h2-discussion

[elfin forge]

dont care gib update

[devout abyss]

what color were you before

[orchid acorn]

grey only feedback

[devout abyss]

white?

i love white people

pink people not so much

[elfin forge]

so the update s supposedly today?

[devout abyss]

says who

[orchid acorn]

update absolutely isn't today

guarantee it

[limpid oar]

No it's today it was revealed to me in a dream

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud-yelling-cloud-angry-gif-14570826725199055243

[devout abyss]

why arent you playing silksong btw

[limpid oar]

I'll try it eventually when I can afford it

[little mason]

He doesn't have a computer that can run silksong

😭

[limpid oar]

It's not about the computer it's about actually buying the game

[orchid acorn]

because i haven't beaten reg hk yet and im not really hooked either

[devout abyss]

okie

[orchid acorn]

borderlands 4 tomorrow

[vital hollow]

Seriously, I've just had Grave Thirst apply to Revall for 4 out of my last 5 runs, what is this

[orchid acorn]

have you given up your runs

[vital hollow]

No

[orchid acorn]

then your just giga unlucky then

[devout abyss]

you should

[little mason]

I heard u need really good computer to run that badly optimized game

Borderlands 4

[orchid acorn]

my comp is good

[limpid oar]

Does borderlands 4 have ray tracing?

[orchid acorn]

its cell shaded stuff so rpob not, but i also don't use it cause it nukes performance for stuff i wpn't use

[limpid oar]

It will be funny if bl4 runs better than bl2 on the 50 series because of physx

[slim pike]

Not unusual for newer games to run better than older ones due to the devs being better at what they're doing

[vital hollow]

Did Styxbot break? the last 3 messages in #h2-feedback didn't get a 👍

[limpid oar]

Specifically with the older BL games, they heavily utilised physx and the 50 series graphics cards just don't support that

[merry whale]

ye styxbot down

[limpid oar]

It's in maintenance for the release trust

[sleek oar]

First dyno now styx

We used to be a proper country

[elfin forge]

i keep meeting gale but i cant employ him to do my biddings why?

[sleek oar]

You gotta feed the animal treats

[verbal rampart]

No treats, no friend

[undone saffron]

does anyone know what "Nemesis may be interested in ambrosia after more battles together" actually means like just encounters with her or a specific type? and the chance of her appearing because i feel like ive been getting really unlucky

[hearty idol]

more run on the surface by fighting Nemesis again

[undone saffron]

wait you mean she can appear on the surface now

[hearty idol]

wait im dumb

lmao

[undone saffron]

i wont open that but thank you lmaoo

[hearty idol]

you meant Nem i was thinking about someone else so its okay

yea just keep on playing on the underworld and met more with Nem

[undone saffron]

ohhh okay thank you

[elfin forge]

i have treats i dont get the option to feed

[orchid acorn]

you can't recruit gale and hecuba until hecate allows you

hecate allows you after you recruit the first 3 pets and upgrade + use them a bit

[elfin forge]

i had 3 for a while, but i used the bird once only

[orchid acorn]

afaik you needed to use them in a run to get their resource at least once

and feed them a total of 4 upgrades?

overall 4, not 4 to each

[rocky lava]

today is the day

we believe

[orchid acorn]

i believe its not today

[merry whale]

if it drops today everyone who reacts to this message will get a sketch request

assuming i'm not dying of sickness

[buoyant matrix]

i will not react to that because i know it won't drop today

[polar abyss]

I already have my sketch request in mind; Mel being in that one scene in Open Season, with Persephone Skull being a Car.

I don’t actually think it will be releasing today. I just want it to be made.

[buoyant matrix]

i really need a promewtheus to be made, I'll be watching gimp tutorials while on vacation, I'll probably make it myself when i come back

[verbal rampart]

Promewtheus?

[buoyant matrix]

prometheus but he's mewing

[verbal rampart]

Oooooh

[visual hawk]

well, no, nintendo direct's on friday, so i'd reschedule your hope for then /lh

[molten obsidian]

Today 50% chance friday 100% ☝️

[kindred shard]

I was gonna animate this a while back when the song was making rounds

[urban topaz]

They announced the Nintendo Direct?

[visual hawk]

yeah, there'll be an hour long general nintendo direct on friday

they announced it about an hour ago i think?

[dusky mountain]

Happy Launch day Guys!
https://youtu.be/WzJ_UhPptBQ?si=U_lWuDoB3DAYPGRe

[urban topaz]

Well, since the Silksong fans dropped the clown makeup I think it's our time to take it

[oak ivy]

OMG HADES 2 is out!!!!!!!!!

[hearty idol]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-look-fake-gif-4538774

[weary axle]

Do people generally meet eris more than once in the underworld?

ive seen people talking about her giving a debuff sometimes but in 2 save files it has only happened once

[raven perch]

She shows up for the first ~10 nights if you get to the later biomes

[weary axle]

ah alright. I though it was supposed to be a more regular thing thanks 🙂

[oak ivy]

also if you have more than 50% hp or something like that actually!

(so if you take damage on purpose on the last boss of each biome you can avoid her)

[limpid oar]

She's pretty much just a check for people not to progress too far too early into the lifespan of their save

[wide socket]

i suppose there will be a storyline about what really happen to her hand?

[weary axle]

thought maybe i bugged it since at the start of a playtrough I always forget the corner where she stands exists lol

[bright fern]

this scared the life out of me 😭

[hallow vault]

Imma Cope now

Thsi week is a Direct

They announced a Update and a whole ass Video on the Switch 2 Direct and also Nintendos Channel

Its set to go into 1.0 on switch/switch,2 With PC

Hades launched in September 2020

So my cope IS simple

They will announnce the 1.0 in the Direct

[potent relic]

Yep I’m now taking high dosages of copium for this direct

Hades 1 launched into 1.0 during a September direct

Surely same with hades 2 right? 😭😭😭

[hallow vault]

I mean atleast they gave Updates Before

[molten obsidian]

Today ☝️

[hallow vault]

Unlike one certain Australian Dev

[hallow vault]

Im Pretty sure that game will be popular af again

It Had Double the Peak then Hades

2 aclaimed indie sequels in one Month would be Crazy

[rough horizon]

It launched during a direct? Like, shadow drop announcement right then and there?

[potent relic]

1.0 did yea

11:13 in this direct https://youtu.be/l57Qu-BEWDI?si=9E00b0F1qBqO9hU_

[fathom lake]

How does the Umbral Falmes work with Exceptional Talent?

[wide socket]

man i revisit h1 the other day... the controls i cant get used to somehow after playing h2

[potent relic]

Realistically it’s either this direct or some sort of direct or gaming event in October. Unless they just post on twitter “hey it’s out”

I imagine they want to announce it during some sort of public event

[west fossil]

Pretty sure specials just aren't affected, but attacks fire twice as expected.

[fathom lake]

OH come on,,,

[west fossil]

The tooltip changes, but not until you actually get it.

[fathom lake]

With Mel Aspect btw

[west fossil]

Also, I don't know if you get 2 daybreakers or not, nor how it works with Supay.

[fathom lake]

I wanted juicy crits :( with double special

[west fossil]

Now, I assume that it doubles fine line, etc. but I don't actually know for sure.

[fathom lake]

Guess aphrodite it is
Queens Ramson would be fun maybe for more amage but idk

[raven perch]

I don’t think you get two daybreakers

[fathom lake]

You do

[oak ivy]

I'm pretty sure you do??

[raven perch]

Never mind!

[oak ivy]

but it works in a weird way..

[raven perch]

Never trust me with anything

[oak ivy]

lmaooo 😭

[raven perch]

I don’t know jack diddly squat

I just vaguely remember torches work weird with exceptional talent 😔

[oak ivy]

they do..

[west fossil]

What, only one of them copies specials?

[oak ivy]

yeah I think so

it's also been bugged for many patches in the past

[west fossil]

But if you have Night, it applies to all the specials for that daybreaker, right?

[oak ivy]

no idea haha

[west fossil]

Like, it wouldn't surprise me either way, considering how unintuitive all the interactions are.

