h2-discussion

[cursive kayak]

ill just consider it a quirk of my file

just like me having 31/30 grasp activated

[vast coyote]

Oh yeah, I rember that

[cursive kayak]

it was 32/30 during one of the updates but it switched back to 31/30

because they kept shifting the grasp amount of some cards

i wanna say the extra is coming from the champions being worth 4? but im unsure

[narrow geode]

what is the best build for each weapon

[orchid acorn]

probably hestia anubis
anything morrigan
idk torches im kinda disconnected from that weapon in terms of meta, but its probably the basic moros build of zeus special high % attack
immortal nergal apollo attack
medea skull zeus special aphro or ares attack
posiedon nyx? maybe apollo shiva but i think nyx is better in an overall sense

[twin apex]

even though hestia might be better, i have so much fun on anubis with hera attack + static shock

[covert badge]

still not over this pic to this day lmao
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1351057987577450588/1400733197125419088/Untitled1.png?ex=68c70f32&is=68c5bdb2&hm=f566756ddfec734b1963d66d582daac7e76e7091bdd45a0786b0ce99edbfcfd8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[wide socket]

torches is kinda bad imo... also it dont stagger/stun enemies

[solemn fractal]

I mean, hades looks diff than this

It still could be Zag

[orchid acorn]

ok now remove your bias from the hades 2 art cause its pretty obviously hades

since this was like a full year if not 1.5 years before EA

[solemn fractal]

Nooooo let me remain biased

I don’t want good data, I wanna be biased and sick

[cursive kayak]

moros torches are peak

the hidden torch aspect is great, and a friend of mine does 62 fear aspect of melinoe on torches

u just gotta know how to use them

aspect of moros is my favorite aspect in the whole game

[wide socket]

hope they fix tourches's hidden expect as they dont attack when you press attack if there are no target in the room.. feels bad trying to break cocoon and urns

[merry whale]

for what it's worth i think all the torch aspects are actually cracked rn, it's only omega special on non-supay aspects that don't stagger, tho the stagger time is still relatively small for sure

[wide socket]

hmmm i'll revisit in 1.0 i guess

my final task before 1.0 is to see how rival cronus and typhon feels...

still havent beat rival cronus.. the first time i lost at 30% hp left at second phase... seems like his moves are faster and dont have very clear telegraph...

[limber summit]

When are all the times we even see zag I only remember seeing him once when he was frozen

[twin apex]

i'd suggest aspect of moros. it just puts out some insane damage numbers, especially when you combine it with good attack boons like hera for hitch or aphrodite (since you're pretty much always nearby) for raw damage

[wide socket]

i tried supay with zeus, hep and hestia... its kinda fun especially with the autofire, dash blast and chain lightning

[twin apex]

that works for the most part! the only thing that doesn't synergize well is heph, and I'd replace him with hera since hitch really boosts damage output against crowds

[cursive kayak]

hera is very good with moros torches

honestly Most Things work with it, it's just crazy damage

[twin apex]

hera is just a top tier olympian in general. hitch is just super strong, and she has good support in things like bridal glow, extended family, and proper upbringing

[cursive kayak]

true

[wide socket]

would you use hera zeus duo boon? XP

[cursive kayak]

ok so funny u say that

[wide socket]

i find that gunning for the duo usually mess up my build

[cursive kayak]

i didnt intend to get it, but i did, and so i got lvl 11. and then i got the echo thing where she doubles your highest level

and then in the shop before cerby i got a heroic aphrodite sacrifice for the attack LMAO

[little mason]

what was the percent dmg

[cursive kayak]

i ended up with lvl 25 heroic flutter strike which was +400%

[little mason]

😭

[wide socket]

[granite mauve]

[cursive kayak]

it was a 0 fear run unfortunately. though i did get my best time that run

14:08

[wide socket]

oh and a tangent.. anyone notice how athena's spear hand for her 2d model is flipped with the 3d model?

that grinds my gear a bit

[cursive kayak]

i never noticed that

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide socket]

i'll send a screenshot if you want to see

[cursive kayak]

sure

[wide socket]

i did a f10 feeedback on that too

[cursive kayak]

actually can u send images in here?

[wide socket]

via link iirc

[cursive kayak]

ah

[wide socket]

one sec

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1248286255784136806/1416656948694220810/Screenshot_54.png?ex=68c7a418&is=68c65298&hm=74bafcfa4c9827aba537682e418c4dcb8bb398b84e8925adb0f38f13e200f06e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=660&height=371

also idk why zeus' mana sphere need an extra step to consume it while diyo's soda can and plasma doesnt

[cursive kayak]

it's probably a biproduct of the days where poseidon's mana regen were bubbles

cuz in that case it zeus's would have absolutely nullified it

[wide socket]

its an extra step for a fast paced game =/

usually i gravitate towards aphro, demeter, hestia's mana regen

never used hera's properly

appolo's regen is not always usable

[cursive kayak]

im not a huge fan of hera's for mana heavy builds

hestia's is my favorite

[elfin forge]

how do you post photos?

[wide socket]

post somewhere else and copy image link

[wide socket]

hestia's too op.. should have been regen if a target gets chain damage

[cursive kayak]

nah let my girl be 😭

[wide socket]

demeter's too is also kinda broken lol

[cursive kayak]

demeter’s has the tradeoff of having to stand still though

which is why I never really use it

[wide socket]

its only 0.5s

[cursive kayak]

eh fair yeah

still though my playstyle is like Moving All The Time

[merry whale]

it's a cool boon cuz it forces u to find a spot to actually stand still for a breather

[wide socket]

thats about the time you take rafuge on a huge aoe attack

[cursive kayak]

fair

ugh sept 25th cannot come soon enough

[hallow vault]

Yeah

I have the urge to restart and i Played like 3 Hours Yesterday

But i need to be patient

[stoic urchin]

[uncut galleon]

it's so annoying when chaos gives you three options related to your magic when you don't need magic

also, my life is empty now that i can't dump every little thing like that into the feedback channel

[wheat fog]

Will they reset data on 1.0 release?

[buoyant matrix]

no

you will only lose zsand and void lens

[wheat fog]

sick see you all in 25

[cursive kayak]

I already have so much prestige I do not need more😭

I have bought every decoration

[uncut galleon]

maybe there'll be some kind of resource dump like in h1

[cursive kayak]

realistically I understand why they’re doing it

[buoyant matrix]

it's a reward for those who didn't no life the game

oh and yeah a resource dump would be great

[cursive kayak]

OOOOOO I almost completely forgot about that LMAO

[buoyant matrix]

would also force me to run more high fear surface

[cursive kayak]

let’s hope! I have so many extra resources

[buoyant matrix]

i stopped selling fish ever since i didn't need bones anymore

occasionally buying an ambrosia cause i know we'll need a ton for the character quests

[cursive kayak]

I always kept at least one of every fish

(which turned out to be a good idea LMAO)

yeah im gonna stock up on more ambrosia, i started doing that in between runs today

[buoyant matrix]

considering we have the greatest gift of gaia i assume the resource dump will demand A TON of stuff to complete

[cursive kayak]

for nectar im good i have like 265

[buoyant matrix]

enough to rival the 325k darkness grind

[cursive kayak]

maybe the resource dump will be at the end of the game where we have to rebuild the house of hades once we boot chronos out?

maybe even an olympus version too. but the house of hades would make sense to me at least

[wide socket]

It has happens… sometimes even hammer give me all 3 options for special only…

[uncut galleon]

yeah, it's even more annoying with the hammers because at least chaos can be re-rolled

although in that case, i had re-rolled into those 3 magic options

[sleek oar]

How do ppl have so much nectar i think i have 10 😭

And not every character is maxed out cause i dont like a couple of them

[south tartan]

anyone know if translations are available? I can't find anything in the steam settings

[uncut galleon]

they're in the game

menu > options > language

[hallow vault]

My TL is filled with Hades 2 simping

Everyones simping for the Mel Backside 😭

[short raft]

lulz

[empty abyss]

anons discovering back anatomy for the first time

[limpid oar]

It happens if you play uw, nectar has the best minor reward pick-up bonus

[cursive kayak]

yeah the random pom effect is nice

even though ive maxed out everyone, if its between that and ash/bones then ill take the nectar

granted if you really wanted more u could grind surface runs for eris and just make it

[wheat fog]

wait i just realized since hades 2 is gonna release in september 25 its gonna release on 25/25/25

[cursive kayak]

9/25/25 (or 25/9/25)

[empty abyss]

the typa goons that Chronos be employing to his army

[uncut galleon]

can't believe it's already been 25 months this year

[smoky rover]

25 was 20 years ago

feeling old yet

[stuck horizon]

god it's refreshing to see this word being used for this meaning instead of the newer meaning

it should mean lackeys, henchmen, etc not... what it's come to mean

[somber kelp]

hi, i buy the game yesterday, i played 2 hours, its a fkin great game

[hollow lily]

I'm gooning bro

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133217404126756956/1416729966460141709/i-thought-i-hired-goons-v0-ndssw103alte1.png?ex=68c7e819&is=68c69699&hm=26b42914a86cecf3c9c0783e28086ab4bb20d4e84707bb355e8d52e1f66f683b&

[uncut galleon]

not in this server you're not

i remember when the mods reprimanded us for using the emoji too much in reaction to nemesis

[hollow lily]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-sus-face-james-doakes-suspicious-james-doakes-reaction-erik-king-gif-14404252364057104628

[wise crater]

Hey guys, I'm new to the game and just found out it's not done, but it will come out this month. Is that true?

