w12 fleet help

[hexed zinc]

You should level more ships

You’re fine for w12 but not 13

[teal moon]

I am unable to really make something out of that for W12 that I'm comfortable with telling you will succes, you lack AA carries for W12/13

[plush wasp]

Oof

[hexed zinc]

Can cleve does it for him

[teal moon]

For W12 probably, but that's still only 1 of 2 fleets.

[plush wasp]

So bit hard without sandy or cheschire

[teal moon]

Those two make W12/13 a lot more comfortable yeah. Isuzu is also an option, and you can farm for her (though a bit oil painful) in W7-3

[plush wasp]

Hmm

[hexed zinc]

What are you talking about took me 90 oil to get isuzu

[teal moon]

... 14k ish? 😛

[plush wasp]

Is she super rare?

[plush wasp]

Oh prob is

[teal moon]

Nah, it's really just down to RNG.

I mean, some people spend way more than that on Akaga / Kagi, whom I both got while clearing 3-4, so

[plush wasp]

Wait

Isuzu is rare

?

Ehh?

[teal moon]

Yes, she's a rare. Needs retrofitting to become top 3 AA carry

[plush wasp]

14k oil😂 tf?

[teal moon]

Or well, maybe she's dropped a bit by now, but still

She just wouldn't drop.

[plush wasp]

I see skill issues

Imma go get her?

[hexed zinc]

Yeah go try

[plush wasp]

Yeh should have enough to retro

👍

[teal moon]

Anyway, as far as reccomendation:
I'd say for mobbing
Chise, Unicorn, Independence (but do retrofit her). Yume, Cleveland, Rikka
Boss
UvH, Essex, Ark, Portland, Helena, Prinz Adalbert

[plush wasp]

For both w12/13?

[teal moon]

Replacing Cleveland with Isuzu/Sandy and Prinz with Cleveland/Chesh

No, for W12

[plush wasp]

[teal moon]

For W13 you really want Sandy/Isuzu/Chesh and higher levels

[hexed zinc]

Portland helena akane?

[teal moon]

It's the best I can see 😛

[hexed zinc]

What’s akane doing in vanguard

[plush wasp]

Is indep good without her third skill?

[teal moon]

Oh wait, damn, I looked crosseyed at her icon

Prinz Adalbert I suppose then.

[plush wasp]

Imma take pic of the text

May you fix the text please :'D

[teal moon]

I just did 🙂

[plush wasp]

👍

Then wot would w13 fleet look like?

[hexed zinc]

Can’t form one for you

[plush wasp]

Or this?

[teal moon]

Honestly? Mostly ships I do not see you having

[plush wasp]

Ehh so I gotta wait few months?

[hexed zinc]

But uss cl usually have high aa so get them

[plush wasp]

= sandy

[teal moon]

W13 / 14 ramp up the difficulty by quite a bit.

W13 is basically W12 with more and harder hitting planes

[plush wasp]

Hmm if w13 doable with my ships +sandy?

[hexed zinc]

You’ll need more carriers with fighters as well

Air control is important

[plush wasp]

= tigercats

The game has gave me 0 gold f6f

[teal moon]

That too, but also carriers with fighter slots 😛

[hexed zinc]

Gonna get rekt if you don’t hit air supremacy/superiority

[plush wasp]

So I kinda have enough cv/cvl?

[teal moon]

Like Ark doesn't have fighters, so you ideally want a CV with. (Or centaur)

[plush wasp]

But no fighters?

Wait I dont have enough ships with fighter slots ?

[hexed zinc]

Standard cv with fighter might do it but someone like centaur or even illustrious is gonna make you life easier

2 fighter slots

[plush wasp]

Oof I hav no way to get all these ships excluding cheshire without doing normal gacha?

I have exam ship I havent picked

But I wanna be more sure which to pick since exchange can gib sandy or enty so Ill just wait till one shows up and buy another

= Ill just pull normal gachas ?

[teal moon]

I'm counting 7 CVs in your screenshots. 2 of them have no fighters: Ranger and Ark, so that leaves you with 5 that can slot fighters. I'm personally not that fond of Saratoga since you have Essex already.
Chise, Unicorn, Indepence are good on mobbing, so that leaves the bit of bossing

[plush wasp]

Uuf

[hexed zinc]

I’m going with essex uvh enty for boss if you want reference

[teal moon]

Essex, Saratoga, Enterprise would be a pretty decent bossing main I think, once they are leveled, or indeed Essex, UvH, Enty

[hexed zinc]

Pr3 grind seems best for you now cause of the sextuple and cheshire

[teal moon]

Yep

[plush wasp]

Hm so I will be oki once I get cheshire + some gear?

