h2-discussion

[rapid osprey]

this is all your fault lilac you convinced me to admit it

[orchid acorn]

you get better experience just playing the game

[oak ivy]

I'm sorry 😭 your secret is safe with me ❤️

[twin rivet]

Not with me

[rapid osprey]

but is it safe with others?

[oak ivy]

We'll take care of them dont worry

[rapid osprey]

SEE

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/go-home-we-love-you-gif-14795285591912745132

[rapid osprey]

lock your doors

[twin rivet]

Gift me Silksong on steam and I won't speak a word

[oak ivy]

It's not worth it 😔

[orchid acorn]

just click heads or be a body shot king like me

playing shooters since i was 4 prepared me for this

[frank mulch]

I aim to devastate

Idk I can’t aim I main characters that don’t need to aim

[oak ivy]

😔 jeez

[rapid osprey]

you should know that I 100% would if I had the money. Its the thought that counts right?

[twin rivet]

Damn broke ass loser

[crude dragon]

Double casts? Circe staff

[marsh spear]

YouTube recommended me Bloated speedrun

[oak ivy]

I'd rather play a non-shooter non-moba online game but there are literally 0 of those

[rapid osprey]

since 4 is crazy work

[marsh spear]

It has begun

[oak ivy]

ever since that one person misspelled his name he's now stuck with this meme forever 😭 😭 😭

[orchid acorn]

CS 1.something

[twin rivet]

What if Silksong only costs $5

[frank mulch]

Well let’s be nice about it huh considering you asked for the game

[marsh spear]

HOW THE HECK ARE YOU REPLYING YO ME THE MOMENT I CONNECT

[crude dragon]

But will you believe it again?

[oak ivy]

1.0??? like Hades?

[orchid acorn]

delusion has set in already

[rapid osprey]

like how do you even have the cognitive abilities to play shooters at 4? 😭

[marsh spear]

..... I meant what i wrote maybe I'm dyslexic? Oh no

[frank mulch]

Out now Release Trailer 2020 on Youtuebs

[orchid acorn]

i mean that asusmes i was good

i lost to bots and i just played w my dad

[oak ivy]

if you make that joke again I'll ban you

[orchid acorn]

i run around and click moving things

[frank mulch]

I am correct!

[rapid osprey]

W dad tho. playing shooters with your kid at 4 sounds awesome

[oak ivy]

I dont like people who are correct

that's why I like pronto!

[neon isle]

hop on peak

[oak ivy]

or among us!!

[orchid acorn]

i want to make a joke but AD is watching

[rapid osprey]

or nightreign

[orchid acorn]

just assume it was domestic voilence related

[crude dragon]

Do you have orange pupils?

[oak ivy]

I still havent played Nightreign... one day!!

[frank mulch]

Let’s dial it back ok

The only violence you can enact here is against your grandpa

[rapid osprey]

its a souls like rogue lite! its awesome and they keep updating it

[crude dragon]

Because I just woke up, too

[oak ivy]

Death to Chronos 🫡

[orchid acorn]

@lilac can you be my grandpa

[rapid osprey]

bros playing with fire

[frank mulch]

Lilac id you were a grandpa would you have like a wizard beard or will you be like small

[oak ivy]

yeah I know, I played the original Elden Ring!! but I liked it mostly for the story/lore and exploration stuff and Nightreign doesnt have much of that

[oak ivy]

omg I'd have such a cool wizard beard!!

[orchid acorn]

you already do have a beard

[oak ivy]

what does that mean??

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/esquizopoc-gif-18133825

[frank mulch]

nightrein is cool by me as long as it’s not a goty nom
Also that evanescence trailer was not good where’s the sync to the music

[oak ivy]

it might be nominated but it defs won't win I think

[orchid acorn]

i doubt it even gets nominated

way too many heavy hitters for nightrein

[rapid osprey]

that's fair. nightreign barely has any story beside the nightfarer lore. I love the designs and mechanics of the playable characters tho. For a studio's first roguelite, it has some impecccable balance

[oak ivy]

the Duchess' design is sooo peak I'd playing her 90% of the time probably yeah

[frank mulch]

What games do yall think will be nominated for goty?

[rapid osprey]

she's arguably the worst character 😭 still fun but kinda ass

[oak ivy]

wait really 😭 😭 😭

[lucid bronze]

i love going through h2 feedback and seeing a new player say that x should be in the game when x was removed like 3 patches ago for being broken

[orchid acorn]

E33, bananza, KCD2, DS2, ghost of yotie probably, hades assuming it actually releases, blue prince, silksong etc

[oak ivy]

it's very funny I agree

[rapid osprey]

E33, split fiction, DK banaza, skong, KCD2, yotei

[oak ivy]

what's KCD2?

[frank mulch]

oh I totally forgot about KCD2 even though I’ve seen a lot of cool fanart of it

[rapid osprey]

Kingdom come deliverance 2

[orchid acorn]

Kingdom Come: Deliverance II

[molten obsidian]

solid 7 game on metacrit and 8 on steam 😂

[oak ivy]

oh

[frank mulch]

I have seen absolutely nothing abt death stranding tho

[oak ivy]

I did like Blue Prince a lot actually!!

[orchid acorn]

i've seen a lot of people talk about it

[oak ivy]

one of the best puzzle mystery games!!

[orchid acorn]

DS2 isn't my type of game

[rapid osprey]

yeah thats a really strong one too. I love it

[orchid acorn]

but it has weight

[orchid acorn]

i said it first

[oak ivy]

oh if you loved Blue Prince, you'll love Outer Wilds too, it shares a similar DNA

[frank mulch]

I would love to play split fiction I was ecstatic to hear that it’s a good game

Because I liked it takes two a lot

[lucid bronze]

suffering from being a ps5 exclusive and having a reputation of being walking simulator

[rapid osprey]

you said it with less passion tho

[lucid bronze]

it looks good though

[orchid acorn]

real. i don't care for it

not my type of game, but its good enough ig

[frank mulch]

I would be surprised if it’s not nominated but yeah

[rapid osprey]

yeah I'm quitting p5 for now and just hopping on outer wilds for my mental health lol

[oak ivy]

Pronto couldn't reach room 47 😔

[orchid acorn]

wouldn't be shocked to see a nomination, but if it won i'd be disappotined like i was for astro bot

[orchid acorn]

i didnt evne reach room 1 sis i didn't buy it

[lucid bronze]

is mgs3 delta out yet?

not sure if that’s a contender

[orchid acorn]

puzzle games are NOT for me

brain too small, i need gameplay

[oak ivy]

Fair enough..

[rapid osprey]

puzzle games are peak

[oak ivy]

I'll take it as an indirect compliment for how smart i am ❤️

[rapid osprey]

I'd higly recommend Tunic for puzzle enjoyers

[oak ivy]

I played it too!!

I played a lot of indie games I suppose... very few AAA games haha

[rapid osprey]

omg it was so good. Some of the late game puzzles had me drawing stuff on pieces of paper lol

It was making me feel insane in the best possible way

[oak ivy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/950504381407698955/1178900551308677200/image.png?ex=68b1c772&is=68b075f2&hm=24514f705d85fb0dc370183d25bd76fcfe5335ad3e6899175c845cef682a48f2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[orchid acorn]

ill allow it

[rapid osprey]

honestly based

[rapid osprey]

oh god I remember this one lol

[oak ivy]

I like solving puzzles yeah haha

[rapid osprey]

Puzzles are also why I love zelda games so much. the dungeons/shrines are my favorite part of those games

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gif-18116361

me having all these jokes but mods are here

[oak ivy]

what jokes?? 💀

[orchid acorn]

this

[rapid osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-you-have-no-power-gandalf-sauramon-influence-king-gif-14813778

[oak ivy]

That's like one of the least provocative sentences 😭

[orchid acorn]

i can make it work

[rapid osprey]

its probably about how you like guys who are hard to figure out or smth??

[oak ivy]

😭

[orchid acorn]

along those lines but not that specifically

[rapid osprey]

youre getting predictable pronto

[crude dragon]

Not officially, though a friend of mine has let me know that all the cheeses are still in the game

[orchid acorn]

unzips

[oak ivy]

this gif is so accurate lmaoo, 8/10 !!

[orchid acorn]

ill just spam your dms

[oak ivy]

uh oh

[rapid osprey]

I'm about to eat some apple cinnamon pancakes while watching a documentary on the history of hollow knight world records. Life is so good rn (until I have to do my assignments right after)

[oak ivy]

It's time for me to get a smoothie too

[orchid acorn]

show smoothie again

[rapid osprey]

my thoughts and prayers go out to you 🙏

[orchid acorn]

i need to stare at it and want it

[oak ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360122575533113366/1410654846381723739/image.png?ex=68b1ce34&is=68b07cb4&hm=6eea6cc142ed9bcaba63f7d27099c0ac333b54dcb91be283fb51d38f7a621460&
it's already happening 😔

[orchid acorn]

😭 how do you have that image

i havent messaged you yet

[oak ivy]

🤭 🤭 🤭

[rapid osprey]

quick send him a smoothie to quell his rage

[orchid acorn]

I HAVENT EVEN SENT U 5 MESSAGES IN A ROW

HOW DO YOU HAVE THAT IMAGE

????????????????????