[polar abyss]

If I remember correctly, Night on Eos can apply to both sets of OSpecials, and the Daybreaker

[lost wing]

@slim pike #h2-feedback message Oh damn, does the Coat OATK with Exceptional Talent really not copy your channel length for its multiplier? It just fires off a base-power version instead? 💀

[slim pike]

yeaaaah...

certainly on shiva

[lost wing]

that's so bad 💀

[slim pike]

literally less damage than a basic punch

[lost wing]

yeah

was just about to say that lol

literally has less base power

[slim pike]

so you go from MEGA KAPOW and then a little love tap

[lost wing]

once they fix the thumbs up bot that feedback definitely has my upvote

[slim pike]

also literally says in the scripts "hidden nerf" when it comes to ET salvos only copying 2 missiles at most

just thumbsup it anyway

[lost wing]

can't. that's not how the feedback channel works

[slim pike]

oh wait, can't duh

[west fossil]

Wait, really? That's so bad.

[slim pike]

I stand by what I say about ET being the most complex boon by far

it has lines and checks in all kinds of places to try and make it work for every relevant move

[neon isle]

at least it breaks wards 💀

[slim pike]

Because the best way to break wards is a long channeled single attack

[neon isle]

that costs 70 magic to set up too, yeag

[raven perch]

The economy is in shambles

[slim pike]

but hey, you're using shiva, not like you have some kind of double punch combo

[oak ivy]

not as bad as in Pharloom at least

[slim pike]

but yeah, ET is laughable compared to so many hammers it isn't funny

[lyric matrix]

That's such a nothing announcement in hindsight 🤣
"Hey this is out later today anyways..."

[oak ivy]

lmaooo you're right

[slim pike]

Mirrored thrasher on momus: Double pulses, halves gap between pulses, +5 cost. ET: adds one extra pulse at the end, no change to gaps, +20 cost

[west fossil]

So true!

[potent relic]

Right lol?

[wintry dagger]

me with Mel Xinth only ever mashing attack and dash as rapidly as I can: "ugh a soul tonic"

[lyric matrix]

I get it, considering the studio's size and all that but it's very funny in retrospect.

[buoyant matrix]

also was offered epic static discharge from zeus and took goddamn thunder flourish instead 🥀💔

[slim pike]

thankfully: Whirlwind doesn't have double duration, but instead half the time between hits for the same duration with ET

[oak ivy]

fake fan smh

[slim pike]

so ET with the axe aspects works absolutely correctly

but damn that +20 cost is so harsh on like, the torch

[west fossil]

Isn't that for all of them except Nergal?

[slim pike]

should be fine for that too, or is it?

[wintry dagger]

Me when I got only a common Static Shock:
Me when I get Air Quality so it no longer matters my rarity for Static Shock:

[slim pike]

sadly mel's animation isn't sped up, premium comedy just left on the table

[west fossil]

I know the regular aspects got changed, but was under the impression that Nergal specifically was left untouched.

[slim pike]

hrmm, uno momento

[slim pike]

it still uses the whirlwind attack wth some modifiers, so it should get doubled as well

[west fossil]

Okay, but consider: ET has lots and lots of fun exceptions!

[slim pike]

no it should work

[rustic mulch]

What are the different theories on the release date of Hadès 2?

[scarlet cosmos]

in 3 minutes

[frank igloo]

Haelian proposes by November at the very latest

[oak ivy]

at this point we should have like a pinned message explaining it with how many new people constantly ask this 😭

[frank igloo]

Nah the people who ask aren't the ones checking pins

What one server I'm on does instead, is a message that you can summon using a bot

[oak ivy]

yeah but then intsead of explaining it over and over again we can just tell them to look at a pinned message, it's still somewhat simpler

[frank igloo]

That way people don't need to type a special message

[brave urchin]

NINTENDO DIRECT in 2 days.

Which meeeeans possible Hades 2 release date!

[buoyant matrix]

it's not possible it is IMMINENT

[lyric matrix]

Confirmed SGG is against Pizza with pepperoni

This friday your feelings will be slightly possibly bruised in some way....maybe.

[uncut knot]

So, besties, 1.0 release date in direct…?

[lyric matrix]

Fingers are crossed and some signs are pointing towards it

[buoyant matrix]

four updates on steamdb an hour ago, they're bug fixing the 1.0 stuff

[wintry dagger]

The 1.0 stuff getting fixed: Medea Skull getting nerfed into oblivion

[lyric matrix]

Quiet you

[spice lintel]

Was there a price increase for Hades 1 When it came out?

As I might jump in now!

[molten obsidian]

only greg with us in the release day

[sleek oar]

Medea cast buff is now an intended feature for every cast

[buoyant matrix]

yes i think

[spice lintel]

Thank you!

[buoyant matrix]

you won't regret buying the game anyway so jump on it

[wintry dagger]

Cast default always Storm Ring, also every aspect is affected by Storm Ring, getting Storm Ring from Zeus now just doubles Storm Ring

[sleek oar]

Storm ring impact

[fathom lake]

I remember that they said that it MIGHT change [increase]

So i really would buy it rn

[sleek oar]

I think that got removed from the FAQ cause i was looking for it a few days ago

[fathom lake]

I still wouldnt risk it

[sleek oar]

Unless im blind

[lyric matrix]

If it goes up it'd be like $5 I would think, but if you're going to get it anyways on Steam/PC it's not going to be cheaper at launch than it is now

[spice lintel]

I get the feeling that the release seems imminent

[wintry dagger]

Maybe Hades 1 gets a Switch 2 update just to up the resolution in portable mode eventually too

[lyric matrix]

I mean..it's been imminent since the Unseen update.

[wintry dagger]

I could see a $5 price increase + 1080p Switch 2 portable mode update for Hades, wouldn't be out of the question

[lyric matrix]

But now it's Imminent 2: Turbo

[sleek oar]

It will imminently get announced on the direct

[wintry dagger]

Hades 2 is about a witch so I've been predicting an October date to keep with Halloween. Maybe October 31 itself.

[lyric matrix]

If it's not, my inside sources* have told me that it's @buoyant matrix 's fault.

• ||I made it up||

[hybrid gulch]

H1 release was announced in a Nintendo direct and we know 1.0 should be ready soon, if not already, so it's very believable that we'll learn the release date during the direct BUT it's not like SGG is contractually bound to announce H2 the same way they did H1 so who knows

[lyric matrix]

They did announce on a direct a few months ago that Hades 2 was coming to Nintendo Switch and to expect more info on Hades 2 later this year so it's not too far out of the question that a Direct is where to expect they'll show more info.

[hybrid gulch]

Yeah I definitely think it's one of the better assumptions floating around here, haha

[lyric matrix]

I'm clinging to it like grim death

If not, see above 😠

[crude dragon]

<@&456908176877551658> Styxbot seems to be down, can one of y'all please add the 👍 reacts to the feedback channel?

[slim pike]

Botfixed

[oak ivy]

AD you have a chance to be funny and also add a 👎

[frank mulch]

im always funny

[meager garden]

I agree

[oak ivy]

downvoting me isn't funny.....

[sleek oar]

I trust pizza w my life

And by life i mean h2 stuff

So sep17 is imminent

[buoyant matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-pow-enter-the-fist-implore-reconsider-gif-14554818

[sleek oar]

U dont want me to trust u with h2 stuff?

[buoyant matrix]

no, just with your life

my hades 2 insider sources are rock solid 🪨

[sleek oar]

So true u got that insider info

[oak ivy]

this isn't funny either !!!!!

[sleek oar]

What emoji would u prefer then

[oak ivy]

🧀

[sleek oar]

Are u a rat

[oak ivy]

uhhhh

no

but cheese is tasty

[marsh spear]

Date reveal this Friday trust

[molten obsidian]

All in friday

[little frost]

realizing all I need in life is homemade bread and cheese was the day I truly understood

that 1.0 will be next year

trust

[urban topaz]

If year means month I agree

[humble urchin]

month? it’s next day

it’s always tomorrow

[sleek oar]

One day it will actually be tomorrow

And this bit will have all been worth it

[limpid oar]

are "it's tomorrow" and "it's today" like two different clans?

[fathom lake]

Its today!

Everyday

[limpid oar]

but only one dev on...

[fathom lake]

Iwill get it right eventually

[hearty idol]

Greg is all we need

[rocky lava]

Today is not the day

We believe in tomorrow

[molten obsidian]

Rip wednesday gang.

[echo obsidian]

We might get news on 12th Sept with the Nintendo Direct

[lyric matrix]

it's a 60 minute direct surely...

[buoyant matrix]

might? you mean will?

[fathom lake]

Its Today!

Everyday!

Until it is!