[teal moon]

So you need HMS vanguards, but those are a bit ... rare in your screenshots.
I see London, Leander, Norfolk.

[plush wasp]

Yeh I am lacking alot of good ships for grinding pr

[hexed zinc]

How high dev does he need cheshire to be

[teal moon]

For AA carry? 15 if I recall

[hexed zinc]

I think laffey did it with a pre dev20 cheshire?

Yeah

[teal moon]

25 for her full tank potential, 15 for AA

[plush wasp]

So 15 enough for w13?

[teal moon]

Probably.

[plush wasp]

Idk wot vg pressure looks Like

On s13

Wait if dev 15 hmm lemme check how many prints itnis

[hexed zinc]

My dev21 ancho helena sandy almost died all the time on 13-3

1 rudder makes you like that

[plush wasp]

Breh

[teal moon]

73 for dev 15, 133 for dev 20

[plush wasp]

Lemme check how many prints I have

[teal moon]

I kinda held off on W13 for a pretty long time, so I went in overprepared

[hexed zinc]

And level your skills

[plush wasp]

29 prints

[hexed zinc]

Nice

[plush wasp]

I am always leveling skills

[hexed zinc]

My essex with 3 sl1 do nothing but dealing 1/5 dmg to the boss

[plush wasp]

And70 general prints

Of pr 1-4

So pr3 is wot I should focus anything else?

[teal moon]

For reference, my fleets for doing W13 (way overkill)
Mob: Perseus / Formidable / Centaur + Noshiro / Jeanne D'arc / Sandy Kai
Boss: Monarch / Illustrious / Enterprise + Cheshire / Seattle / Baltimore

[plush wasp]

Alot of event ships

I dont have

[teal moon]

Yeah. The advantage of playing for a while. You'll get there eventually too.

[plush wasp]

If I dont do normal gacha pulls = no centaur for me?

[teal moon]

I think I got centaur through wishing well pulling.

Once or twice per year there's a wishing well event, in which you can pick a pool, and then 2 ships from that pool that'll get a personal rateup

[plush wasp]

Hmm if I cant really do much other than that than mostly wait and do opsi?

[teal moon]

Grind up more ships and do OpSi would be my current advice yes.

Primarily just expand the high level options you have

[plush wasp]

Hmm maybe Ill get 12-4 for coins and then focus on opsi and let w13 wait

[hexed zinc]

I used lusty/indep/unicorn portland/phoenix/rikka for mob, a bit lackluster in backline dmg but can keep vanguard up a bit

But then the pressure is solely on vanguard to kill the aa ships

[plush wasp]

You got away without ssndy or ches /isuzu?

[hexed zinc]

I used sandy in boss

[plush wasp]

Oof

[hexed zinc]

Cause rikka and phoenix seem to have enough aa for mob

Rikka’s aa aux is basically a sextuple anyway

[plush wasp]

For opsi ships should I use/ get?

[hexed zinc]

Huh

[plush wasp]

4 fleets kinda alot

Since I wont be able to do w13 while

[teal moon]

That's where the more and higher levels come into play for 😉

[plush wasp]

You mean I gotta 125 my ships?

[teal moon]

No, just more to 100+

[plush wasp]

Eh hmm

Isnt that easy then:'D?

[hexed zinc]

Should he just make 4 fleets with mediocre ships for now or make 2/whatever fleets all the good ones can fit in

[plush wasp]

Lemme show wot I am running

[teal moon]

I'm not sure, which tactic would be better. 2 fleets with the best possible sounds like the better option for farming materials

[plush wasp]

Fleet 4 is just randy ships fleet 3= leveling fleet

Ill swap uvh to 2 once high level enough

And rikka prob back to boss

[hexed zinc]

You kinda have enough alright ships then

[plush wasp]

Adal replaces port

I mostly need bossing ships?

[hexed zinc]

Oh yeah that’s a lot of mobbing stuff

[plush wasp]

I feel like I have too many mobbers

Imma ss my rest ships hmm

Nvm most are not good prob only maybe somwthing useful in tjis ss

[hexed zinc]

Give bulin

[plush wasp]

?

[hexed zinc]

I even lack universal bulin now

[plush wasp]

Medal shop kinda gibs and weekly

How are you out xd

[teal moon]

At some point, once you have fleets set up well enough you run out while limitbreaking everything.

I kinda know the feeling

[plush wasp]

Tho about my ships for opsi. I have enogh for mob fleet?

And then only level bossers for rest 3 fleet?

