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#mob and boss building help for my idiocy
candid zenith
you did some discord magic 
green scaffold
did I, now?
candid zenith
i probably just dont know how discord works 
this thread creating is super useful
untold glen
It is, isn't it? Keeps the main channel from being flooded
green scaffold
oh yeah it absolutely is
well well well
lemme commence the screenshottening
god forgive me
untold glen
sort by level, filter out nothing
candid zenith
green scaffold
and its not by level
untold glen
Oh well. You did get every ship so its fine
I generally dislike sorting by rarity just by principle. Some lower rarity ships are quite good
So what were you looking for? General fleet building advice?
What world are you in
green scaffold
Yeah, I don't feel like I'm making as good of a fleet as I could be putting together
uhh
W11 but its not as far as I could go since I came through W10 with relative ease
candid zenith
I can already tell you, you'd want to raise a few CVs
or you're gonna be in a whole lot of pain in W12
green scaffold
alotta planes in w12?
tribal pivot
You have some pretty good cvs actually. Ark for damage and slow, illustrious for the armor skill thingy, Volga has the heal thing and does decent damage from what I’ve heard
But you lack mobbing CVs
tribal pivot
been busy picking up white and black shells rather than getting independence
Get indep ASAP cuz she’s great in late game too
candid zenith
yea, indep is also rather cheap to get in terms of resources
pulling in the Special Build pool for specific ships will cost you a lot of cubes
and will make you miss event ships, who are generally very good
i agree with aya tho, enterprise, ark are pretty good for bossing and you already have those
you need 2-3 that you can use for mobbing
im actually so used to playing with Perseus (giga op mob CV) that i dont even know
whether you need to raise a unicorn to clear W12
green scaffold
Here are my boss and mob fleets. Don't mind Monarch, I'm just not really sure what to do with her..
candid zenith
I wouldn't put Monarch and Hood in the same fleet
their barrages are dependent on the ships position
so either of them is gonna miss a good chunk of the screen
green scaffold
yeah, thats why I said that monarch isn't supposed to be there
I'm not entirely sure what to put there
candid zenith
I'd just swap USV and Monarch (and then put monach in the middle)
USV is generally good as a mobship, since she fires twice as fast and doesnt overkill mobs as much as other BBs
candid zenith
Monarch barrage also slows, which is good for converging torps from your CVs (get some ryuseis or comparable planes)
candid zenith
who is USV again?
my bad, i meant UvH
untold glen
^ get Tenzans then gear lab them into Tenzan Kais as an intermediate converging plane
Or Junkers 87 D-4
Or Ryuuseis
green scaffold
Hmm.. I'm not sure. UvH throws so much shit at the wall, isn't the damage output a bit wasted then when not directed at a boss?
untold glen
Yeah what a take
UvH is good in boss
Generally a pretty strong BB wasted on a mob IMO
green scaffold
heres the extent of my awful torpedo plane selection
candid zenith
I mean, it's more about the situation he is in right now
im using my UvH in my bossfleet/Meta fights as well, cuz i got other stuff i can put in my mobfleet
green scaffold
heres the extent of my awful torpedo plane selection
+10 barra is on enterprise, forgot the equipped plane isnt shown
candid zenith
putting monarch in a sideposition in a mobfleet isn't ideal either
green scaffold
What about the ryusei? that any good or keep it at tenzan kai?
candid zenith
the other option would be to replace Hood with Monarch, and get an entirely new ship to put in the mob fleet (maybe independence once you get her?)
untold glen
Tenzan Kai is pretty close to a Ryuusei if I recall correctly
But if you can spare the mats and want to get +13 TBs, do it
An alternative is Ju-87 D-4 in IB section for a little bit more mats but theyll hit more consistently
candid zenith
Tenzan Kai is a decent placeholder
I agree with what kenraali said ^
green scaffold
I see.. So I suppose the main problem currently is this Hood/Monarch situation?