[echo obsidian]

The will of might you mean ? 😛

[buoyant matrix]

no the will of greg supergiant

he's the strongest cthonic god

[echo obsidian]

Not strong enough to change our "might" to "will" when it comes to 1.0 release dates :p

[brittle gorge]

I’m betting the game will release on the week of Halloween

[vast coyote]

Alright peeps, time for Rivals 3, sigh.... gonna get beat up by Hecate again

[orchid acorn]

common lilac L 😔

it doesn't make 2 daybreakers it just makes the daybreaker fire twice

that was a bug introduced with the unseen patch start fixed with the last balance patch

[oak ivy]

@raven perch congrats you were right!! turns out we CAN and SHOULD trust you

[raven perch]

I WAS RIGHT

[oak ivy]

🙏

[raven perch]

Momentous occasion I’m never right

[orchid acorn]

rare meow W

[oak ivy]

I WILL NOT tolerate meow slander

[orchid acorn]

slandering meow is like my 3rd favorite pasttime

[oak ivy]

feel free to bully me but do not bully meow!!!

[raven perch]

No no I understand

It’s easy and it’s free 😔

[orchid acorn]

yeah thats why i do it to lilac first

[oak ivy]

[raven perch]

With lilac you carry the weight of torturing a poor innocent soul

[orchid acorn]

🍅

[buoyant matrix]

lilac is neither poor nor innocent

@oak ivy i know what you've done

[oak ivy]

😭

[buoyant matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[orchid acorn]

real and true

[oak ivy]

I dont know what you're talking about!!

👀

[buoyant matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-sus-face-james-doakes-suspicious-james-doakes-reaction-erik-king-gif-14404252364057104628

[oak ivy]

dont give me the Dexter stare!!!

[orchid acorn]

its doakes

[oak ivy]

they're all Dexters in my mind

[orchid acorn]

see her mind is compromised

[buoyant matrix]

what about supergiantdexter

[urban topaz]

Maybe the update yesterday on Steamdb and the Nintendo Direct friday can mean something

[orchid acorn]

admit her to the facility

[oak ivy]

he's also from Dexter the show

[orchid acorn]

an announcement for next wednesday is possible

[oak ivy]

can I at least have silksong in that facility 🥺

[orchid acorn]

but it sure af isn't launching on friday

[orchid acorn]

no electronic devices, they mess with your brainwaves or something

[urban topaz]

Supergreg Giants

[oak ivy]

😔

[orchid acorn]

you can stare at the wall and maybe if your lucky you'll get a bug friend crawling on it

[buoyant matrix]

bro read the update, it has BuildLabel=beta in it, it's definitely the 1.0 being tested for bugs

[oak ivy]

omg bug friend... like in hollow knight!!

[urban topaz]

Hopefully U are right Knight

[buoyant matrix]

it even updated the executable

how could i NOT be right

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/straitjacket-straight-jacket-mental-crazy-insane-gif-16255378

[vast coyote]

What are some good hammers for Aspect of Moros?

[buoyant matrix]

hidden helix is always the most ridiculously busted torch hammer

[frank mulch]

me when i see the worms

[urban topaz]

That reminded me a animated short film about a mental illness that had a worm shape

[frank mulch]

interesting

when i was like wayyy younger all i did on the internet was watch such animated short films

[sleek oar]

This reminded me of the drawing mental illness lactose intolerance meme

[little frost]

early bird behavior

[smoky rover]

hades 2 will release in 11 minutes

[vast coyote]

Bet, thanks

UR Cerb is fun, now to actually him lol

[little mason]

Hades 2 is released soon

[turbid mist]

how do u know

[smoky rover]

I work for team cherry or whatever

[crude dragon]

+1 Special

[vast coyote]

Lightworked Cerb, kinda crazy, Xinth is pretty cracked

Melted him

[abstract pecan]

*Me, Fighting Unrivaled Eris: "What the heck?! This is actually easier than her base fight."
*Me, Fighting Unrivaled Promethius: "Uh oh. I don't know what to do here! Help?!"

[crude dragon]

You remember Asterius and the other guy?

This is Asterius and the other guy, the sequel

Except one of them doesn't have a shield

[abstract pecan]

Ya, but I had Athena's Divine Dash in that case.
They completely flipped the script with how Dashes & Athena work in this game!

[crude dragon]

Just get Divine Dash again :3

[abstract pecan]

What part of the completely flipped script did I fail to convey?!

[hearty fog]

Focus down Prometheus. His bro will usually be off doing his own thing and getting him down to half health while Prom throws attacks at you from off screen is begging for a whooping.

[abstract pecan]

Thank you, that's actually helpful advice.
My panic had me thinking I needed to focus on the +1 first.

[hearty fog]

It's not a bad idea, because dealing with Simon Says while Discount Asterius is doing his thing is really scary.

[raven perch]

Is not that bad

[abstract pecan]

Discount?!
Nonono.
He's the upgrade.

[raven perch]

He’s not

Heracles’ moveset is much more rudimentary

To avoid Heracles dash up and down in the safe zones

[hearty fog]

But yeah, Heracles is pretty passive if you aren't up in his face. Prometheus will chase you much more and has more long-ranged attacks so you're inviting a gank squad if you try to attack him first.

[raven perch]

(Up using the exit as a reference)

[abstract pecan]

Dually noted.
Next time I finally get up that far, focus down the brain & his insta-death attacks first, and leave the muscle for later.

[short raft]

Is metally dropplet bad? this thing runs out before i get to the boss

[hearty fog]

Max level?

[short raft]

ye

[polar abyss]

Droplet is to be used in speedruns, and for 3 specific regions; Fields, Tartarus, and Summit. Fields is used just to find the items faster, but Tartarus and Summit are short enough where they could be used into the boss.

[little frost]

also used to be semi good for moros speeds with putting it on in erebus and praying for more rng on boons

just cause moros really wants channel speed

[vast coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-sonic-gif-16129366101997188934

Can't wait

I really hope in the 1.0 Chronos sends you back to other places than Asphodel, would make it less samey every time you get caught

[mystic storm]

I died... I died with the golden circle at 98%...

[fathom lake]

😔

I hate Unrivaled ScylLA SO MUCH

[ebon oak]

I'm getting close to 50 Fear Surface Run. Died during Rivals Typhon Phase 2 again. +8 Heroic Scorch Strike on Mel Coat with Triple Dash Attack Hammer maaaaay have been a bit over kill for the Freezer Burn build.

[ebon oak]

Chronos takes you to Charon's battle arena.

[vast coyote]

Real.

[glossy shadow]

Is dad boon "life tax" to Regen 100 HP, like, ever good to grab?

[raven perch]

If you’re hurting for health it’s nice

[glossy shadow]

My hungry hammer...

[shadow grotto]

I CAN'T WAIT

1.0 RELEASE I WANNA KNOW WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO MEL 😭🙏

[wise ledge]

Well, there are chances of the release date announcement or even a shadow drop tomorrow on nintendo direct

[shadow grotto]

It feels like watching an anime and being left on a cliffhanger so you turn towards the manga but there is no manga

[sour flower]

can someone pls tell me how i unlock boon book?

[buoyant matrix]

give a nectar to every olympian

[sour flower]

oh wow ty

[buoyant matrix]

every olympian

[sour flower]

LOL im so dumb, i dont care for poseidon so i guess i forgot to give him a nectar

okay tysm

[buoyant matrix]

so arty and athena and dionysus count too

[sour flower]

yea poseidon is the only keepsake i dont have besides hades lol

[empty abyss]

ngl Im feeling generous today. Full release dropping tomorrow 👍

[broken glen]

Thank you Momo

[empty abyss]

[orchid acorn]

in a vacuum its not bad. with strength its more than that and if you are confident in beating bosses without losing dds, but not hitless its a good option as sometimes an extra 100hp going into the fight is all you need.

main issue is that comparatively to some of the REALLY good options no you should probably never grab it.

if you are in such dire straights that you need to worry about GETTING to the chronos fight alive is a valid reason to take life tax, but its not exactly giving you high hopes to win he fight either

[glossy shadow]

I was super myopic and polishing my double power Regen gilgamesh hammer, I can imagine outside my arcana set, I vibe w it conceptually now

[glossy shadow]

Yeah I think that's where I was caught in my thinking

[orchid acorn]

Like i'd take Life Tax as the option over some combination of Last Gasp/ Howling Soul / Cinerary Circle as my other 2 options, and even then i could take Cinerarycircle for some weapons and builds

[oak ivy]

your soul will be howling after I tax your life 🔥

[orchid acorn]

lilac drains souls confirmed

[oak ivy]

but like in a cool witchy way 😈

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-witch-magic-supernatural-powerful-gif-16697963035478719384

live lilac cam

[oak ivy]

honeslty, I'll take it!

this possum is not bad

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/possum-opossum-gang-nocturnal-possums-gif-27341313

[oak ivy]

which american starter pokemon do you choose?
a possum, a raccoon or a skunk?