[hexed zinc]

Don’t know why but I kinda go against healer even in mob fleet for opsi, maybe because I use it as my main boss fleet as well and don’t want the siren with heal stealing skill to take everything

[plush wasp]

Uuf but how you hp sustain?

[teal moon]

I like my healer, so that I can onefleet pretty much everything in OpSi except arbiter/siren/final stronghold boss

Heal kits from OpSi and the occasional port heal. Keeping topped up in OpSi isn't too difficult.

[hexed zinc]

I go back to ports/use items

[plush wasp]

I dont want to spend coins

[teal moon]

I'm just lazy, so I use Perseus + JdA in my "mobbing" fleet

[plush wasp]

Eh suggestions for mob fleet? For current situation till I get percy?

[teal moon]

Your fleet 1 looked fine to me

[plush wasp]

Ill keep rikka there or replace her at somepoint?

And replace jav with z46?

[teal moon]

Replace her when she hits 120 with someone you want to give xp to

[plush wasp]

Rikka?

[teal moon]

Any of your mob vanguard 😉

[plush wasp]

She not worth 125?

[teal moon]

Sure she is, but get more to 120 is more useful than getting 1 to 125

[plush wasp]

Tru

[hexed zinc]

By standard you want 1 cv fleet 1 HE focused bb 1 AP focused bb 1 mob fleet

[teal moon]

Yeah, that's the most common setup in OpSi

[plush wasp]

Woah

For different bosses tjen wot if abyssal just go with those?

[teal moon]

Abyssals all have weaknesses, which you tailor your fleets towards.

[plush wasp]

Ah and for everything else its gud?

Setup

[teal moon]

For example, 1 of the enemies looks like a stingray, and is a DD with weakness shelling. So that's the one you hit with your HE BB fleet.

[plush wasp]

= Ill swap gear only ?

[teal moon]

Another is a squid looking one, and is a CV with medium armor and weakness to torpedoes. So that's what you toss your AP BB fleet at (which ideally contains a vanguard that likes torpedoes as well)

[hexed zinc]

If you have, there are ships with bonus dmg for HE like uvh riche

[plush wasp]

Tho if my mob fleet is gud I ignore leveling all mobbers?

Unless 120

Then swap

[teal moon]

For example, my AP BB fleet is made up of: Monarch, Warkai, Howe, with a vanguard of Noshiro, Naganami, Shimakaze. That fleet is specifically made to take down the abyssal CV siren

Both noshiro and naganami buff the torp strikes from shimakaze, which is good against that specific siren because weakness torpedoes. And because it's a medium armor the AP BBs also do really well.

[plush wasp]

Uuf but I need moar ships

[teal moon]

Yes, that really is your current roadblock. And sadly the only thing you can do for now is to wait out events for them.

[plush wasp]

Kinda not worth levelling most of my ships?

[teal moon]

And try to get some from PR grinding.

[plush wasp]

Likemadge yuki sara hood

[teal moon]

I'm not saying that. Every ship is worth leveling, but for W13/14 and the higher content in OpSi you want more meta ships eventually

[plush wasp]

Yeh I will

[plush wasp]

But even for opsi

[hexed zinc]

You can retrofit some ships

[plush wasp]

Indep and others prob not worth it

[hexed zinc]

Why isn’t london retrofitted

[plush wasp]

Eh dont see her being useful later

[teal moon]

Up till W12-4 you can get away with waifu ships. In Opsi you can get away with waifu except against the C6 siren with zombie heal as long as you have 4 full fleets with good gear/skills/levels

[hexed zinc]

Leander is kinda ok too with the smokescreen

[plush wasp]

But just ok D:

[hexed zinc]

Saratoga

[teal moon]

London is one of the better easily gotten gunboats, yes she's squishy and wants to be in mid, but she's definately worth it

[plush wasp]

mobber or bosser?

[teal moon]

Mobber more than boss, because squish and in mobbing you have a healer

[plush wasp]

And sara gets replaced later D:

Right?

[teal moon]

Yeah, Saratoga gets replaced by Enty

[plush wasp]

Yeh dont need more mobbers

Ye so kinda not worth retroing any except indep right?

Unless I reslly need ships now

[teal moon]

I'd really say retro London too. While she's better at mobbing than bossing, she's still a very good mid position DPS vanguard

[plush wasp]

Z46?

[teal moon]

Pre oil-cap I'd also have said to retro Leander, because she's a really solid CL for low oil cost, but with oilcap there simply are better ones. But for PR grind she'll be a really good asset, so that really is more up to if you want to spend resources on retrofitting Leander and making your grind easier, or just suffer grinding longer

[hexed zinc]

46 is solid

[plush wasp]

Replaces london?

