h2-discussion

[heavy nova]

or is the bonus from melinoe based on when you fired and not when the hit lands?

[marsh spear]

Familiar ideas because I'm bored:
🐐 Goat
Rams enemies in a straight line knocking them back and mini stunning them.
Occasionally curses enemies with a random olympic curse of your god pool.
Rams into rocks to mine them.

🐍 Snake
Slithers around you slowly.
If an enemy steps on it they get bitten and poisoned (damage over time, not curse).
Intensifies magick generation.
Can hypnotize shades.

🐇 Hare
Zips and zaps around the room very fast distracting enemies who try to attack it.
Gives passive speed buff.
Munches on flower and plants leaving some for you (foraging).

🐖 Piggie
Roams around the room body blocking enemies.
Generates gold per room.
If the room battle is taking too long, fires a laser for ridiculous amounts of damage.
Digs the soil for seeds, poor thing never finds truffles.

🐢 Turtle
Acts as a moving moon sigil (the ones in Erebus) that can be activated once per room. But it's smaller and shorter in duration.
Improves hex damage.
Can dive for fish.

🦎 Rainbow Salamander
Provides 🪨 💧 🔥 🌀 🔮 for the night.
Increases likelihood of infusions.
If it gets hit by your omega cast, it releases a delayed rainbow explosion for some damage.
Dude so lazy it gets you no resources.

[buoyant matrix]

if you take wide grin on mel skull it completely deletes the aspect bonus

[heavy nova]

got it, that's absolutely terrible, it should be the other way around lol

[buoyant matrix]

maybe it'll work with volatile array and possessed array

@heavy nova we've asked for that buff dozens of times but they don't do it probably because it'd be mega busted

[fading knoll]

Wide grin is hype tho I will always take it

It either builds into omega attack nuke town or just pretendyouaremedea.mp4 it's lit

[shell herald]

i am more talking about a button to hold to get a random full set, not to have to use a whole card that does have a cost, to be able to have some kind of randomness 🙂

[robust basin]

Oh! I thought it was 14:00 UTC I am probably wrong

[small bison]

Hades 2 when

[static bay]

Is there any news on a demo being added for Hades 2 when it releases in full? I still haven't been able to get the cash together to pick it up and likely won't be able to for the foresseable future, so thought I'd ask on the offchance

[buoyant matrix]

it is 14:00 utc

[buoyant matrix]

I don't think so, hades 1 didn't have any such demo

[buoyant matrix]

also i just read this and what's up with the pig suddenly doing a Kamehameha 😂

[static bay]

Ouch 🙁 Been trying to get myself a copy for ages but life hasn't been kind lately, will keep waiting!

[robust basin]

Oh I forgot I am not UTC but CET. Then yes I fucked up

[buoyant matrix]

it's funny how dyno going down has made us so comfortable dropping f bombs 😂

[robust basin]

The word that shall not be named

It's hp all over again... Sigh

[buoyant matrix]

24 hours 33 minutes until skong

[robust basin]

Hmmmm it is 14:28 in UTC at the moment no?

[buoyant matrix]

as of now it's 13:59

wait no

13:29

and now it's 13:30

you can always just google "current utc time btw"

[empty abyss]

Mel upon learning that the Olympians highkey cruel ash to the humans so choose to continue the war

[raven perch]

She knows that they are cruel from the jump

It’s not news to her

[robust basin]

Oh... It's because utc doesn't do daylight savings time? Sigh....

[shell herald]

what is 🙂 ?

[buoyant matrix]

they're timezones

[robust basin]

Also apparently I am cest... So many letters

[buoyant matrix]

central eastern time zone?

central european summer time

huh the timezone name actually changes to indicate daylight savings

[robust basin]

Because silksong drops at 14 UTC and I for some ungodly reason though I was UTC when never in my life I lived in Britain or France or whatever countries UTC corresponds in Africa

[robust basin]

Yes

I still lived in a world that used GMT but apparently it is deprecated since the 90s lol

I'll say chaos above below trials are a godsent for people that don't want to think but want a challenge. It's so cool

[visual hawk]

??????????? did they lift the swear filter or something

[polar abyss]

At the moment, Dyno (the bot that filters chat and gives roles) is broken, so filters are to be done by mods when available

[visual hawk]

ah okay that makes sense

i just got really confused for a sec i had to double take when i saw it LOL

[robust basin]

Where did I swear?

[visual hawk]

here

[robust basin]

Ja ok, I'm joking

[visual hawk]

oh LOL

[robust basin]

Ok i was not expecting to have bs flagged as a bad word 😵

[empty abyss]

dirty clanker needs a rest? Wow, thats fancy

[visual hawk]

yeah most of the conventional ones are, i compulsively swear so it was hard to get used to but it's not that big a deal

[empty abyss]

then again, wouldnt want it to be raging like one of Hephaestus damned clankers so let it take all the rest.

[robust basin]

Chapeau per thine tongue oh sir

[raven perch]

What

[robust basin]

I kind of feel like censoring here is nonsense. I get it in high offices or TV news or something to a degree, but policing words when there's no malice feels very bad

[robust basin]

Dyno is resting

[visual hawk]

to be fair a lot of people use them for insults and such so it makes sense, i'd rather it not be here but at least it filters out people who are actively being malicious automatically

plus you don't need them to have conversation

[raven perch]

Is because there’s kids in the server

[little frost]

yeah I was gonna say it's cause hades is rated what T or something?

[raven perch]

I mean Hades isn’t the only game of discussion here but even then yeah

It’s also why you can’t have too graphic descriptions of sex or anything else, gotta keep it relatively pg

[robust basin]

Hmmm... You raise a good point. I will shut up.

[raven perch]

Cuss!

[marsh spear]

So there's this cartoon show with Jackie Chan and the zodiac animals, and the pig for whatever reason could shoot lasers.
Since then I've always had them associated

[robust basin]

That cartoon is crazy good and holds up to this day! High recommend!
Jackie Chan's adventures season 1!

[flat glacier]

yeah, a reminder to please not swear

[robust basin]

I remember the chinese "zodiac" thanks to that show
Also Seven capital sins thanks to full metal alchemist.

[robust basin]

Yessir! I will do my best

[short raft]

question: how does dad's Jar work? can i just spam stuff with tourches and create a billion of em ect?

[limpid oar]

I'd rather it wasn't censored too, but it makes sense for an official discord to be more restrictive if the game isn't even 18+

[short raft]

or are they capped

[robust basin]

Yes exactly

Unless the code says otherwise... Oh

[short raft]

I need to know, cuz im not doing a run just to be dissapointed

[robust basin]

Yeah... Like 14+ kids are one thing, but if younger people join it would make me uncomfortable to speak this freely... I see the problem now... I was blind

Who are the code experts?
Six, pronto, foolish? Should I tag them?

[robust basin]

Just for understanding how much magick do you intend to spend? Because even with ocean swell and fine line I wasn't spending that much.

[short raft]

also, can echos relic trigger on dad boons?

[polar abyss]

There is also Hippo. Don’t remember if they are in this server though

[short raft]

Yeah, but then you can add Zeus and demeter for O A

[polar abyss]

I believe the answer is Yes

[robust basin]

Oh wow... That is crazy

[short raft]

" Unlike the Urn or Gold Urn found throughout the night, Soul Urns cannot be destroyed by sprinting past them. Instead, they must be attacked to trigger their effect.
Cinerary Circle has no cooldown between activations, allowing it to benefit from weapons with fast-paced Ω Moves, such as Umbral Flames' Ω Attack (excluding the Aspect of Eos)."

[robust basin]

Because it can trigger on Athena, Dio and Artemis?

[robust basin]

Yeah but that is the cooldown not the cap.
Even though it does sound unlikely for it to be capped

[short raft]

It begin low CD its enough for a test run, i will notice you on how much it is insane soon nuff

[robust basin]

Oh... The wiki says that echo's keepsake can trigger sacrificial boons... That is crazy

[little frost]

yeah

[robust basin]

Ok! Enjoy! I wish you lots of magick and an heroic born gain!

[empty abyss]

we allow killings and cruelty against humanity-half our biology

But yes, adult stuff is too mature for the young audience

[raven perch]

Yup that’s how it works bud

[robust basin]

Thank you...

It has always been ridiculous

[raven perch]

We can get into discourse about purity culture, or you could just move on

[neon isle]

it kind of is ridiculous but its because of cultural norms and this isnt the place to change them

[limpid oar]

What is the age rating for h2? Is it 12? 13? I remember something like that

[raven perch]

12

[empty abyss]

Im still surprised how Nem is a love interest

anyone but her

[robust basin]

Why?

[empty abyss]

Eris too

[robust basin]

That's not an answer

[frank mulch]

Eris… all I wanted……

[empty abyss]

I dont see it, not one bit

Nem is just doing her job being a grumpy and edgy Retribution

Eris is Eris, I do not need to say anything more about her

[little frost]

and maybe mel like that idk

[raven perch]

Eris my sweet daughter

[robust basin]

Ok and?

[robust basin]

Hello Nyx

[raven perch]

No Nyx doesn’t deserve her

[empty abyss]

god blasted, boy. Youre freaky

[raven perch]

Eris is my favourite H2 character because she inspires so much joy

[raven perch]

She’s my daughter!!!

I’ll fight Nyx in court for custody

[frank mulch]

nyx does not care I think LOL

[sleek oar]

Eris is amazing wym by this

[raven perch]

All the better ! I’m taking Eris to the dinosaur museum

[robust basin]

I do think she is poorly done in some spots.luke a caricature

[raven perch]

Which parts in particular?

[frank mulch]

Every time I see people here say they can’t stand Eris because she pisses them off I feel two things distinctly like 1. More 4 me and 2. She did it. She succeeded

[robust basin]

To an extent. She takes after Chaos

[raven perch]

The ragebaiter

[frank mulch]

well chaos is nyxs parent. Or do you mean Eris takes after chaos?

