Help with 14-2

[toxic hemlock]

I have screenshots ready just waiting for it to let me send them ✨

These are the ships I have that could be considered high enough level for it. Almost all have gear on, but I can swap things around to optimise if necessary.

[wild shadow]

125 urin

[toxic hemlock]

My current mob and boss fleets.
Mob can clear 5-7 ships depending on RNG.
Boss fleet gets the boss to 10-20 healthbars then implodes.

[wild shadow]

Sandy tanking?

[molten plover]

[toxic hemlock]

She survives long enough to get the job done so I left her as it was

[slate falcon]

ok 1 that drake isnt dev30 so you shouldnt really use her

[weary ridge]

Y is monarch not in flag

[teal marlin]

from what i see it's their boss that is on the struggle bus

[toxic hemlock]

Yeah the boss is the problem, the mob works fine

[toxic hemlock]

Less health, less damage.

[molten plover]

but the boss fleet has agir, nj, and shinanope. what could go wrong?

[weary ridge]

Also sandy isn’t reall tank n drake if not d30 her damage is weak

[weary ridge]

Put in uvh then

Wait no uvh is low

[slate falcon]

1 for mob: Swap drake out, put in noshiro or nep and make her the tank
2 for boss Either get UvH to 120 and put her in the place of Monarch or put in Amagi

[toxic hemlock]

I have tried Amagi but she seems to die fast,
Any particular reason?

[molten plover]

airplanes

get unstealthed by airplanes, you die

[toxic hemlock]

Hm, so more AA is needed.

[molten plover]

not more, but respectable

[toxic hemlock]

I’ll test it and come back-

[molten plover]

since yamashiro is bbv

[toxic hemlock]

Yeah I’ve wasted 5K oil on just testing different fleets but they all get cleaned off the face of the map. So I’m really hoping this works.

[molten plover]

only 5k oil?

[teal marlin]

2cv would be a bad idea since the flag bb will just be focused down on boss right?

[molten plover]

it wont focus on your backline if you dont get unstealthed. that's the gimmick

even if it fires, it'll miss.

[gray remnant]

the sorting of your dock doesn't make it very easy to see which ships you have per class :>

I used dork, warspite and nj for 14-2 boss not saying its the best solution, but it worked for me

[toxic hemlock]

Unfortunately I don’t have DOY levelled

[teal marlin]

what was your vanguard? @gray remnant

[gray remnant]

SF, shima, helena - again, not saying its the best setup, but it got me through 14-2 at least - also, perhaps not unimportant, but I'm using a full SSR wolfpack SS team and I keep one SS ammo left for the boss fight

[toxic hemlock]

Yeah subs on bosses make a 10Healthbar difference for me even though I keep failing

[gray remnant]

what dies first in your bossfights? vanguard or main fleet?

[slate falcon]

ow yeah btw are u using rudders on your backliners?

w14 kinda wants u to do so

[gray remnant]

Rudders made a lot of difference in 14-3 and 14-4 yeah, but in 14-2 I didn't use them at all

[teal marlin]

is rudders just on flag or on everyone in the backline

[slate falcon]

well the person in question has problems with backline survival so rudders are the best idea

and all of them

[toxic hemlock]

Depends on the run, they’re normally pretty even

[slate falcon]

do u have jda?

u may want to raise her as well for w14

[molten plover]

that, or ancho as well

[toxic hemlock]

The french lady?

[toxic hemlock]

Doing that

[teal marlin]

the have ancho but low dv

[slate falcon]

yes the french gold cl

[toxic hemlock]

I’m also looking to level my Aquila levelled to replace my Shouhou

[toxic hemlock]

Yeah I have her, just never levelled her past like 85

The state of my mob fleet after 6 battles. Oof.
On the bright side- can test the boss now.

[gray remnant]

That would certainly be an improvement. Aqheala, UvH and Jda would make quite a difference in your experience of ch. 14 imo

[molten plover]

[toxic hemlock]

Most definitely,
I’m more of a waifu>meta person but at this point I find myself levelling more meta>waifu just to clear this and attempt OS

[gray remnant]

Yeah, the hardest difficulty stuff in AL usually has a bit stricter meta

[molten plover]

[gray remnant]

If you prefer to stick to your waifu's just wait with ch. 14 until better gear and/or level 130 becomes a thing

[slate falcon]

well sometimes u need some meta ships to help your waifus

in the hardest content

especially if u dont manual

[molten plover]

seal did you watch salty's livestream w14 yesterday?

ironic how his auto is better than his manual

[slate falcon]

smh

[gray remnant]

Same applies to me, in ch 13 and ch 14 there's too much going on on the screen for me to actually process

[toxic hemlock]

Boss was a flop again

[teal marlin]

who went down first

[slate falcon]

can u show the gear they have

[gray remnant]

if your entire fleet goes down, it looks like you are lacking damage

[toxic hemlock]

Ägir, then amagi
, then NJ

[slate falcon]

also may want to swap that sub dev 25 agir for heinrich

[toxic hemlock]

Let me get the gear up

Want gear for Heinrich as well?