[plush wasp]

Leander useful for wot pr sjips

[teal moon]

I'm not that well versed in DDs, but Z46 is a really solid one.

[hexed zinc]

Cheshire

[plush wasp]

Aa

[hexed zinc]

[teal moon]

Cheshire mainly, but also Neptune 🙂

[plush wasp]

So z46 is solid but replsces london?

[hexed zinc]

46 has good gun good torp nice barrage

[teal moon]

If I recall correctly, my grind for Neptune was: Leander, London, Javelin, and for Chesh it was Neptune, London, Leander

[hexed zinc]

Most of her damage is AP though

[plush wasp]

Ohh

[plush wasp]

But leander kinda useless for later is there any ships I should get snd is good?

[plush wasp]

Hmm then none replsces london for while?

[teal moon]

They are interchangeable I think. I'm going to be honest, I haven't done much with DDs, except for Javelin for hardmode EVA statpadding, Shimakaze, and currently Kazagumo.

[plush wasp]

Dds not useful other than that?

[hexed zinc]

I use dd a lot cause I like lolis but only the top ones though so I’m no difference

[teal moon]

I like other ships more than lolis so yeah ... 😛

It's biting me in the butt now, because W14 likes more DDs, so yeah

[hexed zinc]

W12-13 dd fall off cause of their low aa so yeah, but they become useful again at 14-3

[plush wasp]

How about opsi wise?

Aya torp boom

[teal moon]

OpSi is really forgiving in that sense. No need for max AA in any of the fights

[hexed zinc]

Sure they’re nice in there

Just throw a pearl tear on them and they will also support when they die

[plush wasp]

I wonder if suicide healing is tjingi on opsi?

Like purplosely having 1 nub ship to just die every round?

[teal moon]

Nah, it's not really that effective. It's easier to just use items or port heal

[plush wasp]

But if against port healing?

[teal moon]

I'd feel bad for constantly having a girl with tolls of war and at 5% hp.

[plush wasp]

But kinda could work?

Also good for backline since no percy

[teal moon]

With the item, I guess.

[plush wasp]

[teal moon]

I do not know for sure, and I definitely do not condone abusing a girl in that way

[plush wasp]

Toll lf the war = just weaker ship?

[teal moon]

Tolls of war disables skills

[plush wasp]

Aa

They will get 5% hp if they die?

[teal moon]

In OpSi yeah

[plush wasp]

Oo

Who is tje most tanky ship witjout skill?

[teal moon]

At least, I think it's 5%. They don't go down permanently in any case

I'm going to say Portland? Because she mostly relies on her high stats

[plush wasp]

Wot port actually tankiest ?

[teal moon]

Portland is one of the earliest available good tanks yeah

Granted, needs her retro

[plush wasp]

But best of all ships for tsnking no skill?

[hexed zinc]

10%

[plush wasp]

Even bettor

How much the pearl heals tho?

Jeanau + pearl suciding works on opsi?

[teal moon]

pearl heals 10%. Juneau + pearl works once. After that Juneau's skill will not work

[plush wasp]

Oh shet youre right

Toll of the war only goess off if port heal?

[teal moon]

port heal, regroup and request command, or fleet redeployment

[hexed zinc]

Or regroup

[plush wasp]

Rip

So self heal is another way hmm

[teal moon]

So, not an advisable tactic

Zombies work yes, unless you run into an enemy that either steals the heal, or turns the heal into damage

[plush wasp]

If great ships witjout percy can they survive c6 battles losing under 10%

Hp

[teal moon]

Monarch has been downed that way more than once

[plush wasp]

She has self heal?

[teal moon]

Monarch is a zombie BB yeah

[plush wasp]

Oml

How gud?

[teal moon]

Increases own Reload by 0.6 (1) for every 1% loss in her HP. Additionally, when HP is 20% or less, heals for 3% max HP every 2s for 10s. This effect only occurs once per battle.

[hexed zinc]

15%

[teal moon]

Or 12% if not Fate Sim 5

[plush wasp]

Hmm but akane also kinda?

Doesnt she have 8% heal?

When under 30%?

[teal moon]

Yep

[plush wasp]

But she isnt doing great in opsi currently

[hexed zinc]

Isn’t she specialized in AP

Haven’t used her in a while

[teal moon]

Monarch? Yeah, she's not good vs light

[hexed zinc]

Akane I mean

[teal moon]

Oh, no idea. I have her, but haven't used her

[plush wasp]

If 125 maybe great zombie?

