not bad but I’ve also got an ungodly number of hours on h1 and most new players of h2 will not be like that, so

[granite mauve]

theres a bit less rng with high fear compared to high heat it feels like

[solemn fractal]

ong we need to burn dowl pharloom esp bilewater

[meager garden]

Hades 1 I feel like I need to grind a bit to get enough upgrades to start having good runs
Hades 2 you can go deep kinda from the get go

[solemn fractal]

most new players prob did play h1 and enjoyed it, but if their just dropping in it may be hard

[raven perch]

I think H2 is much easier than H1 but then again I have almost 4x as many hours in H2

[sharp cosmos]

I can't really speak to that, I did 32h once and was gravitating towards 16, now I did 32f once but gravitating towards 24

[solemn fractal]

yeah the general strength of boons has increased ngl and the omega moves add a lot more damage

[granite mauve]

main difference is you actually get to pick your boons at high fear in this game 😂

[solemn fractal]

so it's easy to get far earlier
plus cast is so useful

[meager garden]

like Hades 2 felt the need to add Eris to slow us down, which I think indicates that they know progressing through zones will be easier this time

[bright fern]

yesss the overall boon design in this game is so much better

[pure frigate]

Whyy my hades 2 in switchhh iss downloadinggg

[bright fern]

i was watching the sgg anniversary stream looking at the h1 boons like “man tf is this 😭”

[solemn fractal]

gods decided to lock tf in cuz mel was their best hope

[meager garden]

plus just comparing zones 1 to 1
Erebus vs Tartarus
Oceanus vs Asphodel
Fields vs Elysium
Tartarus vs Temple of Styx

[granite mauve]

they were giving leftovers to zag but premium vintage to mel

[meager garden]

the h2 UW zones are just easier, 1:1 comparing them

[solemn fractal]

verses giving my silly little zag man more strength for fun

[granite mauve]

except athena with DIVINE DASH

[sharp cosmos]

Elysium my behated.
Me and all my Shades hate Elysium

[solemn fractal]

your brother's favorite

[meager garden]

you don't like getting run over by explosive cars?

[sharp cosmos]

Surprisingly, no

[merry whale]

elysium and their chariots

[solemn fractal]

ngl id kill for hades 2 cast in hades 1

although that does clear the entire game

[sharp cosmos]

The only thing I'm missing from Elysium is the 1v1 against Minos

[raven perch]

I miss eris

[merry whale]

in retrospect it's funny an entire item was dedicated to removing chariots but also kinda dumb lolol

[meager garden]

having a story related midboss is cool, yeah

[raven perch]

You mean Asterius right

[sharp cosmos]

I wish we could 1v1 against Nem for "elite" boons like it was against Minos, like, good sporting match and all

[raven perch]

Minos was his stepdad

[granite mauve]

getting a room full of those with the pact that gives enemies blue hearts

[sharp cosmos]

Yep, I did a stupid

[meager garden]

like it might be cool if chronos could also be a midboss, to try to stop us early

[raven perch]

The father that stepped down

[bright fern]

unrelated but man f__k charybdis

[solemn fractal]

ngl i do like most of the bosses more in H1 cuz they had so much more energy
like they seemed like consumate professsionals

[sharp cosmos]

For your general health and wellbeing, don't do that

[raven perch]

That’s why Eris is my darling

[raven perch]

Not into tentacles i see

[meager garden]

I think surface bosses clear h1 bosses though

[granite mauve]

prometheus is the GOAT

but nobody can match theseus energy

[raven perch]

For me it kinda feels like Surface is the true route and Uw is just far less developed

[solemn fractal]

hnmmm maybe prometheus and eris

[raven perch]

Which is crazy because UW is the narrative focused one

[meager garden]

I found UW to be a bit underwhelming and Surface was exactly what I was looking for

[solemn fractal]

actually prometheus and polyphemus

[merry whale]

love surface bosses, my olympus aflame and winged apprentice and sightless shepherd

[sharp cosmos]

Honestly, despite the theme of Chronos being so good, I'm missing Hades' insane riffs.
Like, EM4 Hades was making my blood pump

[raven perch]

Chronos theme is boring

I miss the heavy metal

[meager garden]

same

[granite mauve]

we're killing you for this

[raven perch]

Do it punk

[meager garden]

with hammers?

[granite mauve]

with hammers.

[solemn fractal]

well tbf on surface ur fighting the king of all monsters and a natural calamity while on the uw ur fighting ur chopped grandpa

[raven perch]

Gonna hit me with that big bat? Better make it hurt. Better kill me in one shot.

