#h2-discussion

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agile heart
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shelf

long totem
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tbf mine was at 12 or 11 lol toxic relationships can be friendships too, no?

devout abyss
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dude i love solitary confinement

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christ alive. have you tried be a loner

crude dragon
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Special cells?

raven perch
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I think this guy (tesla) was a bit not right but I respect it

devout abyss
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i did and it has fundamentally altered the way i interact with all people, often to my detriment

tropic axle
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Killing Chronos over and over and over and over again is starting to feel like I'm just torturing the poor guy. Almost makes me feel bad to crush his face in

raven perch
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It’s fine it’s enrichment

devout abyss
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like a dog

raven perch
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Like an elderly person at a retirement home

crude dragon
raven perch
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Those oldass gunks looove video games

cursive kayak
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killing him is like bingo night

long totem
tropic axle
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Kill them so many times that theyll cry

devout abyss
agile heart
crude dragon
slim fjord
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I like some of the UI & Visual Updates recently

raven perch
devout abyss
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"Can MY GRANDMA beat PANTHEON 5 before she DIES???"

frank mulch
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if ppl love dead doves so much why dont they pioneer revolutionary inventions like tesla huh

slim fjord
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I just returned after months

devout abyss
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and its like a 4 hour long video where she doesnt say much

raven perch
cursive kayak
frank mulch
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and i wont <3

devout abyss
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arrested developmen reference

tropic axle
frank mulch
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i want to go back

cursive kayak
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“dead dove: do not eat”

“i don’t know what i expected”

slim fjord
frank mulch
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i want to go back to when it was an arrested development joke

tropic axle
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The rockets of death melt their health bars like a bar of chocolate under heat

meager garden
devout abyss
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what is it if not an arrested development joke

frank mulch
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dont worry about it. im sorry

slim fjord
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Btw ive also been trying another beta game, and i do hope it does well (or better) as valorant

raven perch
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There’s literally nothing wrong with it

devout abyss
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oh an ao3 tag?

cursive kayak
slim fjord
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Cuz i used to play alot of fughting games back in highschool

raven perch
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It’s literally just saying “read the tags and pay attention”

devout abyss
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some people live by references. have they tried having an original thought

crude dragon
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Oh, so not a Binding of Isaac item

meager garden
cursive kayak
raven perch
tropic axle
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I just started using a PS5 controller playing this game on my pc it's surprisingly enjoyable

frank mulch
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im paying no attention </3

slim fjord
tropic axle
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I love that this game has controller compatibility

devout abyss
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it's crazy to think about kids just saying references all the time because they literally cannot generate new thoughts yet. like wtf was i an idiot too. wow. i'm glad i can distinguish between my actions as a child and my actions now

slim fjord
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Like as if someone hacked my controls

raven perch
slim fjord
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Im planning to buy either ps5 Dualsense Controller+TMR Joysticks Mod

devout abyss
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im talking too much i gotta dumb it down

slim fjord
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Or maybe an 8BitDo Arcade stick

tropic axle
slim fjord
frank mulch
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i got a gamesir 7he or something its great

meager garden
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I'm still mostly waiting for tokon to come out, that's gonna be my main game I think

slim fjord
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Knowing how buttonmashing hades can be in a fun way

devout abyss
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mynt plays with mouse + left joycon

crude dragon
frank mulch
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but i havent had a controller in ages so i got very scared when it rumbled

crude dragon
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And how dire the roster is

frank mulch
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did ps3 even have that

slim fjord
devout abyss
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2xko is such a lame name it should be called arcane fighters

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league of fighters

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teamfight tactics

meager garden
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project L

slim fjord
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2xko is a pretty unique and odd naming for me

devout abyss
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guilty gear league

meager garden
crude dragon
raven perch
slim fjord
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Turns out its Project L||ion||

devout abyss
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LOL???

meager garden
devout abyss
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granblue league rising

meager garden
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is in the game

crude dragon
frank mulch
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god my ao3 filter list is abysmal can we resucitate the doves please

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anyway. love this character. the jink

raven perch
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You use filters?

slim fjord
devout abyss
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i press the random button

raven perch
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Specifically lol jinx

slim fjord
meager garden
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well I like one of them and I hate the other

crude dragon
raven perch
devout abyss
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you hate eris?

devout abyss
slim fjord
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I cant bear playing Hades 2 and 2xko on a Laptop Keyboard

raven perch
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More like bads

frank mulch
slim fjord
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And using my pro controller has inverted (xbox) input

frank mulch
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i dont usually care to do it but i got a browser extention to do it automatically

devout abyss
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what? i use pro controller and it's fine

raven perch
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Fair fair

slim fjord
meager garden
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I use a haute 42, works fine

slim fjord
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Ill try it again later cuz they recently had an update

devout abyss
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that sounds like a tank

raven perch
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I’m literally in a tank and you’re not

frank mulch
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ew i just looked at it again and gagged. i dont like this website. im leaving. buttcheeks

slim fjord
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But i wanna buy an arcade stick for 2xko
-# and maybe even for Hades 2 and other games

meager garden
devout abyss
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i dont know what a tank sounds like

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im from underground

raven perch
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Rye did you like my reference

frank mulch
raven perch
devout abyss
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also i didnt know a keyboard could be mechanical

raven perch
frank mulch
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from the downside from my pyres

devout abyss
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mine uses electronics

meager garden
frank mulch
devout abyss
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ummm underground from earth

raven perch
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Ewww

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This guy’s from Earth let’s kill em

devout abyss
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u've heard of mole people right

frank mulch
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hey. even a worm will turn

raven perch
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Worm

frank mulch
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a wyrm even

devout abyss
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i love having a mouse with 100000000000000 buttons

frank mulch
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your greed SICKENS me

crude dragon
frank mulch
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im just joking im sorry i just got jealous bc i only have 4 mouse buttons

devout abyss
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i would totally fight you with a stick

crude dragon
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What stick? You will be judged

devout abyss
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stick dn

crude dragon
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A tiny stick, then

devout abyss
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D:

crude dragon
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Practically a twig