[rapid osprey]

mhmm sure buddy

[oak ivy]

Hahahhahahaha pronto's losing it

[orchid acorn]

I GOT SENT TO THE GROUP CHAT

[little frost]

insane person

[orchid acorn]

FOR CRIMES I DIDNT EVEN COMMIT 😭

[rapid osprey]

turn off caps lock unc

[oak ivy]

okay okay fiiine

I did the "mark as unread" thing

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-monke-monkey-gif-9277508150881632018

[rapid osprey]

successful rage bait

[oak ivy]

there you go, I won't destroy your reputation 💔

[oak ivy]

it was so funny hahaha

I'm getting better at it!!!

[orchid acorn]

https://imgur.com/qiVKwYI i win

you're more needy now

more total mesages than me

[oak ivy]

well we know what trick you used now, so it doesn't work..

[marsh spear]

Ok so the reason I didn't see Circe as a Mirage Shot equivalent was that i had proyectiles in mind

[rapid osprey]

I'm so scared for my reputation knowing the fact that pronto has confidential information on my online gaming habits

[marsh spear]

But uhhh technically Ripple Effect

[orchid acorn]

its added to the list next to meow

[oak ivy]

It's okay I'll testify against his misinformation and he won't be able to prove anything

I'll help you out just like... how Susie caught Kris when Kris was climbing that huge tower when fighting the Titan...

cinema

okay it's smoothie time for real now

[rapid osprey]

you better help me since this was your fault

[orchid acorn]

she has very little power here

[rapid osprey]

its so over

[little frost]

pronto isn't real so that helps

no real person would post THAT much feedback

[rapid osprey]

true true

[orchid acorn]

i thought it was known im a shared alt of like 5 people to post anonymous feedback

fraud lilac meow and someone else that also posted the meme

[crude dragon]

I need to get the account information, I have hot takes to post

[orchid acorn]

you send it to me in dms then i post it unless its truly that ass

[marsh spear]

Update in two hours trust

Actually please don't I'm trying to complete hk and I'm anxious

[polar abyss]

So it seems there is a new bug, or at-least one I just learned about.

[marsh spear]

Plenty bugs appeared this patch

[polar abyss]

User Louisng114 posted a screenshot with 18% charged on Thanatos Axe

[marsh spear]

Normal when big patches

[orchid acorn]

success rate

[neon isle]

this happens when you have success rate

[polar abyss]

Oh

That’s what it was? I really thought that was because of Executioner’s Chop

Never mind I guess…

[crude dragon]

Yeah, Success Rate affects all random chances
Including crit

[orchid acorn]

not all but for the most part true enough

boon chances are a % to spawn for example and success rate doesn't do anything, and theres the obvious gameplay stuff they made to exclude like raki

[marsh spear]

Well it buffs Mel, not Raki 😛

[orchid acorn]

buffs hecubas chance to dig up a sandwhich

[marsh spear]

WOW raven racism

[polar abyss]

Yeah, I see it now. Epic Success Rate listed

[orchid acorn]

you don't understand, that extra 2% at epic was just too far

smh

[covert badge]

ofc hes the only white one 2025 is crazy

[fathom lake]

White raven racism goes hard

(gets olbiterated)

[orchid acorn]

#h2-feedback message

https://tenor.com/view/steve-gif-8980440

[marsh spear]

Well if you pay attention you'll notice every single raven is white.
That's because a particular Apollo myth hasn't happened yet

[marsh spear]

Spy Kids absolute kino

[polar abyss]

Imagine a Pommable Nitro Boost. 4-6 protections for a high roll common…

[fathom lake]

Yeahhh
No.

[rapid osprey]

I was checking who tf even upvoted this feedback. Of course its lilac

[orchid acorn]

she didn't send me smoothie either

[rapid osprey]

villain arc

[fathom lake]

Waiter! More Revenge Boons please!

[orchid acorn]

am i insane for thinking we should have more boons in general

[polar abyss]

Sure thing. “Waiter! I don’t like revenge boons. Give me something else”

[fathom lake]

Yeah maybe,,,,

[rapid osprey]

more boons is maybe not a problem. just remove the worthless ones like power surge and replace them with something worth using

[covert badge]

power surge was good but now there's nothing to synergize with

[fathom lake]

Power surge makes so mad

[marsh spear]

It's so much nothing

Righteous Pyke wannabe

Spike?

Whatever

It should be deleted and in its place we should have a tier2 boon that makes the Aether Font of Ionic Gain behave like Lightning Rod

Trust

[limpid oar]

I do not want them to remove boons because there is a point where leaving too few boons in a god's pool makes vow of denial more annoying to deal with than it needs to be

[marsh spear]

It's substitutions, not net removal

[rapid osprey]

yes that's why I said replace the removed ones with new good stuff

[covert badge]

actually moros or mirrored, but wep dmg outshines anyway

[devout abyss]

what the hell https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1cvxpr3/zeus_spirit_surge_should_this_boon_be_reworked/

[covert badge]

oh yeah this version was fun

[marsh spear]

I mean the archetypes have changed a lot, funny horseshoe though

Would be a fun revert

Sighhhhh, i miss splitting bolt

[devout abyss]

it seems like a weak legendary

[covert badge]

i miss super soaker

[devout abyss]

worse than power surge and shocking loss

[marsh spear]

It was cool looking

[rapid osprey]

I remember this version having cracked synergy with death warrant for room clear. it spread the mark on everything so fast

it was so fun

[marsh spear]

Ok, my brain farted:
Duo Boon
🔨 🍷Gilded Crown

[covert badge]

also hubris/panic/wards friendly

[indigo cypress]

It wasn't a legendary, originally Zeus' gain gained reduced magic to 25% similar to Smoldering Air from H1

So it was a lot easier to stay under 10 magic then now

It was still ass tho

[marsh spear]

SMair my beloved

[devout abyss]

i mean splitting bolt is a legendary

[indigo cypress]

Oh nah Splitting Bolt was amazing

But then again Zeus H1 was just broken in general

[rapid osprey]

Zeus is broken in both games lol

fitting honestly

[limpid oar]

spirit surge was one of the reasons why no magick builds were so so much better than magick builds early on

you clicked panic, started at 0 magick, so it and huntress were immediately active for you for free

[marsh spear]

Ok not farting
My brain straight up diarrhea-int duos with Dio

Incoming wall of text

[rapid osprey]

oh god

[fathom lake]

Yey i got glorious disaster yey.

Im fishing for Air Quality and already got meat Grinder which is why i dont throw this run out of the window

I have somany commons

[covert badge]

Proper upbringing/uncommon grace time pog

[polar abyss]

Speaking of commons… what if there was a boon that got buffed by having as many commons as possible?

[fathom lake]

:/

[limpid oar]

What'd we call it? Common Disgrace?

[unkempt zodiac]

honestly... id like this a lot

who would give it tho

just another hera boon?

[polar abyss]

It could be a Dionysius or Apollo boon, perhaps

[marsh spear]

Dio's Duos!
🍷 💕Party Heart
🍷 ♦️Maniacal Rage
🍷 🔥Hot Spirits
🍷 ☀️Golden Mead
🍷 ⚡Sparkling Wine
🍷 ⚡Energy Drink
🍷 🏹Toxic Darts
🍷 🦚Divine Feast
🍷 🌊Exotic Vintage
🍷 ❄️Ice Wine (it was perfect already)
🍷 🛡️Assigned Rider
🍷 🔨Gilded Crown (reference to Ariadne)

[neon isle]

def not apollo

hes quite literally the golden boy

[limpid oar]

rewarding clicking commons is going to make excellence even worse. Stop kicking it, it's already dead

[neon isle]

maybe hermes tbh

[unkempt zodiac]

whats wrong with excellence

[neon isle]

but hermes already has it with the "take more boons for dodge chance" one

[unkempt zodiac]

and can it not simply be buffed

[covert badge]

I wish the boatman and excellence position are swapped

[polar abyss]

I know it’s from Wikipedia, but…. “Apollo also encouraged the founding of new towns and the establishment of civil constitutions, is associated with dominion over colonists, and was the giver of laws.”

[fathom lake]

New Mod coming hell yeah/j

[unkempt zodiac]

makes sense tbh

[polar abyss]

I feel like that description fits the idea of common folk (boons).