[paper marsh]

yes

[supple nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1366936973201244263/1413601552412704828/IMG_8166.gif

[paper marsh]

in 11 days

[wise crater]

yayy

any date?

[paper marsh]

25th

[wise crater]

oh, wonderful

[paper marsh]

dont worry about the game not fully releasing rn you can play it, 11 days isnt enough to fully experience it anyways as it is rn

[supple nymph]

technically its already out because of early access

[wise crater]

no no no i just did beat the time titan and then was BIG GAME NOT DONE alert

[supple nymph]

the gameplay aspect is finished

[paper marsh]

thats fine you still have a lotttttttt to experience

youre very far from done

[wise crater]

yea yea

best game to play on the steam deck

H1 was sooo fun

i was sad it was over

then i see there is H2 so happy

[hollow lily]

Eyhhhhh. Inb4 tweaks

[supple nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-13708252107644306338

[robust basin]

I just saw the 1.0 release trailer and I would like to ask when is the anime coming out?

[loud sail]

Should I start a new save file when 1.0 comes out or is it okay to keep playing on my maxed out save

[wide socket]

Anime… where every episode is a new night?

[wide socket]

Asking for permission? Start new in god mode then

[buoyant matrix]

want to hear all the dialogue again = start a new save
don't want to grind to upgrade everything again = keep your current save

[hollow lily]

Darkside: new game + cheat Engine

But you didn't hear that from me. I grinded my way through

[modest plover]

wait is the hades 2 1.0 update releasing on pc on the 25th? or is it only going to 1.0 on the switch

[robust basin]

16-18 episodes.
Would be so cool.

Unless the protagonist is played by me, and then we have 300 episodes.

[acoustic ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[glacial parrot]

jkJjaox i just watched the launch trailer (IF YOU HAVENT SEEN IT GO SEE IT)

And i realised its coming the 25th

JUST IN TIME FOR MY BIRTHDAY >:D

[empty fractal]

YO I JUST GOT BACK, WHAT DID I JUST HEAR?! SEPT 25!?

[glacial parrot]

YESSSS

IFKWKXNRKA HEHEHEHEHE

[empty fractal]

HAIL YASSSSSSS IM EATING GOOD THIS MONTH!

[glacial parrot]

WATCH THE LAUNCH TRAILER. NOW

IT’S ANIMATED

ANIMATED

[empty fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-really-say-what-huh-sorry-gif-18452215

a trailer?!

[glacial parrot]

ITS ANIMATEEEDDD

WATCH IT 🫵🫵🫵🫵

[empty fractal]

mommy hecate with them abs = v =

[glacial parrot]

They had no business making everyone so hot or so adorable

[empty fractal]

id sell my soul for a hades animated series!

[glacial parrot]

FRRRRR

IN THE NAME OF OLYMPUS, I BEG FOR A SHOW

[empty fractal]

step aside arcane! im hungry for more abs

[glacial parrot]

Yes..

My favourite hades 2 voiceline ive heard was early access only thoooo

:(((

[empty fractal]

🫠

[glacial parrot]

IFIWKXIRS WE FINALLY GET TO SEE WHATS IN ZAGS ROOM :0

[sleek oar]

Imagine the dio and aphro posters are still hung up lol

[empty abyss]

bro might be The princess of the Underworld herself

[glacial parrot]

Heh

[uncut galleon]

by the way, do we know at what time v1.0 will be available on the 25th?

like, is it just 0:00 in whatever time zone you are? i don't normally get games at release

[empty abyss]

imagine sitting infront of your computer for the whole day just itching to see the game's update like yo a kid receiving yo christmas gifts on christmas eve

[uncut galleon]

this is probably what i will be doing, yes

[verbal rampart]

That'll be me. That'll be all of us.

[empty abyss]

It will indeed

[tough hawk]

will they increase the price when 1.0 dropped later on?

[uncut galleon]

no

[hallow vault]

So one Thing i learned

Rivals Chronos regains the Power of the pause screen

[oak ivy]

you can then get an incantation to undo it yet again

[verbal rampart]

Yes. Because to hell with your pause. But there's a cauldron thing to stop it.

[hallow vault]

Yeah i dir

Did

[oak ivy]

no it will most likely be some around Noon for the EST timezone, that's my assumption based on how the updates come out

[hallow vault]

The game will be a sucess

[oak ivy]

the games usually come out at the same time for everyone

[empty abyss]

goddamn I am listening to the Summit song

its an upgrade from Hades 1

[glacial parrot]

I cant wait to see zags room

[verbal rampart]

Darren Korb truly is the greek god of music

[glacial parrot]

I CANT WAIT TO SEE IF MY THEORY ON THE GAME END SEQUENCE IS CORRECT HEHEHEHEHE

[glacial parrot]

Real.

[verbal rampart]

What theory? Share

[glacial parrot]

Hehehehehe
So
I believe that the servants pf the house are all stuck in time like shown in the game, locked in Zagreus’ room and pushed into their best memories so they dont TRY to escape

And you have to go into each ones mind and prove to them its an illusion

[verbal rampart]

...oh. Oh indeed. That would make sense. Interesting theory, thanks!

[glacial parrot]

My sequence goes;
You go in achilles’ mind and he’s currently trying to escape because he loves pat too much to be fooled my illusions

Then you go to dusa and convince her

Them to meg, then than, then nyx, then persephone, then zag

Maybe each one helps with the next in the sequence

[glacial parrot]

:3

[brave urchin]

11 DAYS TILL HADES 2 RELEASE!!!

[empty fractal]

i cant wait to shove a middle finger on chronos's face!

[brave urchin]

[glacial parrot]

YEEEESSS

What do u guys think of my theoryyy

[empty fractal]

didnt catch it, could you mention it :0

[glacial parrot]

Erm

:3

[hallow vault]

I ask myself what will Happen in the epilogue

[torpid grove]

What did you answer?

[hallow vault]

I doubt it will be chronos saying he is sry lmao

Maybe u will banish him and then whenever u beat him u banish him again

And Typhon? Idfk lmao

[verbal rampart]

Also I can't wait for the reveal of the Entropy recipe / way of obtaining

[glacial parrot]

Ooo

[hallow vault]

They gonna cook for sure

[grizzled flint]

Put him in a pit and zap prison bars above it like in Disney's Hercules

[buoyant matrix]

we will talk about our differences with chronos then live happily ever after together

[uncut galleon]

figured it might be different from the updates since it's also on the nintendo eshop, but yeah, it makes sense

[grizzled flint]

Might also be just the normal Steam release time

[oak ivy]

oh yeah, good point, I have no idea how it works on different platforms

[uncut galleon]

just looked it up, apparently it does depend on the publisher so est noon sounds likely

[uncut galleon]

can time attend a non-violent communication workshop?

[sleek oar]

Can therapy stop time?

[verbal rampart]

Now that would be cool

[oak ivy]

only if Time agrees to it willingly, which isn't likely 😔

[sleek oar]

Yeaaah i fear he has no hope of surviving mel

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/you-ded-you-dieded-died-dieded-hornet-died-gif-8163515769741623680

[verbal rampart]

Git gud

Also, drink a shot every time Hornet says "Shaw!"

[oak ivy]

she actually doesn't say it at all in Silksong 😭

[verbal rampart]

...oh.

[oak ivy]

it's probably the only criticism I have for this game, otherwise it's perfect 10/10

11/10 even!!!!

[buoyant matrix]

the other criticism i have for it is the goddamn ||bilewater|| bench

[oak ivy]

THAT WAS SOOO EVIL

IT WAS PURE EVIL!!!!!! SATAN MADE THAT

... but at the same time it was also extremely funny

I beat act 3 finally yesterday by the way @buoyant matrix 😊

[stuck horizon]

archaic seal and ferry voucher in the same charon well let's gooooooo

[buoyant matrix]

yeah sure go ahead rub it in my face smh my smh 🙄

[oak ivy]

Oh WAIT I forgor you can't play 😭

I'm sorry hahahaha

[buoyant matrix]

[pseudo wing]

I guess that the incantation will trap chronos in a timeloop, like dr strange abd dormamu type of situation. This way mel can continue fighting him (like in h1 with zag, where he became a kinda a security tester after u finish the story)

[oak ivy]

yeah that's the most common theory right now

[woeful oriole]

||bilewater|| in general should be deleted

[twin apex]

||bilewater and sinnner's road|| are the only two "bad" areas in the game and nowhere else is even close to those two imo

[pseudo wing]

Would be funny if hades continued to sit locked up with bouldy lol
I wanna see sisyphus back at his spot tho, was his whereabouts mentioned in h2? I cant remember

[buoyant matrix]

i think hades will be freed but he decides to stay with bouldy

[oak ivy]

I kinda hated the ||sands of karak because I did it when it still dealt 2 damage when you fall into the worms AND I did it without a double jump 😭, it was AWFUL||

[verbal rampart]

Hades talks about him at one moment, basically saying "Oh, someone tried to cheat death and was punished there"

[twin apex]

bouldy keepsake when?