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Y'know, I hope that we get a Hades 2 Bouldy emote once 1.0 drops

frank mulch
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that fandom adjacent conversation was so harrowing. i got a notification and got scared

devout abyss
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baldy

frank mulch
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it must happen

elfin forge
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Chaos is kinda chill about his daughter being a prisoner

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chaos*

raven perch
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Chaos isn’t chill

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This is like the least chill they’ve ever been

frank mulch
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i havent played in a while i think theyre pretty mad tho

crude dragon
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Oh, they're experiencing displeasure for the first time

elfin forge
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well, i expeted more though

crude dragon
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Possibly even anger

raven perch
frank mulch
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hades 2 📚
hades 2 if chaos got SO so mad 📘

crude dragon
raven perch
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“I hate my granddaughters sooo much I’m gonna let this chud steal them. Oh wait he also stole my daughter, their mother. Damn how could I not have seen this coming “

devout abyss
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they should make a hades 2 prequel where you can play as her brother

raven perch
crude dragon
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But they have expressed displeasure over Chronos tricking them with the Fates, and turning Nyx into a Funko Pop

devout abyss
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and they should called it: hades

frank mulch
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this is zag's fault bro if only he had not rekindled their bond shadeeyeroll

elfin forge
raven perch
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This is the most action they can take without destroying the world

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And they’ve considered destroying the world

frank mulch
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but i got the impression that theyre really upset about being tricked and taken advantage of. question mark idk the game is almost out then i will play and see it again

raven perch
frank mulch
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its been so long 🚬

elfin forge
frank mulch
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as i am wont to be

crude dragon
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Yeah, Chaos can't really deal with the likes of Chronos and Typhon without at least turning Greece into a crater in the process

raven perch
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They’re very upset! Them being upset is just comparatively unexpressive

elfin forge
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he can pull them through the manhole he creates or something

raven perch
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Chaos uses they/them

frank mulch
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my flat affect besties rise up

devout abyss
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stanley?

crude dragon
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Precision is relative to Chaos

And when you've formed the whole universe, trying to snipe half of a single mountain or a single pit on a planet is quite the challenge

raven perch
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It’s like trying to cut off a single leg of an ant without damaging anything else

elfin forge
crude dragon
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I want to say the reason they're experimenting with the Pitch-Black Stone is to try and find out how to manifest safely, though

raven perch
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That’s not really textual iirc

crude dragon
cursive kayak
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chronos has some balls to trick chaos of all beings lmao

devout abyss
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whats the opposite of peak

raven perch
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I don’t think he has balls anymore

devout abyss
raven perch
devout abyss
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guys let's design an incredible GUI and not tell the keepsake rack

raven perch
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It’s not that bad

devout abyss
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every time i glimpse the cusp of happiness it comes crashing down when i remember this piece of filth.

cursive kayak
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it’s really not that bad

crude dragon
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I have seen far worse UIs

devout abyss
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ultra instinct

crude dragon
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Those, too

frank mulch
atomic river
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so whats the best way to get presitge rn?

devout abyss
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beak (CAW)

devout abyss
frank mulch
devout abyss
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why is he holding a fish

atomic river
devout abyss
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the resources in the game

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"best" is kind of a vague qualification

atomic river
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nvm

raven perch
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Sacabambapsis

thorn spear
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did they nerf strength it don't be hitting the same sinc ei last used it?

raven perch
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They did yeah

devout abyss
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yeah quite significantly

thorn spear
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how much we talking

devout abyss
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you take more damage and deal less

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uhhhhhhh i think -10% reduction and -5% damage?

thorn spear
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damn so it back to using 3 death defiance right after i've gotten used to strength

crude dragon
devout abyss
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strength is still good

raven perch
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At low fear strength is still much more preferable imo

thorn spear
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it just doesn't have the same advantage over taking deeath def

devout abyss
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you deal more damage and can guarantee*** athena

crude dragon
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I'd still be running it if I weren't trying to get a specific gift from Narcissus for the prophecy

thorn spear
raven perch
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I play at 25 ye

devout abyss
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i play at 26.

raven perch
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Lol

thorn spear
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but i don't know man rivals without 50% dr sounds horrendous

raven perch
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I could probably go higher without it being too difficult I just don’t wannnaaaa

thorn spear
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so real so real

raven perch
crude dragon
thorn spear
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i should increase it so i can become night's champion but i don't want to upset the balance of bs i'm facing

devout abyss
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you need to have a Good spirit to get live savings

raven perch
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Skong?

devout abyss
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what

raven perch
devout abyss
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skonky skong

crude dragon
raven perch
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Yay

devout abyss
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your first game ever was silksong?

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wow

raven perch
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No they probably mean they’re busy with Hollow Knight

crude dragon
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I still need to beat NKG and get the different endings

raven perch
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Nkg my favorite fight

devout abyss
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man i wish i had bones inside of me

raven perch
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You will!

devout abyss
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

crude dragon
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And Failed Champion I guess

devout abyss
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it's crazy that lost kin does 1 damage

crude dragon
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And also beat Grey Prince enough times that Zote stops yapping

raven perch
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Good luck with that

thorn spear
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reason why i asked about if strength got a nerf was cause i saw this a tierlist put it below death def

devout abyss
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true for high fear and for personal preference

thorn spear
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i feel like every player should go through a strength phase makes you better

raven perch
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I agree

devout abyss
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guy laree

raven perch
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I think everyone should try it at least 5 times

thorn spear
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nah clear surface and underwolrd atleast once with it

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although first time i got strength i just ran both death and strength together

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another pain is how they massacred pan

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did they nerf hestia recently?

merry whale
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nah she got buffed

crude dragon
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No, they buffed her considerably

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Scorch now counts as Olympian damage (so Extended Family and Rallying Cry buff it), and the amount per tick got boosted

raven perch
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Wait it didn’t use to

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You’re kidding that’s awful

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Thank goodness for the change!

crude dragon
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Yeah, prior to Unseen, it only got buffed by global boosts

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And IIRC, it also didn't work with Origination or something stupid like that?

slim pike
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Also smolder ring is hilarious now