[unkempt zodiac]

I like the suggestion i heard a while ago about fates being "no more than 2 adjacent cards selected" rather than "all 3 cards selected"

[polar abyss]

Alternatively, you can have Prometheus bring back what Eris did for early runs

“You take 2% more damage for each common you have”

[marsh spear]

That's so Hera

[limpid oar]

why would i ever want to spend whole 5 grasp on that

[orchid acorn]

is this a serious question

[oak ivy]

5 grasp isn't worth getting a few more rare boons usually
and it barely helps with the legendaries, making the chance go from 10% to 15% 😔

[oak ivy]

wdym?? it's such a funny feedback!!

[indigo cypress]

Even if Excellence was a more significant chance improvement on legos I still don't think I'd want it 💀

Half the legendaries are ass and not worth getting under Denial and Forfeit

[unkempt zodiac]

You act as if the dev team didn't collectively think it was alright enough to balance it as is

[orchid acorn]

assuming serious question

• Rare boons are near meaningless, they are about the equivalent of a single pom if not two and barely different from the commons.
• Opportunity cost of 5 grasp is massive. Divinity is not good because its epic rarity, its good because it gives epic chance for free due to how the arcana layout is designed
• The boon is misleading, 50% additive chance for rares yet its 50% multiplicitive chance for legendaries. So your 10% chance(for most boon drops) becomes 15%, which is still ass
• Legendary requirements are still a thing, so the times it can actually spawn are less then you would thing
• Most legendaries are mid whatever tier for the majority of weapons. Some combos are good, but again - the chances haven't increased much see above

[orchid acorn]

Except, it was just buffed so not really

If you want to make the argument "this is the balance change they landed on" then yeah sure i guess

but then we can look at the historical precdent of literally anything else that got repeated buffs

[oak ivy]

in the second point did you mean "Divinity"?

[indigo cypress]

The dev team did Patch 10 Eos I don't really think that argument carries a lot of weight 😭

[orchid acorn]

Are they intentionally going "lmao screw those kids that want buffs excellence is good as is" probably not

[polar abyss]

What if Excellence was “The first boon in each region is guaranteed to be Rare or better. Legendaries require 1 less boon to take”

[orchid acorn]

ye sry

[indigo cypress]

Not to mention the increased amount of accidental balancing

[orchid acorn]

unironically probably worse. Better for legendary spawning theoretically but also not really - depends how fast you would've hit the 3 prereq anyway

[unkempt zodiac]

Like the point I'm getting at is the balance of the game is like... alr. Nothing is utter trash from the casual perspective I'm coming at

[humble urchin]

1 less prereq for legos might actually make it worth the 5 grasp for builds that rely on one, i like this

[polar abyss]

The idea I had with that is you have to constantly reset in UW for some weapons with Onion, so that could be a use.

[unkempt zodiac]

Excellence being a 5 cost is kinda weird

Conceptually I don't think it makes much sense

[oak ivy]

Yeah I suppose that's true from a casual perspective. But I mean if you're in this discord you're not a random casual, so we talk here more in depth about balance and stuff!!

[limpid oar]

I am ngl patch 10 Eos felt like it was bugged more than intentionally balanced to be in that state

[oak ivy]

just because something makes sense from a casual point of view doesnt mean we cant criticize it after all!

[indigo cypress]

From the casual perspective yes but that's bc the game is easy enough where u don't need these things to succeed

[orchid acorn]

its always an outlook thing. Like in a vacuum anything can win, but that doesn't mean everything is balanced

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah that's fine I don't expect to be right all the time or anything like that but when somebody asks "is this a serious question" it's clearly combatative

[orchid acorn]

The question is what should the floor be

[indigo cypress]

You can w Excellence but in reality Excellence is not that relevant to your win

[oak ivy]

yeah Pronto is like that, dont mind him....

[orchid acorn]

its because its a very common thing that is brought up which is why i wasn't sure if it was bait

[oak ivy]

Pronto's a little bit tone deaf 😔

[orchid acorn]

every like 2 days someone comes in and goes "unseen/excellence aint even that bad" and its 50% bait 50% new player

[unkempt zodiac]

Is there often bait here? I've never seen something that actually looked like bait. At worst some kinda immature takes

[oak ivy]

There is quite a bit of bait yes haha

[polar abyss]

Yeah. Imagine Pronto is white / black space in your feed

[orchid acorn]

or rather not 50% new player more like 50% players that play off vibes

[unkempt zodiac]

I'm not super active tho

[limpid oar]

okay i am going to be real with you, unseen has a niche where it excels so I am not going to hate on it

[orchid acorn]

"boon rarity, oh booy lets go"

then you actually show them what its doing and they go "oh..."

[indigo cypress]

I mean if they didn't think of the consequences of removing special stacking on one of three non HA aspects I don't know what to say 😭

[limpid oar]

actually guys, arcana is balanced because you can just win without it

[orchid acorn]

im personally convinced they just didn't test eos

[oak ivy]

what is that niche?

[oak ivy]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[orchid acorn]

i'm going to tweak if you say new player experience nyx

[limpid oar]

builds that want a magick regen right away at onion fear levels

[orchid acorn]

ok good

[polar abyss]

So like… Shiva, Nyx, and Supay?

[oak ivy]

[polar abyss]

And also Moros

[orchid acorn]

its not good reasoning, but its reasoning

[oak ivy]

shiva is so magick hungry it's crazy 😭

[indigo cypress]

Shiva Unseen is crazy

[limpid oar]

the first and the last one for sure, Nyx probably not because you're really fine with the starting magick pool

[indigo cypress]

Moros too

[polar abyss]

What would be taken out for Unseen though?

[indigo cypress]

Mainly Supay, Eos, Nyx and Momus

[indigo cypress]

Boatman

[oak ivy]

Boatman or something I guess

[limpid oar]

boatman. 300 gold is roughly a boon's worth, you are getting a "boon" (your regen that you don't need to worry about) at the start of the run as opposed to maybe in the midshop

[orchid acorn]

this is always the question for any argument and the crux of the arcana layout as a whole.

[indigo cypress]

But I like rerolls too much

[orchid acorn]

you have like 8 grasp at most to actually make a build

[oak ivy]

what about the 4 rerolls!!!

[orchid acorn]

everything else is auto select

[oak ivy]

that's the real value of Boatman!!!!!

[limpid oar]

just get the right things the first time round and you won't need to reroll

[polar abyss]

Hmmm… what if the game follows the ‘DBD’ approach I’ve seen. Make some benefits base kit, then nerf some arcana?

[orchid acorn]

yeah calling boatman 300 gold is a bit disingenuous tbh its pretty clearly balanced around 300 gold and 4 rerolls tbh

[sleek oar]

Just get lucky bro

[polar abyss]

Idk what the actual name is for this though

[indigo cypress]

Say it 3× and Flower will come back and call us all uncreative

[oak ivy]

[orchid acorn]

i tried arguing that persistance can get dropped down to 20/20 and put the other 20 into mels basekit

[oak ivy]

What's DBD?

[orchid acorn]

not sure what else you can really make basekit

[polar abyss]

A game you don’t want to know about

[orchid acorn]

tf you gonna make wayward son heal standalone lmao

[indigo cypress]

Dead by Daylight

[oak ivy]

I swear these confusing acronyms will be the end of me 😔

[limpid oar]

hey actually that sounds cool, persistence is kinda autoinclude even for me who likes experimenting with weird arcana

[polar abyss]

You will be happier not knowing

[oak ivy]

okay 😔

[indigo cypress]

Also pls no DBD balance is ass

[orchid acorn]

feel free to suggest it

DBD balance is fine for the most part

its just not meant to be 1v1 which so many players get mad about

[oak ivy]

oh it's an online game.... thank god I don't play those

[orchid acorn]

you aren't designed to be ran for 5 gens nor is the survivor supposed to go on these 5 minute chases in average

some design decisions are problematic cough kaneki cough

[indigo cypress]

Now maybe but historically speaking

[polar abyss]

Shifting Persistence would also make Mel Axe better

[orchid acorn]

would it really though

[polar abyss]

Hmmmmmmmmmm…

[orchid acorn]

i guess in the context of you aren't running persistence anymore since its "only" 20hp

but honestly i think its still an auto take

plus.... what am i gonna run with that 2 grasp?

[polar abyss]

Yes Pronto. Because you trade Persistence for Huntress, and have more magic to use Huntress

[orchid acorn]

🤔

[polar abyss]

You didn’t see the value in Huntress Mel Staff too. I feel like you have a blind spot

[orchid acorn]

i absolutely have a blind spot in huntress

my brain cannot comprehend doing an omega at room start

it just doesn't fit into my gameplay

[indigo cypress]

? The +ehp is still more valuable unless you're doing pure attack/special

Also Divinity

[orchid acorn]

im still convinced ill have to do a arcana "Revamp" mod and see just how bad my opinions are

[polar abyss]

The build I am thinking of is with Dashing Heave.