[orchid acorn]

normal ground normal fighting or normal poison hm

[raven perch]

RACCOOON i love raccoons

[orchid acorn]

i think i gotta go skunk

[oak ivy]

I think I'm with meow on this one, raccoons are the cutest

[oak ivy]

a skunk is a great option though.. very deadly

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/animal-bite-beavis-and-butt-head-skunk-animal-attack-finger-bite-gif-8846203787157998136

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-stealing-gif-19084597

raccoons can perform a special sneaky theft attack though!

[orchid acorn]

stats are garbage and bad moveset

not even STAB on feint attack or payday

[white jewel]

How unusual is it that I still haven't gotten Charybdis in any of my 50+ surface runs? I've unlocked every hidden aspect and maxed all available relationships and I still haven't been able to unlock Vow of Rivals 2 lol

[marsh spear]

Who?

[orchid acorn]

racoon

[orchid acorn]

honestly i have zero idea cause charybdis was the only miniboss back when i did a fresh file

[marsh spear]

Is there a coon mon? Can't recall

[orchid acorn]

Im pretty sure the captain is forced first now

just like how uhoh is later on in oceanus

add in the fact that thessaly is designed like trash and doesn't fit well into how hades generates rooms well yeah i can see 50 runs without charybdis

[marsh spear]

Lol

[orchid acorn]

joke about the above

which american starter pokemon do you choose?
a possum, a raccoon or a skunk?

[raven perch]

Don’t use that word

[marsh spear]

Ikik but I'm so Emerald Factory pilled lately I can't help it

[fierce jasper]

i sure do love (almost) insta-casting my omega cast, very fun

[raven perch]

It’s a slur

[marsh spear]

Bewear I guess

[marsh spear]

WAT

[raven perch]

Yeah dude

[marsh spear]

Yikes didn't know

[orchid acorn]

anythings a slur if you try hard enough

[white jewel]

I really hope with 1.0 that Charybdis is eventually forced cause it feels weird needing to fight base scylla at 20 Fear

[marsh spear]

Shut up, Pronto

Now i feel mean

[orchid acorn]

sybau cinna, they named the cinnamon challenge after you cause they make the same face

[raven perch]

You’re literally the evilest person in the world /j

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/trolando-pegadinha-gif-9626634

[marsh spear]

As a matter of fact i did the challenge

Not a good time

[marsh spear]

Insert curse of the pharaoh return the slab mario 64 fire lands sounds

[vast coyote]

Same.

[marsh spear]

I miss Ice Wine

[limber mural]

Is there any updates for 1.0?

[raven perch]

Tomorrow

[limber mural]

Cap

[elfin forge]

Is there any updates for 1.0?

[brave urchin]

The update on the update might be on Friday on Nintendo Direct.

[limber mural]

Thx

[marsh spear]

Might

[hallow vault]

The Direct is the longest ever

My copium is high with this one

[empty abyss]

its coming tomorrow. I allow it

[hallow vault]

Would be a funny parallel if they announce the 1.0 on the September Direct

[brave urchin]

Would be EVEN cooler if they announced it to come out on 17. September, which is Hades 1 fifth birthday.

[marsh spear]

Certainly

Ok so I'm brainstorming Arcana while sleep deprived at work

This one came to mind:
Disables god pool restrictions

[limpid oar]

Why would you? I wouldn't activate that for free. Dillutes your boon pool and makes it nigh-impossible to make a build

[elfin forge]

who cares?

[marsh spear]

Logic: correct
Id: for fun

What if it had negative cost

[limpid oar]

Then I'd consider picking it up if the extra grasp allows me to click something I normally cannot in my setup

[marsh spear]

Going deeper:
Envision a whole column/row of Arcanae that give questionable sidegrades like this one, but each have negative grasp

[limpid oar]

Poor judgement

[marsh spear]

Well you got me there

This is what thought experiments are for though

[limpid oar]

But that aside, you're right that'd be an interesting design space

Though i am afraid it would just end up being free grasp for setups that don't care about the downside and not clickable for anything else

[marsh spear]

True, same fear

It's difficult to add on to the altar without breaking its balance

[limpid oar]

Reminds me of old panic which was an upside to no omega builds but killed omega builds

[limpid oar]

Also the amount of arcana we got rn is just aesthetically pleasing

[marsh spear]

Absolutely

(I'd love more though)

[slim pike]

It's kinda why I like how hades never implemented something like ror2's lunar items

[limpid oar]

Earlier into EA I was believing in reversed cards but now it's a bit too late I'm afraid

[marsh spear]

Because envision:
A whole arse screen full of 50 Arcanae

[slim pike]

Shaped Glass would ruin hades's run balance

[marsh spear]

And you can highlight them in the shape of a Metroidvania map

[marsh spear]

Ooooh I loved and hated them

[marsh spear]

Gesture of the drowned

[slim pike]

I did too, but that design space has been all taken up by the current set

[marsh spear]

Yyyup, many of the cards go in pairs

[slim pike]

Activates your hex automatically but halves cost. Yeah, busted

[marsh spear]

Bingo

It's kinda Chaos anyway

[slim pike]

Also ever since excellence had legendary chance added, one of the last inverse mirror talents has been accounted for

[slim pike]

It is chaos, but the implementation in hades is much better.

[limpid oar]

Btw what even is the meta arcana these days? I hear about people fitting in both boatman and orig and I'm just like "how do you fit that in"

[marsh spear]

X ept golden touch

[slim pike]

Pay health, pay one reward opportunity cost, pay one detriment for a few rooms

[limpid oar]

To me it's always one or the other

[marsh spear]

With willpower

[slim pike]

That would be busted in h2 with the way cash is a lot more variable

[marsh spear]

Sigh... Midas could have been this game's Sisyphus

[slim pike]

I've walked out of ephyra with over 1k a few times

[marsh spear]

Same

[limpid oar]

I've walked out of ephyra unable to afford stuff in the end shop before

[slim pike]

And Afflurnce and ocean's bounty is much stronger in h2

[marsh spear]

Haha YES

[slim pike]

My point. Much more variable

Part of the reason Golden Rule had to go. Unbalancable

[brave urchin]

Hades 2 fans.

[slim pike]

Even though Hoarding Slash was fine

There's clearly a lot of lessons learned from h1

Dark regeneration anyone?

Olympian favour or dark foresight?

[limpid oar]

Did they not make golden rule just flat damage that scaled with everything at some point? Or am I misremembering

[slim pike]

It was a bug where it added flat power instead of %

Since it said 5% damage per 100 gold, but added 5 power instead

Yes, instant win button

[marsh spear]

Regen will never compete with Wayward, and favour/foresight are kinda the Fates corner.
Favour is Excellence

God I'm sleepy

[slim pike]

Quite. Forced binary choices often makes it bad

[marsh spear]

Agreed

[slim pike]

But then you're always forced to take X or Y, you might as well make the most of it, so it's interesting there

[marsh spear]

Another Arcana i brainstormed:
Your cast instead is a ring of small casts

Less damage each, but all get benefits

[slim pike]

Arcanas are also balanced by position a lot too

I'd love to use artificer more, but its position is meeeeh

Swapping excellence and origination would kick excellence completely off a cliff

[marsh spear]

Artificer is a weird one to use for Strength+Divinity

[slim pike]

I suffer from always wanting divinity and the queen active

[marsh spear]

SAME

[slim pike]

The lovers is insanely good, but man that position...

[marsh spear]

Aracana
The Accursed
NPC rooms are guaranteed

Eeeh delete

[marsh spear]

Pretty much mandatory for judgement runs but their position makes me forgo them most of the time

[slim pike]

Yeah, my opinion is the same

[marsh spear]

Which is CRAZY for a reusable acorn

[slim pike]

When you consider that it might as well say "you have +~120hp versus typhon" then yeah

[marsh spear]

Wish there had been a Sleep Arcana

The art would have slapped

[slim pike]

Hard to sleep while being slapped

[dusky mountain]

Happy launch day everyone!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-iHDj3EwdI

[buoyant matrix]

i got over always wanting queen
but divinity is a no brainer

[limpid oar]

I couldn't take artificer off ever, UW onion is miserable without it

[icy blade]

does anyone know the prerequisites for the incantations that make the healing fountains better? I feel like I got them very early in my first run

[brave urchin]

Rude!