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Scorch applied is muliplied by olympian, global and cast bonuses

sleek oar
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Scorch wins, hestia always on top

raven perch
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As is befitting of the oldest sister

sleek oar
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Real

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One week 🙏

sharp cosmos
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Hi, I'm confused, I've just started a run, and some ennemies now drop something ressembling an angry shade icon ? What's that do ?

devout abyss
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its a vow

sharp cosmos
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oh wow i'm stupid, thanks for the answer

hollow lily
formal hornet
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Hey can someone help me for unlocking the secret aspects - I understand that I need to have maxxed out 1 aspect to unlock the secret aspect dialogue but can the maxxed out be melinoe's aspect or needs to be a different one?

limpid oar
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in h1 you had to get one of the non-Zag aspects but that changed in h2

formal hornet
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thanks!

sleek oar
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Shout out aspect of pan, i kept wondering why the hell i wasnt unlocking morrigan

marsh spear
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I really hope they buff the Legendaries on release

merry whale
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they should make it so hestia legendary actually works on typhon

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and not having it on an awkward cooldown that only sometimes works on some projectiles

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like gust is infinitely more accessible and infinitely better

marsh spear
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THEY ALL feel a bit awkward and weak

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Except probably Apollo, never got to play around with that one a lot

limpid oar
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make it so that when you get a legendary the god just comes over and fights by your side for the rest of the run

sharp cosmos
marsh spear
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Agreed

slim pike
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if your interest is getting origination and you're using rapture ring, for example, then arctic gale just does that

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if you're using island getaway and glamour gain, oops, bugs

marsh spear
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🗡 Should make you minicrit all the time or something
🔨 Rank VI should functionally be like Rank 7 or 8
⚡ Should also Knuckle Bone bosses
❄️ Should be guaranteed
🔥 Needs to also make the cast scorch melt enemies or something. It's really underwhelming.
🌊 Sigh. Honestly idk
🦚 I like it but it doesn't feel powerful

marsh spear
slim pike
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rank 6 is functionally like rank 8

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mostly

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it's just that often that's just not very good because the scalar bonus on a lot of aspects isn't the reason you're taking it (Occasionally it very much is)

marsh spear
slim pike
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Thanatos going from -30% gap between strikes to -45% is pretty dang cool. Equivalent to getting a standalone ~-22% bonus

marsh spear
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On Persephone however...

slim pike
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Selene's rank 6 gives her a cheaper hex. Yay.

slim pike
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it reduces the chance of getting no bonuses by half

marsh spear
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Legendies are seldom early tho

marsh spear
slim pike
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Endshop heph offering it on persephone is a joke, yes

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rapid slash, rank 6 than, Nimble limbs... You start attacking like you're using the blades, but HUGE

slim pike
marsh spear
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I don't like your logical answer

merry whale
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at the same time the aspect should be aspecting

orchid acorn
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like if it was split between the first 3 levels yeah it would kinda be nuts, but like 70% for level 2 and then 30% split between 3/4/5/6 would be fine.

slim pike
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Honestly that just runs away with it from sheer power

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rarity be damned

orchid acorn
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how?

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a single guaranteed pom is not that strong, especially post pom nukes

slim pike
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first level is basically a free rarity, but on everything?

orchid acorn
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yes and that is already how the weapon works when it works?

slim pike
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Yeesh, idk. I guess it's competing with Medea, but Mel skull kinda dies here, again

orchid acorn
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like this isn't some theoretical concept, its already how the game works to give it "up to 6 rarifies" in your words

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hell if it HAD to be a 0% chance, it sure shouldn't be 50%

slim pike
orchid acorn
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first level is basically a free rarity, but on everything?

You're equating 1 pom to a rarify

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current persephone can give up to 6 rarifies

slim pike
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First pom

merry whale
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given how medea is already mega op i don't see why we can't have +1 pom guaranteed

orchid acorn
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i work under the assumption that medea is getting nuked to unplayable at 1.0

merry whale
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tru

slim pike
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because that's how most pom scaling works

orchid acorn
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with how sgg handled some aspects in unseen im scared

slim pike
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except for when it's super weak for some reason, or counts as two rarities because pyro technique

orchid acorn
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anyway if it HAD to have a 0%, flip the level 0 and level 1

merry whale
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ig my hope is that they don't do some sneaky shenanigan to my umbral flames

orchid acorn
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20%/50%/whatever the rest of the %s are

merry whale
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i remember in the stream they said they're not touching h2 anymore, so it's prob just bug fixes now

orchid acorn
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yeah and thats 3 months of possible balance changes internally

slim pike
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eh, maybe a guarenteed +1-3 levels would be okay (but uhhh, how do you make the rank scaling work)

orchid acorn
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like the heph nerf thats shown off in the trailer for some reason aaaa

merry whale
slim pike
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would make the skull less about being "Aspect of Volcanic strike"

merry whale
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i think they had p10 footage that just sneaked into the vid

orchid acorn
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if it was patch 10 footage then it would need to be nintendo switch 2 running patch 10

quaint pumice
merry whale
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like didn't they have switch 2 tools in like june

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when they had their talk about "oh this game we have switch 2 dev tools"

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in the switch 2 direct

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ig that was in april

orchid acorn
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Current Persephone numbers
    50%  / 16% /14% /12%/ 6% / 2%
    Lvl 0/    2   /  3   /   4 /   5   / 6

Like these odds can easily be flipped at 0 /2 or just more evenly adjusted

31/25/19/14/12/6/2
Would be fine, even still favors a level 0 while not being a literal coinflip to have an aspect or not

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still a 1/3 but at least its more paletable and in my mind a lowroll

slim pike
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it is kinda funny how my boon selection gets really screwy with persephone skull

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"Here is the core boon you absolutely need to make your build work, but oooo loooook, here's a support boon at level 5 that miiiiiiiight be useful lateeer"

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picks second option

merry whale
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lv 6 epic blast rush

slim pike
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it's sad that they nerfed grand caldera to actually have pom scaling now, because persephone would have just made that so dumb good

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(used to be +50 per pom, fixed)

orchid acorn
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im half convinced persephone was their way of buffing heph without buffing heph

merry whale
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makes sense, they prob want more reliance on daze or hestia duo

orchid acorn
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which backfired when the feedback channel borderline rioted