[orchid acorn]

but thats so much work

[indigo cypress]

Actually wait that's the Wayward column nvm ass

[polar abyss]

Also Mel Axe without Persistence is 5 HP off of every other weapon with Persistence

[indigo cypress]

Oh ofc the one mel axe build 💀

[polar abyss]

It wasn’t the greatest run ever, but I used this to clear 40 Fear

[orchid acorn]

just put the fries in the bag and give or take away 5 hp/power from mel axe atp

i don't even care if its a nerf the ending in 5 pmo

[polar abyss]

It is a build though

[indigo cypress]

Builds I choose among options

This is a requirement for Mel axe 💀

[polar abyss]

You basically do something similar with Mel Staff actually. Mirror Start, aim for Hammer, get two curses, etc.

[indigo cypress]

At least now, prior to rivals it was fine

[polar abyss]

I mean Pan is the same though, no?

[indigo cypress]

Yeah and I hate that too

[polar abyss]

There’s a reason people call Pan “Trick Knives the aspect”, or even “Blades is the Trick Knives weapon”

[indigo cypress]

Maybe it's time to make my aspect tier list

[polar abyss]

I’ve wanted to do one too…

[sleek oar]

Whats the crit multiplier in this game

[orchid acorn]

3x

[indigo cypress]

All ik fs Medea s+ and Mel d, everything in between

[polar abyss]

Mel what in D?

[indigo cypress]

Axe

[polar abyss]

Ah. I mean Mel gets D too

I’ll leave now.

Actually, I do want to stay though. I want to make a Weapon tier list also

[frank mulch]

does she get T and B too?

[polar abyss]

For sure. Mel gets every rank in the universe

As one comment said on one of the trailers, “these hands are E for Everyone”

**Mel’s hands

Also hi AD

Sorry for what just happened

[covert badge]

You mean like Mel skull? Cuz not all Mel aspect are in d imo

[indigo cypress]

AD is an accomplice in this wdym 😭

[frank mulch]

i feel like my joke went above everyones heads 😭

[polar abyss]

No, I know what you meant

[oak ivy]

I didnt get it

DTB?

[indigo cypress]

We don't have a lot of Nemesis enjoyers unfortunately 😔

[polar abyss]

Mel likes to have a type of bird, and eat peaches.

[frank mulch]

oh. i am always an accomplice and always watching then

[oak ivy]

Ohhhh

[polar abyss]

She is fruity

[frank mulch]

no im having an internal fight on if i should delete this one too

[oak ivy]

lmaoo

[indigo cypress]

I'm prob gonna put Mel Skull in C actually but half of that is just bc it's a skull

[rapid osprey]

if AD was actually a strict mod half of us would be banned atp

[frank mulch]

im not here to rule with an iron fist im here to play and have fun

[oak ivy]

play what?

[frank mulch]

touys

[oak ivy]

👀

[frank mulch]

and hades2

[rapid osprey]

and deltarune

[frank mulch]

no but yes overwatch

[oak ivy]

omg deltarune!

[indigo cypress]

Speaking of Overwatch what is with this "Oh we're going in the direction of more conventionally attractive characters"

Like is that code for boring character designs we can make skins of

[frank mulch]

i dont think thats what was said but also i dont care because i just like the gameplay <3 and my main <3

[rapid osprey]

they should learn attractive character designs from SGG smh

[oak ivy]

or from Deltarune

[indigo cypress]

Fair enough

[fathom lake]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-gif-14737220109816521306

[indigo cypress]

What like Typhon

[rapid osprey]

yes

[frank mulch]

maybe if melinoe did go on T more gamers would play a protagonist who isnt a woman. or... does it cancel out...??

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-starwalker-the-original-starwalker-deltarune-skywalker-gif-11380441413875967835

[fathom lake]

Typhon itsnt halfbad ngl

[rapid osprey]

typhon is peak male specimen

[fathom lake]

Says the one with a Ganondorf pfp yeah should have seen it coming

Na

i win

[uneven gulch]

could be pandering to the weirdos who call everything that isn't a spitting image of their idealised version of themselves "woke" and refuse to play the game if there's a woman in it or something

[indigo cypress]

I would have to use my Beldam image a lot more I feel

[polar abyss]

I’ll redeem myself with an off-the-top-of-my-head List.

Staff:

• Mel Staff: A (possibly Low S?)
• Circe: S (I am biased. Fight me)
• Momus: B
• Anubis: A

Blades:

• Mel Blades: B? Idk here
• Artemis: B, but probably above Mel Blades
• Pan: D & S. It is on both ends
• Morrigan: Low S

Torches:

• Mel Torches: A
• Momus: S
• Eos: A
• Supay: B on Surface, C in Underworld

Axes:

• Mel Axe: Just above Pan without Trick Knives in its tier of D
• Than Axe: C or low B, probably
• Charon: Low B
• Nergal: A

Skulls:

• Mel Skull: High C?
• Medea: Top of S, with the asterisk of possibly a bit lower for Surface? And also the requirement of being good at video games
• Persephone: Low B
• Hel: Low A

Coat:

• Mel Coat: Low B
• Selene: Low A
• Nyx: S
• Shiva: High B?

[rapid osprey]

noooo my pfp is ganon bc of funny face not bc I wanna fck him 😭

[polar abyss]

This is just a guttural reaction to 50-62. Thoughts?

[fathom lake]

Circe its the most awesome glow up ever

2 Casts its the cooles thing ever

[frank mulch]

"less oddball characters" doesnt sound like more conventionally attractive characters (every human overwatch character is already that) i think it means less mech hamsters LOL

[fathom lake]

And it even has a lassseeeerrrrr

[indigo cypress]

More mech hamsters pls tho

Wrecking Ball is peak

[frank mulch]

well he is quite the odd ball

and they did remove him from the game

i see your ploy, blizzard.

[uneven gulch]

momus is cool I want to one day get a run where I have both mirrored thrasher and apollo legendary

[orchid acorn]

chat early concept am i cooking yet

https://imgur.com/DTRIQUY

[fathom lake]

nOOoOooOo 4 grasp 15% crit hit ill miss you

[orchid acorn]

its more than that

[uneven gulch]

That would be a dodecuple omega attack 🤑

[orchid acorn]

just assume if its higher grasp its better lower grasp worse

[orchid acorn]

20/30/40% crit is what im thinking rn

[rapid osprey]

yeah ive done that it melts

[limpid oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/925113924855140417/1410690817949171854/2025081.JPG?ex=68b1efb4&is=68b09e34&hm=381a90d40de5fb4933c056f04822f4c09eabecf046f06355e4f7fef2f5ef4a37& chat thoughts on my arcana setup for 62f moros?

[indigo cypress]

. . . Eternity?

[rapid osprey]

eternity on moros?

[limpid oar]

omega special

[orchid acorn]

im just stunlocked trying to figure out what to do with fates cause that is unsalvagable 😭

[indigo cypress]

You have Sorceress I assure you: you will NOT be channeling that much 🙏

[rapid osprey]

you dont really need it imo

[polar abyss]

If I were to translate this… (not completely ordered)
S: Medea, Pan TK, Circe, Nyx, Morrigan,
A: Mel Staff, Anubis, Eos, Nergal, Mel Torches, Selene, Hel
B: Shiva, Supay (Surface), Artemis, Momus, Mel Coat, Mel Blades, Persephone, Charon
C: Supay (Underworld), Mel Skull, Than Axe
D: Mel Axe, Pan no TK

[rapid osprey]

surely anubis is S

and nergal

[indigo cypress]

Def but this list is not that far off

[polar abyss]

Nergal I feel has some pain points with Pain 3.

[indigo cypress]

So I will say DTB you've redeemed your recent takes 🙂‍↕️

[polar abyss]

Anubis and Mel Staff I was considering lumping into S, but I’m also comparing it to Circe (which I’m biased for)

[uneven gulch]

it's disgusting how large nergal's omega attack is

[rapid osprey]

I would put shiva in S bc I love it so much. I am shivas strongest soldier

[indigo cypress]

Where's the person who says nerf shiva every time

[polar abyss]

Shiva has a magic problem. Actually, I think Shiva Surface is better than Shiva Underworld. Just like Supay.