[polar abyss]

I feel like Hades may have a change of heart though, perhaps. I don’t think he’ll go back to chaining Sisyphus. Like his attitude towards Prometheus feels a bit more sympathetic than the rest of the Olympian’s responses to his freedom

[pseudo wing]

Hades gonna train bouldy so he can give his boons to mel confirmed 🔥🔥🔥

[buoyant matrix]

nuh uh, hades and hypnos are nigh guaranteed, the last left available imo will be the fates

[maiden salmon]

Is it the 25th yet?

[elfin forge]

best familiar with pan aspect?

[oak ivy]

almost!

[buoyant matrix]

11 left

[oak ivy]

any?

[twin apex]

i've waited 2 weeks for silksong, i can do it again for hades

[polar abyss]

I guess Raki, because the knives can each individually crit on the two hits with TK Pan.

But also Toula or Gale are better for defense. Depends on what you need.

[verbal rampart]

If you decide, for whatever reason, to travel in space very close to the speed of light, you can be at the 25th in a few minutes!

[oak ivy]

yeah but that's a boring answer.... just play whatever!!

[elfin forge]

i played the original game for 30 minutes and uninstalled after i got bored, did i make a mistake?

[oak ivy]

you can be there a few minutes ago*

[polar abyss]

Sometimes the truth hurts. In this case, it hurts because it is boring

[twin apex]

hollow knight or hades 1? either way, yes that was a mistake, both were amazing

[buoyant matrix]

metroidvanias always start very slow

[oak ivy]

in that case Raki is the "best" familiar for any build, so that's kinda stupid

[elfin forge]

hollow knight

[buoyant matrix]

and even as someone that has played many of them, the first 2-3 hours will always be very confusing and maybe even boring

[elfin forge]

i was afraid it would be grindy which set me off really quickly

[polar abyss]

Nuh uh. Toula is best for damage when it comes to any Scorch builds, because crits do not effect scorch

[buoyant matrix]

it's not, you just have to explore a lot

[oak ivy]

[pseudo wing]

Gale is the best pet, dodge maxxing is the way

[twin apex]

yea hollow knight was an amazing game. it takes a bit to get the abilities and stuff, but once you get mothwing cloak and mantis claw, it picks up really fast

[polar abyss]

It’s true! I’ve done Circe and Nyx 62s with Toula, and it felt great

[oak ivy]

incorrect: toula and hecuba are the best!

[twin apex]

i am a certified raki enjoyer

[quick hearth]

Bro

[buoyant matrix]

you're all wrong, frinos is the best pet to take on every aspect

[empty abyss]

what does Gale do, havent gotten the pookie

[buoyant matrix]

amphibian supremacy 🐸

[oak ivy]

Frinos is too fat....

[pseudo wing]

Counterpoint: cute squiggly polecat

[twin apex]

crit birb

[sleek oar]

I saw an indie game company that was like “dammit silksong is releasing the same month as our game, but we wont push the date” and now they got hades2 in the same month as well 😭

[buoyant matrix]

4% dodge chance, blocks 3 hits for you every region

[oak ivy]

I must admit... I don't think Gale is cute......... 😔 💔

[polar abyss]

I mean Rival Cerberus does exist. And that hurts.

[empty abyss]

wow

[pseudo wing]

Gives u 4% dodge or something around that, he can block attacks tree times if he stands between u n the attacker

[sleek oar]

Yall raki is the best

[elfin forge]

but how is raki good if i play pan poseidon ? since crits wont help much with the boon

[quick hearth]

Wait.The game 1.0 will be out on 25/09??????? Hot damn going with the time zone it will be on 26/09 my birthday XD. Loving this so much

[buoyant matrix]

it doesn't matter where he's standing he will teleport to you instantly

[empty abyss]

Rival Cerb feels like a goddamn MMO boss cuz what the Hell

[buoyant matrix]

raki gives you global crit chance

[polar abyss]

The Crits Raki gives are Global buffs. It’s like that one 3% crit chance Artemis boon

[sleek oar]

Love pressure points

[oak ivy]

global as in I get crit chance in real life too?

[polar abyss]

But again, Scorch is the exception, because SGG thought Hestia over performed.

[elfin forge]

so regardless of boon

[sleek oar]

Who are you fighting irl 🤨

[oak ivy]

myself 😔

[torpid grove]

They have confirmed the timezones?

[polar abyss]

Well, regardless if it’s not Scorch

[empty abyss]

SGG when Hestia deals over 50 dps

[twin apex]

but the funny thing is that raki and pressure points stack

[buoyant matrix]

i sure hope not, imagine playfully slapping your friend and he gets flung across the room 😨

[sleek oar]

No girl we gotta fight time, get it together 🤧

[twin apex]

real ones know about the cherished heirloom -> white antler strat

[polar abyss]

Who shall be the bet on winning? Lilac or Jon?

[oak ivy]

you're right!!!!!!!! we'll kill time so we stop aging!!!

[oak ivy]

I am not beating anyone in here 😭

[sleek oar]

Lilac is rhe safe bet im ngl

[buoyant matrix]

"stay beautiful forever" ahh mentality

[sleek oar]

I am so hungover a fly could swing me across the room today

[polar abyss]

Great, so both competitors think they will lose. Fantastic

/s.

[quick hearth]

steam have their own timezone so usually its on the same time no?

[polar abyss]

I haven’t seen this energy since Glass Joe

[elfin forge]

Did anyone manage to win with toula alone?

[oak ivy]

yes I think I saw a video like that on yotubue a long time ago

[twin apex]

it was boated right?

[polar abyss]

I mean you can win with Toula alone. But adding more fear makes it well, harder.

[sleek oar]

There should be a solo raki run mhm, itd take like a few hours but

[polar abyss]

What I’ve noticed in my runs is that on average, Toula will deal about 30,000 damage in the UW

Though that’s a bit of a higher estimate

I’ve seen 28,000 as well show up on the board

[oak ivy]

Solo frinos run would be even worse

[sleek oar]

Frinos is a sweetheart i think he does negative damage sometimes

[polar abyss]

If you want a general look as to what that damage means, it means that Toula does about the same damage necessary to clear Rival Scylla at 0 Grit.

[pseudo wing]

Frinos already mogs one boss he can beat everyone else

[polar abyss]

Obviously you shouldn’t be relying on Toula as a damage source for the entire run, but she does genuinely help in a lot of ways at higher fears.

[buoyant matrix]

the ever malicious supay with onion vow on:

[empty abyss]

shes helping like 99 damage

[stuck horizon]

just had a run with level 12 heroic nova strike and wicked onslaught on morrigan that was bonkers

[twin apex]

an extra use for renewed faith

[empty abyss]

I wish onions provide a buff. Not just 1 health back. Would be more interactive

[stuck horizon]

onions should give mel bad breath for a few rooms meaning enemies don't get as close to you

[buoyant matrix]

i think the 1 health back should bypass the vow of scars

[twin apex]

shouldn't be affected by vow of scars just to make another exception to the rule

[twin apex]

1 brain cell shared

[pseudo wing]

What if devs add a 5% chance for the red hot pepper to drop instead of an onion, which gives the first enemy that tries to eat you 5 damage

[sleek oar]

What is scars again

[polar abyss]

All “healing” is reduced by 25%/50%/100%

[twin apex]

the vow that reduces/nullifies healing

[stuck horizon]

less effective healing, no healing at max

[buoyant matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/mgrr-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-armstrong-raiden-handshake-gif-25514798

[sleek oar]

Ah okay okay it was thr healing one

[robust basin]

If therapy can stop time then it will probably not be a nice game, but maybe I am wrong

[sleek oar]

I dont know my vow names

[stuck horizon]

I don't know all of them but some stick in my head

[buoyant matrix]

filthy casual smh smh 🫵 🙄

[sleek oar]

We’re finishing this with pure violence and malicious intent 😈

[buoyant matrix]

(/j)

[twin apex]

all you need to know is that vow of void should be removed from the game

[polar abyss]

We need to take Vow of Void, and throw it into the void.

[sleek oar]

Lowkey yeah 😭

[robust basin]

Noice!

[robust basin]

Me see effect me click button.
Me not need to see letters above effect

[sleek oar]

Exactlyyy

[elfin forge]

selene is such a stalker, like fk off

[twin apex]

? mel gives her permission though. she says "moonlight guide me" in every run

[empty fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/backhand-slap-powerslap-gif-21407086

[daring sun]

heyyy

[sleek oar]

Hi

[buoyant matrix]

selene "haters" when they start playing magick heavy aspects

[daring sun]

new here, just got the game, played first one on mobile but needed a new games so got tempted

now got second on pc

[pseudo wing]

Hades 1 is on mobile?

[oak ivy]

you... played hades on mobile? 😭

[twin apex]

10/10 game would recommend to keep playing

[sleek oar]

I gotta issue a public apology, i talked crap abt hexes so much in the past but i think theyre fun 😭

[elfin forge]

i want other boons, shes like come try this puppet making hex

[buoyant matrix]

i recommend jumping into #h2-for-new-players for obvious reasons

[daring sun]

or maybe was 2

[buoyant matrix]

was available on netflix only for ios for a good while

[daring sun]

not sure now

[buoyant matrix]

no it was 1

[pseudo wing]

I never heard of a mobile game

[sleek oar]

Its on netflix games isnt it? 😭

[oak ivy]

sounds awful......