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about no heph changes and other things

slim pike
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that was the same patch where rude awakening gained 80 more power iirc

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it went from +220 to +300 at some point

merry whale
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man p10 was a weird patch LOL p11 is a blessing

orchid acorn
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patch 9 was peak, 1/6 equal chances due to a persephone bug
60 power mel staff
hestia buffs

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it was actually such a good patch

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then.... patch 10

slim pike
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Man, Stellar Slam seems so terrible now

orchid acorn
limpid oar
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60 power mel staff does sound excessive and i can see why it did not last very long

orchid acorn
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well patch 9 came with the posiedon ICD and pan nerfs i guess

slim pike
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yeah, it was silly

merry whale
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+40 spec power is thankfully still super solid LOL

orchid acorn
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so it wasn't all good looking back

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but the majority of it was good

merry whale
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p9 also had awful mel flames from what i heard

slim pike
orchid acorn
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i personally thought 60 power was gonna get nerfed too but it was a shock to see 40 in the aptch notes

limpid oar
orchid acorn
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i think my exact words were "yeah this isn't gonna stay as is"

orchid acorn
slim pike
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it's still a bit odd to see Default aspect of Default weapon have +special power as its bonus

merry whale
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i could see 50 but i doubt they're gonna buff it when momus is dying right there

solemn fractal
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tbf mel is pretty special

orchid acorn
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PERSONALLY i dislike crit as a aspect bonus on mel torch too

solemn fractal
orchid acorn
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cause it doesn't really.... do anything for the aspect

slim pike
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Ospecial speed made sense thematically as a straightforward stat boost to the game's main new mechanic. But Momus...

orchid acorn
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if it was UNIVERSAL crit it would be peak

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revert to 5%, make it global crit.

gg mel torch goated

limpid oar
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I think Mel aspects being basic is fine

merry whale
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like mel torch crits actually do work in low fear contexts, it just doesn't hold up as much high fear

solemn fractal
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nah momus rework with the triple omega is actually really cool

orchid acorn
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momus is ass homie

slim pike
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+10% torch crits, or detonate your attacks for +60% blast damage

orchid acorn
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this momus has been here since like june of last year and it got nerfed in the latest patch

merry whale
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momus always had echo omega during warsong, it just got nerfed badly in unseen

solemn fractal
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like momus staff?

limpid oar
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my biggest gripe with mel torch is that basic attack doesnt pierce

orchid acorn
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yes? the only momus in the game

solemn fractal
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did it get changed?

slim pike
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proto-momus was so dumb

orchid acorn
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yes 1.5 second dupe > 2 second

buoyant matrix
orchid acorn
merry whale
solemn fractal
slim pike
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heal to 50% during any downtime wtf

buoyant matrix
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i watched a video guide on gimp

orchid acorn
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call me when you make a mew icarus so i can piss off lilac

limpid oar
solemn fractal
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maybe 2 seconds does suck but still i love the flavor of it, and it's still insanely strong on some bosses like typhon

buoyant matrix
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I'm confident i can lasso prom's hair and draw the eyes, the only thing I'm worried about is his bandage

solemn fractal
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what's a mew?

orchid acorn
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see my profile image

solemn fractal
merry whale
quaint pumice
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alternatively a mythical pocket monster

buoyant matrix
orchid acorn
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no

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just the end result of lilac getting ragey at her bae dismorphed

solemn fractal
slim pike
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it kinda funny how mel and momus sorta switched places

buoyant matrix
solemn fractal
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i believe in u!!!

buoyant matrix
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I don't bouldy

limpid oar
orchid acorn
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staff special was as useless(excluding momus) at EA start as the current axe special is now

slim pike
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Now just gimme Wicked Moonshot as a hammer upgrade and I'll be happy

merry whale
slim pike
orchid acorn
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if not even worse off cause at least mel staff had momus and posiedon to carry them

orchid acorn
slim pike
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I think the bounces or projectile speed got messed with at some point in the middle

quaint pumice
#

actually a mel version of this already exists somewhere

buoyant matrix
merry whale
buoyant matrix
#

but i have to somehow remove the headphones

#

unless Icarus's hair sprite is so big i can just put it over it

limpid oar
orchid acorn
#

always frinos

merry whale
#

raki for the crit

#

antler all 4 regions

limpid oar
merry whale
#

i think east is running either kitty or hecuba

limpid oar
#

im expecting to time out in erebus so i may need the 4 dds

merry whale
#

just get poseidon splash on attack ez

#

it's actually somehow solid

#

worse than blitz or scorch obv but yknow

hallow vault
#

So yeah im Advertising Hades on everx Server im active on lmao

#

6€ for that Game is a no brainer Lmao

wooden spire
#

1.0 in a week it might be time to wipe my savefile

orchid acorn
#

why wipe just keep it there locked in history

limpid oar
#

bruh i died to scylla final phase because the attack was just not able to hit her bouldy

orchid acorn
#

theres 4 slots after all

orchid acorn
#

or was she just rotating your ass

limpid oar
#

if i got inverted spark I would've won

orchid acorn
#

or like any cast that does damage

slim pike
orchid acorn
#

o lord

slim pike
#

Prominence Flare, Smolder Ring and (possibly) winner's circle

orchid acorn
#

i got like 20m to kill before i drive to worki guess

slim pike
#

Smolder ring ticks during prominence flare, whut

orchid acorn
#

i wouldn't even know where to start with that. Like it has to be in prom flares code

slim pike
#

ikr

orchid acorn
#

prom flare scales with solar ring right?