[slate falcon]

yes

[wild shadow]

Where is this

[molten plover]

looks like you missed it

[molten plover]

yeah put rudders on backline

[slate falcon]

Give Nj an ap gun as well

[teal marlin]

yeah i can see how you can be lacking in dps

[toxic hemlock]

Which AP

[molten plover]

champy gun

[teal marlin]

champygun

[toxic hemlock]

which one is that

[teal marlin]

would the ijn triple ap gold be good enough if you don't have enough champyguns?

[toxic hemlock]

I’ll see if i have one or enough to build one

[molten plover]

as long as you bring in an AP gun with good damage, sure

[slate falcon]

if not the triple 410 mm is good enough as well

[toxic hemlock]

Alright I have have the 406 at +10

I don’t have gold plates to +12 so I hope that’s enough

[slate falcon]

should be good enough

also do you have the 283mm gun for heinrich?

or at least one of the triple 203mm AP guns for this boss?

[toxic hemlock]

Ok and rudders
Y’all mean torp things?

[toxic hemlock]

I’ll look

[slate falcon]

no i mean this gun

the skc28

version

[toxic hemlock]

Ah

I’ll look

[gray remnant]

Not sure how impactful in this bossfight, but I think you shouldn't use the gold quint torp on ägir

[toxic hemlock]

Yeah I got one at +10

[slate falcon]

then use it on her

[toxic hemlock]

If I’m swapping her out for Heinrich then I’ll probably leave as is

[toxic hemlock]

Nay, never /J

[slate falcon]

smh

[gray remnant]

unless you plan on never using agir anywhere else I'd still replace it

[slate falcon]

but for the future your agir later will want a set of torps that sync with your backline launch/fire for the slow so either purple triple magnetic or gold quad mags

[toxic hemlock]

I play auto because I have the reaction time of a drunk toddler
I just got what will probably help me hit something

[gray remnant]

then use the quad mag instead of the quint at least

[teal marlin]

i second gold quad mags

[toxic hemlock]

All my quads are being used atm but I’ll put it in my notes to change it when I get a new one

[slate falcon]

btw quad mags only really sync to standard cv backline on agir

if u want to sync to bb's triple mags are better

[teal marlin]

the same torps that ancho uses?

[slate falcon]

no

ancho uses twin 550 mm blues

[toxic hemlock]

Does syncing matter?

[teal marlin]

for skills yes

[toxic hemlock]

Ah. Well then.

[molten plover]

it helps stack dmg buffs/debuffs/modis

[toxic hemlock]

what are rudders

[toxic hemlock]

Washing machines?

[molten plover]

ye

[toxic hemlock]

Aye I have like none left they’re so rare

[teal marlin]

would it be bad to move the rudders to the backline and use blue rudders on the vanguard?

[molten plover]

at least have one gold rudder for main tank

[slate falcon]

ok poverty thonking, do you have VH armour plating laying around?

[toxic hemlock]

I have a gold one and a purple one both at +10

[teal marlin]

vh is the gold one

[slate falcon]

ok give it to Azuma, take Azumas rudder and give it to NJ

in place of black shell

[toxic hemlock]

Done uwu

[slate falcon]

and then give the shell to Amagi in place of Fire control radar

[toxic hemlock]

Also done

[slate falcon]

do you have another white shelff of HPFCR laying around? if yes give it to amagi in place of sg

if not just keep as is

also for the amagi gun

[toxic hemlock]

HPFCR?

[slate falcon]

do you have purple twin 410?

[toxic hemlock]

I don’t have a white shell but I can make that thing. Only issue is I’ll only be able to get it to +6 because I’m lacking purple aux plates

[teal marlin]

it's better than the sg

[slate falcon]

not necessarly

because eva

@toxic hemlock do you have one of these?

[slate falcon]

or this?

[toxic hemlock]

What are they? Main BB?

[slate falcon]

yes BB guns

[toxic hemlock]

I’ll look

I have those purple ones or I can craft the gold ones

[slate falcon]

lets save resources and just use the purple one

[molten plover]

dont use the gold twin 410mm

[slate falcon]

also both the twin 381mm and gold twin 410 are bad

and u shouldnt use them in the future

[molten plover]

ye that's a safe to scrap piece of gear.