[daring sun]

thought it was red

[pseudo wing]

… Netflix makes games?

[daring sun]

not blue

[sleek oar]

Unfortunately they do

[daring sun]

they bought up a few games and offered to people who had netflix

its like apple arcade

I mean the port wasnt bad at all

[sleek oar]

I just checked and now they have like, solittaire

Oh they have bloons

[buoyant matrix]

it's just the controls that were ass, it played well

[pseudo wing]

Damn, u telling me i gotta buy netflix to play hades on mobile 😔

[buoyant matrix]

i didn't play it myself but some people in #h1-discussion did

[daring sun]

dunno if links are allowed here

[buoyant matrix]

nope, it's gone now

[daring sun]

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/121442

press on available mobile games to see

they got some decent ports

[sleek oar]

I played like 10 minutes on mobile and decided it was too good to not play on the big screen

[polar abyss]

I mean… depending on the interpretation of Greek myth, yeah, this is true

[daring sun]

I understand you, the game I like the most on mobile that worked on the smaller screen was balatro

[polar abyss]

There’s one account / story where Selene had 50 children with a guy set to be eternally sleeping (from Pausanias)

[elfin forge]

and poseidon keeps getting trashed by everyone

[pseudo wing]

I bought the first hades, and like a day after that a second game was announced lmao

I didnt wanna start the early access until i finish the first game

[polar abyss]

This story is referenced in Hades 2, but I don’t believe it to be true in game, because that is incredibly immoral by today’s standards.

[daring sun]

are 1 and 2 seperate games or is it recommended to have finished 1 first?

[buoyant matrix]

man i skipped a ton of selene dialogue i barely know the woman

[twin apex]

the story is connected, but you don't need to know the hades 1 content to enjoy hades 2

[buoyant matrix]

99% of it is just "oooo melinoe we're the silver sisters we need to murder chronos and burn his corpse ooo"

[sleek oar]

Burnnnn him

[buoyant matrix]

so other actually interesting 1% gets buried

[sleek oar]

Apparently i started h1 in april

[pseudo wing]

You don’t have to, but it feels nice seeing the difference between first and second game. How developers grew, the changes they made etc

[daring sun]

ah then maybe I'm fine not buying 1 to be able to play 2 cause I just now bought 2 and never cleared all of 1

I mean I remember the main vibe of 1 and main features

[pseudo wing]

Also u get attached to the characters in the first game and u can kinda relate with mel more, as in “we gotta save our family mel!!”

[sleek oar]

Theres yt videos with the main story if you wanna catch up on that

[twin apex]

that's still okay! it's a completely different storyline, but it's very closely related to the first and it would have made you more familiar with the characters

[daring sun]

ah I'm gonna load up hades 2 now and play abit and we will see 😅

[sleek oar]

Zag give me 11 days bro

[pseudo wing]

One of the bosses especially. When I saw them for the first time i was like “no way U DID NOT”

[twin apex]

||uh oh?||

[sleek oar]

The first time i went “you did not.” in this game was when i saw that goddamn vermin, i hate him so much 😭

[buoyant matrix]

||dog||

[mild silo]

Do we know at what time + timezone 1.0 will be released?

[oak ivy]

most likely somewhere around noon EST

[hollow lily]

Cerberus?

Idk I just came, wus Poppin y'all

[mild silo]

I'm trying to decide if I should skip programming class to play Hades II at Iaunch

[hollow lily]

Mfer I'm out here studying for uni exams

Don't skip a class for this

[elfin forge]

Athena has too many boons for how little she appears

[mild silo]

And I'm writing my graduation project 😭

[buoyant matrix]

the ever reliable gorgon amulet:

[empty abyss]

hey bro uh. Thats technically online flashing

[elfin forge]

DD user here

[buoyant matrix]

exactly 🫵

[elfin forge]

not worth it being afraid of getting hit

Besides, there are better keepsakes

[empty abyss]

I sometimes goes against Chaos's vow to injure myself attacking enemies. They got a good chuckle out of me doing that

[mild silo]

oop, sorry, I'll remove it from this server

[buoyant matrix]

what

[empty abyss]

Dont. Just play the game.

[mild silo]

removed it, now those who don't know what we're talking about will stay that way :v

[empty abyss]

Im a straight sigma male but even I dont go that far being comfortable with my uh biological desires

[empty abyss]

2 truths 1 lie

[oak ivy]

"sigma" is the lie, easy

🤭

[mild silo]

being confortable should also be counted as a truth or lie

[elfin forge]

Moros keepsake is badass honestly

[empty abyss]

usually youre cooked if you even have to resort to 6 secconds last stand.

[mild silo]

I wonder if we'll have an achievement to reach max keepsake stacks like we had with Thanatos' keepsake in Hades 1

[stuck horizon]

possible stupid question but does hostile environment damage boost apply to the omega casts triggered by aspect of charon?

[daring sun]

wow I suck at this, do death punish you in some way at the beginning?

[orchid acorn]

we already have seen all achievements unless they add more, its not a thing

[orchid acorn]

nah deaths progress you if anything

[mild silo]

so, noon est will be around 2pm in my timezone, so I won't be able to play the game right away if I attend class

[wet crater]

i wonder if its better to start a new save on full release

[mild silo]

I know they have been announced but I didn't see them

[orchid acorn]

ehhh "Announced" not really

Accidentally uploaded and removed an hour later yes

[verbal rampart]

It depends on how much you wanna wait for the end of the story

[quaint pumice]

netflix games i think

[mild silo]

oh, I see I see

[orchid acorn]

tbh it depends on you. If you originally played the game like a year ago and only remember the vague outline and care about the lore yeah you should replay

[wet crater]

i mean i've done everything atp all the statues etc. prob better off just starting a new save to not miss new things

[mild silo]

I played a bit of Hades 1 on mobile through steam link

[orchid acorn]

if you are just here for gameplay and are fine just knowing the basic story beats of why mel is doing stuff and not individual lines, may as well just continue your current file.

[empty abyss]

you reacting like they plaid it on a sw*tch or some

[orchid acorn]

new things are almost always retroactive, or just played out of order

[oak ivy]

nothing is worse than playing on mobile come on.....
tiny screen, awful controls..... you dont get to appreciate the game at all!!!!

[wet crater]

hm try playing a tablet with a controller connected its p good

[empty abyss]

im more surprised they chose an iphone. The game time is prolly 40 minutes at max

[wet crater]

thats a fair point tbh, i can't be bothered regrinding all the upgrades

[empty abyss]

I swear my iphone 8 battery is running on life support

[orchid acorn]

like i explicitly remember medea asking me about the shaking on the mountain and wondering what it could be and mel agreeing

like ...... i have his eyes in my backpack i won like 20 times already 😭

[wet crater]

LMAO

[empty abyss]

its funny ye

[orchid acorn]

the game gets a bit wobbly if you win to fast or "out of ordeR"

if anything you will have more of those issues similarly to h1 if you are doing a 2nd file with experience

cause now you have like 20 dialogues trying to play at once when you can only do 1 at a time

[wet crater]

i beat pre nerf chronos on my 4th attempt and kept getting dialogue that was clearly meant to be pre defeat

[orchid acorn]

yep.

game isn't intended to be experienced as a good player winning that fast

[wet crater]

prob wil be when v1 comes out cause didn't hades have dialogue for beating him first try / no boons

[orchid acorn]

current already has dialogue for getting to chronos first try

just.... we canonically haven't won yet so

[vagrant mauve]

Greek gods are just horny people 😔

with godlike powers

Most of all, Zoos

ZOOOOS

[wet crater]

makes sense i guess cuz they don't want u missing have the content for being too good lol

[empty abyss]

me holding back on killing the bosses too early in the game like im the boxer who held back so the fights could last longer

[hollow lily]

Even if not, the story is not that hard to follow tbh

[stuck horizon]

380k damage from casts in the run I just had

[hollow lily]

Go ahead, pick a character I'll tell their story in 50 words or less

[orchid acorn]

in a broad standpoint yes
do you recall the exact dialogue gods talk about and give hints about as you progress the story?

for example what is artemis's first dialogue

or what hecate says after meeting cerb the first time

theres a lot more to it than the broad story beats

[empty abyss]

Nem

[stuck horizon]

charon with sword ring, cutting edge, coffin nail, hostile environment, local climate, geyser spout, prominence flare, meat grinder and arctic gale

[orchid acorn]

rewatching a story vs knowing the plot is two different things

[hollow lily]

Hello silver sister, funny seeing you here

[orchid acorn]

and then?

[empty abyss]

*Bell of despair and anguish sounds

[stuck horizon]

typhon folded like ikea furniture

[empty abyss]

bro hit him with all of it

[hollow lily]

Hecate wants her to stand watch, she despises it, her ambition is to defeat chronos as well this she sees meli as an adversary. Furthest she got was fields of sorrow and eventually meli and her have steamy hot sesbian lex

Next

[haughty hill]

This is incorrect

[orchid acorn]

well if this was your final answer incorrectbuzzer(pretty sure), it ends with them talking about how mel thinks the gods are helping her and artemis goes "lol they think you don't stand a chance"

[hollow lily]

Broadly speaking nuh uhh

[empty abyss]

this is correct

[stuck horizon]

literally only thing I can think of to make it more busted is if I got a chaos blessing for cast damage or if I got air quality to boost the fast hitting stuff like arctic gale

[haughty hill]

Nemesis's driving motivation throughout the story is that she is the single most principled and moral member of the cast by modern standards. She genuinely believes in the idea of justice and while, yes, she thinks Melinoe being favoured over her is unfair and she wants to right that...