#

so it has to be duplicating SOMETHING from the cast in reference

slim pike
#

I think this was the run I managed to score a heroic winner's circle and GD too, but those might be red herrings

slim pike
orchid acorn
#

sorry yeah supernova

#

since its keeping pace with that, it must be referencing code somewhere which gets mixed up with smolder

#

or rather carried over

slim pike
#

but as far as I can tell, smolder ring ticks off of the slowdown effect of the binding circle (With a 1 second cooldown effect applied to each victim)

#

which... isn't in effect during prom flare

orchid acorn
#

cause im not replicating ingame with just smolder + prom flare

slim pike
#

but... that's not necessarily proof that GD wasn't doing something

wide osprey
#

guys quick question

#

so I have the Apollo legendary
now if I swap to Aphro attack
do I lose the legendary?

slim pike
#

Pre-reqs are just to have it offered

wide osprey
slim pike
#

once you have a boon, the only pre-reqs that matter are the natural ones

wide osprey
#

Im using the coat btw

slim pike
orchid acorn
wide osprey
#

shatitude it is

slim pike
#

I might have imagined not overcharging it, but also WTF

orchid acorn
#

it looks like every lightning bolt is proccing a scorch addition?

#

its ticking up REALLY fast which vaguely lines up

slim pike
#

2 seconds of it should proc two more ticks

orchid acorn
#

yeah its going like

#

more than 2

slim pike
#

but also... GD doesn't work that way(!?)

#

I thought it just goes "oh look, prominence flare hit this target and it was overcasted, lightning bolt for that guy"

wide osprey
#

martial art

slim pike
#

No, it just says "attack and special"

#

not "Attacks and Specials"

orchid acorn
wide osprey
slim pike
wide osprey
#

also
PLEASE SUPERGIANT ADD A TESTING MODE OR SOMETHING

orchid acorn
slim pike
#

....So I dunno, dumb idea, is this just a smolderring thing or are we getting like, rapture ring ticks

slim pike
#

iirc prominence flare is 15 hits so it lasts just less than two seconds

#

so you only get one more tick unless winner's circle adjusts it

orchid acorn
#

Maybe the overcharge makes the cast naturally last longer?

#

since otherwise it would end sooner

slim pike
#

let me look a little closer...

#

do you still see grasping hands during GD?

orchid acorn
#

im almost positve it does actually.

Cause the VFX sound only starts after i stop holding Q

#

even if i hold it to like 99% GD

#

less a boon thing, more the cast duration doesn't start until you stop channeling i think

#

or doesn't start ticking anyway

slim pike
#

so the cast last longer, but the fuse to tick the actual oCast damage is still measured from the start?

#

I also had WC here and still saw a tick, so I dunno if that messes with it more or less

orchid acorn
#

wc if anything would make it harder to measrue since your complete the channel faster so less time to scam if this is the case

slim pike
#

but I had a heroic WC and still saw it to even start this conversation

orchid acorn
#

its not registering scorch on the dps tracker anymroe reee

slim pike
#

wtf...

#

Was I only seeing it before Steady Growth hit WC?

#

...but huh

slim pike
orchid acorn
#

yeah i think dps meter is buggy or something idk

#

ok testing it a bit i don't think holding omega affects it

#

cause i consistently get 4 ticks no matter what

#

(of damage on the enemy for scorch)

slim pike
#

you can't hold casts anyway

#

unless you're comparing normal casting with like, Lance casting

#

...Which I eventually got on that build but now can't remember if that changed anything

#

so many damned variables here

orchid acorn
#

ok unless im going insane im only seeing 4 ticks for
Regular ring
Reg ring + prom falre
but 5 for specifically GD activation

slim pike
#

and is WC adding an extra tick anywhere more than without?

orchid acorn
#

any rarity?

slim pike
#

I got an Epic one that got steady growth'd to heroic eventually

buoyant matrix
#

common steady growth W

slim pike
#

not really? Have you seen how little rarity actually matters on WC?

orchid acorn
#

does winners circle extend glorious disaster or something

#

cause why the hell am i killing skelly with a single omega cast now

#

i can't even measure how many ticks cause he just gets nuked

slim pike
#

!?

#

!??!?!!?

#

is it accelerating how quickly prom flare is ticking?

orchid acorn
slim pike
#

because if so.... a heroic WC would basically triple the damage output

buoyant matrix
#

rare glorious disaster W?

slim pike
#

why is prom flare doing 26 damage per tick?

#

do you have the furies active?

orchid acorn
#

ok i think i was just accidentally overkilling with scorch just barely

#

false alarm

slim pike
#

oh okay

orchid acorn
#

no GD ws on my watch

slim pike
#

didn't look wrong

orchid acorn
#

with how much slander i was slinging at that thing i was about to write an apology form

slim pike
#

but also also also wtf

#

do you have the furies active?

orchid acorn
#

yes full arcana

slim pike
#

why is that affecting prominence flare

#

the cast has finished

orchid acorn
#

didn't we establish that it was carrying over cast data already

#

and count as a cast

slim pike
#

without GD

#

so yeah, it's like Glorious Diasaster, and only then, makes prom flare act like the cast?

#

I'm interested to know if other core casts still tick now

orchid acorn
#

only other ticking ones is aphro and demeter right?

slim pike
#

Solar ticks daze I guess

#

Storm ticks strikes

#

But good luck spottung that

orchid acorn
#

i cba to do storm ring yeah lightning on lightning

slim pike
#

Unless your dps tracker can see it

orchid acorn
#

im pretty sure its counting the lightning strikes AS the cast damage which is where my issue came from earlier

dire sand
#

Stuff like '70 game of the year awards' is always funny to me

#

Can't believe hades 1 was released in 70 different years

orchid acorn
#

ok now i gotta go to work bye enjoy the clips lmk

slim pike
#

I can't tell at all

#

Not seeing extra ticks

dire sand
#

I wanna know how many total gotys are awarded each year

buoyant matrix
#

at least 2

brittle garden
#

patch notes when

scenic jungle
#

Launch day

#

They dont post early tmk

#

Just a week away now

loud stirrup
#

can you believe it guys

#

hades 2, just a week away

dire sand
#

Ye I can

#

Pretty believable actually

verbal rampart
#

I'm growing impatient actually

sharp plank
#

lol you got it lucky. Gotta embark on a two week business trip on the 25th 🫠

#

My heart is bleeding

loud stirrup
#

have they said any specific time when its coming out

#

like on the clock

dire sand
#

Ye the 25th

torpid grove
#

probably the same time all their usual updates drop in the past

slim pike
#

it will go live at 9am in your timezone so you'll want to skip work all day

#

Looks like a bot

sharp plank
#

Most definitely, and also a scam

neat frigate
#

This might be the worst scam message I’ve ever seen

#

No specifics on the rewards, no indication of what “ahead” means, no urgency

slim pike
dire sand
#

Scams arent made to be of quality

slim pike
#

can't post any here

dire sand
#

They are made to get responses by only those who are most likely to fall for it

#

This is how scamming has always worked lol

humble urchin
#

guys dm me for free baths with nem!!not scam!!