[meager garden]

lowkey though chronos phase 3 is the least interesting one

[sharp cosmos]

Also, I don't like Poly.
He's portrayed as your standard antagonist, fighting you because he wins either way, but have no real incentive past cruelty justified by basic needs, it's kinda boring

[bright fern]

i really like what mourning fields and tartarus add in terms of switching up the pace of biomes, but after a while Oceanus and Erebus are so meh

[crude dragon]

Yeah, Medea gives me "Morticia Addams but has actually killed people" vibes

[raven perch]

It’s kinda random bullsh go yeah

[solemn fractal]

ngl not many themes really stuck with me in H2, but Moonlight Guide Us and Scylla songs are peak

[granite mauve]

erebus is EVIL

[meager garden]

titan of time
overthrower of hades
father of the olympians

why is he so uncool

[raven perch]

Moonlight Guide Us is also boring as hell

[solemn fractal]

ong can i be her Gomez plz plz plz

[merry whale]

damn i love 3rd phase

[raven perch]

“We are the sisters.. sisters so cool… you are safe…” like yeah thanks arty cool

[bright fern]

woah woah i meant at 0 fear

[raven perch]

She’s just stimming this is her stim song

[granite mauve]

im not going to lie anybody who says the h1 soundtrack is better feels like rose tinted glasses to me

[raven perch]

It is better

[meager garden]

I like him, he's a classic henchman-type character, but he's kinda chill?

[raven perch]

Cuz it has On the Coast

[solemn fractal]

for some reason he's really lame
like unironically even after beating daddy dearest multiple times, he had aura and menace
chronos feels lame from the get-go

[bright fern]

lowkey agree but you didn’t hear me say that

[crude dragon]

But Hades 2 has On the Coast 2

[raven perch]

It doesn’t

[crude dragon]

Mountain of the Gods is literally an arrangement of On the Coast

[raven perch]

I think Chronos being lame is really funny

[bright fern]

hades 1 has less music but better bang for your buck quality wise

[raven perch]

Yeah but it’s not as good. It’s just the same leitmotif used for something less grand and climactic

[merry whale]

i do think chronos rapid teleport move is kinda dumb and should not be an available move mid fight but otherwise chronos 3rd phase is super cool

[granite mauve]

I really disagree

[sharp cosmos]

Meh. Lack of actual motivation, lack of depth, is cruel for the sake of it, opportunist, and that's about it. He's very one-sided compared to everyone else I feel

[bright fern]

that’s fair

[raven perch]

Yeah but he’s funny

[meager garden]

I like him better than scylla at least, who feels very one-note

[solemn fractal]

ngl i like that in a game about passionate antagonists and idealogy there's this one mf that's def in it just for the check
and he's got a great working relationship with medea all good stuff

[meager garden]

also I love his voice

[bright fern]

feels very hades 1 in a sense

[raven perch]

I love Poly and Medea’s relationship they are frens who are buds

[granite mauve]

hades 1 soundtrack is good but for me a lot of the songs blend together after a while and hades 2 not so much

[meager garden]

I really disagree

[raven perch]

I feel H2 has that problem farrr more

[solemn fractal]

like "Bro I'm here for some food and some fun and nothing else"

[meager garden]

I also kind of disagree, I think they're about equal in terms of ost

[raven perch]

Though to be fair I don’t remember any of the ambient songs from either game all that well 😅

[granite mauve]

idk lol I look at the music player in hades 1 and all the songs on the left side sound the same

[meager garden]

orpheus clears artemis though

[bright fern]

guys that one variant of theseus’s boss music with the 16 count guitar riff. It’s too peam

[solemn fractal]

they seem like the coworkers u never would think interact outside of work until u found out they're drinking buddies

[raven perch]

Arty has the same singing voice as Eurydice and that bothers me

[sharp cosmos]

I actually love Scylla, for her desillusion & passion. Like, she's gonna ignore reality and just try to rewrite it because she's able to, like how she was able to shut the sirens up and be the sole voice of the trio.

[bright fern]

eurydice clears artemis

[solemn fractal]

fair but signing moonlight guide us with artemis is peak

[raven perch]

Why does she sing American

I don’t like Moonlight Guide Us as a song!!!

[solemn fractal]

it's just so lovely

[raven perch]

I think it’s really boring

[sharp cosmos]

Because even in Hell, America is number 1

[bright fern]

dw i agree

[solemn fractal]

no funny jokes let's kill him immediamente

[solemn fractal]

u too

[raven perch]

I will let you

[granite mauve]

rage of the myrmidons is the most underrated track in hades 1 btw

[meager garden]

she's so delusional but like, literally just that
I think Lernie has more going on than her

[solemn fractal]

...u wanna talk about that

[raven perch]

The lyrics to Moonlight are superficial and meaningless

The melody is repetitive

[meager garden]

no I agree too Moonlight Guide Us is too low energy

it's bad lobby music, imo

[devout abyss]

the worst part of moonlight guide us is when melinoe takes a big ol breath in the middle of the word solitude

[raven perch]

It’s an easy song to sing, I sing it myself sometimes

[bright fern]

it was cute until i actually listened to the lyrics

Eurydice supremacy!!