She also doesn't think it's fair on Melinoe.

[stuck horizon]

I was gonna zeus keepsake summit but didn't have enough air so didn't bother

[oak ivy]

what's your issue with this dialogue?

[haughty hill]

She's also, separately, a pretty cruel and nasty person.

[orchid acorn]

i don't have one?

[oak ivy]

oh I misunderstood your point then..

[orchid acorn]

im saying that after playing for a year as a player you aren't going to remember every single dialogue or story world building from not big narrative events

[oak ivy]

ohhh yeah

[stuck horizon]

gamers when the character called Nemesis is sometimes antagonistic

[orchid acorn]

and its a point toward doing a new file so you can experience the story again fresh

[haughty hill]

The characters in Hades 1 and Hades 2 are written with a great deal of care and love, there's a lot of depth to them if you actually pay attention to what they have to say.

[orchid acorn]

^

[oak ivy]

I don't know if I have the time to do a fresh file anyways... I'll probably just continue with my current save file honestly

[orchid acorn]

when me and flower vender team up is this a movie special for an anime

[haughty hill]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zHkT-sMn79s/maxresdefault.jpg

[stuck horizon]

I'm gonna continue my current save which has everything unlocked, see all there is to see in the 1.0 update then make a fresh file and do it all over again

[haughty hill]

there is no context that makes this better she just says this off the cuff

[hollow lily]

I'm pretty sure that I recall her wanting to defeat chronos to prove herself for Hecate and the rest as well, I distinctly remember her having a feud with Hecate about refusing to stand watch.

Yes nemesis acts like she's the arbiter of justice (ironically makes her hateable)

[raven perch]

She’s not moral at all

[haughty hill]

Yeah, she's got a lot going on

[raven perch]

She doesn’t care about Morals she cares about Fairness

[stuck horizon]

nemesis acts like the arbiter of justice because she kinda... is?

[raven perch]

She will punish perfectly innocent people if she thinks it’s unfair that they go unpunished

[haughty hill]

I mean, yes, I'm being colloquial there in that Nemesis's principles are the most morally recognisable principles by modern standards in the Unseen.

[hollow lily]

Eris > nemesis

That's all I need to say

[oak ivy]

how can someone be innocent and deserve punishment at the same time?

[stuck horizon]

it's like saying thanatos acts like he's judge, jury and executioner, he just kinda is

[quaint pumice]

In her mind she was justified for saying this

[raven perch]

Narcissus was innocent but because his rejection of Echo hurt Echo’s feelings Nem wanted to punish him

[haughty hill]

She wasn't, actually, she apologised later

[brave urchin]

Does anyone know a video with all the hades 1 post "Hades boss battle" comentary of Homer?

[oak ivy]

ohhh yeah........

[hollow lily]

Brb I got 2 pizzas to deliver

[haughty hill]

But Nemesis is straight-up just a pretty nasty person, the contrast of this with that she's separately also very principled in a way most of the cast aren't is most of what makes her interesting to me.

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man2-spider-man-tobey-maguire-pizza-time-spiderman-meme-gif-26415903

[raven perch]

I don’t find her principled at all

Nem has no Principles she works entirely off vibes

[haughty hill]

(And she's also the first character to put forward Prometheus's perspective on the war, that Olympus might damn well deserve it.)

[stuck horizon]

she's hot and that makes her interesting to me fr though she's an interesting character

[raven perch]

Nem says whatever she wants and does whatever she believes in, those beliefs are just vibes based

[quaint pumice]

Thats the point of the character though

[raven perch]

The gods are bad for being crappy to mortals! But Nem also wants to be crappy to mortals

[raven perch]

So?

[vital pecan]

so i was away fro the weekend and when i open steam i see a message that the full release is in 2 weeks 0-0

[haughty hill]

I mean, she never critiques the gods for being crappy to mortals, actually.

[raven perch]

She says “maybe we gods deserve this, things were better for the mortals without us”

[haughty hill]

She does put forward the perspective that mortals might well be better off without the gods, but she critiques the gods on the grounds that they have it coming.

[raven perch]

But then she still goes on to want to make things bad for mortals

[haughty hill]

Which is entirely in line with her domain and her focus on cosmic justice.

I mean, justice doesn't mean 'good for mortals'. It can, but it's not a fundamental part of it.

[raven perch]

The gods have it coming because the mortals were suffering underneath them, is the logical following

[haughty hill]

It's its own independent concept.

[raven perch]

The gods “having it coming” is meaningless without the context of “the mortals were suffering underneath the gods”

[haughty hill]

she's more specific than that even, she's retribution, paying evil unto evil

[daring sun]

sorry, another noob question, how can I see what the Q spell does?

[haughty hill]

doing good things rather than punishing the wicked is entirely outside of her bailiwick

[oak ivy]

Q spell?

[daring sun]

makes a big circle

[raven perch]

She doesn’t even punish the wicked though she punishes whoever she wants

[oak ivy]

the cast? it stops the enemies from being able to move

[haughty hill]

I mean, are you talking about Narcissus?

[raven perch]

Yea

[daring sun]

ah a root kinda

[raven perch]

And Mel

[haughty hill]

Narcissus got Echo quite literally killed

[raven perch]

Not his fault!

[oak ivy]

also you can augment it with different gods to make it deal a lot of damage!
or charge an Omega version to make it deal even more damage

[raven perch]

Echo died of her own sadness which was her own fault

Narcissus is not responsible for her broken heart

[orchid acorn]

it does nothing except CC, unless you do the OMEGA version which does like 150 damage when it expires

cc= crowd control

it is single handily the best thing in mels kit

[oak ivy]

cc = cream cheese!!!

[oak ivy]

yeah you should learn to spam it all the time pretty much!

[orchid acorn]

zero cooldown(as soon as it expires you can place it again), zero animation, massive impact, stops anything not a boss etc

[haughty hill]

Presently Narcissus realized that he was lost, and hoping to be heard by his companions, or perhaps
by some mountain shepherd, he called out loudly:
“Is there anybody here?”
“Here!” cried Echo.
Narcissus stood still in amazement, looking all around in vain. Then he shouted, even more loudly:
“Whoever you are, come to me!”
“Come to me!” cried Echo eagerly.
Still no one was visible, so Narcissus called again:
“Why are you avoiding me?”
Echo repeated his words, but with a sob in her breath, and Narcissus called once more:
“Come here, I say, and let us meet!”
“Let us meet!” cried Echo, her heart leaping with joy as she spoke the happiest words that had left
her lips since the curse of Hera had fallen on her. And to make good her words, she came running out
from behind the rocks and tried to clasp her arms about him.
But Narcissus flung the beautiful nymph away from him in scorn.

[daring sun]

ah is there anywhere to see what the spells actually do? or you just gotta know?

[orchid acorn]

define spells

[oak ivy]

you'll feel it out as you play the game

[orchid acorn]

theres the training grounds that shows you all th buttons you can press next to skelly

[oak ivy]

just keep playing the game really, a lot of spells are aspect specific too

[orchid acorn]

if you mean boons, there is a list of every boon in the game but as of the latest god additions you basically need to finish both routes to unlock iot

[daring sun]

ah

[raven perch]

That’s not canon to the games man

[orchid acorn]

yeah cause ||ares|| is unlocked from meeting(not beating) the final surface boss

[raven perch]

In the games Nemesis says that she punishes Narc solely for breaking Echo’s heart, which mind you Narc has absolutely no obligation to entertain her crush

[haughty hill]

I mean neither is Narcissus being faultless...?

[orchid acorn]

and you need to gift every olympian + chaos at least once to unlock the boon list

[haughty hill]

Mel agrees with Nemesis about not lifting the curse!

[daring sun]

boon means "upgrade" ?

[oak ivy]

I don't think that's what the person was asking about....... lol

[raven perch]

The context we have shows that he is

Mel agrees with Nem because Narc seems happy with his curse

[orchid acorn]

boon means anything you select

[hollow lily]

Artemis, Aphrodite >> evil vibe goth easy

[quaint pumice]

they still cannot make me hate narcissus

[daring sun]

i just started the game sorry

[orchid acorn]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/wp-content/sites/pcgamesn/2024/05/hades-2-boons-hermes.jpg

For example these are 3 boons

[oak ivy]

you're good dw!

[orchid acorn]

side note old hermes boons 😭

[raven perch]

Narcissus did nothing wrong except be a little rude and Nemesis killed him for it

[haughty hill]

You don't need to hate narcissus but a) he isn't faultless, he even feels guilt about echo himself b) It's pretty clear from Nemesis's interactions in his room that she's genuinely hoping he learns from it c) Mel doesn't even disagree about leaving the curse on

[daring sun]

I played similliar games though just this is abit different in quite some parts

[quaint pumice]

nah he definitely is a bad person

[raven perch]

Which yeah the gods suck but you can’t act as though she’s a paragon of morality

[quaint pumice]

he's flamboyant tho

[oak ivy]

just play the game! you'll figure it out as you play!!!