untold glen
Yeah, both need flag to be most effective
General tips that you might need:
- Pay attention to the armor type of the bosses. In W11, the boss armor types are as follows:
Light, medium, light, light
HE guns for light, AP for medium
Although now that I think about it, can you showcase what BB guns do you have?
green scaffold
I don't have anything noteworthy
however I'm close to building the proto twin 381s
candid zenith
If you just wanna progress (and not wait for a better CV to come along), you can also try raising Volga
she has a decent loadout and heals a bit
or just chill and play the new event for now,
your fleet should be good enough for D3
untold glen
Oh god
candid zenith
throw away the 380s
untold glen
The triple 410 is a good AP gun...rest are meh
Ok. Here's what you need: https://imgur.com/a/TNpH1rL
It's a pretty comprehensive guide for what equips you would want to use
candid zenith
406 mk6 is your best friend, having those upgraded can never hurt
later on you'd want to get weapons with AP Ammo
green scaffold
Ok. Here's what you need: https://imgur.com/a/TNpH1rL
It's a pretty comprehensiv...
I know what to use and what to not use in 90% of cases, I just don't have any good way to get my hands on any of the top stuff
untold glen
Ok. Just for now, you can get Triple 406mm MK6 from 6-2 or 6-3. No oil cap and it sucks, but that's a good HE gun that will work most of the time until you hit W13
The other way of getting one is through eagle union tech boxes
candid zenith
unfortunately the good AP guns are locked behind research, so those will take some time (except one, from gearlab but that one is timeconsuming to farm as well)
untold glen
AP guns on the other hand, are kinda needed for W13 bossing
The 410mm works fine, but you want this: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(Mle_1938_Prototype)
Either from PR3 research or buy it with protocore
green scaffold
😭
candid zenith
but HE is never that terrible, i think it should be fine for w12 (= in the short run)
untold glen
The 457 is very good, but you will be fine without it
candid zenith
and tbh, once you are at W12 it is totally fine to take a break there
its super good for farming gold/exp
and W13/14 isn't worth the trouble to clear imo (unless you are looking for a challenge)
green scaffold
AP guns on the other hand, are kinda needed for W13 bossing
The 410mm works fine...
I see champy gun a lot, is it just the most reliable ap one?
untold glen
I have to agree - W13 is for when you want Dewey/Bunker Hill, have a stage for better gold/oil ratio or when you 3*, get 250 gems that go straight to dock space
candid zenith
there are only very few AP BB guns, champy is the best one among those that are comparetively easily accessible
untold glen
very few good AP guns
green scaffold
there are only very few AP BB guns, champy is the best one among those that are ...
and who do you suggest I use it on?
green scaffold
she just throws so much shit I guess you can ignore her HE skill and still get very good damage output huh
candid zenith
you should scout beforehand what type of armor the boss is (wiki is your friend there)
and yea- she's just that much better then warspite
untold glen
Warspite might get better results against destroyer bosses but that is an outlier
green scaffold
yeah
untold glen
Base accuracy and skill
green scaffold
I plan to replace warspite with fdg when the day comes that she's actually dev30'd
green scaffold
Out of what I've seen, Ulrich
I've seen the hood gun a few times on ulrich because of how fast the reload can get. Do you have any confirmation to its effectiveness?
untold glen
I have not used Hood gun myself because Ive been told and seen told to others, that is a terrible gun despite its speed
candid zenith
that will take another half year at least, but yea FDG would be a better
hood gun is exactly that, a gun for ships that have most of their power in their barrage (like hood)
UvH is not such a ship, her barrage is more supplementary
untold glen
Just a tiny bit more additional damage and the slow is too short to be useful
green scaffold
Alright, so champy gun just outdoes any benefit the HE buff would give with hood gun?