[granite mauve]

what song in hades isnt easy to sing

[raven perch]

Which bit changed your mind

[raven perch]

Hymn to Zagreus

[devout abyss]

sightless shepherd

[sharp cosmos]

I like its monotony personally, it feels like the waves dictated by the moon, something tranquil, melancholic, far from the chaos outside, just the waves washing out the emotion so you can focus again

[raven perch]

The seeeeed of dionysus grewweeww

[meager garden]

The End of time

[granite mauve]

and thats why its the GOAT

[meager garden]

that's why it's not that good

[bright fern]

idk i just agree that the song doesn’t really Say anything, nothingburger lyrics

[raven perch]

Darren Korb has a powerfully strong falsetto

[solemn fractal]

Wow, look at another hater. Scylla is a talented individual trying to break out in a world filled with nepo babies (like a certain blonde mop-haired individual who will not be mentioned by name) and this is the respect she gets? If your ears were better you'd be able to understand the lyrical genius in her work. Please shut up before you keep embarassing yourself.
Sincerely,
a low-key Scylla fan

[meager garden]

I'm one of those guys that kinda needs a melody to get pumped I think

[bright fern]

not until you’ve heard my vocal cover

[cerulean lake]

Scylla they could never make me hate u

[meager garden]

she makes good music but her attitude could use some work

[raven perch]

All the songs in H1 were thematically resonant (well, most. See: Hymn to Zagreus) but with H2 I just don’t see any reigning motifs

[solemn fractal]

nah i like the crossroads being chill
the entirety of H2 combat is incredibly fast paced so a slow break does help tonally for me

[solemn fractal]

God forbid a woman be assertive

[meager garden]

isn't that just more diversity in the music though

[granite mauve]

thank god for that

[sharp cosmos]

I love how I basically said how I respected that she had the willpower to change the scene around her and got scolded for it

[devout abyss]

yo i hate hymn of zagreus

[meager garden]

she tries to kill me specifically at every concert

[raven perch]

No because it makes the story feel far less developed imo

[sharp cosmos]

Albeit her willpower is blended with ego, hence the disillusion

[bright fern]

here go the Scylla haters wanting women to change their behaviour to be more presentable to the general public 🙄

[raven perch]

If you’re gonna do music in your story you gotta think like a musical alright

[meager garden]

*delusion

[granite mauve]

I swear half the hades 1 songs only use 2 instruments

[cerulean lake]

Isnt there a lot less sung music in h2? Especially if we remove scyllas songs which are mostly about beating melinoe to death

[solemn fractal]

God forbid a woman be extremely assertive

[solemn fractal]

but those are the best ones

[raven perch]

…why would you remove scylla if you’re talking about sung music

[meager garden]

she's also the worst boss fight in the game(unrivaled)

[raven perch]

That’s like saying “let’s talk about Hades but remove the Olympians”

[sharp cosmos]

You know what I really miss from H1's soundtrack ? Eury & Orphy's duo in Asphodel

[solemn fractal]

that's just really mean

[bright fern]

darren korb in h1 loved himself a theremin, shaker, electric guitar and electric drum kit

[meager garden]

honestly in hades 1 you maybe could just remove them lol

[solemn fractal]

no joke just genuinely mean

[devout abyss]

there are 4 songs in both h1 and h2

[crude dragon]

Just always get Hestia Godsent in every run, EZ

[raven perch]

Song of the Isles and the Deep?

And of the Sirens

[cerulean lake]

Extremely true

Not totally removing them just that her music as an enemy boss is more focused on her.
But its a wash, i really thought even with scyllas songs included, h2 has less sung songs than h1

[sharp cosmos]

And play with Sisyphus' shackles, because sisyphus is the king (literally)

[solemn fractal]

dude it feels so godo esp when u see them singing it alone and then singing it together so harmoniously it;s the sweetest feeling ever

[solemn fractal]

shackle is peak
got me my first boonles run

[sharp cosmos]

(Never did boonless, I'm a coward)

[granite mauve]

shackle is just aphrodite since everything other than her core boons and duos are useless in h1

[solemn fractal]

try it trust me it's a lot of fun

[solemn fractal]

aphro really ah a glow up huh

[devout abyss]

i didnt know those had lyrics

[cerulean lake]

Ive never tried boonless or without arcana...
I kinda want to try 😭 i cant beat typhon yet but ive played so much ea that its getting a bit dull

[granite mauve]

hades soundtrack enjoyers have never listened to the soundtrack

[meager garden]

I do it like once a week when I hike, dawg

[solemn fractal]

try nem sword with boonless shattered shackle i believe in u

[devout abyss]

i dont really enjoy the hades soundtrack

[meager garden]

they're about even

[cerulean lake]

I love listening to the soundtrack 99% of my listening sessions just happen while im getting beaten to death

[solemn fractal]

oh look at this guy mantaining healthy habits whoa how cool

[bright fern]

i love listening to the bg music in Oceanus to find out what song I’m getting for the Scylla fight, it’s fun

[sharp cosmos]

Another wannabe that doesn't play the game smh.
Don't even know that Glowup is actually a Heph status and not Aphro

[solemn fractal]

im a fraud beat me to death with adamant shards

[granite mauve]

breaks an ambrosia bottle over your head

[solemn fractal]

aw thanks always wanted to try that stuff

[granite mauve]

youre welcome

[cerulean lake]

I cant even keep all the boon names straight 😭 pure vibes based approach

[solemn fractal]

bruh could you imagine meli explaining to hecate that she chooses based on vibes

[granite mauve]

only really need to remember the tier 2 boon names

[solemn fractal]

so funny

[cerulean lake]

I know what most of them do but.. Their names....