[raven perch]

Nyx takes after Chaos in not caring that much, is my understanding

[robust basin]

Actually... Same for Nem in game

[raven perch]

I like Nem but I’m not as enchanted by her as I am with Eris

[sleek oar]

Me too, i think she can get a little predictable sometimes

Me when woman is not toxic enough

[robust basin]

Her behaving badly feels like she is doing a bit. It made sense in the beginning, but after character development and nectar bottles it feels out of place

Like Meg didn't feel bad after the development

[raven perch]

Yeah, the thing I don’t really like about Nemesis is that she doesn’t actually stand for much

[frank mulch]

Nem is “toxic” eris just here for a laff

[raven perch]

Eris’ bad behavior is just part of who she is, that’s how she has fun. I don’t think she needs to grow out of it per se

[robust basin]

No no, "she doesn't care for Eris" in the same way as Chaos doesn't care for Nyx

[sleek oar]

But isnt her whole quest about how she cant change

[raven perch]

This is just how she bonds with people!

[robust basin]

Lol

[raven perch]

Something I like about Eris is that she is motivated by her care for other people! The expression of that care is just different and not always well received

Eris wants to spend time with her family, and she wants Mel to be in a good place. She’s just really screwing annoying about it lol

I adore her

[robust basin]

I get that she doesn't need to grow out of it and maybe also agree, but her lines are two dimensional now

[sleek oar]

I think thats what makes her so fun to me overall

[raven perch]

You get me

[raven perch]

That kinda happens as you start running out of dialogue tho

[frank mulch]

Meg is so wonderful…. I had this problem with Thanatos, after a full romance he was rude and snippy
Talking to Meg in the house was like “see you out there let’s kill each other again 😉 “
Talking to Thanatos was like “what do you want.” And then he disappears away

[raven perch]

Something that does bug me about Nem (and Thanatos) is that they’re both a little whiny.. it makes the come off as far more immature than Eris does to me

[sleek oar]

I also did not like than’s personality much but he is hot

[frank mulch]

come on man you showed up in my run…. Talk to me Transmit to me

[raven perch]

https://preview.redd.it/unpopular-opinion-front-facing-than-is-gorgeous-v0-99z0ih40uvpa1.jpg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68edbeb96768d0b3c23c11b001ad173396f7d9ed this is not sexy im sorry

His stupid edgeworth hair

[sleek oar]

Ok no the forward face is 💀

[raven perch]

Eris is a brat but prioritizing yourself and having fun isn’t automatically “immature”, in fact the motivations Eris gives for why she does what she does are really philosophical imo! While Nemesis and Thanatos are immature in the sense they really refuse to communicate their feelings like adults half the time, which is more frustrating to me personally

[robust basin]

Gods or immortal in any literature are unchanging. If you make it so she doesn't have any sort of arc, then I am unsure about the point. Or maybe that's the point. It does feel off or strange

[frank mulch]

the ace attorney crossover fanart of him and zag was so cool tho. Idk if I could find it fast but I remember it being such beautiful art LOL

[raven perch]

Eris does change a bit, I do believe the characters aren’t as static as you’d otherwise imagine, but another bigger thing for me is “why should she change?”

The big annoying thing she does is get in Mel’s way, but we’ve established that Mel’s quest isn’t fully wholesome either, which makes me less inclined to hold that against Eris

[sleek oar]

Fully agree with the question

[raven perch]

I wanted to do a piece with megthanzag as phoenix miles and mia…

I don’t even really know jack about ace attorney I’m more a tgaa stan

[sleek oar]

If a character is content with who they are, theyre not gonna want to go through any development, and i think that works in some cases

[raven perch]

Yup yup! And there are some things Eris doesn’t like about herself, and those are the things she is considering trying to change!

[sleek oar]

As someone who got #icanchangehim ‘ed by a girl in the past year, sometimes change is not good for someone’s inner peace 😭

[raven perch]

Eris does take some of Mel’s considerations to heart regarding her behavior, she just doesn’t listen to the people whose points she doesn’t agree with

[sleek oar]

Yesss

[raven perch]

Which I’d say is actually rather mature of her!

[sleek oar]

Thats why her quest was the modt interesting to me

Although i havent done icarus yet so

Maybe that might change

[raven perch]

God I hope that isn’t the extent of her quest that’d be really underwhelming

I want moreeee

My stance on it is that Icarus’ route is more romantic but Eris’ route is more cohesive

I like that Eris and Mel’s relationship isn’t super intense, it’s just a casual thing. I think that’s really true to character. And the dialogue Eris has with Mel about Mel’s own feelings really makes me happy, I love that Eris is truly encouraging Mel to think and stand for herself above all else. She’s even pleased when Mel rejects her, because it means Mel is actively standing up for what she wants! It’s perfect I love her

[sleek oar]

Eris is just an interesting character, i dont think you see many characters like her in other pieces of media

Icarus kinda seemed like a basic love interest to me, so thats why i havent gotten to him yet 🤧

[raven perch]

You really don’t, she’s very unique! Even though she does call upon the trope of the manic pixie dream girl/harley quinn thing a bit, I like that she’s more different on a philosophical level

[raven perch]

He’s definitely more reminiscent of classic love interests but I find that fun in a different way: childhood best friends to almost-lovers to almost-strangers trying to rekindle their friendship.. it’s charming and sweet

My thing with waxwitch is that it’s not really a question about their feelings for one another, and it’s more a question on how they plan to navigate those feelings. No matter what you do, Icarus is very important to Mel, and so the focus is more on the ways in which they’ll act upon their feelings in the context of the war, their past, their statuses, etc.

[sleek oar]

One of my favorite dynamics ever is that so, maybe i need to open my mind more 🤧

[raven perch]

You get me

[empty abyss]

what in the goddamn booktok

[raven perch]

Welcome! I’m very story-pilled

[frank mulch]

lol WHAT

[sleek oar]

Look i just survived the worst 2 year situationship of my life 😭

[sleek oar]

Fair, do you think we’ll get more content w the romanceable characters in 1.0

Or did they confirm anything idk 🤧

[frank mulch]

im glad youre out. someone who was trying to hmu said hes looking for a mentally ill person who could ruin his life and im sorry but thats not how youll pull me. or anyone at all 😭 actually get help

[sleek oar]

Oh my god that is an insane line to say to someone what the hell 😭

[raven perch]

I hope we do! Narcissus had an arc outside of his bonding route so I absolutely hope to see more character-focused explorations in 1.0, outside of the romance stuff

Eris and Nem and Moros need to deal with their feelings about their mother for Christ’s sake… Icarus and Mel need to go flying together…

[frank mulch]

like if youre in your 30s saying stuff like this, your life is already ruined and u did it to yourself

[raven perch]

Hell yeah lol

[sleek oar]

Ooo flying scene would be dope if they did decide to do anything like that

[sleek oar]

Literally

Glad you also didnt give him the time of day

[frank mulch]

bad news btw i am out of caprisuns

i think this is where i give it up

[raven perch]

This marks the end of history

[frank mulch]

and perhaps the beginning of a new one...?

[mossy tangle]

back from gym, what did I miss

[dim kernel]

silksong tomorrow

[mossy tangle]

I'm aware and waiting with bated breath

you know what's better? I'm on PTO

[dim kernel]

🙏

[mossy tangle]

I'll be home until the 15th

[buoyant matrix]

the beginning of a new one will be tomorrow at 14pm utc

[raven perch]

You lucky punk

14pm is incorrect

[buoyant matrix]

2

[frank mulch]

14 pm>??

[buoyant matrix]

hades 2 has brainrotted me ok

I'm sorry

[raven perch]

Do not worry.. silksong will save you

22 hours…

[frank mulch]

you can time travel

[buoyant matrix]

no chronos has said that time travel is impossible

[hearty fog]

Only one direction.

[buoyant matrix]

and he's like the time guy so i trust him

[frank mulch]

sleep and magically the hours would be fewer

and not me....

[raven perch]

One Direction?

[buoyant matrix]

b-b-but muh sleep schedule 🥺

[frank mulch]

baby you light up my world like nobody else

[raven perch]

Like the critically acclaimed boyband from the late aughts early 10s

[frank mulch]

was that one direction or was that a different boyband

[raven perch]

I actually don’t know when they came to prominence

[mossy tangle]

11am for me

[hearty fog]

Jonas Brothers were definitely late aughts.

[raven perch]

No that was one direction

[buoyant matrix]

it's 17:30 for me, perfect time

[mossy tangle]

perfect, enough time to wake up, work out and come back home to immerse myself in Pharloom

[raven perch]

I’ve been waking up at 6am consistently I got this in the bag

[buoyant matrix]

"immerse myself in pharloom" brother the first 5 hours will be desperately figuring out the map

[frank mulch]

silksong preparations

[mossy tangle]

not inaccurate LMAO

[raven perch]

It wasn’t that badddd plus we’re probably getting the mapmaker not too far in

[buoyant matrix]

peak metroidvania experience honestly

the first few hours of a big game just figuring how everything works is usually fun

[raven perch]

It was kinda messed up that prime Crossroads pathing was to the left though

[mossy tangle]

last metroidvania I 100%'d was Guacamelee 2 I think

great game, themed around something I love very much, lucha libre

[hearty fog]

You ever watch Mucha Lucha?

[buoyant matrix]

yo i remember that

[frank mulch]

i must advocate for sundered here even tho its mid its not

[mossy tangle]

Oh religiously

[hearty fog]

It's a way of life.

[wide socket]

extended family affects things like scorch and blitz right?

[buoyant matrix]

ad now is NOT a good time to introduce me to new games ☹️

[buoyant matrix]

it should?

i haven't taken it in a while

[wide socket]

yeah just want to confirm

[raven perch]

I don’t know about scorch

[frank mulch]

its ok i love sundered so much but i think silksong is going to be everything it is and 500% more

at least

[buoyant matrix]

the truth will be revealed tomorrow

[raven perch]

Did you guys know that 7/10 games changed their release dates

[frank mulch]

and i didnt even get into hk i was just so drawn to it

i got 2 emails about games from my wishlist releasing today and i felt really bad

[buoyant matrix]

i got a youtube video recommended about all the games that delayed release because of skong 😂

[buoyant matrix]

poor devs

[raven perch]

Poor devs 😔

[frank mulch]

i think the next game for the foreseeable future devs will delay around is gta6

[raven perch]

Surely

[frank mulch]

so

[buoyant matrix]

tomorrow we skong, 12th of september we hade 💪

[raven perch]

Do you remember. The 12th night. Of September

[buoyant matrix]

surely 1.0 is shadow dropping in the leaked nintendo direct

[frank mulch]

skong may be indie but i think gta6 would have delayed for skong if it was scheduled for now and not next year

honest

[raven perch]

I’d like to think but I kinda doubt it.. something as big as gta6 probably would go head to head with skong

[hearty fog]

I got Sundered from the EGS a while back but I think I bounced off the art style.