I hope you stab your toe.

[dusky mountain]

[deep token]

I have a question about Arachne and the relationship with her.

|| My relationship with Arachne stalls at 3 hearts and it is saying she is not receptive to nectar until we better understand each other. But I don't know how to do that. The last few times I visited her, there was no conversation anymore. She just says something and gives me her reward. Do I need to progress my relationship with someone else first? ||

And another question:

Does it matter on Olympus if I take the "jump pad" or a door in regards to how many chambers there are till the boss fight?

[frank igloo]

I think it's just not released yet

At least mine hasn't gone beyond 3 hearts either

[deep token]

I saw on Reddit comments regarding her that you could talk with || Hekate and Athena about Arachne's curse || so I wondered if that's at a later point.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1mnmso3/question_about_interpreting_some_scripts_for_a/?show=original

[lusty sleet]

arachne is at 6 hearts for me so can get past 3

[deep token]

Thanks for this information!

[lusty sleet]

sorry i dont remember how to get past that point tho

[deep token]

I wonder if I have to improve the relationship to the head mistress now though I don't see the connection between both but there is apparently some script

[lusty sleet]

possibly sorry wish i still remembered

[orchid acorn]

nah you can,or at least could max her out as far as EA was concerned anyway

i remember hearing that her and doras questline got bugged at some point a few months ago which required some patches, dunno if those ever got fixed or if they just left them bugged to fix at 1.0

but the condition to continue the arachne quest was to A- have athena and arachne at some high heart count B- have a charon delivery in the crossroads, so arachne was allowed to spawn and have the dialogue of her talking to hecate happen

[sleek oar]

Finally r5’ed all the aspects

The only things i have left to complete before 1.0 are a few prophecies and some bounties

[slim pike]

done all keepsakes?

[elfin forge]

for me i only do the fun stuff without grinding

the only fear level i increase is rivals because it adds more content

[slim pike]

I increase grit and hordes for more stuff to punch

[orchid acorn]

hordes and menance is also content technically

new variations of enemy rooms

[verbal rampart]

Congratulations!

Also please excuse me but

Where's the 1.0?

[hollow lily]

https://tenor.com/view/george-bush-george-w-bush-george-walker-bush-george-bush-gif-4763846221746003914

[dusky mountain]

check behind your ear

[verbal rampart]

I did check. You lied to me, monster!

[dusky mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/typhon-monsterverse-gif-8764898565581960815

[hollow lily]

Clanker

[verbal rampart]

Witch

[dusky mountain]

heph voice Witchie

hey i actually have a question

how exactly does Doom work and is it even worth to take

[buoyant matrix]

fangs adds content

[humble urchin]

do you mean the engraved pin keepsake?

[buoyant matrix]

a lot of it actually

[hollow lily]

Meli was talking shi* on mortals so we obviously need a slur for her

[verbal rampart]

Pale girl. Bleach-skinned.

[hollow lily]

Half arm

[verbal rampart]

Ghost goth

[hollow lily]

Silver foot

[pseudo wing]

What keepsakes do yall use the most? I usually start with the crystal figurine and moon beam interchangeably, then hammer or sometimes embryo in the last location

[verbal rampart]

I usually start with an Olympian keepsake so I can make a Duo Boon build

[pseudo wing]

I pray for rng to gimme the hades card every time

Im yet to max out the olympian keepsakes, its seems a hustle now that i found a comfy set of keepsakes

[hollow lily]

choose ur poison it literally doesnt matter lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1208488535649292398/1415666291162746970/image.png?ex=68c40979&is=68c2b7f9&hm=600aea63756ee44cd1d05f56b3a1b4718a241f05c5d5e1f9c17f3ff3c6275989&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1022&height=575

[buoyant matrix]

start with the keepsake of the god whose boon you want

[polar abyss]

Olympian Keepsake to guarentee a specific boon (especially if Vow of Forfeit is on) ->
Second Olympian Keepsake if I need Blinding Rush or some other specific boon / Moon Beam in UW if I have Total Eclipse / Fig Leaf for speedruns ->
Gorgon Amulet if I lose most DDs to Sirens / Experimental Hammer if I am using a hammer reliant aspect / Sash for speedruns ->
Pin if I used Gorgon Amulet already / Gorgon Amulet if I didn’t use it in Region 3 / White Antler for speedruns

[hollow lily]

If he's new to the game I'd say skellys tooth is more important

[buoyant matrix]

that's for the final boss

[polar abyss]

But the tooth does not stick around if you switch off it, so you should like never start with Tooth.

[hollow lily]

Yeah that's true

[pseudo wing]

Nah, i dont use dds at all, i like the effect of the heracles card

[hollow lily]

Bruhhhhhhh

[orchid acorn]

strenght was goated pre unseen

[hollow lily]

Tf you mean no dds

[orchid acorn]

now its just arguably worse basically always unless you are a god, and if your that much of a god you were winning anyway

so many synergies and options exist for DD player bailouts

[pseudo wing]

I usually try to always take the sea star boon, so i get a lot of cerberus hearts. But also, i havents beaten fear 24, so maybe i should change my tactics

[orchid acorn]

strength is "lmao have a few dead options"

[polar abyss]

People do still use Strength. It’s better after the first clear run but before adding max Rivals, Scars, and Pain, and better for 65, but they aren’t using it for that.

[orchid acorn]

they don't even have the respect to delete them from the pool for like half the stuff 😭

there is NO way strenght is better for beating your first run

[hollow lily]

I still don't get the godsent hexes from selene

[orchid acorn]

in what world do you even have level 3 strength for a 'first clear'

me on my way to use 30% reduced damage for 10% increased damage instead of a full DD, or likely 2

[polar abyss]

Ok, fine.

• 0 - to like… 8 or 10 fear -> Death
• Switch to Strength after getting comfortable with base game fights
• Switch to Death when Rivals, Pain, and Scars are introduced / required to take for fear records
• Switch to Strength if you are a Void Masochist /s

[pseudo wing]

Are dds really good for high fear runs? They only restore 100 hp, so i thought its not worth it when i usually have around 200 by the time i reach chronus/typhon

[hollow lily]

Even tho I play on normal and most of my builds are tank builds I could see 3dds being necessary for high fear runs

[orchid acorn]

they restore 40% of your max hp, not a flat amount

if it was only 100 flat honestly strength would be better

[pseudo wing]

Ah i see

[orchid acorn]

at 200hp thats 80hp healed though

yet its three times at level 3

AND can be refilled by echo, or athena

[humble urchin]

can also take toula and pin and they don’t screw you over like strength

[orchid acorn]

or narcissus

AND has synergies with multiple other options like hex nodes(though not exactly anything to wrtie home about) or choices like hades last gasp - again nothing to be excited about but its still there

[hollow lily]

Try having 5dds and beating chronos just by standing still and doing AOE attacks

Funniest thing I did

My HP was 350 or smtn

[orchid acorn]

and death defiances remove all projectiles, so you lowkey cna just eat a DD to remove all the bs on the screen

[rocky lava]

We believe in today

[polar abyss]

The other thing is that DDs also technically protect you from overkilling damage. If you are at 10 HP, there is no difference between getting hit by an attack that deals 12 damage, or 120 damage, for DDs.

[hollow lily]

also wtf is this i read earlier about freeing zag. im pretty sure i got faaar into the game yet i havent done anything of the sort

[verbal rampart]

Zagreus can't be freed currently, who wrote that?

[polar abyss]

🪤

[hollow lily]

pretty sure im at the end game for this version

[polar abyss]

It is Bait

Or it’s a theory

[hollow lily]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-nuke-trvth-nvke-big-boss-gif-15944112429945701902

[hallow vault]

Tbh Zagreus would be a Peak Edition

But Mel is a Great Character

[polar abyss]

Honestly, I don’t want Zagreus to be a playable character. If you want to play Zagreus, why not play Hades 1?

[buoyant matrix]

yeah so many people want zagreus to have some big role in 1.0 but i don't think it'd fit with the story

[polar abyss]

I’d be fine if he played a part in the game’s resolution. What I don’t want is him as a PC again.