Though i didnt play the last 1-2 major patches as much so honestly, theres a lot of updated boons/boon interactions im just not as familiar with.

Saving it for v1

[meager garden]

idk most of the boons except the most notables ones I think

[raven perch]

I know what boons are

😎

[meager garden]

like pyro technique, air quality, worry free, uh, winner's circle, maybe some others

[granite mauve]

boons are the things that icarus makes right

[raven perch]

Racing thoughts

[cerulean lake]

We're doing a great service by representing the silent 80% just vibing their way through hades

[raven perch]

Hereditary bane, extended family, fine line

[meager garden]

if I don't recognize a boon it's probably mid

[raven perch]

Meat grinder

Prominence flare

[cerulean lake]

Plasma

[raven perch]

Local climate

Visceral impact

[granite mauve]

thermal dynamics 🔥

[meager garden]

Born Gain is the only gain I consistently call by its actual name lol

[raven perch]

I forget the names of the core boons funnily enough

[cerulean lake]

I barely know athenas boons or athena boon meta ive met her like. 3 times.

[granite mauve]

nobody remembers those

[raven perch]

Oh me too

[meager garden]

Dem Gain
Apollo Gain
Aphro Gain

Born Gain

[cerulean lake]

Literally

[raven perch]

Tranquil, Lucid, glamour

[cerulean lake]

I think thats from dragon age

[raven perch]

Gay

[meager garden]

yeah I'm not remembering that

[raven perch]

Is not that hard

[granite mauve]

core boons almost everyone just calls them "god attack god special god cast god sprint"

[raven perch]

Glamour Gain is even alliterative

Passion ring, passion rush

Smoulder Ring, Heat Rush

Still miss “Soot Sprint” it was such a better name

Cryo Pounder…

I should make a tier list just judging the boon names

[cerulean lake]

My brain just skims the names honestly
Though i did remember soot sprint

[broken glen]

I like rapture ring a lot

[cerulean lake]

Gun to my head rn only thing i remember is air quality and that was because i had specifically checked here if it was as good as i thought it was

[broken glen]

Name the ares x heph duo 🔫

Name Hera’s attack boon 🔫

[raven perch]

Coffin Nail

[broken glen]

I do like that one

[raven perch]

I can’t 😔

[broken glen]

Good name

[cerulean lake]

goodbye cruel world

[raven perch]

Coffin nail is s tier

[broken glen]

Sworn strike. Like how you’re sworn in marriage

[meager garden]

chat name the zeus aphro duo

[cerulean lake]

Heras attack boon gives hitch aaaand... A percent buff?

[raven perch]

Ohhh yeah

[meager garden]

yeah

I know the gist of all the cores, at least

[cerulean lake]

See I remember the important bits

[broken glen]

It’s the one where you run into an enemy with blitz to trigger it… maybe I’d remember the name if it was useful

[raven perch]

Isn’t that like a better merciful end???

[cerulean lake]

Oh i forget that
Its so rare for me to chase aphro boons
And idk if i havent hit the fun Zeus boon combos but i just dont super enjoy Zeus runs even if hes strong

[broken glen]

You’re just gonna end up getting hit. Blitz is easy to activate anyway

[raven perch]

Just don’t get hit

[cerulean lake]

Thank god for blitz buff, i think og blitz is at least partially why i dont zeus

[raven perch]

Or tank it

[meager garden]

chat, aphro or apollo rn

[broken glen]

What aspect

[meager garden]

in general, for attack and special

[raven perch]

Aph

[broken glen]

Apollo is aspect dependent

[raven perch]

I play in closer range anyway

[broken glen]

Aphrodite is good unless it’s like a ranged special

But you can generally slot her in

[meager garden]

idk I just see a lot of apollo at the moment

[broken glen]

He is very fun

[cerulean lake]

You can always build to always near
But yeah i think aph always good
And i like her duos more

[broken glen]

With nergal and whatnot

[meager garden]

yeah apollo nergal, apollo morrigan

[raven perch]

Apollo is good on Nergal which is new so recency bias kicks in

[broken glen]

Apollo shiva is fun (either attack or special)

[cerulean lake]

Is apollo particularly good for any non secret aspects?

[meager garden]

still which aspects would you use aphro on at the moment?

[merry whale]

i find charon likes apollo a lot

in general daze leads into a very nice blast duo

[raven perch]

Nergal

lol

[cerulean lake]

Oh that makes sense
I like apollo on axe sometimes but i wonder if i use it like a crutch

[meager garden]

you see I'm a scaredy cat so the smaller range of aphro nergal makes me scared

[raven perch]

It’s so good though

[meager garden]

ik, ik

[merry whale]

idk it strong so it works out

[cerulean lake]

Ughhh i wanna play h2
1 more week!!!!