[frank mulch]

rlly? that was the draw for me

[hearty fog]

I was thinking of playing HK today.

[hybrid gulch]

Maybe! GTA6 is so huge and highly anticipated, I think they could steamroll literally any other release without concern, honestly

[hearty fog]

Attack on Titan's art was a big reason I never got into it, personal taste works in weird ways.

[frank mulch]

ill be honest aot artstyle kinda sux. the eldritch hand drawn look of sundered drew me in and i got weirdly attached to it as a game that Vaguely has original lore as a backdrop

[raven perch]

Not to mention like, the company politics of it.. if a major release like gta6 with a billion dollars put into its production delayed its release for an indie project I imagine that’d complicate some of the investments

[buoyant matrix]

nah i think it'd just be another doom crossings or barbenheimmer

[frank mulch]

but yeah its totally up to personal taste

[raven perch]

True actually

If they released at the same time people would definitely just get both

[hearty fog]

Isn't there already an AK mod for Hollow Knight?

[raven perch]

Yeah it’s called hollow point

[buoyant matrix]

the audience for gta 6 and skong doesn't have a lot of overlap i think?

[raven perch]

Same could be said for doom/animal crossing and barbenheimer. And yet

[hybrid gulch]

Definitely possible, though that was kind of a random "lightning in a bottle" scenario. I wouldn't necessarily expect it to happen, even though it certainly could.

[frank mulch]

i think they probably did have a big overlap

[hearty fog]

Do GTA6 and Silksong have such opposing atmospheres that they could play off each other like Doom Crossing and Barbenheimer?

[frank mulch]

well. not BIG but you know enough to extend past one meme

[hearty fog]

I guess Hornet slow-walking through a street while gangsta rap plays is a funny image.

[frank mulch]

honestly? i dont know everything i saw in that gta6 trailer disgusted me

[hearty fog]

But it doesn't quite hit like Isabella saying "Rip and tear!"

[frank mulch]

ohhhh so we are STILL not past horrifyingly objectifying women in a huge game like this. okayyy 👍

[raven perch]

I mean I think the existence of the Hollow Point mod demonstrates there’s meme potential

[raven perch]

Ahh but don’t you see, that’s the appeal of it

[hearty fog]

At least Saint's Row has the self-awareness to say "This is so dumb," at itself.

[frank mulch]

i love women as much as the next guy but it made me retch. i dont even know if i want to watch it again to see if i was wrong and maybe its not that bad

[hybrid gulch]

GTA doesn't come out and say it...but it's evidenced in pretty much all of the absurd scenarios that play out

[buoyant matrix]

gta is supposed to be a parody of modern america

at least that was gta v

[frank mulch]

it does not need to say it, the protag's girlfriend first person lapdance in a tiny sparkling dress or whatever is enough

maybe, as sequels tend to do, they are missing the point

[raven perch]

“Satire requires clarity” and so on

[hybrid gulch]

GTA doesn't lack self awareness, but some people playing it may not always understand what it's poking fun at. Saints Row just removes that ambiguity, but they are both absurd satires and no one should take either seriously

[frank mulch]

its also less abt the satire and also how its presented

if that makes sense

[hybrid gulch]

hmm maybe? can you elaborate?

[limpid oar]

Good evening chat

[raven perch]

If your satire of something is just “doing the thing” it’s not effective satire

[frank mulch]

if sr lets me play as a woman running around naked with a censor bar wielding ridiculous weapons, i dont think its as bad as whatever gta has going on

[raven perch]

If you’re satirizing misogyny by being misogynistic that’s not effective satire

[frank mulch]

also i remember being excited along everyone else being excited for gta5 and i was like why the hell would they rerelease it on steam???

only to find out. it has been 10 years

[hybrid gulch]

So you feel that when they make it obvious, like in Saints Row or similar, it's ok because we know they aren't trying to hide anything? Or am I misunderstanding?

[hearty fog]

There's almost no irony in GTA's presentation. We know from a Doylist perspective and GTA's history that GTA's content is insane and ridiculous, as in actively inviting ridicule. But someone completely unfamiliar with GTA is more likely to see that 6 trailer AD mentioned and think "Oh, this game just hates women."

[limpid oar]

I'm probably gonna get gta6 whenever it goes on sale, for me to pay full price for a AAA game it has to be special to me in some way

[frank mulch]

not sure. maybe bc in sr its so ridiculous it becomes more funny than sexy. its straighter in gta

but, the last time i rlly looked at/played sr was on a friends ps3 or something dont take my word for it

[limpid oar]

Ps3 graphics probably help with the lack of sexiness

[raven perch]

I’ve never played nor watched anything from either sr or gta

[frank mulch]

how about monster factory

[raven perch]

Nope

The only monster factory vid I watched is like. The first bit with the final pam

[frank mulch]

i havent played most of what they monsterified but it was hilarious nonetheless

final pam definitely hit it big but there are some other gems

fo3 was pretty good

[empty abyss]

the characters needa popout the screen for me to pay full price

[hybrid gulch]

So have you never paid full price then? lol

[empty abyss]

assuming I have paid at all

[hearty fog]

I told myself I'd never buy a $70 video game and then they announced Kirby Air Riders for the Switch 2.

[hybrid gulch]

I mean, I asked so I'm not really assuming anything lol

[robust basin]

Well yeah they are both immature, in different ways. Both kind of sad though

[empty abyss]

eh nvm. No I havent paid full price for anygame game actually

[frank mulch]

i paid full price for overwatch and it seems that i am still paying the price

[raven perch]

Who care if those assholes are sad 😔

I mean I do care about Nemesis being sad insofar as she’s like a sad wet dog to me

[frank mulch]

i also preordered nier replicant and.... pyre 😏

[raven perch]

But Thanatos can go sniff a butt

[limpid oar]

I like Nem, she can be as mean and whiny as she wants 😍

[raven perch]

I paid full price for deltarune and hades 2 and will pay full price for silksong but that’s all (for now)

[frank mulch]

for now 🕵️

[hearty fog]

"Oh, hey, Transistor. From the studio that made Bastion, I liked that. It's cheap, I'll buy it on release."

12 hours after I first launched Transistor: "I am buying everything they make forever the instant they will take my money."

[limpid oar]

Oh yeah h2 i bought on day 1 of EA

[pallid cradle]

I mean, full price for Silksong is a 70% off sale for most games these days.

[hearty fog]

I'm actually flabbergasted they're releasing it for $20.

[raven perch]

I’ve heard people say that it’ll be a bit bad for the indie economy in that now other games pricing points will have to take that into account

[pallid cradle]

I'm not. Hollow Knight is what? $15? For the base game plus all the dlc because they were all free updates.

Apparently inflation was only $5 for TC

[empty abyss]

gods work

[raven perch]

I like that Nem is Mean I just don’t like that she’s Wrong . Is kinda my issue. If you’re gonna be mean at least be smart about it

[empty abyss]

how good is Hollow Knight?

[limpid oar]

33.3% inflation sounds about right

[raven perch]

amazing

[hearty fog]

On a scale from 1 to "buy it with your money," you should buy it with your money.

[empty abyss]

we are in a SGG server so you defly know ball

[limpid oar]

A girl can have flaws, it's okay

[raven perch]

I mean yeah obviously but I respect her less for it

[hearty fog]

A girl can have flaws and they can be dealbreakers.

That's okay.

[frank mulch]

everything is so sucks now 😍 i had a dream about someone telling me they enjoyed working at a certain indie Publisher and that i would be a great fit and i woke up in cold sweat

[pallid cradle]

I like Nem... More than I probably should.

[empty abyss]

I defly stop minding whatever she said after the first couple of interactions. She was just too mean.

[frank mulch]

shes mean but i dont think shes supposed to be unlikeable

[hybrid gulch]

Aren't all of these side characters functionally driven by pure instinct? Is she wrong or is she just entirely at the mercy of her nature?

[raven perch]

I love that Nem is a huge asshole but I don’t respect her, she’s a hypocrite who hardly has anything good to say about anyone

[raven perch]

Naw she’s wrong

Nem’s idea of justice and retribution is Bad

[hearty fog]

Nemesis hides behind her nature as Retribution Incarnate.

The gods are capable of changing, Hades changed.

[mossy tangle]

same thing could be said about Eris. Can she really help being that chaotic if she's Strife itself?

[raven perch]

I mean maybe not but you can at least be an adult about it. Sniff

[limpid oar]

Before romance, she's got to be. Maybe I'm taking her name too literally but she's literally our in-game nemesis who steals rooms, buys from shops and can challenge us mid-run

[mossy tangle]

Absolutely, but in the game's context, she cannot help it

[raven perch]

Like Hypnos can’t help but be sleepy, sure! That’s something innate. But he’s doing his best, using his energy as effectively as he can, and cares about other people

[raven perch]

She can help it though

[hearty fog]

All the character work in H1 I think is supposed to be highlighted by so many gods in H2 just really not putting in the effort.

[raven perch]

As we see with others, their incarnations are innate but they’re not inescapable. I do not subscribe to the essentialist idea of incarnations

[mossy tangle]

Hades is different, though. He wasn't born a god of the dead. His title was bestowed upon him

[hearty fog]

Being "God of the Dead" doesn't hold a connotation of being an unreasonable abusive father, though.

[pallid cradle]

I still don't know how Icarus is a popular character in this server.