orchid acorn
quaint pumice
#

Mr breast give me money

civic sedge
#

Can you believe it, guys? Hades II, just a week away!

tranquil chasm
civic sedge
#

Do you live under a rock?
Jk, September 25th

plain shale
#

I DID IT

#

I BEAT SCYLLA

slim pike
#

...But did you enjoy the show?

dusky mountain
fathom lake
#

1 WEEEEKKKK Hades2Fire 🎸 🗣️

dusky mountain
#

Do we know a launch time?

plain shale
acoustic ruin
plain shale
slim pike
#

Aw, maybe you'll like their next song

plain shale
dusky mountain
#

Just wait till your caught between a rock and a hard place

fathom lake
dire frigate
#

I'm calling it right now, end credits will be performed by Scylla and the sirens

lament surge
#

Which hour it will be released the full?

orchid acorn
#

There is no official announcement, or likely will be, for that information

#

Likely will launch around the same time for all previous updates though, so 12-1pm EST

marsh spear
#

I am salivating with a dry mouth

bronze oak
hallow vault
#

I ask myself if Darren Korb ever will get a Award

fathom lake
#

love the Prometheus Defeat art they added

spiral isle
#

I know it's too late to do feedback now, but I do wish that grandpa phase 3 when you beat him cuts the music at the drumroll leading into the ending sequence. feels like a miss that's just the ending sequence itself

maybe this is a small thing to nitpick, but would make just that much more impact for the finish

elfin forge
#

whats the biggest raw damage hit of any weapon?

dusky mountain
dusky mountain
honest plank
fathom lake
honest plank
#

raw damage so I would assume no

elfin forge
#

no

honest plank
#

plus maxed shiva does like 1k

elfin forge
#

not combo, just hits

slim pike
#

Oattack

dusky mountain
#

max destr rank OATK

elfin forge
#

including omega

honest plank
#

eat the O special then O attack whenever I use it, it does like 1k

hallow vault
elfin forge
#

i guess thats it, so xinth

#

the normal special of shiva is as strong as maxed axe lol

dusky mountain
honest plank
#

but did you eat the special

elfin forge
#

special only increases like 75 dmg

hallow vault
elfin forge
#

what you're referring to is the crit

honest plank
#

no

#

i think ive had apollo on atk evry time i used shiva

#

silly

elfin forge
#

i was talking raw

honest plank
#

does charon and cast count

fathom lake
honest plank
#

i like apollo cuz the big punch is silly

late chasm
#

Does it take more encounters to max a keepsake in hades 2 vs 1?

honest plank
late chasm
#

how do i earn that?

fathom lake
#

Apollo attack its more for the axe for me

fathom lake
late chasm
#

all good

orchid acorn
#

more if you count raki critting that

honest plank
#

thats what I said

orchid acorn
#

now if you want to argue you need to o-special twice to get that 300% stack, sure but coat o-attack is still likely the highest

elfin forge
#

just the o attack

#

more than that its a combo

honest plank
#

well than the O atack w aspect melenoe for the crit chance

orchid acorn
#

its not a multi hit sequence you can o special twice wait 3 years and it still has the +300%, long as it was the same room

#

with boons people have hit for like 20k

#

it is, by definition, a single attack with one hit of damage

elfin forge
#

i dont care for definition, you needed to do something before oattacking that is combo for me

normal mountain
#

Why does mels cast not work on elites or minibosses etc?

orchid acorn
#

full charge o attack does more than anything else raw

honest plank
cursive kayak
orchid acorn
elfin forge
#

but did you say 20k, what kind of build is that

normal mountain
#

fine

honest plank
normal mountain
#

It works on polyphemus... well, sort of, he can't jump when he's been caught in mels cast.

elfin forge
#

level 5 aphro does like 200% , how can you reach 20k thats bonkers

normal mountain
orchid acorn
#

nope was natural

elfin forge
#

btw, it sucks not just casts but also freeze doesnt work on them

normal mountain
orchid acorn
honest plank
#

lets see,
base shive is what 1200
add in the hammer that does 100 base power then its
1500
aphro would bring that up to what
3k
then crit for 9k then some random ass bs moddifier gotta be like
a bajillion

#

I uhm... I gave up math is hard

orchid acorn
nocturne zenith
#

grevious blow or mutual destruction if they stack with crits? (idk if they stack with crits)

honest plank
#

oh and add the like 2x dmg for the powershot on shiva thats like 2 bagillion

normal mountain
honest plank
#

big number = win

normal mountain
#

yep

#

i just try not to die.

honest plank
#

i did a dd run w athena where I died every single room and that gave me like 200% dmg at the end w hades boon

orchid acorn
honest plank
orchid acorn
#

all % damage stacks together so it starts meaning not as much but yeah its big if you stalwart stand last gasp

honest plank
#

i mean a 500% buff is alot

mellow inlet
#

Welp, made it to chronos for the first time

honest plank
#

did you beat him up

mellow inlet
#

I somehow made it to second phase lol

orchid acorn
honest plank
#

enemie die so i win

orchid acorn
#

100>200>300 is a 100%>50% increase

#

cause it all works off that initial number, not your current damage

honest plank
#

uhm...