It’s like… you are required to take Hecuba, or get a +60 magic room

[rapid osprey]

locked up in my basement

[polar abyss]

And also a magic regen

[limpid oar]

I tried both ways and i feel like eternity helps me avoid damage in messy fights

[rapid osprey]

if shiva gets lower magic spend it would be so peak

[indigo cypress]

It come backs to bite you at 62f bc of timer, the slowdown means enemies move slower and therefore slower room clear

[orchid acorn]

glad you did it

[indigo cypress]

I'd say Eternity's only worth on omega attack axe at 62f

[limpid oar]

I mean I'm used to timing out, 5 mins per region is a suggestion

[polar abyss]

Didn’t Boated do 62 with Shiva?

[rapid osprey]

yeah he did

therefore S tier

[polar abyss]

Maybe it needs to be pushed up then to like… low A or something.

[indigo cypress]

Shiva A sounds ab right, especially w bouncy balls now

[covert badge]

I still don’t get the appeal for shiva, like sure it’s fun with apolo but it’s sooo whatever

[polar abyss]

If it is S tier, it’s like… the lowest of lows. Shiva demands a lot compared to some other S tier weapons

Like… with Medea, I can take Zeus Special or Cast, and be good in UW for a while. Not so with Shiva.

[rapid osprey]

boated claims to suck at the game so if he gets a 62f with any aspect that aspect should be considered S tier surely

[indigo cypress]

So if Boated gets a 62f mel axe it's S now

Sounds ab right

[polar abyss]

We need to go bother him now to do Mel Axe 62.

[indigo cypress]

I can alr see the title and thumbnail

[rapid osprey]

modest speedrunners and challenge runners are so funny bc tf you mean "I could have played better" after performing humanly impossible feats

[indigo cypress]

I mean if you didn't have that mindset you wouldn't be aiming for better times or higher fear

[fathom lake]

Thats
WAY tooo high

[indigo cypress]

Like if Foolish never thought they could play better no 67f clear or the sub4 we have now

[rapid osprey]

yeah I love that about them

[orchid acorn]

for 4 grasp

debating making it 5

10/20/30 i guess can be fine

[rapid osprey]

yeah but the fact that they don't even celebrate after getting these accomplishments is what gets me 😭

[indigo cypress]

Doing Omega combos is inherently part of the cost anyways

[polar abyss]

Ok. New attempt and Same Tier Ordering;

S: Medea, Pan TK, Circe, Nyx, Morrigan, Mel Staff, Moros, Anubis
A: Nergal, Eos, Mel Torches, Selene, Hel, Shiva (Surface)
B: Shiva (Underworld), Supay (Surface), Artemis, Mel Coat, Mel Blades, Momus, Persephone, Charon
C: Supay (Underworld), Mel Skull, Than Axe, Mel Axe, Pan no TK

[indigo cypress]

I mean idk Foolish seems pretty relieved with the 67f clear, just annoyed ab the stuff that was required to do it

[polar abyss]

The only thing I’m not certain of atm is where Eos goes.

[indigo cypress]

Hence why they want Athena deleted now 💀

[polar abyss]

It has gotten multiple 62+ clears. So clearly it’s like… a really strong weapon

But where does it go?

[rapid osprey]

"game not hard enough, devs pls fix"

[indigo cypress]

Eos is strong when it gets a setup

Just good luck getting that setup in Erebus

[polar abyss]

Bottom of S?

[indigo cypress]

Eh I put it A

Imo S is reserved for the weapons that could consistenly beat 62f

[polar abyss]

What about another region split?

Is Surface Eos reliable?

[marsh spear]

Ok so what if excellence outright deleted commons

[indigo cypress]

I still wouldn't use bc of phial 😭

[rapid osprey]

I'm so happy that Eos is finally having its moment. its been one of my fav aspects for quite a while now (its also the best looking aspect and thats not up for debate)

[marsh spear]

Dman you're right

[polar abyss]

Oh wait a second. I’m missing Moros.

Where does Moros go?

[fathom lake]

s

[indigo cypress]

Low S probably

[covert badge]

Low S

[fathom lake]

Yeah that

[polar abyss]

Better or worse than Anubis and Mel Staff?

[fathom lake]

Better than anubis

As of easier to understand

[polar abyss]

Easier to understand isn’t a factor imo. It’s easier to build and ease of use that’s key

[indigo cypress]

Mel Staff is a little debatable, it's better for underworld but worse for Surface

Prob still give Mel staff the edge tho just bc of hammers

[marsh spear]

Would Excellence be good if it guaranteed Legendaries being offered and/or prioritised legendary requirements?

[polar abyss]

I’ve seen several 62 clears with Mel Staff. And it felt strong with the right hammers.

[indigo cypress]

Oh we're getting Paid Dues offered every run 🤪

And every run I will not take it

[marsh spear]

Only core Olympians then

[polar abyss]

Alright. Here’s my attempt then for 50-62 Fear.

**with community feedback

And I’m probably not going to change it anymore. Cause now I want to actually play the game.

[indigo cypress]

It'd be better and at least have use cases, rn I never see myself taking it

[rapid osprey]

put anubis S tier otherwise lock your doors tonight

[polar abyss]

I did. Lowest of S, but I did

Unless Morrigan is not as good as I think

[rapid osprey]

Ill take it

nah morrigan is peak

def S

[polar abyss]

S are weapons with “easy” 62 clears
A are weapons with moderate and pretty tricky clears
B are weapons that could clear 62 with a lot of luck (looking at you Persephone Skull) and skill
C are weapons with much lower chances, and require the perfect setup, assuming it can happen

[rapid osprey]

all weapons are S tier imo (I don't have a single 62f clear)

[polar abyss]

And in our hearts, Mel Axe and Pan no TK can get its own tiers as D tier and K Tier

[marsh spear]

If 1.0 comes and Excellence isn't excellent I'll implode

[rapid osprey]

I'm wondering if I can grind out my first 62f before skong

[marsh spear]

I have accepted Unseen, i guess

[polar abyss]

Well I went from 50 to 62 in about 8 hours and a few days of grinding

It’s possible to get your first 62 before Silksong. Just gotta chose a weapon and the right build for the path

[rapid osprey]

I have a 50f clear but not much practice other than that. 62f honestly seems more enticing than pantheon of hallownest at this point 😭

[polar abyss]

If you want to do 62, either immediately jump into 62 and start learning on the fly, or make adjustments to add your hardest left vows first (Rivals 3 for Surface, 4, Forfeit, and Scars + Pain 3)

Also, in terms of the actual runs, Surface is harder in the last two regions, and Underworld is harder in the first two regions

The bosses are obviously difficulty spikes every time, especially Rival 4, but that’s generally the scale of what regions are the most painful

[rapid osprey]

I actually have quite a bit of practice on rivals 4 frenzy 2 since I regularly play on those even on 32-40 fear so I'm not too worried about that. I'll just jump straight to 62f underworld and learn from there

[marsh spear]

I think I'll start grinding fear and speed after release. For now I'll take a break, realign chakras, and hope for arcana bufffs

[orchid acorn]

chat am i cooking in my theory crafting

The Fates - Activate 3 cards of the same cost(Opposite of queen). Increases NPC spawn chance by 50/75/100% additively(NPC doors such as dio/Arachne and encounters like artemis and nemesis).

[neon isle]

pronto youre sisyphus

ideas going into a paper shredder

[orchid acorn]

this aint for #h2-feedback bro

this is for me maybe making a mod so im paper phasing it rn to see if my ideas are ass

[rapid osprey]

npc spawn rate increase is a fire idea honestly

[neon isle]

ooh mhm i like it

could also make it a nightly incant

idk if the game supports it

[raven perch]

I don't like the idea of having a card that increases npc spawn chance yeah

[orchid acorn]

you don't like it? 😔

[raven perch]

it could be like saluting the oath maybe

[kind latch]

Is the game finished ?

[orchid acorn]

@oak ivy please affirm my ideas help

[rapid osprey]

not on a card but it would be really nice on something else

like a keepsake or incant

[orchid acorn]

idk im trying to find something that disconnects fates from the other 3 cards and isn't reroll related

i thought about making it require activating the other 3 corners but i dunno what to do with it

[orchid acorn]

no

[oak ivy]

hmmm....... that'd be a card that everyone wants to have turned on all the time then, so you're kind of recreating the issue you complain about so much...

[orchid acorn]

probably

[oak ivy]

casuals love seeing more NPCs, speedrunners and high runners love seeing more NPCs, everyone would take it all the time

[rapid osprey]

I can't say for sure but I could play test the mod when you implement it and tell you if its ass. Sounds like fun honestly

[orchid acorn]

messing with npc spawn chances is so ass to implement though ughh

i need my simple numerical changes 😔

[oak ivy]

also the NPC encounters should feel like a thing that you never really expect, so you're always pleasantly surprised when you see one! it's like a nice welcome warm hello you get to say here and there!!

otherwise you end up expecting it all the time and that kind of ruins the magic.. so yeah I agree with Meow on this one

😔 💔

[orchid acorn]

its a fair take im just too artemis pilled and want her too much

back to the lab again

[oak ivy]

yeah that's what I figured... your obsession is getting a bit unhealthy 😔

[rapid osprey]

I would like it for antler to guarantee artemis. I feel like that's not asking too much

[orchid acorn]

it is.