[hybrid gulch]

I'm not exactly disagreeing with you but Nemesis by her very nature is all about punishment and retribution. These qualities wouldn't make for very kind individuals

[mossy tangle]

Absolutely. And that's what the first game is all about, Hades seeing the error of how he's treated Zagreus

[raven perch]

But she doesn’t punish who she should be and she does punish who she shouldn’t be

[raven perch]

Is cuz he’s good 👍

[mossy tangle]

Icarus is a good boy, what are you talking about

[frank mulch]

if only everyone could 🙏 😌

[hybrid gulch]

I'm wondering if I've missed some text or something. Who is she not punishing that she should be?

[raven perch]

The Olympians?

[hybrid gulch]

How she gonna do that?

[mossy tangle]

She can't set foot outside the cthonic realm

[raven perch]

She’s trying to take down Chronos who is eons older than they are and more powerful, if she has the balls for that she has the balls to fight the Olympians

[raven perch]

Incorrect, Nemesis is actually supposed to be on the surface right now. She’s just not

[hearty fog]

I don't think she's tied to the UW like that, Thanatos isn't.

[mossy tangle]

Hm, I stand corrected then.

[pallid cradle]

His boons are mid and he comes off as an unconfident dude

[raven perch]

Before the war Nemesis was on the surface targeting down people who she believes deserve retribution. She’s just not doing it right now for reasons

[raven perch]

He has confidence in other regards, for example he thinks his wings are better than the ones his father made

[hearty fog]

Well, the first greatest endeavor of his life ended in an ignoble death, and then his girlfriend blew up her arm trying to help out with that.

[raven perch]

He was like 13 when he died

Maybe younger

[pallid cradle]

I'm just saying, Nemesis was talking a big game about being better than Mel but Mel has gotten a lot of clears on varying fear levels before she got one.

[hearty fog]

Do mortal shades age after they've died?

[hybrid gulch]

Nemesis isn't all knowing or all powerful though. I don't know how exactly she determines who is guilty or deserving of punishment, but she is bound by her nature like everyone else in the mythology (at least to an extent) and Chronos is certainly a very obvious choice in the context of the game for her to go after

[rapid osprey]

they dont according to a eurydice dialog in the first game

[raven perch]

I sure hope so! There’s a Eurydice dialogue about choosing which age you want to spend your afterlife as but I refuse to believe Icarus didn’t age

[urban topaz]

Nerd twink

[raven perch]

Because the idea that he’s developmentally a child is really cussing gross

[hybrid gulch]

To be fair, they ARE better haha

[pallid cradle]

Valid

[raven perch]

He’s not a twink!!!

[rapid osprey]

I hope icarus is not a kid bc of all the people thirsting over him

[raven perch]

Him and Mel literally have sex I sure Hope he’s not a kid

[urban topaz]

He isn't a kid

I mean, why somebody think that

[rapid osprey]

bc he died as a kid

[hybrid gulch]

from a legal standpoint, SGG is not going to have sexual relationships depicted in the game between an adult and a child. Icarus doesn't come across as a kid at all so I don't think it's worth debating

[raven perch]

Because he died as a child and it’s not clear whether shades can age

[frank mulch]

i agree with the sentiment so much. can you edit out tha dyno word so i can keep the message up

[raven perch]

It’s worth debating insofar as I think the worldbuilding in this game is kinda bad

[frank mulch]

thaaaaanks

[hybrid gulch]

gasp

I disagree, but maybe I'm just easy to please 🤣

[urban topaz]

In Hades lore did Icarus died as a kid?

[raven perch]

It’s baddd man it’s crap

[raven perch]

You can see in his arcana card he was a child + he refers to his death as happening “when he was a kid”

[rapid osprey]

idk I like it

[raven perch]

I hate the shades thing it’s awful

The idea that some shades are just inherently “better” is disgusting to me

[hybrid gulch]

Icarus doesn't sound like a kid. He doesn't talk like a kid. He doesn't look like a kid. The game doesn't have to spoon feed us everything, he's not a kid, good lord

[urban topaz]

Hmm, dunno, maybe he wasn’t being literal

[rapid osprey]

surely they can just use witchcraft as an explaination to everything

[urban topaz]

Maybe with kid he meant naive or something

[raven perch]

He may not be a kid appearance wise, but if he was a kid when he died and just chose to Look like an adult that’d be weird! And that’s so far the established lore of the game

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238735494062542900/1410697624029499564/latest.png?ex=68b9364b&is=68b7e4cb&hm=5c7f82d2a489244d5898874f5245540ba05930a5af595cd13b1d42e2f7b9320b& this is what he looked like when he died

[rapid osprey]

they aren't tho? what about the shades that end up in tartarus?

[raven perch]

Upper right corner obviously not daedalus

[raven perch]

That’s a matter of actions, I’m talking about green shades vs corporeal shades

[frank mulch]

put up your thumbs thats right

[urban topaz]

Uhh

[frank mulch]

for a moment i thought i was wrong i got scared

[raven perch]

I saw it immediately after I sent it 😔

[frank mulch]

i did in fact put up my thumbs

[rapid osprey]

oh so the ones who have a distinct appearance? I thought it was established that those who accomplished notable deeds in life can keep their form

[raven perch]

Nope, if that was the case Dora would be whole and Odysseus’ crew members would be whole

No what’s established is that it’s just a matter of strength

[rapid osprey]

really? I swear there was a dialog somewhere about that

[hybrid gulch]

Some humans have such incredible willpower that they persist in their own form, but something something will of the fates or whatever, I mean it's Greek mythology, it's not really supposed to feel comfortable all the time

[wide socket]

can i attack charybdis' red bullets to make them dissapear?

[raven perch]

I’ve never tried it but I think sometimes

I think if you dash into them the iframes remove the projectile

[wide socket]

was wondering how to dodge them

[hybrid gulch]

There was definitely a dialogue in the game at one point where Mel asks about shades that maintain their physical appearance

[raven perch]

Yeah it’s in a dialogue with Icarus

[hybrid gulch]

ah the boy wonder 🤣

[median sundial]

I’m seeing a lot of different answers does anyone know how to actually unlock the auto collect resources incantation

[raven perch]

I’ll send it in once my computer stops dying on me

[raven perch]

Gotta collect all resources from every biome + upgrade all your familiars to the max

[hybrid gulch]

STOPS?! Whatchu got goin on other there that your computer is dying repeatedly? 👀

[rapid osprey]

I guess its just another example of the greek world being unfair to mortals. Like how hades thinks the mortal concept of a "hero" is stupid and shouldn't be the reason someone ends up in elysium, since they killed so many others in their living days

[median sundial]

Thanks

[raven perch]

Like 40 chrome tabs

[hybrid gulch]

that will do it, lol

[raven perch]

It used to be worse!

[urban topaz]

Well, I genuinely think that SGG wouldn’t sexualize a child, so maybe we can take Icarus quotes about a metaphor about him being naive at his death, and the art on the Arcana card can be something more conceptual than literal

[hybrid gulch]

I realize there probably can't be a good answer here...but what do you need 40 tabs open at once for?

[raven perch]

 "I don't see what's to be ashamed of. I've known Shades such as you, and Odysseus... spirits strong enough to hold their form well beyond death. You're close enough to gods!" ```

They wouldn't do it on purpose but they *do* sexualize your cousin and make you fall in love with your foster brother

[raven perch]

work and class and also art

[thorny adder]

Does the arcana image of Icarus have ti be when he dies though?

[raven perch]

not necessarily but considering he's upside down with feathers I imagine it's meant to be a representation of his fall

[hybrid gulch]

oh yeah I mean I can open 40 tabs relevant to my life but I meant why do you need them all open at once, to the point that your computer is dying? lol

[raven perch]

if I close them I will forget them 😔

[thorny adder]

It could just represent him looking up to Daedalus i.e. in the shadow of his father

[raven perch]

he's looking down tho

And again, Icarus himself refers to his death as him being a kid when it happened

[rapid osprey]

I mean, Icarus was working with them in the crossroads at one point right? what if they used some incantation to age him up? best explaination

[raven perch]

Another explanation is that the fall of the House made it so he could age. no it's not textual but it's the best we got

[thorny adder]

Idk then. The wings he has right now seem way too large for a child, and no, him working on them after death does not explain the size difference

[rapid osprey]

yeah maybe

[raven perch]

the point is that shades can choose what they look like and what age they are after death. him dying as a child but choosing to look like an adult is the issue here

Obviously he looks like an adult in the game

[rapid osprey]

Silksong tomorrow! (feels incredibly surreal saying it unironically)

[raven perch]

21 hours and 9 minutes

[thorny adder]

He looks like a teenager to me, which is kind of messed up now that I think about it

[hybrid gulch]

Mel and Icarus have known each other for a long time. Even if he was a kid when he died, he has aged enough to have the emotional maturity of an adult. He got his adult physical form from the ritual that Mel performed

[raven perch]

he's a young adult

[rapid osprey]

its gonna drop while I'm in class

[raven perch]

the ritual failed first of all so that's not what happened

[hybrid gulch]

the ritual cost her arm but did it fail?

[raven perch]

secondly the whole point of contention is about whether or not he was able to age mentally 😭 if he aged mentally then there's no problem

[raven perch]

the point of the ritutal was to bring him back to life. he's not back to life after the ritual and so it failed

[acoustic ruin]

but he regained his conciousness as a shade after the ritual

[raven perch]

what? no

[hybrid gulch]

I don't think there IS a point of contention, lol. It's just this weird fixation on him dying as a kid, which just isn't relevant to anything. He's not a kid now, and that's made very clear in every meaningful way.