#

math

mellow inlet
#

I’m not even a part of this conversation, but this is too much math for me to handle

slim pike
#

It's just balatro maths, easy

honest plank
#

I hate math, I suck at it so instead I just ignore it

slim pike
#

would it help if every modifier was a joker that went ding?

honest plank
#

Like I may be in math class rn

#

w a paper infrount of me

orchid acorn
mellow inlet
#

Got it

orchid acorn
#

unless number is for different thing.

power is different than % damage

slim pike
#

well, it means that the extra damage from a +50% is the same extra damage no matter how many other +X% effects are in play

#

if an attack is 30 power, a +50% bonus will add 15 to it

#

it doesn't matter what other +X% effects are there, whatever they were doing, a +50% bonus will still add 15

sleek oar
#

Isnt it easier to just say multipliers are multiplying the base damage only

honest plank
#

Anyway how the hell do I use aspect of supay, its just so... bad

slim pike
#

Ares Double damage is X2 mult, Crit is X3 mult

orchid acorn
honest plank
#

I ran out of pot of greeds

sleek oar
#

Exodia obliterate

orchid acorn
polar abyss
sleek oar
#

Wasnt the convo about those that are 💔

slim pike
sleek oar
#

Explaining math is hell, thats why i said that

slim pike
#

Origination is all but free, spreading curses like blitz or hitch is a breeze

#

Dodging isn't a huge DPS loss so playing safe is easy

elfin forge
#

so i was saying earlier, chaos is doing barely anything about chronos kidnapping his favourite daughter?

honest plank
#

Eh too boring for me ima just keep losing to rivals hekate w morrigan

orchid acorn
honest plank
slim pike
elfin forge
orchid acorn
#

for you

elfin forge
polar abyss
honest plank
orchid acorn
#

not for chaos who genuinely is more amused by the fact someone had the balls to lie to him and contemplates that fact

sleek oar
#

Chaos doesnt care as long as their fave clothing store stays open ig

elfin forge
slim pike
honest plank
slim pike
#

Nexus rush is weirdly one of the heaviest hitting rush boons

honest plank
#

would that be good

sleek oar
slim pike
#

your rush damage bonus is invalidated by Air Quality, which anyone can use

polar abyss
elfin forge
slim pike
#

Sworn flourish spreads hitch better, Nexus rush hits harder

sleek oar
#

Ngl the one supay run i did was pure rushing

#

Zeus rush was fun

slim pike
fathom lake
#

30% its so lame i hope it goes just a bit higer in 1.0

slim pike
#

but hooooooo a good King's ransom can make running around have hilarious DPS

fathom lake
#

Like im just wondering whats lvl 1 Supay lmfao

slim pike
sleek oar
#

Yess i got storm ring and kings ransom on that too

#

It was pretty cool, but i just dont like flames much

fathom lake
slim pike
#

yeah, that was pretty crazy

fathom lake
#

Yeah

slim pike
#

overnerfed? Concievably

fathom lake
#

35-50% would be good

#

Smth in between that range would be nice

slim pike
#

50% would be a neat 10% per rank

#

and put it at 80% when perfected

orchid acorn
#

it WAS 50%

slim pike
#

wait it was 50?

orchid acorn
#

It was 75%. Then nerfed to 50%. Then nerfed to the current 30% this is when they decided it needed to go lower

slim pike
#

or didn't liiiie

orchid acorn
#

we're talkin about supay right

slim pike
#

yeh, Aspect of Tupay

#

Toupe*

orchid acorn
#

then yes. it launched at 75%, literally exodia

#

then 50%, with its gutted 1 ball

#

then lowered AGAIN to 30% after they rebuffed the basekit

slim pike
#

petition to add some damage to blinding rush to make supay and Frenzy do something

#

(not Vow of Frenzy)

fathom lake
sleek oar
#

One ball looked weird

fathom lake
#

I dont care

polar abyss
slim pike
#

Also I already had a pretty popular feedback that Exeptional Talent should actually work with Supay special

sleek oar
#

Yk what else shpuld work w supay… beach ball 💔

polar abyss
orchid acorn
#

It did.

sleek oar
#

I know 💔

fathom lake
slim pike
#

I mean, they know it doesn't work and thus doesn't even apply the 20 extra cost to be fair

orchid acorn
#

they they decided "nah we hate fun"

orchid acorn
cerulean lake
#

Cant wait to try supay once 1.0 hits

orchid acorn
#

its not a supay specific thing

fathom lake
orchid acorn
#

torch quite literally just has a unique override for apollo legendary

slim pike
fathom lake
orchid acorn
#

All torches, not just eos

fathom lake
#

WHy?

#

Thats so dumb

orchid acorn
#

Cause god(greg) hates you

slim pike
#

Exceptional Talent must be the biggest headache for the devs to code

#

of every boon, I think it's the most wide-reaching

fathom lake
#

Im not mad just dissapointed

sleek oar
#

Whats exceptional talent again

slim pike
fathom lake
#

It should double the orbs of the special it would be really nice

slim pike
#

your Oattack and Ospecial fire twice, and what that should mean for each aspect is debatable

slim pike
fathom lake
orchid acorn
#

the real funny thing is

#

eos works with hidden helix... mostly

slim pike
#

the total rework to torches was a good idea, just not finished off

#

being able to rapid-fire Omega attacks like it used to was a balancing nightmare

orchid acorn
#

if you just give yourself hidden helix with eos you get the extra special just fine just the daybreak doesn't doesn't copy it

#

so you end up with 5 total not 6

slim pike
#

other ET frauds are Shiva and Momus

#

don't take it with those aspects

orchid acorn
#

shiva is so funny

slim pike
#

unless you have an infinite mana setup and nothing else is worth taking

orchid acorn
#

like i genuinely can't tell if they just forgot to update the shiva o-special logic for the clone

or if its intended that it doesn't bounce

#

cause its kinda consistent

slim pike
orchid acorn
#

2 o specials at the same time only the more rcent one bounces

#

BUT with ET its specifically the ET one that doesn't bounce

slim pike
#

it procs helix twice and just overrides itself

#

oh and there's an actual script comment that says there's a hidden nerf for Coat salvos to only copy 2 missiles max