[daring sun]

I played death must die before this

[raven perch]

He feels guilt about Echo because he hears she’s suffering and wants to help her

[oak ivy]

the game does a good job showing things to you, just play and experiment with different things, it will all click for you

[raven perch]

Nemesis doesn’t want him to learn from it because her curse actively prevents him from doing so

[daring sun]

ok ok

[raven perch]

Mel doesn’t disagree because Mel sees that Narc is happy with his curse

[orchid acorn]

but yeah head over here in the training grounds and you'll get a list of what you can do with the weapon. https://imgur.com/KqCYcDH

that is the staffs moveset for example

[raven perch]

Nemesis comes to visit Narcissus and chastises him for being obsessed with himself, which is the whole point of the curse she put on him. She’s chastising him for something that is her own doing

[daring sun]

only thing confusing me now is the symbols for next room

[raven perch]

That’s a Ward, you can’t go there yet until you break the spell

[daring sun]

no mean what the next room gonna be

[orchid acorn]

i think he means the ones in a normal room meow

[raven perch]

Ohhh

So the symbols are the reward items you get for beating the room

[orchid acorn]

most of them are self explanitory which ones are you having trouble with. Like you may not know what something is cause you havent gone to it before, but thats intended

[daring sun]

sure but I dunno what they are 😅

[raven perch]

Hearts give health, Blue Potions give Magic, the white stuff and green stuff are for upgrades

[orchid acorn]

yeah so you gotta go to it so you find out if you want it next time or not

[raven perch]

You should experiment yeah

[haughty hill]

he was like that before the curse

[raven perch]

He wasn’t to this extent though

[daring sun]

yeah I'll just pick one and guess tbh

[raven perch]

Nem curses him to fall in love with his reflection and gets mad at him for being in love with his reflection

[haughty hill]

Narcissus's whole thing is that he only ever loved himself

all nemesis's curse does is literalise that

[raven perch]

Yeah, and? Doesn’t mean he deserves to Die

[haughty hill]

Aphrodite killed him :p

[polar abyss]

“"What? I'm Narcissus, dummy! The Narcissus? And if you're no would-be suitor... then why don't you relieve me of one of these innumerable gifts the others offered in vain. Then beat it."” - The very first dialogue ender with Narcissus. Was Echo perhaps being a bit overdramatic. Probably, yes. ||But before, during, and after the curse ended, Narcissus is not really a nice person. And that’s the point. He is rude, and his actions have consequences on others, but up till the point of Nemesis’s curse (in game), he faced no consequences because he’s the most beautiful man in the world||

[raven perch]

Nemesis killed him in canon

[raven perch]

This dialogue is After he was cursed my guy + he’s right to be uncomfortable with strangers coming up to him

[haughty hill]

I don't actually remember her claiming responsibility for that, but I'll take your word for it.

here's nemesis's actual exchange with narcissus

"Sounds bad, that's how! But also like something somebody playing hard-to-get would say. So I don't know! Now why don't you... tell me some more about yourself?"

"Wait, you want me to stay. Something's come over you, all right. Well, clear enough that my work here is done. Know what's good for you, then don't go breaking any other hearts."
This is, literally, Nemesis encountering Narcissus's character-growth-via-Melinoe

[orchid acorn]

if you want an overall explanation
minor resources
white things = meta resource to buy arcana cards
purple bones = currency to buy from the shopkeeper at home
bottle of yellow stuff = nectar, increases relationship progress with NPCS
All of the above stay permanently

major resources -temporary for this specific run
Blue and red heart = 25 max hp(that run)
blue bottle = 30 max magick
coin = 100 currency for this run to spend in a shop
fruit= power up a boon by 1 level
god symbols = representing each god for you to get their boons, they all are pretty distinct
Hammer = modifies your current weapon in a transformative way
gold skull room = a shop
mini white skull on the room= miniboss
? room = friendly NPC room

i feel like im forgetting something

[raven perch]

"Why all the rancor toward Narcissus, by the way? I see how he could be a little irritating, but he doesn't seem all that bad."

"Should have seen what he did to this poor Nymph. Absolutely broke her heart. Didn't even notice, or care."

"Didn't take you for the sentimental type. I thought you concerned yourself with worse than lovers' quarrels."

"Narcissus cared only for himself, not for anyone around him. Had to make an example of him. He wound up madly in love. With his own reflection. Till the day he died."

[daring sun]

pink melting heart

[haughty hill]

Like I feel you are taking a maximally generous interpretation of narcissus at every turn here which I mean that's fine and dandy I subscribe to reader-response that's cool

I just don't think you can use that to proscribe nemesis's character

[orchid acorn]

thats one of the god symbols, aphrodite

[daring sun]

ah

[raven perch]

I don't see why not? This is all in text

[haughty hill]

"Narcissus cared only for himself, not for anyone around him. Had to make an example of him. He wound up madly in love. With his own reflection. Till the day he died.
Alright there we go, that makes sense but also like

[raven perch]

I'm not basing any of this off the myths this is alll just on the textual interactions

[haughty hill]

that lines up with the myth going

As he wandered through the woods and valleys, many a nymph looked upon him and loved him.
But Narcissus laughed at them scornfully for he loved only himself.

[daring sun]

thank you for writing that out 😅

[raven perch]

Maybe the mythical Narcissus sucked but the Hades Narcissus is perfectly fine

[haughty hill]

'Narcissus only cares for himself and not for anyone around him' is like the core of his myth and why his punishment is ironic

[raven perch]

This doesn't mean he should die

[haughty hill]

I simply don't agree that H2 has cut that from its interpretation of him, the text does not support that

[raven perch]

It doesn't! I'm not arguing that he wasn't self-absorbed before

But the point you were making is that Nem wanted him to learn a lesson: no she didn't

She wanted to punish him

[haughty hill]

She explicitly says 'her work here is done'

because he's recognising people outside himself and offering to spend time with them

[raven perch]

None of which is her doing! That was Mel's influence

[haughty hill]

I mean, sure

[orchid acorn]

np just ask if you ahve any questions

[haughty hill]

but just because her attempt didn't work didn't mean it was in bad faith

[raven perch]

Nem wanted to punish him and cursed him to be in love with himself. him growing out of that has nothing to do with her

[haughty hill]

it was like-for-like retribution and ironic punishment with an eye towards rehabilitation

not her being hypocritical

[polar abyss]

People have used punishments as a way to “teach someone”. This is the example. If there’s a different example; parents getting children to stay in their room. That is a punishment, used to “teach” a child not to do XYZ.

[daring sun]

how about https://i.gyazo.com/723bd09b5731bfaaed6fa9cf8a2a4c11.png

[orchid acorn]

apollo, god symbol

[daring sun]

ok ty

[orchid acorn]

hes the god you had on your first room of the game

[polar abyss]

The whole “had to make an example out of him”, is to Teach Narcissus, and Teach other people, to be more kind and caring to each other, rather than be too well, narcissistic

[haughty hill]

yeah I mean, narcissus did indeed become an international fable, so...

[raven perch]

"...Look at me when I'm talking to you, you louse. Oh, right. You can't. Must be so sick of staring at yourself by now."

"The only thing I'm sick of, {#Emph}I-Forget-Your-Name{#Prev}, is you tramping about, disturbing my peace! If you don't have anything nice to say, why don't you {#Emph}go?"

"Still indignant after all this time. Had you learned to show respect, you might not be stuck forever in the company of a buffoon. Well, drink it in."

[raven perch]

There's such a thing as positive and negative punishment which is about the punisher "adding" something as punishment or "taking away" something as punishment. Nemesis was doing a positive punishment

[haughty hill]

Had you learned to show respect, you might not be stuck forever in the company of a buffoon.
this quite directly implies that there are scenarios where the curse would be lifted...

[orchid acorn]

me reading this discourse when i have no strong feelings about either character https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/97/46/ab97466c0b4fb8f5bfed84f2dc3fcb57.gif

[raven perch]

How could he possibly be expected to show respect to Nemesis when she literally cursed him to not

[haughty hill]

nemesis is cruel and nasty and generally kind of a bully but she genuinely believes in her role as goddess of retribution and in the principles of fairness and her complaints about it are that she's not allowed to do it properly

that her view of fairness is not the same as yours is not a problem with the writing and it doesn't make her not principled

[raven perch]

Her idea of "fairness" is not a true fairness it is her perception of fairness

[haughty hill]

yes well, we all perceive nothing more than shadows upon a wall

[raven perch]

It does make her unprincipled because these are not principles these are whims

Like I said earlier with the example of the mortals

[haughty hill]

where are these transcendent principles because you're reaching for something kant failed at there

[raven perch]

It's not about transcendent principles or whatever it is about her own hypocrisy

Nemesis complains about not being able to punish the mortals, and then when given the opportunity to go to the surface she Doesn't Take It

[haughty hill]

She's not hypocritical! She is entirely consistent within her own principles, there is no such thing as a transcendent definition of 'fairness', all forms of fairness depend on the viewer.

[raven perch]

this is her being hypocriticial man

[haughty hill]

No? She doesn't go to the surface because she thinks olympus kinda deserves it and she's got like a million other things to do.

[raven perch]

Like sit around doing nothing. or beating up on mel

[haughty hill]

Please remember her showing up on UW runs is her skiving off her actual assigned duty.