[meager garden]

still, apollo and aphro kinda fill similar niches where they generally go on closerange/melee weapons I think, both rewarding big % boosts

and both of their attack/special just give %, without a curse

[merry whale]

o also mel staff

[cerulean lake]

Yea i like it on mel staff a lot
I dont think ive really used apollo on daggers

[raven perch]

It’s soo good on Morrigan it’s crazy

[meager garden]

I'm trying to think, what would you put on something like Mel Blades

[raven perch]

Apollo attack + final slice

[broken glen]

Aphro

[merry whale]

thermal dynamics

[meager garden]

Mel Blades already comes with a high % boost if you get backstabs

[cerulean lake]

I need to brush up on what & how daze interacts

[merry whale]

sister blades also like blast builds

[meager garden]

too bad we don't have a god whose attack/special gives power

[merry whale]

forced to slow cooker

[cerulean lake]

Yea w mels blades i think i usually drift towards aggressive boons that get better w lots of hits?
Hot minute since ive used daggers, i struggle a bit more with them

[meager garden]

Blades:

• Low Power
• High Attack Rate
• Low Range
• Mel Aspect gives large % bonus already

it's kind of a weird mix that doesn't lean towards a god

[broken glen]

Slow cooker

Scorch attack is fun

Cardio gain for a full bar in one attack combo

It’s hestia-pilled

[meager garden]

wait does scorch get buffed by backstabs

[broken glen]

No

[merry whale]

they should buff hestia again in 1.0

[meager garden]

damn that'd be cool

[broken glen]

But slow cooker works with it

[meager garden]

I hope they buff smolder ring

I kind of expect smolder ring to like, start stacking up some scorch, but it consumes stacks faster than it can apply them

[merry whale]

smolder ring's really good rn but i feel like they're gonna rework it

[cerulean lake]

This is why i don't bother remembering anything

[meager garden]

eh Hestia is on the mind of a lot of people because she is omega juiced this patch

I definitely can't talk the same about someone like Demeter lol

[cerulean lake]

Oh absolutely i played a bit of hestia
Great vindication cuz ive liked scorch since day 1 despite being objectively in a bad place

[merry whale]

like smolder's bugged rn where global buffs also apply to the scorch application itself, which doesn't do much for common but does a lot for rare/epic

[meager garden]

I just know that dem cast is good, gust is good secondary, and she has the cool bubble shield

oh and plentiful forage doesn't work with scars on anymore

[merry whale]

my recent froth mel staff run had like lv 2 rare smolder w lv 1 common pyro tech and it still built up

[cerulean lake]

I remembered what smolder ring does
I beat the robot miniboss by just spamming smolder ring so thats probably not ideal for sgg 😔 but i love it so 😔

[meager garden]

you took poseidon attack?

or wait, poseidon special?

[merry whale]

sidon flourish ye

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1418330680978309271/image.png

[meager garden]

isn't mel better for a big % boost

[merry whale]

ye

[meager garden]

whoa 62 fear

[merry whale]

i was bored and wanted to make sidon work

[cerulean lake]

What are poseidons main boons ideal for?

[meager garden]

high attack rate
similar niche to hestia imo

[raven perch]

Things that hit quickly

[merry whale]

crying tidal ring is prob best boon from poseidon

[raven perch]

Like Hel

[merry whale]

instant damage + instant froth proc

[cerulean lake]

Taking notes ty
I havent played w froth much other than knowing its good

[meager garden]

idk, I still feel like froth seems kinda bad, the numbers just never really pop off

[merry whale]

froth is in a funny place rn where it never makes it to top damage but still makes enough of a difference in battle

like in my run blitz got beaten by froth but blitz was def still doing numbers

[meager garden]

Froth is 25% chance per hit of 50 damage

Blitz is like 120 damage every second if you're constantly popping it
idk

[merry whale]

ye, slippery slope can buff it up to like 80 or so, i think epic makes it go to 100

it's also that splash comes w its own dmg output too, i had it on 50 at epic

it super ripped thru bosses tho, like it was insane how much damage i was doing on chronos lol

[meager garden]

interesting

[merry whale]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxobjM7eo1Q3E79pXI0U8DlCTV4Yrdtbhi?si=zaqXUV46BLliIQJO

[cerulean lake]

wonder how diff game balance will be
wait i can look at h1 patch notes

[solemn fractal]

blitz w/ than axe is insane ngl

got it with the speed slash hammer and the hermes boon for increased attack speed insanity

[cerulean lake]

25% per hit is honestly so chancey compared to everything else

[merry whale]

25% chance is daunting but honestly as long as ur hitting often it's like not an issue at all

it counts any source of damage (that's not scorch or steam) to hit froth

[tropic axle]

If I get Mirrored Thrasher (2 attacks at a time for 5 Magick per strike) and Extra Dose boon (% chance to hit 2 times at once) do they stack or is it a waste to get both?