The point of the ritual was to restore his life but I thought that even though it failed at that goal, he ultimately got his form back as a result

[raven perch]

he didn't get his form back he always had his form

that's the point of that conversation I sent above 😭

[acoustic ruin]

he says so himself doesnt he? he says that after the ritual he was more sure of his former self

[raven perch]

see this is what I mean about the worldbuilding it's confusing and not great

[raven perch]

no he doesn't

[robust basin]

NOOO!!! NOT NIER REPLICANT! It doesn't hold a candle to Nier automata! Highly not recommended

[meager garden]

(nier replicant was really good)

[hybrid gulch]

I missed that because I was focused on your 40 chrome tabs when you sent it 🤣 but that doesn't explicitly say he always had his form

[thorny adder]

Splitting hairs about someone that looks like an adult, acts like an adult, and has been dead for way longer than an adult lives is unproductive at this point

[acoustic ruin]

i didnt mean after the potion, i meant after the ritual mel did where she lost her arm

[thorny adder]

If it quacks like a duck…

[hybrid gulch]

It was unproductive to begin with but here we are...

[rapid osprey]

its a much more fun world if you go off of vibes instead of overthinking the lore. Its a roguelite after all, the gameplay is the main focus

[raven perch]

no he doesn't say that lol

he says that after she lost her arm he ran away, and in running away he had to figure things out for himself. nothing to do with the ritual

[meager garden]

I thought the story was the thing that sold everyone on Hades

[rapid osprey]

its a bonus. gameplay was the real hook

[raven perch]

There are other roguelites, the thing that makes Hades unique is the visual novel aspect of it

It depends on the person but yeah I do think the primary draw for general audiences was the story and characters

[meager garden]

like a roguelike that sold me on gameplay was like, Nuclear Throne, or Slay the spire

[frank mulch]

noooo i absolutely disagree its my favorite of the two 💔 i cant tell if this is sarcasm

[rapid osprey]

maybe I'm the odd one out then lol. I just play this game to make builds and look at pretty faces

[meager garden]

Hades was definitely about the art and the story and being the next game by supergiant who do those things good

the story is also the reason why it also broke out of the traditional roguelike crowd I think, you're constantly fed dialogue to encourage you to keep playing and seeing more

[hybrid gulch]

Hades absolutely stands out from other roguelites due to the storytelling, in addition to the satisfying run building which is another huge draw. Most roguelites are incredibly light on story

[acoustic ruin]

cough cough isaac cough cough

[rapid osprey]

did hades 1 not have any plot holes like the shades thing then?

[meager garden]

in most other games you don't get anything except the temptation to try again and see the rng
in hades you get to hear Hypnos say something new and snarky

[rapid osprey]

I cant recall

[hybrid gulch]

Most people use the term "plot hole" incorrectly to begin with. It's not a plot hole just because something isn't clear, or doesn't make sense to some people. It's a plot hole if it directly contradicts something else in the game

[raven perch]

Not plotholes so much as like. things were either unexplained or received some arguably unsatisfying explanations . but nothing was outright confusing like this

[raven perch]

The thing about shades and gods not being able to touch each other is definitely a plot hole because Zagreus and Theseus throw hands all the time

If you interpret it as "shades and gods can't feel each other" then that's not necessarily a plot hole but it's still contentious

[hybrid gulch]

Sorry not sure what you're referring to - there's a line somewhere about gods and shades not being able to touch each other? Even the ones who maintain their form?

[raven perch]

Yeah that's the whole reason Mel did the spell, she wants Icarus to feel things like the spray of the seas. and her

[hybrid gulch]

she's not referring to physical touch. Objects can collide, but have no feelings

[acoustic ruin]

a sense of touch isnt the same as "touching" tho

[hybrid gulch]

Exactly

[meager garden]

theseus definitely touched me a lot in hades though

with his stupid spear and his stupid gun

[raven perch]

That's kinda what I'm saying, it's contentious if it's just a matter of "feeling" or actually being able to physically interact. Icarus saying "shades and goddesses don't mix" as a reason for why he can't fly her up to Olympus implies that he can't hold her

[hybrid gulch]

All worth it for that one fan though

[hybrid gulch]

I think you've got your interpretation of things (like all of us) and that's part of what makes stories fun, when we can all walk away with different interpretations. Personally I think you're taking too literal of an approach

[raven perch]

Icarus says this: "Can hardly feel this bottle... just its weight. Though I still have fond memories to fill the gaps." in reference to a bottle of nectar

So he can feel the weight of things

[acoustic ruin]

it could also mean that if the other gods see him carry mel they will smite the guy, because he is a lowly shade and its more in a political sense

[raven perch]

Not quite, the gods are aware of him flying around Olympus and he's allowed to land on the mountain + if he was helping mel they'd likely let him

[acoustic ruin]

but is he allowed to touch a god? thats the question, from an olympian standpoint

[hybrid gulch]

Again, this just further supports that shades (or at least some shades) can physically interact with things, they just don't have any feeling. They don't have the sensation of touch

[raven perch]

Yes, if they let you? Persephone's father was a mortal remember

[raven perch]

Yup that's why I say it's contentious, the evidence is confusing

what;s also weird is that Icarus can feel warmth and Dora can't, but that's another issue

[hybrid gulch]

We're talking about mythology though. Maybe I'm in the minority but I just don't expect everything to line up perfectly

[acoustic ruin]

Maybe it also differs in how good the shade can maintain their form? so if you have a lesser "image" of yourself you might only feel weight, others might also have a all 5 senses

[raven perch]

this isn't myth this is a written game with its own worldbuilding

usually I don't care but if it's gonna be such an important part of his arc I'd like it to be a bit clearer, is all

[raven perch]

Then why does Patroclus have a form? Pat is depressed and hates everything

[hybrid gulch]

It's a game where the world building is based entirely on mythology, that's just splitting hairs

[raven perch]

not entirely on mythology, they make up their own stuff occasionally. like Perse's mortal father

[acoustic ruin]

the who now ? (im bad with names most of the time)

[raven perch]

Achilles' husband from H1. the one who gave you death defiance refills

[limpid oar]

Oh if you haven't played a whole lot of h1 story I think his name shows as question marks for a little while

[hybrid gulch]

interpretations, which mythology has loads of. Like yes they can make up some things but the core mythology is still there, and the point isn't whether they stick to some script perfectly, it's that the game's story is rooted in Greek mythology and we shouldn't expect everything to be perfectly laid out. It may not all seem consistent but in my view, that's just how mythology is

[acoustic ruin]

ahhh that guy, but being depressed doesnt mean you dont have a good "sense of self" or something like that, might also be an affect of elysium and the heros are that famous so their form is kept for them

[acoustic ruin]

nono i did play h1 enough, just didnt do the banquet of the gods

[hybrid gulch]

It's worth considering that even the characters we speak with aren't all knowing and they can be completely wrong

So their own interpretation (in game) of why they maintain their form may not be reliable

[raven perch]

you need to open the codex I think

I mean it could be! There's no reason why not

Like ultimately I care about this more than you do and that's fine but I don't think I'm in the wrong for being confused and unhappy with that confusion

[elfin heron]

How do i start upgrading weapons in h2

[raven perch]

gotta unlock all the weapons I think + there should be an incantation/conversation about it

[hybrid gulch]

Sorry I probably come across more intense than I intend - seriously no offense intended on my part. You're well within your rights to ponder these things, and I didn't mean to suggest you're wrong for being confused

[robust basin]

WHAT? I played replicant after automata and it didn't live up to the standard automata set!
Ofc I now know it was the remake of an older game but I was not expecting this

[meager garden]

wait you thought it was a sequel?

I think I enjoyed replicant a lot more because my expectations were lowered a bit by automata lol

[limpid oar]

I was considering playing replicant after automata but it just seems too dated based on everything about it I've seen online

[frank mulch]

it is a faithful remakester of a 2010 game

[meager garden]

it doesn't have old man 🙁

I still find it so goddamn funny that they bothered to make 2 different versions of nier

[frank mulch]

but it has cool additional content that only originally made it as short stories. like an entire other ending and an entire other boss

[limpid oar]

yeah that's the reason why it doesn't appeal to me, I can't play anything older than GTA 5 😭

[meager garden]

bruh

[frank mulch]

well theyre also vastly different so

[neat frigate]

do boons/effects that boost cast damage also boost things like prominence flare and meat grinder or just the cast itself

[raven perch]

just the cast itself

prom flare and meatgrinder are technically different things I believe

[neat frigate]

damn

storm ring gets boosted though right?

[robust basin]

No replicant is a remake of the first Nier 66636383847 (random number) that never left Japan iirc

[raven perch]

geyser spout is though afaik

[raven perch]

not sure! I think storm ring is lightning damage?

[meager garden]

yeah I know that
It's just that I, amongst most people, played replicant after automata
I heard that automata was a masterpiece but I always thought it just a good, very odd, and very memorable game

replicant is basically that

[hybrid gulch]

I was curious so I looked and some Reddit post said that the Nier story starts with Drakengard 3, then Drakengard 1, then Replicant, then Automata 😮

[meager garden]

that's what I heard too but I never bothered to go back to drakengard to see what's up
I think the nier games are all good starting points

like you really don't need to play replicant to play automata

it just adds some nice background and like "oh so that's what's going on"

[neon isle]

nier automata has the most fire intro

i havent finished it but i opened it and went "yeah im going to like this game"

[meager garden]

I had a weird experience with the intro because I started with hard mode lol

[hybrid gulch]

to this day I have yet to finish Automata. I probably bought it a few years ago, played it and got distracted (as I am prone to do with games) and haven't circled back yet

[meager garden]

it's quite good I think

I'm still not entirely sure about how I feel on it to this day lol

[hybrid gulch]

I enjoyed what I played, for sure. I don't recall why I stopped playing but tbh most of the time it's as simple as "some other game caught my interest"

I mean, I played the crap out of Hades 1 but I stopped playing at some point before getting the "true" ending, then I finally went back and realized I had SO MUCH left to do (but I did actually complete it that time)

[frank mulch]

i like replicant better but that doesnt necessarily mean its better. maybe? not sure

i like drakengard and it is not better. it is in fact worse.

[hearty fog]

My favorite detail of the opening, among a bevy of incredible choices, is the date. 10,000 years after WW2.