[raven perch]

She can skive off her assigned duty to do what she's been complaining about not doing all this time

[haughty hill]

That she prioritises 'fighting Chronos' over 'visiting the surface to screw up some mortals' when the implication I took from that conversation you're referencing is she hates how Olympus stop her going after kings and other gods is not like, hypocrisy

[raven perch]

Which either makes her stupid or ineffective

[quaint pumice]

yo they gotta summon another meteor to kill dyno again

[raven perch]

It's either her being a hypocrite in refusing to take the action she truly cares about, or she's just being dumb

[robust basin]

What is happening?

[haughty hill]

god I am not even much of a nemesis fan why am I stuck as her most ardent defender here, you're being genuinely ridiculous and unfair and applying your extremely stringent views of 'fairness' onto a narrative that is in large part interrogating the idea of fairness from several different perspectives!

[oak ivy]

I finished Silksong yesterday!!

[quaint pumice]

like ending or true ending

[haughty hill]

Dora, Prometheus, Nemesis, Melinoe, Athena, Arachne and Hades all have pretty direct and diverse views on what is and isn't fair and 'what's fair, in the end' is looking to be the question the entire game's story is likely to turn on!

[robust basin]

I'm still in act 2😭
But I just need to sing a song

[raven perch]

"You know, mortals have a word for deliberate cruelty or callous negligence: They call it evil. I could always catch wind of it. I'd go to the source. And whoever it was, I'd make them pay." 

"But now you're stuck here, and the evil goes unchecked..."

"A lot of it, I'm sure."

---

"Could be going after perpetrators of unspeakable evil across the surface, but you're asking me to go after some poor fish? Uh, no."

---


 "...How long has it been since you've visited the surface?" 

"Too long. Cooped up here now in case you hadn't noticed. But, it's a lost cause anyway. Why do you ask?"

 "Hermes requested that I pay a visit when I can. Wanted to know what to expect." 

"It's like I said. The dead are out and about up there thanks to our Titan friend. You'll feel right at home."

[haughty hill]

That you're coming in and saying that Nemesis is hypocritical and her writing is bad because she does not fit your own specific views of fairness, in that context, is prima facie absurd.

[oak ivy]

Act 3 is actually relatively short if you just go for the main objectives 💔

[quaint pumice]

the true final boss is so stupid dawg

[haughty hill]

Oh forgot Heracles, he's another different perspective.

[quaint pumice]

not gonna spoil it though

other than that its stupid

[raven perch]

It's not about my own views on fairness it's about her not sticking true to her own beliefs.

The point about Narcissus was me speaking to Nem's morality, of which I find her very immoral

[robust basin]

People speedrun the game in 1 hour and 10 or 20 minutes so it makes sense.
I was collecting skills. I don't know if I have all of them or not, but I have nowhere else to go now. I should probably just go to act 3

[oak ivy]

I am siding with meow!

[haughty hill]

I mean, whether someone's principles are moral or immoral in large part depends on the reader, but she sticks to them better than most people do.

[robust basin]

Can you explain to me what's happening?

[quaint pumice]

nem dont really care bout that anyway

[raven perch]

That I agree with ! Except for the surface thing

[raven perch]

yeah exactly, Nem just doesn't care

[oak ivy]

Uhhh not really

[haughty hill]

I was describing her as principled the entire time 😩

[raven perch]

It's not principles though is my argument

[polar abyss]

I think it’s about Arguments about if Nemesis is morally right or principles, and focusing on Narcissus

[sleek oar]

I am also siding with meow (whats happening)

[raven perch]

These aren't Nem sticking to her principles these are her sticking to her beliefs which I feel are different things

[quaint pumice]

i mean its in her perspective

[raven perch]

yeah exactly

[oak ivy]

I don't know but meow always has good well thought out points..
though so does Flower Vendor honestly too...

[haughty hill]

I am genuinely very upset that this is the hair splitting that's caused all this drama and I'm going to go make food now.

[raven perch]

Flower Vendor has better more articulate arguments than me usually I'm just very stubborn

[raven perch]

I'm sorry 😔

[oak ivy]

So many arguments happen over semantics, it's pretty common 😔

[robust basin]

How is nemesis even related to narcissus?🤔

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-ragebait-meme-gif-17379236574468569416

me ragebaiting

[raven perch]

Nem is the one that cursed (and ultimately killed) Narc

[polar abyss]

||She was the one who cursed Narcissus||

[robust basin]

Narc is cursed??? In-game or in myth?

[raven perch]

Both

[polar abyss]

Both

[raven perch]

Nem cursed him to fall in love with his reflection

[oak ivy]

you do love being so nitpicky over people's choice of words 😭

[robust basin]

How did I miss such a point

[robust basin]

Wth

[polar abyss]

And so he stayed there and either starved, or drowned in the lake

[raven perch]

pfft how did you miss that point it's like. Narc's whole deal

[polar abyss]

Depending on myth / version of the story

[smoky rover]

punishment for narcissism

[raven perch]

In Hades canon it was punishment specifically for breaking Echo's heart

Basically Narc was an ass to people who were attracted to him and so with a lot of his suitors, he rejected them rather rudely. Echo was broken-hearted by this and Nem felt sad for her, so she cursed Narcissus to fall in love with his reflection, which ultimately killed him

[polar abyss]

Sadberry is clearly a speedrunner and skips all dialogue /s

[robust basin]

I never read his myth and I think I always heard "a beautiful dude who fell in love with his reflection and drowned." And that's it.

I thought for a moment that the punishment here were the murky waters.
Also it doesn't exactly feel on brand for nem to dish such punishment...
Unless in the myth he behaved nastily to everyone else, but if he just said no to a couple of fawning ladies this is hardly reteibu, it's just vengeance...
Am I missing something?

[polar abyss]

No, but I’ve missed whole things too

[robust basin]

Hmmm

[polar abyss]

I think it was a pattern. It was not just a one time incident

[robust basin]

I DID NOT!!!😭 I literally screenshotted so much dialogue 😭

[polar abyss]

And I feel like this element was translated into Hades 2 also, because you can see all the suitors watching him and get sad whenever gifts are given to Mel

Echo was just the turning point where Nemesis stepped in

[robust basin]

If that is the Hades canon the why does Nem scare Echo away when she appears in her room? Like... Is the angry big sister that doesn't want hugs?

[robust basin]

Yes I noticed!

[sleek oar]

She also cursed echo

[robust basin]

Something is off

[polar abyss]

They didn’t have Hera curse Echo?

[raven perch]

Yeah that’s my point

[raven perch]

It’s cuz Nem doesn’t actually care about Echo she just felt bad for her

When pressed about Echo’s curse Nem doesn’t care

[polar abyss]

From what I’ve heard in Greek myth, Echo was cursed by Hera because she helped to hide Zeus’s adultery

[raven perch]

We don’t know who cursed Echo

[oak ivy]

I wish Nem would correct unfairness by actually helping out the person that was wronged instead of punishing the other person... 😔

[sleek oar]

I thought it was nem in game wasnt it

[raven perch]

Nope

Nem only cursed Narcissus

It’s probably Hera who cursed Echo

[polar abyss]

I know it’s not the end all for confirmation, but the wiki says Hera did it

“Echo is an Oread nymph who was cursed to repeat the last words spoken to her by Hera after Echo had covered for Zeus.”

[sleek oar]

How did i get that nem cursed her too wth 💀

[raven perch]

Don’t trust the wiki for lore

[polar abyss]

Yeah, I know.

[robust basin]

That's... A strange sentence... Is it selfishness?🤔

[robust basin]

Lol

[uncut galleon]

after the echo / narcissus thing mel tells nemesis that her curse didn't help echo at all, they had to figure out stuff on their own

and nem's like "idc as long as they're even"

that is retribution rather than vengeance and it does show one of her principles

[polar abyss]

I’m just saying that the wiki claims it, and since Greek myth has that be the story, I assume that wasn’t changed

[raven perch]

But yeah dyno got me. Nem essentially punished Narc for rejecting people who were basically harassing him in a rude way

[raven perch]

I agree with this, this is one of her principles demonstrated

[robust basin]

If the only tool you know how to use is a hammer then all screws will look like nails to you

[raven perch]

But like I said I don’t think she really stands by them very well considering the whole “she’s gonna beat her head against chronos rather than do anything more productive”

Nem wants things to be even? Why doesn’t she actually go do something that will make any sort of impact, rather than continuously try and fail to get to Tartarus. It’s never going to work

[robust basin]

It's nice to know that in ancient Greece sexism swung both ways

[raven perch]

Pfft it did not it really didn’t lol

[sleek oar]

I think nem is one of the strangest written characters in game bc of this

[polar abyss]

No, not really.

[uncut galleon]

yeah i was hoping for some kind of character development and her interrogating what retribution and getting even means

[raven perch]

Yeah exactly you get me

You understand my whole thing with her

I find this contradictory, confused part of her very interesting actually! I like Nemesis because she’s a bit stupid and childish, it gives her a lot of potential to interrogate herself

[robust basin]

That is a nice point "making them even" but it is a very bad example if we just say that narc is the bad guy.
With that reasoning Helen if Troy should just be happy to be kidnapped as married away.