[oak ivy]

as much as I love Icarus I feel like I dont want to see him literally every run because it'd ruin that surprise too!

[orchid acorn]

antler is already taken out the ass in final biome, now its a free timer skip in tartarus

[rapid osprey]

how about only in the first biome?

[orchid acorn]

i'd personally prefer moving crit to lion fang or something adn then antler can summon artemis and have old lion fang or something

but crit is kinda artemis's whole thing and yeah

[orchid acorn]

i mean tagging (if available) or something is an option ig

would probably lead to as many people complaining just like they take dd's with athena keepsake tho

"why didn't artemis come i took the keepsake 💔

[devout abyss]

i dont like gpz

[orchid acorn]

tf is gpz

[devout abyss]

lol

[oak ivy]

wht's gpz?

[devout abyss]

lol

[rapid osprey]

I dont think guranateeing arty in the first biome with antler is too broken since it does mean you dont get a god keepsake

[neon isle]

gragon pall z

[devout abyss]

dont tell em fraudlord

[rapid osprey]

Grey Prince Zote

[oak ivy]

ohhhh

[devout abyss]

bro...

[rapid osprey]

dammit

[oak ivy]

yeah that fight seems awful 😭

[rapid osprey]

I find it fun 😭

[devout abyss]

he has too much hp on radiant

[oak ivy]

btw ry I looked at that Adelle Jamaican video and I really couldn't understand anything in there 😔

[devout abyss]

adele's jamaican me british

[rapid osprey]

why are you doing radiants now 😭

[oak ivy]

I'm not smart enough to appreciate such fine humour

[devout abyss]

p5 is draining

[rapid osprey]

and radiants are somehow less draining????

[devout abyss]

radiant attempts are instant

[orchid acorn]

RY help what do i rework fates into

gib ideas

[devout abyss]

you dont need too

[oak ivy]

I like how we just collectively excluded Pronto from the conversation 💔

[orchid acorn]

im roping myself

[oak ivy]

noo wth!!!

go play hollow knight!!!

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosolostan-gif-22443651

[devout abyss]

if anything, make the reroll corner more expensive

[oak ivy]

ryroll corner

[devout abyss]

barel

[rapid osprey]

you should try playing HK instead of reworking fates. Its more fun

[oak ivy]

ry

[orchid acorn]

it doesn't do anything though except make the problem worse.

We go from having like 8 grasp left to like 5 if we just make them both prohibitively expensive at 5/5

like oh no we drop furies and sorceress boohoo

[devout abyss]

if the reroll corner was 30 grasp you might not ever take it

[orchid acorn]

oh you want to just psychopath bring back patch 1 artificer 6 grasp stuff

yeah screw it "upon activating all adjacent cards, consume remaining grasp to grant 1 reroll each"

[indigo cypress]

What the

[oak ivy]

20 rerolls strat 🔥

[rapid osprey]

I honestly don't understand half the discourse with the arcana but I just want everyone to know that if I get my rerolls taken away in 1.0 pronto WILL spontaneously combust

[indigo cypress]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760972957295050796/1410701435607453827/Screenshot_20250828_120318_YouTube.jpg?ex=68b1f997&is=68b0a817&hm=8b571ac2b15ee96e4e1144cbbb3013044df2cd5c1bd10e4a71cafd37790d0fb1&
Is this bait

Ykw let me just watch the video 😭

[oak ivy]

no he did it with boated too I think!!

[indigo cypress]

So the two of them collectively agreed Cherished Heirloom s tier

[rapid osprey]

boated would never put thermal dynam in A

[orchid acorn]

for the stuff it matters for it is S tier

[oak ivy]

I didn't watch the video but I assume so?

[orchid acorn]

in a vacuum considering each indiviudal keepsake at heroic it varies

[rapid osprey]

boated was probably at gun point surely

[neon isle]

fates card should summon fates as a npc

[sleek oar]

Nah this is just his tierlist, boated posted another one

[orchid acorn]

like nobody is looking at echo keepsake and seeing an objectively worse verison than level 3 and going "yeah this is fire"

[rapid osprey]

WAIT 4TH DEGREE IN S TIER????

am I missing something???

[oak ivy]

every card should summon an NPC that the card is based on 🔥 !!!!!

[sleek oar]

Burning desire loml they could never make me hate you

[indigo cypress]

4th Degree's actually pretty good lowkey once you get it, just never worth getting bc of the setup it requires

Like if Glowing Coal wasn't terrible it would be good

[rapid osprey]

but surely not S tier tho

[indigo cypress]

Def not

[devout abyss]

oh i beat radiant gpz lol

[rapid osprey]

now do Uumuu

[devout abyss]

i did everything on the first floor

[rapid osprey]

wow

[devout abyss]

i really dont struggle on a lot of bosses, just absrad

[indigo cypress]

I assume this tier list is for casual players? But I def would not recommend either of the Ransoms for casuals

[rapid osprey]

not even radiant Markoth?

[oak ivy]

what does it do if you activate the binds during p5 btw?

[devout abyss]

he is on the seceond floor

[sleek oar]

It was just haelian personal opinion 💔

[oak ivy]

is it just for fun?

[rapid osprey]

you don't have to activate any of them

[oak ivy]

oh ok 💔

[sleek oar]

The stuff i watch when im procrastinating

[limpid oar]

lost a 62f run to a skull charging into me, that's so anticlimactic

[oak ivy]

oh so it's just self-imposed challenges?

[oak ivy]

[polar abyss]

What weapon was it?

[limpid oar]

moros

[rapid osprey]

I'm currently watching a documentary on the history of hollow knight speedruns while procrastinating on my homework. Its peak cinema honestly

[polar abyss]

Oof.

[limpid oar]

how many moros 62s are there atm?

[sleek oar]

Ikr?? Every video gets sooo interesting when i have an exam tmrr

[polar abyss]

Probably at-least 1.

[rapid osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-spamton-spamton-neo-morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-gif-8881021058169658278

[polar abyss]

Enough for several people to agree Moros is better than Anubis at 62

[oak ivy]

ok I'm going back to attempting to do an even harder challenge than 67f !!!!! (doing my homework )

https://tenor.com/view/kris-susie-krusie-deltarune-chapter-4-gif-15682991696232789639

[sleek oar]

Our bravest soldier fr

[oak ivy]

🙏

[rapid osprey]

honestly same I have 5 assignments due tonight 😭

[devout abyss]

jesus

[mossy kernel]

The strongest one here 🙏

[sleek oar]

Praying for yall 😭

[mossy kernel]

God(Hermes)speed

[rapid osprey]

average engineering workload

[limpid oar]

So what you're saying is i have to self-promote during exam season?

[oak ivy]

Thank you all (now stop @'ing me!!)

[sleek oar]

I dont need to pray for myself cause i am totally getting 100 points tmrr 🙏

[limpid oar]

You're welcome @oak ivy

[sleek oar]

Yes i think thats the way

[devout abyss]

bye @oak ivy

[rapid osprey]

dw I'll pray for you 🙏

[polar abyss]

Simple and easy solution @oak ivy ; Throw your phone into the nearest flowing water source

[rapid osprey]

anyway homework time. bye chat 👋

[polar abyss]

Oh, also @limpid oar what are your thoughts on this, since I think you weren’t there for that discussion?

It was a “community” ranking of all weapons for 62, and 50-62 if 62 isn’t possible

[limpid oar]

is that for high fear-- hold on lemme have a look

[polar abyss]

The troubling ones for me were the bottom 3 of S vs Top 2 of A, and also that middle to End section of B.

I also separated some weapons, since I do think there are some differences for some weapons because of Ephyra vs Erebus

As an example, if it was 50+ I feel like Supay would be much higher. But because it’s aiming for 62, Supay’s lower and also it was separated

[uneven gulch]

I think I'm starting to find prometheus harder than typhon

[devout abyss]

how do you feel about silas

[polar abyss]

I figured to rate all of the ones with confirmed 62s, 65s, and 67 higher up on principle of them being done, and then tried to estimate the rest

[uneven gulch]

very cool hero, pun intended

[crude dragon]

Most people would agree there, yeah

[polar abyss]

I presume it’s Rival Prom vs Rival Typhon in a comparison?

[uneven gulch]

non-rivals

[polar abyss]

Ah

[uneven gulch]

typhon looks intimidating but other than the attack after zeus helps you his attacks are all actually quite organised and predictable

[polar abyss]

I can still see the pattern there though too, that normal Prom can be a pain compared to Typhon.