[merry whale]

my intuition says extra dose should stack w mirrored

[cerulean lake]

Agree but i think thats a major bit of it, the things you need in place for froth to do well are a bit stricter than other major boons

[merry whale]

altho extra dose chance kinda sucks,,

[merry whale]

ye, i mean since froth has an icd anyway inbetween u don't need to worry too much about it

[cerulean lake]

The wiki says extra dose counts as another attack that procs on thrasher

Now im wondering if thrasher can proc extra dose

[merry whale]

if sidon's ur main damage ur probably gonna just have him on cast lol

ig my thoughts on froth t2 is that it's not terrible but more annoying to set up

[atomic river]

how do i like look at my record of runs

i remeber seeing it once but i cant figure out how to do again

[merry whale]

there's a record keeper around the bottom left of the tavern

[slim pike]

comparing froth to blitz is a ittle unfair, really you should be comparing waves and froth to blitz if you're using slippery slope

(They also need to rename that boon)

[meager garden]

Sure I suppose but I still feel like blitz + 1 secondary would generally be stronger than waves + slippery slope

[atomic river]

how do i get the incantatinon for reading all boons?? ive gifted every single god i got every keepsake aswell

the only keepsake i dont have is the fig leaf but i dbout that changes anything

[verbal rampart]

Strange. According to the wikia you're supposed to have the incantation

[atomic river]

Idk what to do this guy on yt says to buy ambrosia from the shop dude but I alr have 6

[verbal rampart]

Maybe it's a bug!

Because that's strange, the wikia simply says "Offer Nectar to Olympians + Chaos and consult the Book of Shadows"

[peak moat]

have you gifted to hermes, artemis and chaos?

[marsh spear]

Oh wow it releases an hour sooner than expected

[meager garden]

it releases right now

[marsh spear]

I wish dude, I wish

[hollow lily]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-sfm-team-fortress-2-meme-gif-13778112899828171612

Bad take

[meager garden]

You're saying you dont like nergal doing huge bonk on crowds miles away?

[hollow lily]

I love nergal

Probably my favorite aspect of the 4

[limpid oar]

The only choice of attack boon on Nergal is Hera

Hitch

[meager garden]

hera should get a secondary that makes hitch damage apply to the target 🙂

I'm sure there would be no repercussions

[limpid oar]

My fave axe has got to be Than. Slow melee weapons aren't my style and Than deviates from that with the baked in attack speed

[hollow lily]

Idk, I usually go for binding circle upgrades, curses and Daedalus Hammers

[limpid oar]

I mean i will still go for hammers and stuff when i click Hera

[hollow lily]

I honestly dk, Hera doesn't spawn much in my runs

[limpid oar]

Oh yeah I make her spawn with the keepsake. The fan is my most used keepsake by far

[hollow lily]

Yeah well, now I have to grind through their keepsakes now

[tropic axle]

Anyone know if steam achievements for the game will be released on day 1 and if they are will we be automatically rewarded based on game progress?

[lucid bronze]

apollo is my favourite

hera also pretty good though

i really like apollo omega builds on nergal

attack or special

if you get either giga cleaver or psychic whirlwind you’re set

the way i beat 32f rivals chronos for the first time was with an ospecial build just facetanking him

[buoyant matrix]

promewtheus is made, but looking at him now, I'm thinking of adding heracles too and make it unrivaled promewtheus

[toxic hedge]

21:30 IST it is

Does someone know if we'll have profile stuff like we had for Hades?

[buoyant matrix]

anything that you could've only done once will pop

all the other stuff you'll have to do again

[toxic hedge]

Story hasn't progressed enough in EA to get story achievements iirc but anything which cannot be achieved repeatedly will unlocked

[buoyant matrix]

@orchid acorn i finished promewtheus but I'm adding heracles

the headpiece of his armor is really complex so I'll do it after a short break

or maybe a long break idk

[solemn fractal]

Melinoe... I am befriending your cousin...

My name is Prometheus yo My eagle is Aetos yo Uh huh

[buoyant matrix]

promewtheus doesn't rap, he just mogs all his enemies

through nothing but aura and rizz

[solemn fractal]

of course, can't believe i mischaracterized my glorious king

i shall commit seppuku for this insult

[limpid oar]

Hera gains more value the higher in fear you go, axe can take a while to get through wards so hitch is brilliant for that + the crowded hordes 3 rooms

[patent wave]

I heard hades 2 is coming out soon but ive never played hades before, is it fine to play the second one directly?

Without playing the first one

[marsh spear]

Yes it's fine

They are related but are independent stories

[sharp cosmos]

If you're planning on playing Hades I at some point, you'll be spoiled about the start of the first game, on somewhat important plot points but unravels after, in my opinion and experience, less than 5h of gameplay

If you don't, go for the second, it's a blast

[orchid acorn]

Realistically not really. The 2nd game spoils the "ending" of the 1st game but the ending of the 1st game kinda doesn't matter. Its more about the journey TO the ending with all of the world building and characters you learn about.

I'd still recommend it regardless because it helps you learn the mechanics even if some are different, and lets you familiarize yourself with the cast which mostly returns. You only need to win 10 times in hades 1 to get the ending that matters for h2

[orchid acorn]

wokege

[patent wave]

How much play time does regular hades offer?

[orchid acorn]

Theoretically infinite, as much as the 2nd game

The game by design is so you can keep playing

[cerulean lake]

Yeah i lean towards this. In terms of story.