[verbal rampart]

Exactly. What I feared about Hades 2 whas "Will Hades 1 be obsolete after?" and I'm glad it is not. You can still enjoy playing Zagreus

[polar abyss]

What I’d actually want in 1.0 for changes to Mel are the dress ideas. Perhaps have Arachne after the final part of her relationship give you an option to give the look of a specific dress, but not the effects.

And also more voice lines for specific interactions, and a few more Crossroad decorations (We need the card backs for the hidden aspects for example)

[limpid oar]

Playable Zag is one of the silliest requests I've seen here

[verbal rampart]

YEah that'd be great! Custom your Mel, free à la carte!

[verbal rampart]

I doubt they will answer this request. And if they do, it would be a mistake : Hades 1 is cool, just let it be.

[buoyant matrix]

and it's been requested so many times

also making all h1 weapons usable in h2

as if they haven't found new owners 🗿

[limpid oar]

It's ok, Mel can just 3D print her own infernal arms

[verbal rampart]

I mean, yes, Zagreus can't use Stygia and Exagryph anymore.

[buoyant matrix]

i mean she already 3d printed an arm, just have to make it infernal

[buoyant matrix]

athena has aegis

[verbal rampart]

Ah yes, I forgot

[buoyant matrix]

and talos may be using the actual malphon

[verbal rampart]

So Zag only has the spear and the bow currently

[maiden salmon]

I believe Zagreus still has the spear with him, he tried to use it on Chronos

[buoyant matrix]

zag is currently a funkopop, they will have gone somewhere too

[verbal rampart]

I wonder what keepsake we will obtain from Zagreus

(Yeah, I'm certain we will have a Zag Keepsake, just like with Persephone)

[elfin forge]

https://imgur.com/a/QXKR2ZT
When is she going to realize

[ebon oak]

Alright, is this just a skill issue, or not?
#h2-feedback message

[fading knoll]

Idk I think surface enemies are like fine these days they've been giga nerfed 19 separate times

[ebon oak]

Oh, hi foolish.

[fading knoll]

Hullo

[urban topaz]

Every time someone ask for playable Zagreus a baby seal dies

[ebon oak]

Got any advice for 50 Fear Surface attempts?

[quaint pumice]

I want playable Zagreus

[polar abyss]

Playable Zagreus exists in Hades 1.

[ebon oak]

I want playable Frinos.

[verbal rampart]

Play Hades 1

[quaint pumice]

but thats different

[fading knoll]

Ummm idk click buttons

[polar abyss]

Yes, and Hades 2 is a different game. We don’t need Zagreus as a PC in Hades 2.

[fading knoll]

Learn Prom and Typhon cuz they are the only real fights on surface

[verbal rampart]

Git gud

[fading knoll]

First 50% of surface is genuinely fake I swear

[polar abyss]

Don’t play 50 Fear Surface

[quaint pumice]

but das not fair

exclamation mark

[urban topaz]

Nice ragebait

[verbal rampart]

(No for real, good luck, I can't even get past Prometheus at 1 Fear)

[ebon oak]

I've died in Unrivaled Typhon Phase 2 twice. I'm getting close.

[polar abyss]

I’m saying this as someone who lost to Rival Typhon with a Heroic Renewed Faith + Toula combo. Really I am the failure here (probably)

[quaint pumice]

lowkey just pony mod it up and repeat unrivalled prom/typhon over and over again

[elfin forge]

i want playable zagrues in hades 2

[quaint pumice]

im sure a lot of people do this

of the fear climber/speedrunner type

[ebon oak]

I died with +8 Heroic Scorch Strike on Mel Coat eith Triple Dash Hammer and Freezer Burn.

[elfin forge]

Dino needs zag bad, he's so desperate he invited prometheus lmao

[urban topaz]

I think he will show up with Varatha or Gigaros even

[polar abyss]

Ok, here’s why I disagree:

1. Hades 1 exists. If you care about just playing Zagreus, that exists.
2. It will take far too much development time for SGG to make even a playable Zagreus.
   And I think this second point is really what matters here.

You have to re-record a whole bunch of dialogue, animations, and explain in story how all the bosses still want to fight Zagreus.

[urban topaz]

They just had to make a side quest which you have to make Zagreus reach the Surface

[polar abyss]

And there’s like a 0% chance any of the weapons are getting added. Thats even more animations, dialogue, and canonically it doesn’t make sense since as mentioned, 4/6 weapons that Zagreus has are known to be used by other people.

[urban topaz]

No need to him become a PC

[elfin forge]

yeah

[polar abyss]

It could be done like the interactions with ||Chaos and Nyx|| (not sure if I need to spoiler that, but I’m going to anyway.)

[slim pike]

Comedy moment, you find zagreus in Charon's boat in the ephyra shop getting ferried back after he tries to reach Olympus himself

[polar abyss]

Well we know that Zagreus currently is timecubed by Chronos

[quaint pumice]

how long till styx takes zag back tho if he even hypothetically reaches the surface

afaik mel didnt dispel the curse only weaken it

gameplay contrivances aside

[empty abyss]

would be nice to see our glorious prince back as an npc. Man I wonder how he looks now with the new artstyle

[polar abyss]

This I do agree with. I’m fine with Zagreus having cameos, or being an NPC. What I have a problem with, are people wanting to replace Mel with Zagreus.

[urban topaz]

Which reminded me: in the cutscene which Chronos takes over the House and the family members appear trapped in the time cub, they are running from him or they was getting ready to fight him?

[wide socket]

v1.0 when?

[polar abyss]

I think they were trying to fight.

Zagreus and the others were facing Chronos.

[empty abyss]

That would be sick doe. Playable Zagreus with the new weapons... I mean SGG would have to design a whole new skillset for him and it would be tedious.

[polar abyss]

Meh. Idk…

[urban topaz]

Except Dusa

[polar abyss]

Ah. True

[wide socket]

i would much prefer mel and nem in rival typhon fight or something after first credit

[empty abyss]

oh no she was squaring up. She was ready to spit out rocks before Chronos made her freeze

[pseudo wing]

oh bruh i almost cleared 24 fear in underworld, but i acc stepped into cronos freezing circle in the second phase

[dire sand]

Ouchy

[dusky mountain]

Jokes on you, Zagreus was here all along, he was Commander Schelemaeus all the time.
Didnt you find it weird they introduced a completely new character that wasnt in Hades 1 that knows so much about the House of Hades?
Commander Schelemaeus identity is still a complete mystery.

[polar abyss]

Oh yeah. True

[verbal rampart]

Time cannot be stopped

[inner gulch]

Despite being such a new character he feels so familiar immediately, just like I've always known him

[verbal rampart]

But actually? Congrats for getting to Chronos with 24 Fear. I'm sorry, I'm being mean today

[pseudo wing]

thats fine, ur not mean, im more sad about that i fumbled a run by the same simple mistake twice already lmao

[verbal rampart]

I'm around my 50th night and I'm at 1 Fear + beat Chronos only 4 times + never get passed Prometheus. So actually you're probably way better than me.

[inner gulch]

I was surprised by how much more tricky underworld is compared to surface for fear, unrivalled cerberus does not mess around

[pseudo wing]

its fine, i got 90 hours in the game so its natural lol

personally i find underworld easier than overworld, unrivalled or not, but yeah cerberus always eats a lot of my hp in the frist phase, i still dont get how to avoid all his attacks lol. the last location in overworld is hell + the last unrivalled boss puts such an annoying and nerve wrecking curse at the end lol

[inner gulch]

I generally find underworld much easier

But I think the unrivalled bosses are a bit harder than the surface ones

[verbal rampart]

Same, I usually beat the Underworld better than the Surface

[inner gulch]

Doesn't help that I was doing it with black coat though, doesn't feel like the greatest weapon for unrivalled cerberus

The range was a bit tricky at times

[inner gulch]

I still haven't tried either of the final bosses unrivalled

[verbal rampart]

The Black Coat is...a weird weapon. Mana-charged attacked need a very correct timing to not get punished

[pseudo wing]

i see, yeah, i feel like depending on what weapon you bring underworld unrivalled bosses can be harder than overworld

[inner gulch]

Yeah, it's my favourite weapon still tbh but it's very strange

The aspect of shiva is really cool too

But the omega dash triggering automatically and stopping your mana regen is really obnoxious sometimes

[inner gulch]

I also find unrivalled sirens kinda tricky ngl and the overworld ones didn't feel too different to me, eris is kinda hard but I was surprised by Prometheus not being too much harder than normal (since he's already really hard)

[verbal rampart]

I tried the Black Coat only once, at a Surface run. Got a very cool Daedalus Hammer boon but ultimately lost to Talos mini-boss

[pseudo wing]

prometheus became easier for me because the fire stripes no longer one shot u lol

[inner gulch]

Ohhh really I didn't even know that

The patterns were really fun though

[pseudo wing]

yeah it only deals 60 damage

[inner gulch]

Esp since you are also preoccupied

[pseudo wing]

true, i like the idea, but i like it even more now that its more forgiving

[verbal rampart]

The fire stripes used to one-shot Mel?