[polar abyss]

I think the reasoning for that is explained in that one awful dialogue moment (and also others, but specifically the one relating to the womb). She feels as though she should get the role. But she hasn’t, and she learns that Mel was the right person after all.

[robust basin]

And if she is not she must be punished

[raven perch]

The womb line ? I love the womb line

Because it’s true! To Nemesis

Nem does have more stake in fighting Chronos than Mel this is explicitly canon

Mel struggles to care

[sleek oar]

Characters that contradict themselves are very interesting but i have to see how they follow up w her in 1.0 to fully make up my mind 😞

[robust basin]

In this scenario it felt like that, maybe I misunderstood

[sleek oar]

Cause it could go either pretty well or pretty bad imo 😭

[polar abyss]

The other thing of note that I do want to say, though how little it may matter; inconsistencies hopefully will be addressed in 1.0. Like how some people say it’s weird for Mel to be so rude to the idea of Mortals when speaking to Prometheus, despite her having / can have a mortal lover, and makes friends to several.

[raven perch]

Yeee you get me. I hope they do something interesting with her on this front, because the extent of her romance arc is not enough

[candid nimbus]

I was waiting until 1.0 to download Hades 2 but my impatience won and I got it yesterday.

Something I have to say is that somehow Chaos is even more gender now. Even their sleeves go 👁️👄👁️

[sleek oar]

Yepp agreed

[raven perch]

The first thing to note is that this is only applicable to Hades canon, not the myths themselves

[raven perch]

It’s not so inconsistent if you remember that Mel’s beef is with living mortals, not dead ones

[robust basin]

I started to confuse when one ended and the other started and I cannot check online for the myth ATM while following the convo

[raven perch]

Don’t worry it’s a-okay

[uncut galleon]

well to be fair in the myths narcissus wasn't very nice (ok dyno) to both his female and male suitors

[polar abyss]

“Like how some people say…”

But my bad for the error

[raven perch]

No worries there either

I’ve thought about the lore of this game every day since EA dropped so I have a lot of trivia nuggets in my brainspace

This does not mean I remember every detail though sadly

[polar abyss]

I like to think the other reason is that she’s trying to make arguments to fight back against Prometheus’s rhetoric, even if she may not truly believe what she’s saying

[raven perch]

That’s my stance as well

[polar abyss]

It’s as if Hades’s way of speaking manifested in her (someone said in a comment section)

[robust basin]

https://tenor.com/view/you-ded-you-dieded-died-dieded-hornet-died-gif-8163515769741623680

[oak ivy]

hiii

[sleek oar]

Hiii

[oak ivy]

I'm not dieded

[sleek oar]

Skilled

How many lenses and sands are you guys thinking the ending might take

[orchid acorn]

5 of each prob

[oak ivy]

5/5 most likely..

but I kinda hope it's 10/10 !!!

[robust basin]

I am dieded. The white roses got me

[oak ivy]

what white roses? in Shellwood?

[raven perch]

20 runs I’ll die

[oak ivy]

it'd still be only like 1/20th of how long Silksong took to finish!!

[orchid acorn]

just put on 0 fear meow it'll take like 3 hours

[oak ivy]

exactly !!!

[raven perch]

3 hours too much I have skong to play

[orchid acorn]

it comes out in 11 days meow....

there is no more skong by that point

[raven perch]

i knough…

[granite mauve]

if meli meets her family in the underworld ending 5 runs seems like too few

[orchid acorn]

people are putting way too much emphesis on the post run stuff tbh, like we are NOT interacting with all these people bro 🥀

[raven perch]

But we must

[orchid acorn]

let alone freeing the whole house of hades and stuff like some people think

[oak ivy]

yep I already finished silksong, I just need like a week to recover from ABSOLUTE CINEMA overdose and I'll be ready for hades

[raven perch]

What’s the point otherwise

[orchid acorn]

suffer

[granite mauve]

zag needed 10 runs with just persephone 💔

[raven perch]

Die

[sleek oar]

That one orion book i ordered is hella late bro i just noticed

[orchid acorn]

yeah cause she was the primary goal and we kept dying after like 3 sentences so it was forced to do that

in this our goal is just beating his ass for the love of the game until we find a way to permakill him

[oak ivy]

I read it as "onion book"... 💔

[granite mauve]

zag should have taken more centaur hearts so he could stay longer

[sleek oar]

Becoming a chef

[broken glen]

I love killing my grandpa for fun

[orchid acorn]

i ran out of granpas already

[oak ivy]

Your book got fear of forfeit'ed

[orchid acorn]

can i borrow yours lilac

[uncut galleon]

should have just dodged the damage

[oak ivy]

sure!

[orchid acorn]

lilac hates her grandpa confirmed

ssing this and sending it to your family

[oak ivy]

😔 💔

one of them died from lung cancer because he was a heavy smoker

[sleek oar]

Yall give evil cousin vibes sometimes im ngl

Idk if that makes sense

[oak ivy]

yeah it does!

[broken glen]

Cousins are inherently evil

I only have like 1 that I like

[orchid acorn]

i am absolutely the cousin your parents don't like

[raven perch]

I have nice cousins

[sleek oar]

Me too 😞

I meant to reply to only liking one oops

[granite mauve]

I am the evil cousin

[dusky mountain]

Happy launch d... Wait

Hey Guys is today the 25th?

[oak ivy]

I have 0 cousins

and 0 siblings too actually

[robust basin]

First thing you see taking the lift up with I thought was the end of act 2 but apparently is not

[oak ivy]

ohhhh

I liked that fight!

[robust basin]

Yep, I paused but will be going back soon!

I have 2 cousins? Who live 5 timezones away from me

[vernal carbon]

I'm 140 hours in, have finished both routes (FINALLY beat the surface boss today with an insane build), and still only have two familiars...

what do I need to do to unlock them?

[oak ivy]

do you have Raki?

you need an incantation that unlocks a fountain room in Erebus, that's where you find the bird Raki

[vernal carbon]

no. Just frinos and toula. how do I get the incantation? I have everything unlocked at this point

[oak ivy]

after that you'll be able to find Hecuba the dog in the Mourning fields and Gale on Olympus

[vernal carbon]

I see them but they just disappear when I talk to them

[robust basin]

Hecuba the Trojan queen has been now declassed to "Hecuba the dog"

[oak ivy]

do you have treats?

[daring sun]

the gift option on rewards found in rooms, who does it gift to?

[oak ivy]

I'm sorry 😭

[vernal carbon]

yes. I've been running around with treats for the past 60 hours!!

[oak ivy]

to the gods!

[daring sun]

damn

I shouldve done it

[oak ivy]

in that case I don't know..... 😔

[vernal carbon]

yeah, idk either. it's a shame they closed the feedback channel. there are still a lot of bugs and issues, I reckon

[oak ivy]

you can still use in-game to report any bugs

[robust basin]

The feedback channel was never for bugs or issues but about the game and how you felt about it.

If your game is somehow broken there is the tech support channel

[hollow lily]

Pizza deliveries are done wassup

[hollow lily]

Are we in Alabama during this hypothetical situation?

[short raft]

Have people already stated in there how bad Excellence is?

[sleek oar]

Yes

[oak ivy]

many times yes

[short raft]

Good to know. Ihope they at least buff it or whatever, like my actual copium request is that

[oak ivy]

it's very unlikely at this point 😔

[acoustic ruin]

watch them comepletly rework it for 1.0 💀 /jk

[short raft]

They buff it, and now it cost 2 instead.

[robust basin]

I love the smell of killing gods in the evening.

[buoyant matrix]

i should write a quick note on pets and where to find

since a ton of people will be asking it after 1.0, i can just copy paste it then

[haughty hill]

excellence use plummets...

the 2-cost and 3-cost cards are the most competitive slots

[buoyant matrix]

how much max magick does hecuba add at max level?

[oak ivy]

like 50 or 60 I think

[haughty hill]

100, iirc?

[oak ivy]

oh........?

[acoustic ruin]

💀

[buoyant matrix]

no way it's 100

[haughty hill]

god I don't use hecuba enough

[oak ivy]

No way????

[buoyant matrix]

was in the double digits

[short raft]

let me check

[buoyant matrix]

either 60 or 90

[oak ivy]

I love spreading misinformation

[haughty hill]

wiki says 60

[haughty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[buoyant matrix]

and toula's dd was buffed to 80 right?

[hollow lily]

Dissolution of time needs 10 zsands

And smtn smtn amount of entropy

[short raft]

mine says 60

[hollow lily]

I hope it gets buffed to 80

[short raft]

90 - 150 = 60, yeah?

[hollow lily]

Then id actually have a good reason to choose toula instead of froggo

[polar abyss]

You probably have not upgraded the familiars then

[torpid grove]

1000

[buoyant matrix]

wait guys where was hecuba found i forgor 💀

[polar abyss]

I believe the Tier 3 DD for Toula used to be 60, but then they shifted all values by 20

[oak ivy]

Mourning fields!

near Echo I think

[buoyant matrix]

i remember it being 40 and they doubled all amounts

[silk field]

My cat is 80

[polar abyss]

Oh. Tbh I don’t remember

[short raft]

You need to find the other familias first, then find her in the fields, in Echos area?

[silk field]

We still don't know how we're going to get entropy yet, do we?

[granite mauve]

entropy might just represent time needing to pass before we can do those incantations