Very soft hints on h1
||but hades' story ends kind of exactly how you'd expect it to lol, with all interesting stuff in the details and sidequests so it doesnt feel like much to spoil||

I think h1- to hit the full full ending is probably 20-30 hours?
Depending how good you are at games

[orchid acorn]

Its hard to really put a solid number on hours to get 10 wins, if that was what you were asking

I had my first win like run 15 or something which was maybe like 4~ hours in?

if your good you cna repeat that or win sooner, but it took me another like 10 runs to repeat that win cause it was pure dumb luck of me getting a build that strong

[cerulean lake]

Yeahhh
Im on the end where im not very good, so my first win took closer to 8 probably
It took a loooong while to actually start consistently clearing on base difficulty lol

But if you just wanna knkw like. About how many hours of real entertainment youre getting? Idk. But i think at least 20-30 on average.

Easily 50+ if youre the type to enjoy grinding difficulty

[orchid acorn]

but anyway tldr the devs have repeatedly stated you can just jump directly into h2. You won't be lost at all, the game introduces the characters from the new protags POV one by one and it assumes you know nothing

granted, hades storytelling is show, not tell so you will stll be lost for some things but that was the same in hades 1 as well

playing h1 gives you more context on things but at the same time you don't NEED that context

[cerulean lake]

Agreedd
Thr game will tell you what you need to know from h1

[empty abyss]

what

[buoyant matrix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1219645494402482226/1418543714820816926/SPOILER_UnrivaledPromewtheus.png?ex=68ce8148&is=68cd2fc8&hm=8093413e130aa51dc48f5a247ea17581a5ff5f9c03b1531c8d3d75ed5dc41b69&

@orchid acorn

[empty abyss]

oh Hades yes

[buoyant matrix]

oh and @oak ivy too

[orchid acorn]

the heracles one is funnier

[buoyant matrix]

they're both together

you can't choose

all or nothing

[nimble inlet]

Damit I only get it at 7 pm!?

[nimble inlet]

Is… is that Prontmetheus!?

[marsh spear]

Prontamenteus

[buoyant matrix]

his strength is only rivaled by his aura

[marsh spear]

Whatever, my keyboard won't collaborate

[nimble inlet]

His aura is too strong

I’m so Aetos for him

I just wanna eat him up

-# well his liver

[buoyant matrix]

i didn't have any good ideas to add aetos to the pick so i gave up

[nimble inlet]

Who’s herc?

[buoyant matrix]

the rock

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-gif-25847245

[nimble inlet]

Ah

indeed

[sharp cosmos]

Rock ? So there's a chance that Bouldy impersonates Prom, you say ?

[orchid acorn]

i read that word INCREDIBLY wrong at first glance

im going back to sleep

[nimble inlet]

Oh damn

I wanna see the Bouldy in WWE

[nimble inlet]

That would be smart

Wait a minute, since when do you do smart?

Are you someone in a pronto mask?

[sharp cosmos]

I have a question regarding Zeus' boons.
How does the one that immediatly applies blitz and boosts its damage interact with, say, Pan's OSpecial w/ blitz on hit ?
The first boon apply for every hit, or just once ?

[orchid acorn]

Thats the neat part. It doesn't immediately activate blitz

[limpid folio]

promewtheus stealing the jawline of the gods to give it to mankind

[orchid acorn]

Blitz has an animation lockout that prevents blitz from being reapplied until the animation of the lightning bolt falling completes

[sharp cosmos]

There's no way to not make pan sucks I see

[orchid acorn]

So that boon, which baits you into thinking somethink that hits rapidly would be good such as pan, does almost nothing most of the time.

its useful mostly for the extra damage

[orchid acorn]

idk in a vacuum pan is kinda.... fine

like its mostly in relation to how good it felt to use pre patch not even balance wise

it was extremely clean to be able to just ospecial dashing around without being self stunned every time, or losing value if you dashed

now making it clunky AND nuking the balance of it kinda ruined its appeal, but it still kinda performs ok

just good luck at higher fears which was already the case

even a half splash pan is a tactical nuke on most bosses you will like 6 ospecial them.

[nimble inlet]

Like pronto said wouldn’t be very good, if you have the hidden aspect of the staff tho ||aspect of Anubis|| it goes very very good with blitz on attack

[sharp cosmos]

Good point, however, Circe's staff ftw

[nimble inlet]

Also Hera and then sacrifice the most boons you can of her to Zeus

[sharp cosmos]

I really should try and lean into that someday, I'm just too greedy when it comes to boon and want to keep all of them

Same went in Hades I, can't part with anything

[nimble inlet]

The DPS is crazy

[nimble inlet]

No I mean get as many boons of Hera then get the duo from Zeus

Or did you get that part?

[sharp cosmos]

I did

I said I had an issue just destroying some boons and not having them afterwards

[nimble inlet]

That’s how I got to blitz level 23 or something crazy like that

[patent wave]

By play time i mean all steam achievements

Usually thats what i go for

[nimble inlet]

and also the double lighting bolt chance level 22 or something

[orchid acorn]

the steam achievements include that previous metric and increases the playtime a lot

[nimble inlet]

Well take on purpose low level boons from her and then maybe it’ll be easier for you?

[patent wave]

As long as its not in the thousands...