[limpid oar]

@polar abyss decent list overall but these are what I'd change:

• Medea down to A-tier purely because of the high skill ceiling most people won't reach
• If we are counting TK separately, I'd put both Mel and Arty with TK above Shiva
• Persephone, Artemis without TK down to C tier
• Both Mel and Than axes up to C tier
• Swap Eos and Moros

[uneven gulch]

I think it partially spawns from me liking the axe a lot

prometheus is kind of fast and a lot of his attacks can't really be dodged without retreating so with axe it's difficult to deal damage

[limpid oar]

Also honestly put Mel torch in B tier too

[polar abyss]

I do feel a bit torn with Medea personally

[uneven gulch]

mel torch should have global crit chance because when are you using torch attack without also adding a bunch of extra stuff like fine lines?

[polar abyss]

Like the highest I’ve reached is 32 Surface. But I have heard of some getting really quick clears with Medea.

[uneven gulch]

the current world record speedrun for this game is under 4 minutes and it uses medea

[polar abyss]

Also, I was thinking about that listing of bottom of B, with Mel Blades, Persephone, and Charon. Would Charon stay at low B? Or drop?

[uneven gulch]

I think it was also used for the first max fear clear

[polar abyss]

Unseeded, yes

[limpid oar]

Stay if not rise a little bit

[marsh spear]

By using an exploit

[indigo cypress]

Medea took me 1 try at 62f I assure you the floor is not as low as you think 😭

[devout abyss]

it's just a bug

[limpid oar]

and how much medea did you play before

[polar abyss]

Is Charon better than Mel Blades? And also would they have to be separated like some other weapons on the basis of Hordes + Grit Erebus?

[limpid oar]

I would say so yeah

[neon isle]

medea isnt that hard to learn, i played my first few runs fine

[uneven gulch]

if you get the hammer which doubles your omega special you can actually double cleave-cast

[indigo cypress]

Literally like none, I beat 50f UW with it I think and that was it

[uneven gulch]

not sure if adding apollo legendary makes for a quadruple cleave-cast, though

[devout abyss]

it does

[uneven gulch]

wow

[neon isle]

could be a prior skill thing though

[indigo cypress]

But that was forever ago

[limpid oar]

did they buff that thing since patch 4? for me it was one of the hardest to 50f

[indigo cypress]

If we were talking the Medea where you had to actually retrieve your skulls then yeah that took more skill

[devout abyss]

medea has been buffed numerous times

[indigo cypress]

But nowadays Medea's pretty easy

[limpid oar]

wait

are you for real??? did it actually get buffed since patch 4

i thought it was nerfed

[indigo cypress]

Yes immensely for some reason

[limpid oar]

you know what if my next attempt with moros fails ill try medea

[uneven gulch]

I'm surprised medea hasn't been nerfed considering that it's usually where all the crazy runs come from

then again, they also all come from the same person so that might be innacurate

[indigo cypress]

Honestly the reason why we see so little 62f Medea runs nowadays is bc everybody knows they can't do it better than Foolish + it got ran so much the previous patch that ppl got bored of it

[agile heart]

sorry to interrupt but is there an equivalent to the h1 administrative chamber in this game?

[limpid oar]

ok so other than having 4 skulls baseline, how is medea better compared to patch 4

[uneven gulch]

Is that where Zagreus relives his childhood trauma event of having a job?

[indigo cypress]

It should be unlocked at some point in game, basically is like a fortune-telling shade

[devout abyss]

Olympic:
Argent Skull (Medea): increased Attack & Special damage; improved upgrades; Shells now load faster

[agile heart]

HAHA
yes but I mean specifically to review previous run details :)

[spare pendant]

There is yeah

[uneven gulch]

there should be some shades in the tavern for that, I think an incantation is required

[agile heart]

ok awesome

[indigo cypress]

There's also another shade w glasses for player statistics

[limpid oar]

wait thats crazy i was saying medea is a tier under the assumption it plays more or less like patch 4 medea

[agile heart]

glad to hear it thanks!

[devout abyss]

the last time you played medea was patch 4?

[agile heart]

I will prioritize unlocking tavern

[devout abyss]

that was.... over a year ago

[polar abyss]

Yeah, Medea has had like… this +90% damage and stuff for a while

[limpid oar]

I mean i did some casual stuff where i wasnt really paying attention, but my last noteworthy run with it was in patch 4

[uneven gulch]

the +90% damage also effects casts for some reason

[devout abyss]

the olympic update was almost a year ago too

[polar abyss]

Thats a bug

[polar abyss]

**This is a bug, that should get fixed in 1.0

[indigo cypress]

Medea also got better w Rivals bc the special gives you an option to dodge outside of frame perfect dashes

[polar abyss]

And also it’s not all casts. And also I think it’s some other things maybe?

Can’t remember all what it effects outside of Storm and Smolder Ring

[uneven gulch]

I hope 1.0 will do more balancing for hexes and godsents because some of them still kind of suck

[indigo cypress]

It's all the DoT casts I believe, not the single proc

[uneven gulch]

for example, demeter godsent is just hestia godsent at home and I don't even think it synergises with hailstorm

[devout abyss]

i think hexes are actually in a fantastic spot rn

[indigo cypress]

Hexes are alr just not beginner friendly

[jade remnant]

is there a known bug about chaos trials not unlocking?

[uneven gulch]

Aphro godsent is... something? I'm not really sure.

[polar abyss]

M: Medea (it gets its own tier for being better than S, I guess)
S: Pan TK, Circe, Nyx, Morrigan, Mel Staff, Moros, Anubis
A: Nergal, Eos, Selene, Hel, Shiva (Surface)
B: Mel Torches, Artemis TK, Mel Blades TK, Shiva (Underworld), Supay (Surface), Mel Coat, Momus, Charon
C: Supay (Underworld), Artemis, Mel Blades, Persephone, Mel Skull, Than Axe, Mel Axe, Pan no TK

New new attempt

[indigo cypress]

And some path of stars layout just suck, like why does Moon Water still have that revenge boon thing

[polar abyss]

I feel like I also overrated Selene perhaps, due to setup

[uneven gulch]

I think an option to reroll path of stars upgrades would also be nice because it sucks when you don't get the purple upgrades you were looking forward to

[polar abyss]

Or maybe it is akin to Shiva in that Selene Surface > Selene Underworld?

[devout abyss]

what issue are you running into

[polar abyss]

Like… is there a Selene 62 run?

[indigo cypress]

There was for the previous patch

[devout abyss]

top 3 godsends for sure

[indigo cypress]

Not this one tho

[jade remnant]

I only have 7 chaos trials unlocked, I have all the keepsakes, familiars, and most of the weapon aspects

[polar abyss]

And it got better since Patch 11, right?

[uneven gulch]

I don't recall zeus godsent ever doing much

[jade remnant]

on night 52

[devout abyss]

how many of those have you completed

[polar abyss]

Outside of Ares himself getting kinda ruined, a little, by the Plasma nerfs

[jade remnant]

all 7

[indigo cypress]

Allegedly, I still don't believe that they made that omega attack more responsive 💀

Dial-up block

[polar abyss]

Oh, I thought the Godsent later feature was Patch 11

[indigo cypress]

Oh yeah that too

[uneven gulch]

They killed the hel minigun build right before I decided to try it for myself 😔

[humble urchin]

have you spoken to chaos recently? i think for the second set after the first few just talking to him unlocks some more

[devout abyss]

which triad do you have unlocked?

[polar abyss]

So Selene got two buffs, and a “nerf”

I’ll move it back up to A above Mel Torches I guess

[jade remnant]

I've spoken to chaos many times, got 6 hearts, and it says "Chaos may accept an offering of ambrosia once you clear more chaos trials"

[devout abyss]

how many arcana do you have unlocked?

[polar abyss]

**and also above Shiva and Hel

[indigo cypress]

Lowkey we might have to split up Mel torches too based on Hidden Helix later

[jade remnant]

oh arcana, right..

[indigo cypress]

But ppl are still testing it rn

[uneven gulch]

I just unlocked another incantation that requires that "entropy" material

[jade remnant]

I may have not unlocked all the arcana because of judgement 😂

[devout abyss]

how far have you gotten in terms of completion, also?

[polar abyss]

Is there anything for Mel Torches outside of Hidden Helix Aphro and Fine Line?