[inner gulch]

I'm glad it's not too much harder though because that boss is pretty rough already and also somewhat of a speed check

[inner gulch]

They still do outside of unrivalled I think is the point

Unrivalled changes that mechanic a bit but honestly I don't think it would be that unfair even if they still one shot

[pseudo wing]

i think they one-shot u, well maybe it changed, i didnt get hit enough to notice, i only remember that when the patch with prometheus dropped i got caught by suprise with the new mechanic and died instantly by the fire

[inner gulch]

I still find it hard to adjust to the ranged playstyle of Hades 2 so I naturally gravitated towards Moonstone Axe and Black Coat, but I find Moonstone Axe suuuper weak or I don't quite get how to use it ig

[pseudo wing]

(in the regular version)

[verbal rampart]

I'm a lover of the Torches, especially the Aspect of Moros.

[inner gulch]

I have barely used most of the ranged weapons tbh, I really like the staff as well though

Don't think I've even cleared on torches or the daggers

[verbal rampart]

I cleared only with torches or daggers

[inner gulch]

I will say the combat feels way, way better compared to Patch 1 though overall

And I had more unlocks so coming back the other weapons wasn't as bad as I remembered

[haughty hill]

they do the same damage on both versions

[pseudo wing]

moros torches and artemis daggers r the best, i clear any run with them comfortably

[haughty hill]

they have had their damage nerfed since prom launch though, it used to be like 150 or so I think?

[inner gulch]

Oh I see, I didn't know that

Last time I got hit it killed me but I was probs just low

[pseudo wing]

ah, then it makes sence, i played before the nerfes

[inner gulch]

I didn't get hit on unrivalled tho and I only did it once so fair

Might try to do unrivalled on the final bosses on release/achievement update

[pseudo wing]

oh i found it, i got the game in august 2024

[inner gulch]

I played a bit on the first Early Access patch but I had to literally force myself to not do everything before it was updated more and burn myself out

So I stopped until like Warsong/Unseen

[pseudo wing]

yeah that checks out, i played up until prometheus was added, cleared everything new there was, then had a break from the game until warsong, cleared it again and returned when i heard that the 1.0 version is dropping

[hollow lily]

Nah, let him use the same weapons as Mel and hence the same boons and powers etc etc,

[hallow vault]

My urge is Coming up again

Once 1.0 drops i will start anew

[dusky mountain]

UR Hecate is pretty rough, UR sirens are okay, UR cerby is also okay
UR Poly is a bit annoying but not too bad, UR Eris is a joke, UR Prome is annoying and takes time unless you facetank everything

UR typhoon is doable, havent done UR Chronos yet

[hallow vault]

UR Typhon and Chronos tho

[dusky mountain]

im always gonna play Vow 3 and not Vow 4 for fear

doing vow 4 to see but i think its not worth to have such a huge challenge at the end

ig if you get used to the fights you can take VoW 4 over other fear

[inner gulch]

UR Prometheus does just take forever

I think my fight time for it was like 5 minutes almost

[dusky mountain]

UR prometheus i always run out of time even on 7m

i cant even imagine 5

[polar abyss]

I feel like it’s the opposite for me. Rival Chronos has some harsh moves (like the Time slow down in Phases 2 and 3, or the triple scythe), but is rather fair up until P3, with certain moves. Rival Typhon just feels like a mess of projectiles, and he comes right after Rival Prom.

[dusky mountain]

tbf ive only done rival typhoon twice and only had p3 and p4 once, i just happened to kill him on my 2nd try. Might need to repeat the fight more often for a more based opinion

[polar abyss]

Not to say I am an “authority”, but I was thinking about it in terms of ridiculously high fear, where Pain 2/3, Grit, and Frenzy are turned up. But also I have not cleared beyond 50 fear on Surface, so I am also biased.

I can clear all Rival fights with the standard 12 fear (or 18 fear with Frenzy 2) pretty easily. But the tune up with Pain added on hurts for me with R3 & R4 Surface

[dusky mountain]

i think 50 fear plus is like the top 1% of players

[hollow lily]

Vow of rivals extends to all bosses?? I thought it was only the first 2 so far

Hecate Scylla or Polyphemus eris

[dusky mountain]

you gotta beat both then you unlock the next set

and then again to unlock the Rivaled big boys

[hollow lily]

So it is for all of them. Ngl I just beat the first vows then turned off all my fear

[dusky mountain]

beat the 2nd set and then askion your kataski

[hollow lily]

She she askion on my kataski till I so mote it be

[dusky mountain]

so mote it be.

[sleek oar]

Lowkey i feel like denial is so good

It makes the build come together a lot easier sometimes

[oak ivy]

someone is going through the 5 stages of grief 😔

[sleek oar]

😭😭

Next up: anger is so good

[oak ivy]

Depression is my fav!

[sleek oar]

Not acceptance? 😦

[oak ivy]

nope!

Acceptance is boring 🥱

[hollow lily]

My fear knowledge really shows (I almost don't know shirt)

[sleek oar]

We dont accept anything

[indigo cypress]

Denial = denial is good
Anger = forced sacrifice
Bargaining = using rerolls to avoid forsaking 2 desired boons
Depression = realizing you'll never be able to activate Rallying Cry
Acceptance = realizing denial is a vow for a reason 💀

[oak ivy]

🔥 ✍️

[sleek oar]

I mean yeah i agree, it sometimes is horrible, but i find it one of the more fun vows

Makes me have to think

[indigo cypress]

Oh it def is one of the better designed vows

Huge step up from approval process

[oak ivy]

it's super well designed I agree

it actually makes you think which is a cool thing

[sleek oar]

Approval process

[humble blade]

approval process is so bad it took 4 (maybe 5) for the first 64 heat clear

[oak ivy]

4 or 5 what?

[humble blade]

years

[humble urchin]

what do you mean a pact that removes 95% of your build control isn’t fun??

[humble blade]

for the non-hades 1 players here, you guy have it good

[humble blade]

the idea is you kinda make do with what you got

[oak ivy]

Now that I think about it, I dont remember seeing a single person on this server actually that played Hades 2 but not the first one...

[humble urchin]

yeah but it isn’t really fun knowing you have near zero control..atleast to me

[sleek oar]

I kinda speedran h1 for this game

[humble urchin]

i feel like it makes sense currently, because most people who would get h2 in EA are probably people who really loved h1 and want more

[oak ivy]

true true!

[sleek oar]

I loved it but i wanted to play mel so bad for some reason 😭

[oak ivy]

Mel is so much better I agree

I love my sprint button 🙏

[humble blade]

welp, I can comfortable go up to 50 heat with AP2 since you still have plenty of options, after that is a rngfest simply because of Tight Deadline

viable option is kinda limited

[humble urchin]

you’re a much better player than i am/much more patient, i never touched AP in h1

[sleek oar]

Sometimes i miss the double dashes

[humble blade]

I mean I found fun in heat climbing, others just crafting builds

priority I guess

[sleek oar]

Getting an greatest reflex step was lowkey pure euphoria 💀

[indigo cypress]

The Chad Greatest Reflex
vs
The Virgin Stutter Step

[sleek oar]

Wait goddamnit

[humble urchin]

i kinda stopped h1 early to start h2, didn’t push heat too much in h1

[sleek oar]

I called it the wrong name

[humble urchin]

i’m working my way towards fear in h2 now

[humble blade]

Just try for the last skelly statue, if fun, try more fear, otherwise stop

[sleek oar]

Too h2 brained 😞😞

[humble urchin]

oh yeah i already got that, i meant working my way towards 50f+

[hollow lily]

I wanna make an edgy joke but idk if I should

[humble blade]

gl, I'm learning hades 2 atm but damn It does feel like a bullet hell compared to the hack n slash in hades 1

[sleek oar]

Rivals scylla…

Some other parts also feel like bullet hell imo but to a lesser degree

[hollow lily]

H2 has sooo much more projectile attacks compared to H1 lol

[humble urchin]

it’s actually the opposite

it’s just UR scylla and maybe typhon

[humble blade]

and they also nerf divine dash my beloved

[sleek oar]

That one charybdis phase too

[hollow lily]

Not bosses but regular foes

[slim pike]

nah, H1 was much more projectile based

[hollow lily]

Bosses are mostly medium distance attacks

[humble urchin]

yeah that’s a good bit of projectiles but i wouldn’t call it bullet hell (normal charybdis fight)

[indigo cypress]

Just walk 🚶‍➡️

[hollow lily]

If they have projectile or range attacks, pray to god you know about it in advance or ur fcked

[sleek oar]

I suck at charybdis so bad, i think its cause you dont always get them so i havent learned the patterns yet

[hollow lily]

Chronos boomerang still pisses me off to this day

[humble blade]

stupid question but your attack don't destroy projectile like in H1 right?