[slate falcon]

twin 380 as well

[toxic hemlock]

I slotted it in because she didn’t have a gun at all

[slate falcon]

fair enough

[toxic hemlock]

Figured nothing was worse than whatever I had

[slate falcon]

just put that gun and the HPFCR on amagi

and u should be set

lemme just double check

[toxic hemlock]

Done and done

[molten plover]

now then

[toxic hemlock]

We lookin at this for amagi

This for NJ

No change for shinano

[slate falcon]

if u have another +10 toolbox or operation AF report u may want to give it to shima in place of the fire extinguisher

uhhh do you have either the gold twin 128mm or the 130 mm gun? for NJ secondary?

[toxic hemlock]

This is what I have lying around but I can craft more, probably

[slate falcon]

ok no just keep it as is then

so that should work now

[toxic hemlock]

I’ll try it out then
I’ll be back to Report what happens

[slate falcon]

just remember about subs

[toxic hemlock]

Well,
Amagi died, NJ was at almost no health, Shima was almost dead as wel. I backed out fast enough because I am hoping for some better rng when it comes to crit rate and such. I got to 7 health bars left, so I probably can beat it if I get lucky

[gray remnant]

sounds like progress 😄

[toxic hemlock]

Definitely better than before

Well, I retried it 7 times. Each time would have died. Didn’t back out fast enough so can’t retry without beating them all now.

[gray remnant]

oh man

[slate falcon]

uhhhh how was your vg hp looking there?

[gray remnant]

I'd love to see a capture of the fight if you have the ability to do so, kinda lost what else to suggest at this point

[slate falcon]

the only things that come to mind is just taking the gold rudder fro heinrich and giving her a blue one and giving the gold one to amagi. what also can be hurting is if because of the NJ secondary boats are leaking and spotting the backline too quickly

or we can also i guess try full strike Shinaners and just swap her fighter for a db

[gray remnant]

what if you'd move amagi to flag? or has that already been suggested?

[slate falcon]

well the problem is i dunno what is the cause of the problem because if its boats leaking and spotting the backline then yeah amagi mid would help

if its something else amagi will melt harder than nj and make it worse

[toxic hemlock]

Awful

[slate falcon]

uhhhh

[toxic hemlock]

I can like… record it, then Upload it to YouTube and share the link or some?

[slate falcon]

so we are missing 7 bars of dmg right?

[toxic hemlock]

it was 7, that was a lucky fight

But then I’m getting things turning out like this

[gray remnant]

thats how I'd prolly do it yeah

[slate falcon]

do you leak boats or planes to spot u?

[gray remnant]

wait, yamashiro is a (b)cv, have we considered adding more aa yet?

[toxic hemlock]

You asking how I’m being spotted?
Just not shooting fast enough to take down boats.

[molten plover]

ah

[slate falcon]

so the suicides?

[molten plover]

aux gun issues then

[slate falcon]

ok that gives me more of an idea how to work around

do you do OPSI by chance?

[toxic hemlock]

I did a little bit but I find it so incredibly boring and inconvenient, so not really

[slate falcon]

ok so gear lab stuff is out of the question..that makes it worse

[molten plover]

if you have enough mats to upgrade a mogun kai, that would help

even consider adding the tashgun to nj would help burst suicides

[toxic hemlock]

I do have planes slip through, but not many, and not with much health.
I’m using Staag on NJ and amagi.
Twin 40mm Type 5 on shima and Heinrich.
And quad 40mm on Azuma

[slate falcon]

he doesnt have one

[molten plover]

oh boi

[slate falcon]

thats the best dd gun he has

the only thing i can think of is 1) Manual to not let the boats pass by making surevg kills them or trying amagi flag because she has a better aux

uhh i guess no nep guns as well?

[toxic hemlock]

Show me what they are, and I can probably craft them

[slate falcon]

one of these?

[toxic hemlock]

I know I have some, I can always swap over if needed I’ll check. They CL main?

[slate falcon]

yeah its cl main gun, you should give one to amagi and try putting her flag

should help with boats then

any of these free?

[toxic hemlock]

Aye, I’ll try that. And record it.

Nay unfortunately not

[slate falcon]

ok so lets just leave it that way i guess

[teal marlin]

these are basically the best secondaries for bbs that can take them

[toxic hemlock]

Actually

I can take it if my Eugen since I don’t use her

[slate falcon]

do it

and give to azuma

[molten plover]

eugen who?

[teal marlin]

do you have destroyer twin golds in your blueprint pile aside from 152 twin he?

like 114 twins

[toxic hemlock]

Nope I don’t think so

[teal marlin]

can we see what's available in your gold craftable list, i'm curious if we can find other useful things in there

[toxic hemlock]

I’ll get the screenshots now

[slate falcon]

ow another staag

feed it to amagi if u have the gold to craft and uprage it

[toxic hemlock]

Wait

So

[toxic hemlock]

Which one? The Staag or this?

[slate falcon]

give staag to amagi

[toxic hemlock]

Because I have a +10 on both

[slate falcon]

and that to Azuma

[toxic hemlock]

Alright