[jade remnant]

or whatever that rng

[polar abyss]

**as the two main builds

[devout abyss]

you also need the oath of the unseen for a lot of the chaos trials

[jade remnant]

yeah, I think it's actually because of arcana, purposefully haven't unlocked all of them because of Judgment

[indigo cypress]

Not really but ig ppl haven't really tested Mel flames with the omega attack hammers besides Sudden Burst

[polar abyss]

Ok, side note, your profile picture confused me for a minute. It looks like Quincy to me from BTD6

[jade remnant]

right, thanks guys

[polar abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/quincy-bloons-td-6-btd6-nothing-gets-past-my-bow-gif-16618637765723925675

**this guy

[jade remnant]

heh? yea ik, but how?

[indigo cypress]

I hate that guy's voice lines

[jade remnant]

I havent played btd6 after lich

[polar abyss]

I feel like people just have stuck to comfort picks for Unseen

[humble urchin]

you know, from the outside it really does look like him at a whim

[uneven gulch]

A lot has been added since then

[polar abyss]

Rarely used stuff like Artemis, Mel Skulls, etc.

Just a constant stream of Medea, Circe, Nyx, etc.

[jade remnant]

yeah, I watched few ISAB's vid here and there

[indigo cypress]

Ykw

If I'm doing at least 62f for each aspect let me do blades next

[polar abyss]

Oh. I was gonna go for the Mel Blades UW one

[indigo cypress]

And I'll try to do non HA or trick knives

Dw I'm going surface

I've had enough of Erebus for now

[polar abyss]

Then you shall compete with Purple

[humble urchin]

out of the 3 non hidden blade aspects, which one is currently the most bearable?

i just can’t get the blades to click with me at all

[polar abyss]

I’m thinking Artemis. It has the current highest non-Morrigan blade clear I think at 57 UW

[indigo cypress]

Mel bc it's the least hammer reliant but if we're talking high fear good luck

[humble urchin]

oh no not high fear. extremely low fear lol

[indigo cypress]

Then yeah Mel blades

[polar abyss]

I still feel like it’s Artemis. You can parry Chronos attack

[humble urchin]

just need to get testaments done with it. not a fan of how it plays at all. morrigan seems fun when i’ll unlock it

[polar abyss]

It just takes a bit more effort

[neon isle]

i have fun playing artemis

omega attack spam is a legit strategy and its kind of hilarious

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816324109105496107/1403488266727985182/Replay_2025-08-08_17-21-00.mp4?ex=68b1710e&is=68b01f8e&hm=4bb90d29156a27009c730234e60170dd9abb335ab23b89b39e254b7f9999e921&

[polar abyss]

The one adjustment I think it needs to be solid without TK is not consuming crits on miss.

[neon isle]

oh for sure

[polar abyss]

Please please please, John Supergiant, I need you to do this for all the 3 Artemis players

[neon isle]

i like morrigan but sometimes the specials piss me off

artemis is my backup

[indigo cypress]

Sinister pinion

[neon isle]

im not that into mel blades' backstab gimmick

[neon isle]

oh dang i took an armor love tap in this clip 😔

[polar abyss]

Ok I made an “Artemis” post again

And no Pronto (if you are watching us), not that one.

[neon isle]

wait make artemis great again really is MAGA

[polar abyss]

Oh no…

Would it be too far to put that in your bio?

“100% a MAGA supporter;

• Make
• Artemis (weapon)
• Great
• Again
  “

This feels like a notch further than even the fruity comments about Mel…

Put it in your bio at your own risk Leto, but I’m not taking any responsibility for what may happen

[humble urchin]

glad you specified artemis the weapon

because artemis as she is as good as she gets

[polar abyss]

Yeah, if I said actual Artemis, I would be turned into a stag and devoured by hounds.

[indigo cypress]

When was Artemis great tho

[polar abyss]

Hmmm… probably the time period before or maybe after the Trojan War?

I say not during, because the tellings I’ve heard had Artemis be smacked down by Hera.

Perhaps the story of Atalanta if the bear she was raised by was sent by Artemis.

[humble urchin]

i mean she and apollo were the trouble kids, weren’t they?

[polar abyss]

Well they were trouble in the eyes of Hera, but that’s happened dozens of times, including with other olympians (I.e. Dionysius)

Anyway I’m gonna go play Mel Blades now

Be back when / if I get a 51-56 run done

[abstract pecan]

Dang, you folks weren't kidding when you said that Unrivaled Surface Boss 2 is actually easier than Standard.

Now, if I can just get a hold of enough Moon Dust to bring Judgement up to Level 3 before version 1.0 drops, I'll have done all I need to do with the Zodiac Sands & Void Lenses before they get turned into Prestige on me.

[devout abyss]

is typhon void? THEORY VIDEO

[limpid oar]

update on this: timed out vs Hecate, Medea is still a weird weapon

[humble urchin]

62f?

would’ve been very funny if it was another [Aki moment](#h2-victory-boasting message)

[marsh spear]

I hate time i hate Hecate

[uneven gulch]

momus omega cast is weird

why do lucid gain, geyser spoout and meat grinder specifically work with it but not anything else?

[marsh spear]

For example?

[fathom lake]

Hes just alonnneeeee
Insert thunderbolts ending here

Yeah no

[polar abyss]

I’m back! To report I failed 2 runs at 51 thus far

[uneven gulch]

prominence flare, ocean swell, I think local climate doesn't get the bonus and super nova

[rapid osprey]

Chaos is void for sure. ungendered, yaps about the abyss all the time, and has minimal feelings towards others

[polar abyss]

Took chaos boon that gave stun
Got that one boss with shadows
Lose death defiances to that and Hecate
Make it to Sirens, and die

Next run, I make it to make it to Sirens, lost all but my Toula DD, and bank on Athena
Athena failed me, and didn’t give me Renewed Faith

“Goddess of Wisdom” everybody

/s.

[fathom lake]

I hate athena

[rapid osprey]

Goddess of Wisdom? More like Goddes of Stoopid amirite guys?

[fathom lake]

(i get Renewed Faith)
I love athena!

[polar abyss]

She’s not a Goddess. More like a Goddumb

No, but in all seriousness. Uh…. Hephaestus on Mel Blades… it… worked, I guess. Idk if it’s the best Strat at high fear, but if it weren’t for Athena messing me up on that second attempt, id probably be reporting a 50+ Fear clear

[uneven gulch]

me when I get divine dash (hades 2 being a completely different game makes it useless)

[polar abyss]

Next run for sure will be a winner /j, unless…

[rapid osprey]

I mean heph build on mel blades isn't exactly playing into the weapon/aspect but I guess with blades you'll have to take what you can get

[fathom lake]

Its now the same time as your dash IF isnt it?

[rapid osprey]

a good heph build is strong on anything

[fathom lake]

F

[devout abyss]

you can’t really into the weapon aspect unless you take back burner

[polar abyss]

I was given that suggestion by East.

[devout abyss]

i mean TECHNICALLY hephaestus is the only god that directly buffs the aspect

[fathom lake]

Yeah but you need fast enough attacks or specials to trigger Chain Reaction

[polar abyss]

I mean compared to literally every single other weapon, Mel Blades has only 1 62 Aspect.

[rapid osprey]

oh yeah the backstab bug exists. does the mel blades bonus apply to heph blasts too?

[polar abyss]

I was noticing some higher damages at points, but I am thinking that may have been Raki

Because in addition to me getting messed up by Chaos in the first run, I also took the wrong familiar

[marsh spear]

Uhhhh i can't make up a logical rule, it does seem inconsistent

I would feedback it

Unless someone can explain it

[neon isle]

thinking about how athena just says "yeah the gorgon amulet is the equivalent of me putting an airtag on the bottom of your car"

[marsh spear]

That's so Batman of her

[neon isle]

doing everything to stop being the community's fav

[rapid osprey]

"omg I hate athena sm" mfs folding immediately after athena offers renewed faith on a dying run

[marsh spear]

I like her character

She's like a Herakles but from the other side of the coin

[sleek oar]

I like her h1 hat so much more

But overall agreed live laugh love athena

[uneven gulch]

It's not just athena. Most gods will point out when you're using their keepsake and it's probably why they reach you much faster than without.

[marsh spear]

Yeah but the way Athena says it is not fun

She's a bit of a control freak

[neon isle]

shes kind of a cop yeah

[marsh spear]

Hera has Herakles, Zeus has Athena

[humble urchin]

one thing i still love is in H1 if you use a god keepsake but a hermes boon shows up before he mentions that he got to you before that god

[marsh spear]

Loved that

[uneven gulch]

I think it's slightly funny how some people give you very finely-crafted objects and ornaments when you gift them nectar and then some other people give you an onion or a rock

[humble urchin]

listen dora’s trying her best okay?

[uneven gulch]

and the one who gives you a rock is literally the god of crafting things

[marsh spear]

And Dio gives you his uhhhh

[rapid osprey]

and some just give you used undies

[humble urchin]

wait i just realized

[sleek oar]

Chaos conjuring up some eldritch horror

[humble urchin]

the fig leaf….