[orchid acorn]

i'd ballpark like 100~

give or take, for a new player with zero hades experience maybe slightly more if not dead on

really depends on how you vibe with the gameplay

if you (Not offensively stated) suck at the gameplay it can probably double

[nimble inlet]

If I do blitz I always go ||anubis|| with Zeus Hera Aph and Poseidon in my god pool

[patent wave]

How much is the game? Apparently i already have it in my library because someone in my family has it lol

[orchid acorn]

currently on sale for like 5 bucks or something

due to the anniversary 2~ days ago

[sharp cosmos]

The first is 6.24 usd, or euros, and second is 29

[patent wave]

Does anyone know if i still get steam achievements if im playing someone else's copy?

[orchid acorn]

i believe so.

[sharp cosmos]

Through Steam Family ?

[patent wave]

Yes

[sharp cosmos]

Absolute yes, that's 80% of my achievements

[drowsy trellis]

I wanna know do I get the achievements that I've already done i the early access, when the game fully comes out and do I also get to play the major story events on my current save?

[sharp cosmos]

(On my account, leeching of off the best friend's)

[nimble inlet]

About that, can they not write that? Like are there certain reasons they can pick why there’s a discount for? Cuz it is written it’s for the weekend

[frank mulch]

Yes, since steam families are completely separate now - you will only get the achievements from your save and not the person you are sharing with

[nimble inlet]

Like weekend discount

[candid geode]

Was it a dream or was there a time when the hades 2 achievements were accidentally put on steam

[frank mulch]

It’s ok hades 2 isn’t real go back to sleep

[orchid acorn]

You don't get to replay anything, new save file only

One time events per save file are retroactive

If its repeatable, you have to do it again afaik

[candid geode]

this server is a nightmare

[orchid acorn]

They were, but official mod statement i was told that i can't share the anymore since they were removed.

[frank mulch]

it’s ok wake up hades 2 isn’t real

[candid geode]

THEY WERE REAL?!?!

[sharp cosmos]

Due to the reality being altered and silksong existing, you can't lull us into the hades denial

[orchid acorn]

they were uploaded and removed like within 2 hours, but yes

[drowsy trellis]

no I mean the new stuff that they're going to add

[candid geode]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-gif-12955705329524728485

WHAT

[orchid acorn]

Yes you can do the new stuff on your current save files, but you'll have to regrind the boss resources as they are being removed at 1.0 for existing save files

[sharp cosmos]

I find it weird since it was public info for a time, but won't argue mod policy, it's pointless

[nimble inlet]

Yesterday I bought Hades 1 cuz of the discount, you see a year and a half ago I first saw Hades on Netflix for free and finished the game on mobile but then last year something horrible happened, I couldn’t access it anymore (prolly took it off of Netflix) so then I bought Hades II on pc cuz o wanted to check that out and now that it was on discount I bought 1 again

[frank mulch]

I can’t wait to play the video game

[orchid acorn]

same, its not a product of datamining but w,e

[candid geode]

I can't wait to wake up hypnos by slapping him repeatedly

[sharp cosmos]

Also, do we know if boss drops will be convertible to prestige ?

[frank mulch]

I think so

[candid geode]

WAKEY WAKEY

[orchid acorn]

whoops, sorry, i knew something got lost in the juggle. i think the official judgment came down on the side of not discussing them for the time being 🫡
generally the rulings tend to fall along the lines of "if it's in the game and accessible to players, it's okay; otherwise please do not", and since the list got removed it no longer falls under that first part

[orchid acorn]

not officially announced and not currently in the game so who knows

all we know is that at launch all previously existing final boss resources are automatically converted to prestige

[nimble inlet]

I’d think it’s ashes or psyche no?

[sharp cosmos]

Odd statement but eh

[frank mulch]

Oh it wasn’t announced? I swear it said prestige

[orchid acorn]

it says prestige

[sharp cosmos]

Huh ? Why would boss drops would convert to those ?

[orchid acorn]

but thats a one time thing

an anti spoiler and "see the story we made you idiots" measure

[sharp cosmos]

ah yeah, I was talking about it as a feature

like converting all that wool into prestige now that I cannot make rugs anymore

[orchid acorn]

well we know from the trailer theres rugs under some of the familiars

so maybe wool is used there for some more cosmetics

[frank mulch]

Okay yea so it’s “final boss resources will be converted to prestige” not “final boss resources will be converted to something that is a mystery”

That’s what I wanted to know lol if I remembered right or not

[orchid acorn]

mmhm

[nimble inlet]

Idk it’s like darkness in 1

[frank mulch]

okay yay

[nimble inlet]

And prestige is more like gems

[candid geode]

I'm worried about all the angsty fanart to release

I'm not mentally ready

[nimble inlet]

What does the word angery mean?

[candid geode]

Angsty?

[nimble inlet]

Second language

[candid geode]

Like- sad
Super sad

Sad fanart involving Mel and everything

[nimble inlet]

What sad fanart will there be

[candid geode]

** I worry more about hecate and mel**

[orchid acorn]

isn't darkness more like psyche/bones/ash

[frank mulch]

She stubs her toe and it’s sad because I don’t want to see her sad

[candid geode]

** thats a can of worms I don't want to open**