[frank mulch]

drakengard 3 gets good after the nth crude and/or vulgar joke, i promise
i wish it had just a little less of that. it's otherwise a very solid concept and i like the characters a lot. however revisiting it i was like... ah.... my memory really omitted how dire this is

[lyric kindle]

Anyone have any idea why Moros won't grant me the hidden aspect?Im pretty sure I meet the requirements

[hybrid gulch]

Did you actually craft whatever the last weapon unlocked was? I was stuck on a hidden aspect before I realized I had never actually crafted the 3rd weapon, so even though I technically "unlocked it", the game didn't recognize it until I went to the center of the weapon area and selected it. As soon as I did that, the next time I spoke with the relevant person, they gave me the waking phrase

[lyric kindle]

Yeah it's crafted and even ranked up once

[hybrid gulch]

The requirements are the same for all hidden aspects, I think (someone correct me please if I'm wrong). You need to have unlocked all other aspects (for that weapon) and actually "crafted", you need at least one aspect for that weapon at rank 5, and then you just keep talking to the relevant waking phrase giver

[buoyant matrix]

you need to have three torch aspects unlocked and one at max level

[lyric kindle]

I have two aspects Rank V and I've done a bajillion runs and talked to him every time and I think I've exhausted his dialogue for now

[buoyant matrix]

this is the only requirement

[buoyant matrix]

mel torch needs to be upgraded at least once, eos and moros have to be unlocked, any of the aspects have to be maxed

afterwards just keep talking to moros

you may be getting bad rng

[lyric kindle]

Probably

[hybrid gulch]

Go take a pic of your weapon area with the torches pulled up, let us see

[lyric kindle]

I'm playing on steam deck gimme a few

Where do I send it?

[hybrid gulch]

no worries, just thinking maybe something will stand out. In my case, it was the axe hidden aspect and I was CERTAIN I had done all the requirements, but literally as soon as I realized I hadn't actually crafted the rank 1 Charon axe, I did that and literally the next run, I got the phrase

hm maybe pics don't work here, not sure lol. You can DM it to me if you want and I'll see if anything stands out

[lyric kindle]

I think it's just terrible rng idk

[hybrid gulch]

yeah could be. I don't think they necessarily intended for people to meet all the requirements and still struggle to unlock the hidden aspects though, but I can't really say with certainty that it's not bad RNG. That just seems like exceptionally bad luck if you've really done as many runs as you say (which I assume is true)

[buoyant matrix]

@tribal girder how are you silking your song now? there's still 20 hours left. liar 😠

[lyric kindle]

I can't exactly remember when I did everything but it's been more than maybe 20 runs I guess?

[robust basin]

I made the same mistake 😭

[lyric kindle]

It's not like I unlocked everything a run ago and are now impatiently waiting for the phrase I've gone up and down a dozen times waiting for this phrase

[hybrid gulch]

from the pic, I think everything looks good. What's your relationship with Moros at?

[robust basin]

Can you perhaps tell me why you like it better?

[lyric kindle]

4 hearts away from max

[hybrid gulch]

I'm just grasping at straws, I don't actually know if relationship is a factor but maybe keep giving him gifts

[lyric kindle]

Lol will do

[hybrid gulch]

worst case scenario, your relationship with him grows 😄

[devout abyss]

20 hours remain

[oak ivy]

the longest 20 hours of our lives 😔

[devout abyss]

u dont got hobbies or nothing

[oak ivy]

no wth is a hobby

[devout abyss]

bbby

have yall seen the marvel rivals trailer

[oak ivy]

nope

[tribal girder]

There's a lot of pre release rituals to do

[oak ivy]

I dont like online games 😔

[devout abyss]

every game is online

how else would you download it

[oak ivy]

you buy a disc!

[orchid acorn]

and the disc usually requires a download these days

[devout abyss]

they made daredevil chinese

[orchid acorn]

gold disc copies tend to be buggy af

if there even is a full game on it in the first place

[devout abyss]

they also made sephiroth a buff lady

[oak ivy]

i dont have space for other games and media in my mind right now, I'm tying to empty it all so I can fully immerse in silksong 🙏

[quaint pumice]

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-AVrfa9u60I3sML13-dItDZw-t1080x1080.jpg

[rapid osprey]

SILKSONG TOMORROW!!!!!

[frank mulch]

idk i think its accentuated by automata and automata is accentuated by it in turn. i like the characters and emotional moments more, because i know what comes after. devola and popola remain the best characters ever since their conceptualization as a weapon story named after yoko taro's friend's dogs

[rapid osprey]

for real this time

[oak ivy]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🔥

[neat frigate]

today will probably be my last day playing hades for a while

[rapid osprey]

I finished outer wilds base game just in time. I'll save echoes of the eye for after skong bc I dont wanna rush it

[oak ivy]

omg!! how did you find the ending?

[frank mulch]

||USE SPOILERS PLEASE||

[oak ivy]

||you weren't stuck on any puzzles? usually the southern observatory one takes people a good bit of time to figure out... or the quantum moon stuff... 😭||

[frank mulch]

and then i click on it anyway..... what a fool i am........
anyway the above is spoilers for the outer wilds

[rapid osprey]

southern observatory took me a solid 5 hours lol. I was just super fixated on not looking up any solutions which is why the game took me so long

[frank mulch]

I DIDNT read it i realized and clicked away

[oak ivy]

you should play it too, it's one of my fav games of all time!!

[rapid osprey]

10/10 game honestly

[oak ivy]

I told you I could give you vague hints or something 😭

[frank mulch]

i know.... and it has been sitting in my library for so long :)

[oak ivy]

I TOLD YOU!!! ||that ending sequence is just so perfect||

and all the different planets are sooo freaking cool

[rapid osprey]

god I fking loved the ending bit

[oak ivy]

||giants deep, dark bramble, a freaking black hole at the centre of brittle hollow?????||

[oak ivy]

||just to make sure, you did meet Solanum, right?||

[rapid osprey]

yes

[oak ivy]

||that bit gave me the biggest chills in my entire life hahaha... just seeing AN ACTUAL ALIVE NOMAI STANDING THERE?????||

[crude dragon]

This is the first time I've seen people actually discuss Outer Wilds, usually they use Fight Club rules about it

[buoyant matrix]

||woah what an interesting conversation||

[oak ivy]

that's true, the game is EXTREMELY spoiler heavy and knowing any spoilers can mess up your playthrough

[buoyant matrix]

how long is outer wilds?

[oak ivy]

dont look at it if you havent palyed the game!!

[oak ivy]

like about 25+ hours

[frank mulch]

fight club mentioned?

[crude dragon]

No

[oak ivy]

with the dlc it'll be up to 50 hours tbh

[crude dragon]

First rule

[frank mulch]

well what about the third

[oak ivy]

there are no rules!

[buoyant matrix]

the third rule of the fight club is: have fun and be yourself!

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/icarus-hades-hades-2-sparkle-on-gif-10949792293481077351

[buoyant matrix]

hey it's actually Wednesday this time!

[rapid osprey]

one of my favorite moments in the game was trying to land on brittle hollow when I was still not super comfortable with the controls lol. It took me so long to get used to the space ship controls

[dusky mountain]

guys

[dusky mountain]

is beach ball busted?

[crude dragon]

It's one of the best Duos in the game, yes

[rapid osprey]

beach ball S tier

[oak ivy]

in real life?

[dusky mountain]

i just beat unrivaled typhoon

[oak ivy]

they're pretty cool in real life yeah

[frank mulch]

in transistor

[dusky mountain]

and beach ball did most damage of my stuff

[crude dragon]

It also used to be even more crazy, because Supay would scale its damage up

[dusky mountain]

look at that damage #h2-victory-boasting message

[oak ivy]

or in Pyre? replace the basketball thing with a beach ball?

[rapid osprey]

there's beach balls in terraria too and they are some of the most overpowered and broken things in the game

[frank mulch]

but it is not a BEACH ball........

[oak ivy]

it's close enough!

[dusky mountain]

sheeeesh

[oak ivy]

||btw @rapid osprey Idk if you were terrified or freaked out a lot during your Outer Wilds playthrough but I will let you know right now that Echoes of the Eye is like 20x scarier, it's basically a horror game haha||

[rapid osprey]

btw I didn't play EotE yet but I did listen to the soundtrack and its so good

[dusky mountain]

you should

[rapid osprey]

oh...

[rapid osprey]

after skong. I dont wanna rush it

[oak ivy]

the soundtrack is sooo good in this game I love it 😭
having everyone play Travellers together was so great ❤️

[dusky mountain]

OW and EotE are both one of the best games that exist

[oak ivy]

Absolutely agree

[frank mulch]

didnt know overwatch was that beloved

[dusky mountain]

man i hated those horror-esque scenes so much but loved everything else xD

[frank mulch]

[rapid osprey]

agree tbh. Outer wilds was easily a top 10 game oat for me

[oak ivy]

probably in my top 5 fav games I've ever played! next to like Deltarune, Elden Ring and Silksong (yes i'm that confident silksong will be that good!)

[dusky mountain]

outer wilds is a one time only unique experience

[frank mulch]

you know what else is a one time only unique experience

the beginners guide. and its like 3 hours. play now

[dusky mountain]

i often reminiscance over that game, and am sad i cant ever experience it again

[oak ivy]

I played Stanley Parable, it's by the same developer, right? it wasnt bad!

[mossy shuttle]

Have you played the tea brewing game he made?

[oak ivy]

same 💔 it's a shame you can only play it once...

[rapid osprey]

I love puzzle games so much but the only downside to them is that you can't experience them again

[oak ivy]

nope 😔

[frank mulch]

its not really like the stanley parable, but its something unforgettable

[urban topaz]

My top is: Hades, RDR2, Sekiro, Portal 2 and Pokemon

[frank mulch]

i tear up just thinking about it

[mossy shuttle]

Tunic my beloved 💔

[rapid osprey]

which pokemon?

[oak ivy]

Tunic and Blue Prince are up there too ✊ 😔

[urban topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/my-mom-muscle-man-meme-gif-24842373

[frank mulch]

its not a huge epic 100 hours game but in 3 hours it managed to be one of the games i really think are genuinely a must-play for every person ever

[oak ivy]

okay I'll add it to my "play soon" backlog

[rapid osprey]

all this talk of "time" reminds me of someone...