untold glen
Against medium/heavy armor bosses, yes
candid zenith
even against light armor bosses, you'd rather use the triple mk6
hood gun is just super outdated unfortunately
even if you want to use a gun with a short reload time, then you'd use the twin 406 (i think oo)
candid zenith
yes, all of them are good
untold glen
1st is a good BB auxiliary gun
2nd is good for BBs because it boosts their accuracy
3rd is a good CA AP gun
candid zenith
2nd is Best in Slot for a lot of BBs
untold glen
Even for likes of Warspite, she still could use a STAAG. a FP boost from 134mm is kinda miniscule
candid zenith
1st can also be used as a CL gun, but is used a lot on BBs since the shells are AP (= can penetrate and destroy multiple suicideboats)
green scaffold
Alright then.. So can you guys remind me again what should be in my PR shopping list?
champy gun, those three, anything else?
candid zenith
yea, the 134mm gun is mostly for BBs that already have a lot of accuracy
Staag is always the safe choice
untold glen
From Research specifically?
candid zenith
Generally: Steam Catapults, Steering Gear
you always need a bunch of those
i need to look up the other stuff-
untold glen
From PR2: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_152mm_(6"/47_Mk_17_DP_Prototype) for best CL gun for CLs. https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_406mm_(SK_C/34_Prototype) for BiS barrage main gun.
From PR3: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_114mm_(QF_Mk_IV) for a general use DD gun for DDs. https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_234mm_(BL_9.2"_Mk_XII_Prototype) for general use mobbing CA gun.
From PR4: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109G_(Carrier-based_Prototype) for a light/medium armor boss fighter.
oof
candid zenith
Twin 113 (roombas) are generally good,
Hazemeyers are decent (downgrade from STAAG)
Repair toolkit
High Standard Firecontrol Radar
Sextuple Bofors
.
its a lot
untold glen
Let me repost this: https://imgur.com/a/TNpH1rL
It has a picture for all categories for gear
candid zenith
but focus only on one PR at a time, switching between will get you nowhere
untold glen
You wont go wrong, if you read what it says for each piece of equipment
green scaffold
Okay, thanks a lot
candid zenith
No problem 
green scaffold
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Where do you guys get your plates
I either have no blue plates and a ton of purple plates or a lot of blue plates and no purple plates
candid zenith
there isn't really a short cut to it,
you have to play a bunch
green scaffold
dangit
candid zenith
specifically farming just for plates is rarely worth it
you want to get both exp and plates, or your ships will never be properly leveled
they changed the exp distribution, so getting lvls until 100 (ish) is pretty easy, but after that it picks up quite fast
and in W12 the enemies are gonna be lv110+, being underleveld is really rough if you clear it for the first few times (until you got it to "Safe")
just take your fleets and spam a bunch of D3 this event, you get plenty of good stuff from that
green scaffold
Yup, I'm trying as best I can
candid zenith
im just waiting till the next stage unlocks as well, and then mega spam it to get my kronshtadt to 120
but if it gives you a bit of solace,
you can never have enough plates, especially auxillary plates
green scaffold
oh man dont get me started about aux plates
candid zenith
im always low on them as well
untold glen
...you havent used much have you
green scaffold
LOW?
untold glen
Im low on main gun plates
green scaffold
dude I have like 9 auxilliary purple plates lol
candid zenith
500 is not a lot, thats like 2 auxilliaries to +10
for 4 fleets you're gonna need like
idk 50+ aux's at +10
at least
candid zenith
that level of broke is normal for anyone relatively new, or for anyone really
drops like plates are there to be used, and there's always room for improvement, so people rarely hoard it
untold glen
It's fine, you can fix it
candid zenith
open lots of gold boxes, those can give you the basic equips
green scaffold
yeah fun fact
cause I didnt play this game for like 6 months I completely forgot those existed until now
untold glen
Here's a nifty guide on what not to use, ie. scrap: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Thebombzen/Safe_To_Scrap_MK_II
green scaffold
thaaank you
That'll free up a ton of space for me
still making my way through C3
wait
oh- nevermind nevermind
forget i said anything
I confused it with something else
agreed
candid zenith
green scaffold