#

because firing 10 missiles for +20 cost is apparently OP

#

you will get 7 and like it

#

and still pay 20 more

orchid acorn
#

honestly i never once thought about using apollo legendary on coat rockets

fathom lake
#

I hate that

orchid acorn
#

so its not really a big loss outside of like

#

theoretical potential

fathom lake
orchid acorn
#

that being said its likely way simpler to do it this way

#

than to literally clone that many missiles which depends on how much mana you used

slim pike
orchid acorn
#

how does it interact with pan? if it clones all possible variations then yeah wtf

slim pike
orchid acorn
#

yes

slim pike
#

just fires a second salvo of the same number of knives after the first completes

orchid acorn
#

the same

hallow vault
#

Jen Zee is always cooking

orchid acorn
#

ok they just hate coat for some reason

#

not that it wasn't a known problem already

slim pike
#

unless it has already started

orchid acorn
#

yeah but thats consistent with the latest nerf

slim pike
#

it's like it spawns an invisible momus orb after the first volley

fathom lake
#

ET its either the coolest Boon in the game or the most annoying not in between

slim pike
#

since the origin point is the same even if Mel somehow moves

slim pike
#

Heph momus was AMAZING, now it's merely good

#

as in, before the nerf it was a 0.5 second gap between pulses, now I believe it's 1 second

#

rank 6 aspect, that is

fathom lake
#

thast fair tbh

#

.5 sec was hilarious

#

but way too op [i think]

slim pike
#

Rank 6 selene and shiva are probably the most laughable rank 6

#

you get two more potental destructive ranks... yay

orchid acorn
#

shiva was more laughable when it didnt bounce

fathom lake
#

Thats actually aweome ngl

slim pike
#

or a slightly cheaper hex

fathom lake
slim pike
fathom lake
#

Yeah

slim pike
#

I guess with counter supreme?

orchid acorn
#

and back when each o-special was one single stack

fathom lake
#

But its
8
Destructive
Ranks.

slim pike
#

I never did understand when destructive would execute enemies in its original form

orchid acorn
#

so a third ospecial. still better than 8.

#

if anything should hack amirs account to reopne feedback and say make it 9 stacks at level 6

orchid acorn
normal mountain
#

When did they remove prometheus's boxing glove move? he used to throw fire at you and it would follow you???

orchid acorn
#

thats still a move

fathom lake
#

In Rivals?

orchid acorn
#

i call it the dbz ki blast

slim pike
normal mountain
#

no, base prometheus.

fathom lake
#

I still hate kinect Grandpa and Prometheus

orchid acorn
slim pike
#

I understood how to build ranks and that it raised the minimum execution level

orchid acorn
#

you thought wrong

#

the execution was always a flat 8% iirc

slim pike
#

oh, maybe that was the issue

orchid acorn
#

1 stack or 6 stacks you executed

#

what increased was the base attack damage increase

slim pike
#

so what did stacks do?

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ohhh, maybe that was it

orchid acorn
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however, stacks decayed over like 10 seconds

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and you had to keep o-specialing to keep them up

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or they would expire

slim pike
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yeah, and elephant rockets was basically a requirement to get any

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or counter supreme to get any big number

orchid acorn
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yeah 3 business day delivery on o-special

slim pike
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that travel time would've been more tolerable if it was a tap-fire

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(Also Shiva hammer idea, you fire three ospecials in a small spread, but no bounces)

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aw...

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tbh even now the hero of shiva is that attack chain. 50, 50, 70x2 is a brutal base power

normal mountain
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u wot m8

fathom lake
slim pike
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everyone tries to play the aspect looking at what's on the move-card in game

fathom lake
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Supay its ridicolous damage rn
Its not even funny lmfao

slim pike
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and overlooks the actual basic change

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get siege and reaper frame and wooof

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rapid frame is good too

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Mooncrest riser can die

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I actively do not want my dash strike to happen

orchid acorn
slim pike
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why would this be bad if they overlapped?

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(Also would actually work with ET)

fathom lake
slim pike
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am I missing some tech?

orchid acorn
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you're either making better elephant rockets, which is already a constraining playstyle requiring you to point blank otherwise the spread will b e too big to get value out of the simultaneous explosion stacks

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or you're making something ass by saying they won't overlap in exchange for upfront damage

fathom lake
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I dont like elephant rockets at all

orchid acorn
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either way its lose/lose

slim pike
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perhaps

fathom lake
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It makes it really hard to get ranks

orchid acorn
slim pike
orchid acorn
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going from best hammer>worst hammer in like one patch without a single change is wild

slim pike
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as in, mechanically, what gameplay style is it really going for?

orchid acorn
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Presumably, night shuffling

fathom lake
orchid acorn
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they likely looked at the omega centric aspect count and didn't like the math

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so they shifted design space from the OG shiva to current shiva

fathom lake
orchid acorn
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which PERSONALLY as a fists fan im sad about and liked the execute more

slim pike
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but it's also easily the Regular Attack focused coat

orchid acorn
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but the balance on og shiva was horrendous

slim pike
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even though Mel coat seems to want to be that

orchid acorn
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that was part of why they shifted away from the base attack focus

cinder gorge
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hmm, anything worth doing before 1.0 comes out?

orchid acorn
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now the base attack damage is cracked from legacy design

slim pike
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still has that brutal attack chain though

orchid acorn
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but don't tell sgg that cuase they will nerf it

fathom lake
cinder gorge
orchid acorn
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just go farm chronos and typhon 10000 times so you get 1 gorillion prestige at 1.0

fathom lake
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IM waiting for a few Hammer and ET fixes on 1.0 ngl

slim pike
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Mel only really has an edge because Exhaust Riser is incredible but Mooncrest riser is a joke

fathom lake
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What does Mooncrest riser do again?

slim pike
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+20% radius +40% damage on a 55 power dash-strike

cinder gorge
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what's this prestige thing

fathom lake
slim pike
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Exhaust Riser is like dashing heave for coat, doubles the number of hits

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and fittingly for the visuals, goes real nice with flame strike

orchid acorn
fathom lake
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Mooncrest riser its so useless like the Morrrigan special hammer

cinder gorge
orchid acorn
cinder gorge
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oh?

slim pike
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it's how you decorate the crossroads

orchid acorn
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its EA exclusive in the sense that z sand and void lens's won't be sellable for prestige(probably, at least they currently can't)

slim pike
cinder gorge
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over 40 hours in and I still can't decorate the crossroads

orchid acorn
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its literally just a measure to prevent instant endgame players