[oak ivy]

noooooo

[rapid osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1199416824362713151/1412573778856120340/chronos-did-someone-say-time.gif

[urban topaz]

Hard to choose, but probably one of Pokemon X/Y, Black/White and Soul Silver

[mossy shuttle]

Some day I’ll play BP some more, I’m so tempted to just watch the guide videos tho

[buoyant matrix]

can you cut only his lips and put them on chronos instead of his whole lower face?

[mossy shuttle]

Any void stranger fans in chat 😩

[oak ivy]

Blue Prince definitely scratched the same itch that Outer Wilds did for me, it's extremely good and does the same sort of stuff extremely well

[rapid osprey]

I tried that and it looked significantly less goofy

[quaint pumice]

YIIK solos unfortunately

[urban topaz]

Btw I hope that Hades 2 will join my top eventually

[oak ivy]

where is your Promewtheus huh? we're still waiting

cant believe we got Silksong before Pizza's finished Promewtheus 😔

[frank mulch]

they got catboys in here?

[mossy shuttle]

I’ve played a decent bit but I’ve only done like two of the ||sanctum puzzles||

[rapid osprey]

its lowkey already in my top. I love roguelites and hades 2 is the best one I have ever played by a good margin

[quaint pumice]

mewgenics releases in february

[oak ivy]

oh okay so you've gotten pretty far already on your own!! yeah some of these super endgame puzzles can be very tedious 😔

I did start looking up some stuff at around that point too

[urban topaz]

At this point my hype couldn't be higher

[rapid osprey]

I'm actually so proud that I finished OW without any guides or hints

I almost did the same with tunic but had to look up ONE singular puzzle

[oak ivy]

spending 5 hours on the southern observatory puzzle is impressive.....

[devout abyss]

overwatch has puzzles?

[oak ivy]

yes

the puzzle is to figure out Winston's real name

[acoustic ruin]

you needed a guide to finish overwatch 🤨

[buoyant matrix]

i still have to watch that damn gimp guide

my exams end in three days

[rapid osprey]

I'm so mad that outer wilds and overwatch share the same abbreviation 😭

[buoyant matrix]

I'll have 15 days of summer break

[oak ivy]

||how did you figure out the trick with how to get inside the ash twin?...||

[acoustic ruin]

well you could use oW or Ow for outerwilds because OW is pretty established for Overwatch

[oak ivy]

W

[devout abyss]

you could type out the name

[oak ivy]

Omega Wilds

[mossy shuttle]

Nah that’s what you say when you stub your toe

[acoustic ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/basal-chihuahua-nahh-dog-nah-gif-25584272

[oak ivy]

that takes too much time... I could like... change my entire life and get a ton of money during that period of time instead

[hybrid gulch]

I've become quite disenchanted with abbreviations, myself. People just throw them out there all the time as if the whole world is keeping up on every random abbreviation

[devout abyss]

gubba gabba gooba geeba

[raven perch]

icl idk ttyl

[acoustic ruin]

like the german chancellor said the other day "why work a minimal income job when you can also work for 2k" 💀

[devout abyss]

2 of those are classic abbreviations

[oak ivy]

jfc ts pmo sybau go play OW w/o FPS Idc atp w/e ttyl 💔

[raven perch]

Roflcopter

[devout abyss]

go play overwatch without frames per second

[oak ivy]

yes

can you imagine how hard that would be???

[acoustic ruin]

so just a jpg

[hybrid gulch]

it's all awful. It's not about whether I can interpret it, it's about being lazy and making everyone else do the work so you can be lazy 🤣

[oak ivy]

correct!

[hybrid gulch]

The "why" was never in question though, haha

[raven perch]

Wallaby I expect to never see a single contraction from you 🫡

[fathom lake]

Chronos Literally every TIME he talks

[rapid osprey]

you mean the ash twin project thing? dont you just take the portal thingy under the bridge? I first stumbled upon it it by chance when I was trying to run from the sandstorm

[oak ivy]

||yes but like if you try to stand in the portal area the sand will lift you up so you have to hide under the roof and jump into it in the middle of the sand going down on you

tht's the hard part||

[hybrid gulch]

I'm not even going to pretend to comply with that, lol. I use contractions and abbreviations (not the same). My issue is with people throwing out random abbreviations that aren't commonly used, and expecting others to do the work to figure out what they meant

[oak ivy]

I have a new abbreviation idea:

KGTB (Kris get the banana)

[acoustic ruin]

could you imagine a MC of a game using only abreviations for everything and not only widly known ones also just random words shorten so you had as a player and some NPCS would have to guess what the MC is talking about. And they are also used instead of "movements grunts" would be a hella funny concept

[hybrid gulch]

that would be...an experience 😄

[acoustic ruin]

kinda like those games where you have to work for the language

[raven perch]

Hey man you should read homestuck

[rapid osprey]

idk I got that one pretty quick. I feel like that wasn't even a top 5 hardest puzzle in the game

[oak ivy]

okay fair enough 😭
what was the other hardest puzzle for you?

[raven perch]

I imagine if you asked they’d tell you, is kinda the thing. It’s not they’re expecting you to do the labor of searching it up, it’s that they’re so insular they think you’d already know it

[acoustic ruin]

dont have to read media with that title when i live it ✌🏻

[oak ivy]

KGTB !!!

[devout abyss]

fyb

[hybrid gulch]

Well we're both making assumptions here, to be fair, and either of us could be right in any given scenario. I don't always assume bad intentions, people probably aren't actively thinking "I really want others to work for it to know what I'm saying". But I also think that there's a lot of needless abbreviation, which can lead to confusion whereas actually typing/writing the words typically won't, so it does annoy me a bit. Not like it's ruining my life or anything lol

[oak ivy]

19 hours 14 minutes more ✨ 🙌

[raven perch]

That’s fair enough <3

[acoustic ruin]

16:00 (4pm) for europe is kinda perfect, i can still do productive stuff and dont feel bad about gaming the whole day 💀

[oak ivy]

you know meow doesn't like you if they use "<3" instead of "❤️"
😔

(I'm jk ofc btw!!)

(oh no, more abbreviations...)

[raven perch]

No no no!!

It’s more so about familiarity I don’t wanna make anyone uncomfortable by using the emoji cuz it implies a stronger sense of familiarity in my mind 🥺

[oak ivy]

yeah I wasnt being serious!!
but also wow you put in a lot of thought into this, it's really nice ❤️

[foggy topaz]

anyone else find Unrivaled Cerberus to be way harder than like, any other boss?
idk what it is but i have more trouble with him than even the Unrivaled final bosses

[raven perch]

Cerberus is really annoying yeah

[oak ivy]

yeah he's very difficult

[foggy topaz]

okay so it's not just me, cool

[hybrid gulch]

I like to think meow and I have a certain understanding, haha. We don't have to agree on everything and that's ok ❤️

[acoustic ruin]

hecate and skylla take away my DD on rival , Cerberus is pretty doable for me

[foggy topaz]

Unrivaled Scylla used to get me a lot but ive gotten pretty good at it now

[hybrid gulch]

I find Cerberus' attack patterns to be fairly predictable now but I think I struggled more early on. I mean all the bosses have their patterns and we all struggle with different ones. With Cerb (and honestly a lot of bosses) it's important to not get too greedy with your attacks

[foggy topaz]

i do think i have a problem with being too greedy with attacks
but like, damn, the opening to hit him are so few and so short

[acoustic ruin]

ye cerberus you just have to look for the 3x3 triangle and you are gucci, hecate and scylla just throw stuff until something sticks 💀

[hybrid gulch]

I really like the strawberries around your name. Just wanted to say that 😄

[foggy topaz]

aww thank u
i love strawberries

[oak ivy]

awww thank u

[hybrid gulch]

My daughter and my wife both love strawberries (in fact, wife just crocheted a strawberry purse for my neice!)

[foggy topaz]

wait-

[oak ivy]

h-huh..-

[foggy topaz]

u also have strawberries

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[foggy topaz]

everything i own is covered in them

[mossy tangle]

which reminds me, my wife's bday is coming and she wants a strawberry chocolate cake

I can't bake a cake to save my life

[hybrid gulch]

hope your life isn't on the line then 🤣

[acoustic ruin]

but aren't strawberrys kinda out of season already

[foggy topaz]

i am currently sitting on my bed with its strawberry bedsheets with a strawberry pattern blanket over me while also holding my strawberry frog stuffie

[acoustic ruin]

would have told you my recipe but if you cant bake idk if a biscuite recipe is for you

[mossy tangle]

I'm good in the kitchen, but desserts aren't my specialty

[hybrid gulch]

Well you're certainly not a strawberry poser!

[foggy topaz]

lol

[oak ivy]

oh if you're such a fan of strawberries, name 10 strawberries

[hybrid gulch]

strawberry 1, strawberry 2, strawberry 3....

[oak ivy]

fake fan smh...

[robust basin]

Why so many strawberries? Are we on Celeste all over again?

[hybrid gulch]

hey I can name my 10 strawberries however I please!

[acoustic ruin]

nono i wanna hear different kinds (species) of strawberrys 👮🏻‍♂️ !

[hybrid gulch]

I mean anyone here could Google/ChatGPT/whatever 10 strawberry species. Love isn't about knowledge

[oak ivy]

"ChatGPT" 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[acoustic ruin]

literally just googled it and got a list 💀 no need to go to chatgpt

[hybrid gulch]

haha I'm just saying there are options

[acoustic ruin]

but not every option should be explorered (not solely related to this) ...

[hasty ocean]

And some options are more full of BS than others

[oak ivy]

I can ask my cat too, that's an option too!

[hybrid gulch]

I like that option because it's the least likely to derail this discussion

[oak ivy]

oh no... i just realized....

wallaby jo, your pfp is AI too, isn't it 😭

[acoustic ruin]

depends if the cat is riding a train currently or not

[oak ivy]

this is very unfortunate 💔

[hybrid gulch]

oh yeah 100% but I've never put much effort into Discord. I literally had some default pic for years, finally changed it like 2 months ago relating to DC: Dark Legion for a bit that wouldn't be relevant or matter in this context and once again, couldn't care enough to change it again lol

[meager garden]

isn't ai struggling to count how many r's are in strawberry already

[oak ivy]

you could literally put anything else too, just a random thing on your pc....