[humble urchin]

they don’t

[slim pike]

basically there's only one projectile deleting effect of note and it's hestia's legendary

[hollow lily]

BRING BACK MOONAXE BLOCK

[indigo cypress]

Imo Hades 2 isn’t as bad and prob easier than Hades 1 honestly once you realize how much more iframes you get if you dash and sprint for a bit than just dash attacking

[hollow lily]

BRING BACK MOONAXE BLOCK

[humble blade]

probably why I struggle so much at the beginning

[slim pike]

christ no, I like having a secondary that can damage something

[humble urchin]

one tip i got for that charybdis phase is when she’s about to do that attack, walk/sprint to one end of the arena, and then make your way towards the other end. a lot of the projectiles will have expired and you’d have to deal with a lot less

[indigo cypress]

Too bad the game never tells you that

[sleek oar]

I see, ill try next time 🫡🫡

[slim pike]

specifically the bottom right, since you can get some projectiles to detonate out of bounds and spawn no submunitions

[hollow lily]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

I had alot of fun with it

Yes it was op as fck

[slim pike]

it's all very fun until you get a maimed chaos curse and can only use your special

[humble urchin]

as in start bottom right?

[slim pike]

then realise how little 10 power is

[slim pike]

wait there for as long as you can, and then move to the top left

[humble urchin]

huh, i’ve been doing the same thing but on opposite ends, is starting bottom right better?

[slim pike]

yeah, little bit

[hollow lily]

The one Daedalus upgrade that I don't get why it exists. Or why would anyone ever choose it is the. 3 attacks into 1 large attack upgrade

[humble blade]

I kinda agree with this. Haven't played around vow of fangs much but benefit package can create some of the most cringe combination known to man

[slim pike]

HellSplitter?

[hollow lily]

Smthn like that. Ur main attack becomes one big attack

[humble urchin]

oh trust me fangs can also create some massive bs

[slim pike]

you kidding me? Combine it with executioner's chop and lol

[hollow lily]

Instead of 3 swings

[slim pike]

just not on the mel or charon axes

you just splat everything in one hit

[buoyant matrix]

the invulnerable speeder wailer in erebus 🙂

[humble blade]

the speeder wavemaker in asphodel

[humble urchin]

fangs is exactly like BP, you either barely pay attention to what it does or you get 2 enemies in a room that just mess you tf up

if not outright kill you/end your run

[hollow lily]

It's sooo useless, you can't slash, you can't dash and you it takes time to spool up making you vulnerable to attacks during it. (It fcks up the pacing/Movement)

[slim pike]

WRONG

[humble urchin]

i will forever hate wailers

[humble blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6AmMFEEE_w

[slim pike]

there's a dash moment where you can do the startup, dash, and then drop the axe after the dash, once you learn this, it's great

also dash strike still exists

[humble urchin]

axe dash strike is so fun to me, even if it isn’t the most damage

[slim pike]

again, do it on thanatos axe

[humble urchin]

the animation is real satisfying

[hollow lily]

It doesn't exist for argon's aspect does it?

[slim pike]

Nergal?

[hollow lily]

Nergal yeah

[slim pike]

That has Heavensplitter instead, and no executioner's chop

[hollow lily]

K bet I'll try it next run

[slim pike]

heaven splitter is different

only the first attack of your combo works, but hits twice

[hollow lily]

Top 3 axe aspects (NO BAIT)

nergal
Thanatos
Melinoe

Chsrons is alright. Haven't spend that much time with it

[humble urchin]

bait used to be believable

[slim pike]

you lose the bashy-bashy attack combo, which is easily the funniest move mel has

[slim pike]

Charon*

[crude dragon]

That's bait

[slim pike]

and charon is lulzy good

kinda boring though

[hollow lily]

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-troll-face-terror-png-troll-face-troll-face-phonk-troll-face-png-gif-9455696315481948297

Nergal still peak tho

All heavy attacks with a dash of AOE

[slim pike]

and all of the grace, precision and finesse we all know Melinoe for

BASHBASHBASHBASHBASH

[hollow lily]

Ngl, I ain't touching anything other than the main 3 weapons

[slim pike]

there's 6 weapons

wat?

[hollow lily]

Sister blades, staff and axe

Skull, that bomby thing and the suit are no go for me

[slim pike]

The skull is the bomby thing

[hollow lily]

https://tenor.com/view/cuz-i-said-so-randy-marsh-south-park-something-you-can-do-with-your-finger-s4e9-gif-21637372

[slim pike]

the other one is the torches and okay?

the suit isn't exactly complex

[hollow lily]

Oh yeah torches exist

[slim pike]

Punch, missiles, punch

Also try Hel skull

[hollow lily]

The torches could've been an aspect of the skull cus o feel like both versions are an iteration of eris rifle from hades 1

[slim pike]

it's very different to the other aspects

[humble blade]

all 6 of the weapon is pretty well balance imo (can't fathom how people drive with medea)

[slim pike]

...These are some very weird takes

[idle crater]

??????

[slim pike]

like, aspect of Hel is basically the H2 version of the adamant rail

[hollow lily]

Actually on second thought

That's an utterly dumb take

I retract my statement

[humble blade]

aetheric moonbust is just bow with extra steps from H1

[slim pike]

Shiva is kind of the grenade launcher

[humble blade]

kinda remind me charged shot is also bow with extra steps lol

[hollow lily]

The bow was mega fun in h1

[slim pike]

ah the bow, the weapon most breakable with hammer upgrades

double shot, flurry shot

[humble blade]

FYI, rama can beat 64 heat EM4 without boon with the right hammer setup

kinda wild

[slim pike]

yeah, because proto-hitch is just that good

[humble blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSk87LS8wE4

[buoyant matrix]

(this was with a savestate fyi)

yeah cheesy is really good with rama

[humble blade]

yep, I was talking about the EM4 part

[slim pike]

Broken Shackle, the saviour of boonless runs

[hollow lily]

The dash timing in between attacks, GAWD DAMN

You really take 0 damage during dashing huh

[humble blade]

not sure if I'm reaching but Eternity card has Transistor's Turn vibe since H2 already took a lot of mechanics form H1

[humble blade]

as long as you not attack during dash, otherwise you'll lose iframe

[marsh spear]

Truuuuu

[hollow lily]

Or dash animation finishes, I guess that's an iframe too

[marsh spear]

It would be so awesome

It would be so cool

If they revealed date today

Cause i would so drool

[tranquil wren]

it'll be tomorrow

[buoyant matrix]

it will be revealed tomorrow that the release date is the 17th

[marsh spear]

Ikik, i just thought WHY not because why not sorry for the noise

It makes sense tomorrow

And yet, it could also NOT be tomorrow either

[tranquil wren]

I fully expect there to be an announcement tomorrow

at the Direct

[marsh spear]

Same

[molten obsidian]

No tomorrow release but at least a release date ☝️

[marsh spear]

Or i Will riot (do nothing)

[marsh spear]

I'm better they announce tomorrow release for the 17th, anniversary of Hades 1

[molten obsidian]

unless we got today +8 steamdb updates like the last 3 major updates, but looks like no

[buoyant matrix]

they will all suddenly happen on the shadow drop day

today is not the shadow drop day

[oak ivy]

when is the shadow drop day?

[buoyant matrix]

either tomorrow or sep 17th