I'd say having an AI generated picture is more work

[hybrid gulch]

wooooooo boy apparently if I ever want to get everyone completely off track whatever they're talking about here, just throw out a random "ChatGPT" and watch the world burn

[meager garden]

that's a fitting phrase to use, I think

[oak ivy]

AI is pretty messed up yeah

[crude dragon]

Yeah, like mine

It's just an old meme that I haven't bothered to change

[hybrid gulch]

Didn't say it was more or less work, I said I did it for a bit and then returned to not caring. This is the MOST I've thought about it so far

[oak ivy]

💔

[meager garden]

eh I won't pretend I never use chatgpt or google ai, I just think it's kind of gross in creative spaces at the moment

[hybrid gulch]

I get people have strong opinions about AI but I'm not trying to sell the next great American novel that I secretly generated with AI. It's a PFP, let's not get too fixated

[oak ivy]

well if you care about real artists I'd recommend you change it to something else! if you don't, well then fair enough

[oak ivy]

I mean it normalizes it

which I'd argue isn't a good thing

[hybrid gulch]

You are the first person to even take note of it

[meager garden]

I could see it earlier but I didn't wanna say anything lol

[oak ivy]

^ yeah lots of people just won't say anything

and I'm just saying that in my opinion if you care about artistic expression and want to support real artists I'd recommend you reconsider your thought that you put into this!

if you dont care then sure, I'm not policing you, I'm just making a suggestion

[meager garden]

counterpoint though, does using art from google images support real artists though

supporting real artists, imo, is like, fighting on their behalf, or commissioning them

[oak ivy]

at least it doesn't normalize using AI idk

it's a sublte thing yeah

it might not make a big difference but still

[meager garden]

I got my pfp from clipart from a decade ago it isn't supporting no one

[oak ivy]

why not do it anyways!

[hybrid gulch]

I've changed it to a solid black image. I made the art myself, completely original. Can I go back to not caring about my PFP?

[meager garden]

I dig it

[oak ivy]

daaamn i like it

[devout abyss]

“i shouldn’t have to care about anything because that’s too hard”

cowards disgust me

[hybrid gulch]

But what does my art make you FEEL?!

[oak ivy]

hell yeah tell em ry

[meager garden]

also what's with the strawberries

[devout abyss]

why u got strawberries

[devout abyss]

wtf

[meager garden]

I was first that means I'm better

[devout abyss]

truth

[oak ivy]

it was a bit because of allie cat...

[devout abyss]

i love getting random cats from allies

[meager garden]

anyways my worst reaction to AI art I think is just these weird discord scammers pretending to be indie artists

you ask them to show you some of their art and it's some of the most weird stuff I've ever seen

[oak ivy]

😔

[foggy topaz]

ten?? idk if i can do ten but here is what i can do
fragaria x ananassa (the garden strawberry, the one we buy at stores)
fragaria chiloensis (a strawberry originating from south america and one of the two crossbred to create the garden strawberry)
fragaria virginiana (a strawberry originating from north america and the other of those two)
fragaria vesca (a wild strawberry known for being very flavorful)
the "pineberry" (which is actually also fragaria x ananassa but idk enough about biology to know how that makes any sense)
fragaria x vescana (an attempt to crossbreed the garden strawberry with the wild strawberry in order to create strawberries as flavorful as vesca but as large and plentiful as ananassa)

[oak ivy]

@devout abyss see!!! ^

[foggy topaz]

the problem with crossbreeding the garden strawberry and the wild strawberry though is that they have different numbers of chromosomes so it can only be done through genetic modification

[devout abyss]

i can name one kind of strawberry

[oak ivy]

this is so cool wow 😭

[devout abyss]

red

[acoustic ruin]

if you can name red you can also name white, so you got 2

and if you add yellow on top you got 3

[merry whale]

me

[foggy topaz]

hello i am autistic and you have asked me about my special interest

[merry whale]

explain the lore of undertale

[oak ivy]

wow...

[foggy topaz]

i can but i choose not to

[merry whale]

in less than 10 words

[foggy topaz]

okay\

[oak ivy]

uhh Frisk Undertale goes on an adventure and frees the underworld

[meager garden]

is the strawberry thing from celeste or outside of that

[merry whale]

me when i speedrun the mountain under 30 minutes (i forgot to collect strawberries)

[foggy topaz]

kid falls in hole, dies later. even later, kid 2

[merry whale]

technically kid 7 (8?) but it works out

[oak ivy]

that's just like Bastion

[foggy topaz]

you know what, you got me there

[oak ivy]

give me your hottest Deltarune theory!!

[foggy topaz]

it's been before celeste for me, but i do love celeste

[merry whale]

iirc that's why we have file9 cuz 7 prior humans + 1 flowey

[foggy topaz]

ohhh, oh oh

[oak ivy]

who is the Knight?

is Dess the knight? or is it rudy?

[foggy topaz]

i solved deltarune, my friend
(genuinely working on a theory video)

[broken glen]

did someone say celeste

[oak ivy]

what did you solve??

also link to your youtube????

[foggy topaz]

the Knight is Dess, who has become a goner, thus why she appears in the Dark World as darkness darker than dark like a Titan does

[oak ivy]

also what's the final Prophecy?

[foggy topaz]

chapter 6 will be the Ice Palace, taking place in a Dark World inside Noelle's house

[oak ivy]

ohhhhh that's a good one!

[foggy topaz]

we know Dragon Blazers is based on Lord of the Hammer which is based on the Prophecy

[oak ivy]

chapter 5 is asgore's shop... i guess it makes sense for chapter 6 to finally take us to the Holiday's house...

[foggy topaz]

we have heard several times of an area in Dragon Blazers called the "Ice Palace"

[foggy topaz]

okay this one im not 100% sure on

[oak ivy]

is the 2nd hero Noelle then?
because Susie is the dragon, right?

[foggy topaz]

but i subscribe to a theory about there being a previous Fun Gang consisting of Dess, Asriel, and Seam (this is not my theory just one i saw and agree with)

[foggy topaz]

yes absolutely

[oak ivy]

oh okay, glad I'm not insane for thinking that too!

[foggy topaz]

and Dess was the second hero in the previous Fun Gang
"LOVE" got to the girl (the second hero), leading to Dess becoming a goner somehow

[oak ivy]

you mean the *@#! Squad

[foggy topaz]

also Asgore has been in the Dark World before, and i believe he witnessed what happened to Dess firsthand

[oak ivy]

I like these yeah!!

[foggy topaz]

in his secret chapter 4 dialogue he says "this time I'll show them, and this time they'll have to believe me"
suggesting not that he couldnt figure out what happened to Dess, but that when he told people, they thought he was crazy

okay im in the middle of a Chronos fight right now actually so imma get back to that

lol

[oak ivy]

that's okay!

[devout abyss]

why are you autistic about strawberries

[foggy topaz]

idk man

[oak ivy]

what about you and kirby?

[devout abyss]

im not autistic about kirby

[oak ivy]

oh okay

[devout abyss]

i barely even like kirby

kirby's fine idk

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-13416222

[devout abyss]

some people are really into kirby and that's not me

[oak ivy]

are you autistic about anything then?

[devout abyss]

i dont think a kirby game is even in my top 25 games

yes

[oak ivy]

what is it?

[devout abyss]

idk

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/the-original-starwalker-starwalker-starwalker-deltarune-star-walker-deltarune-gif-17626928507862473301

[hybrid gulch]

what does it mean to be "autistic about <thing>"?

[oak ivy]

from what I understand it's because autistic people often have special interests where they get really REALLY into something and they enjoy learning all about it and spending a ton of time with that thing/activity

so it basically means to be "obsessed with something", but not in like a negative way

[meager garden]

another name for hyperfixation, I suppose?

[devout abyss]

sorta

[hybrid gulch]

Oh I see. I get hyper fixated on random things, like I might get the idea that I want to find some old console I have stored away to play ONE specific game, and spend half the day searching for it, but then I find it and half the time lose interest pretty quickly.

[devout abyss]

hyperfixiations are usually acute

[meager garden]

that feeling when it really is just a phase

[oak ivy]

yeah everyone can get hyper fixated on something..
I think the difference for autistic people is that it is a much more "permanent" interest almost?

[devout abyss]

hyperfixations are usually more associated with ADHD, and special interests with autism

[meager garden]

the stereotype is trains, I think

[oak ivy]

yeah like they can live their entire lives obsessing over trains or whatever and never lose interest and just be happy that way

(I'm not the most informed though, so take it with a grain of salt haha)

[hybrid gulch]

Ha well I was just curious about using the term "autistic about..." since I hadn't seen it used that way. I didn't think I was autistic for fixating on things. I might have ADHD

[oak ivy]

at this point I'm more surprised to find someone who does not have ADHD 😔

[hybrid gulch]

as they say, it's a spectrum and we're all on it somewhere 😄

[meager garden]

my really unique hyperfixation that no one else in the world has at the moment is hollow knight and silksong

I'm sure no one has ever heard that one before

[hybrid gulch]

wow what are those

[meager garden]

yeah they're super niche

[oak ivy]

for me it's also Deltarune, I'm slightly more unique than you

[meager garden]

deltarune is old news at the point, that was june's hyperfixation

[devout abyss]

who is june

[hybrid gulch]

It's Well of Souls for me, there's a random throwback for the sophisticated gamers reading this

[oak ivy]

Decemeber's lost sister...

[devout abyss]

de,ber

[crude dragon]

Yeah, this is the month of Skong

[oak ivy]

That probably means I dont have ADHD beause I still cant stop thinking about Deltarune....

[crude dragon]

Driving in my car right after a beer...

[oak ivy]

[devout abyss]

attention deficit heficit deficit

[meager garden]

don't worry I'll join you again next year

[hybrid gulch]

I suppose it is conceivably possible for someone to care more about one thing than another thing, and therefore fixate on that thing simply because they care less about other things, without necessarily having ADHD or autism 😄