[hexed zinc]

The barrage seems to be AP and the 20s barrage is AP as well I think

[plush wasp]

Kinda want to make some wery weird opsi mob fleet

[teal moon]

I only know she wants to be flagship because her barrage

[plush wasp]

Or mahbe I sjould ask how often do you need to heal with your set ups when doing c6?

Or strongholds?

Mob fleet*

[teal moon]

Strongholds I use healing items after pretty much every siren fight.

[plush wasp]

Like how many kits?

[teal moon]

C6 I don't bother with healing items

Variable, between 1 and 5 I think.

[plush wasp]

Uuf

[hexed zinc]

Stronghold every 1-2 fights c6 don’t know cause too lazy to do them knowing I most likely won’t win

[plush wasp]

I rememebr using like closer to ~150 healing kits on opsi stronghold was pain

[teal moon]

Keep in mind, my OpSi mobbing fleet is a bit on the overpowered side for OpSi

[plush wasp]

Hmm

I reallh want fleet that needs min healing

Without running out of time

[teal moon]

GneiMeta (because leveling her skills), UvH (because generally leveling her), Perseus (125), Agir (dev 28, lvl 125), Jeanne D'arc (125), Drake (dev 30, lvl 125)

Both gnei and uvh are 99

[plush wasp]

Dds not great if want to heal less?

[teal moon]

I only use Shimakaze in OpSi at the moment

And DDs are a bit squishy yeah

[plush wasp]

Hmm

Will 3 ca do too little dmg?

For c6?

[hexed zinc]

I use nagato amagi uvh ancho ayaya ykkz cause I used to build only torp meme, can say dd is not something you want to use a lot if you’re lazy

[plush wasp]

Welp I manual every fight currently unless its really easy

[teal moon]

Depends on the CA 😉
For your dock: Prinz Adalbert / London / Magdeburg would be a pretty sweet vanguard

[plush wasp]

But maybe torp nukers for boss would be nice

[teal moon]

And yes, I know magdeburg is a CL

[plush wasp]

I mean for least healing

[teal moon]

If you don't run a healer, you'll need a preload mainfleet if you want to avoid healing too often.

[plush wasp]

🤔

So tanky/zombieis worse for hp?

[teal moon]

So Richelieu / Chise / Aquila / Jean Bart / Vittore Venetio with enough Sardegna / Prince of Wales with 3+ Eagle union

[plush wasp]

for leset hesling

[teal moon]

Probably zombies for vanguard, and preloads for main fleet

[plush wasp]

Hmm sounds gud

But yeh

Got almlst none of them xd

[hexed zinc]

It’s alright me too

[plush wasp]

Youre relatively new?

[charred beacon]

huh this thread is very informative. imma note down some of these suggestions for myself as well xD

[hexed zinc]

No I quit for 2 years, just returned last november

[plush wasp]

Aa so missed quite many ships

I feel like I am just bombing with question after question

[charred beacon]

i started playing october 10th. what about you toothly?

[plush wasp]

I think I am about 2 month old

[charred beacon]

aka its just over 3 months for me now

[teal moon]

I started playing during the first run of Ashen Simulacrum, so somewhere early august 2019

[plush wasp]

Last I saw you chat was something about 3-4 akaga farming

[charred beacon]

you talking about damanta?

[hexed zinc]

2 months and reach w12 is quite fast

[plush wasp]

About you oreo

[charred beacon]

ohhhh

i haven't touched 3-4 in a long time lol

its been a while since i got akagi and kaga

[plush wasp]

Yeh but I wanna speed progress but no ships

So now I just swap focus on opsi prob

[hexed zinc]

Well gonna have some drawbacks

[plush wasp]

Alot

[charred beacon]

eh, no real reason to rush too fast. just go at a standard pace, and try to improve your ship pool

only reason to rush w12 is to get to 12-4 for coins

and xp

12-4 is very good for that

[plush wasp]

Yeh

[teal moon]

I'm off towards dinner. Good luck with grinding 😉

[plush wasp]

Cant rush too much and makes no sense

Have great meal

[charred beacon]

im surprised you havent retro'ed independence yet

[plush wasp]

Welp I had few reasons 1 no planes for it just got and second no coins

But now I just got out of gacha hell

So little by little getting more coins

Uvh took almost 170 pulls

I should prob close this thread

[hexed zinc]

Got everything you need?

[charred beacon]

considering all the level 70 common ships, im guessing you were doing those for fleet tech?

[plush wasp]

Welp now I have plan but I still want fleet for min hesling but to achieve that I kinda need ships I dont habe

So pr3 and gear lab mostly

[hexed zinc]

Cassin downes phoenix

[plush wasp]

Nope

[charred beacon]

what for?

[plush wasp]

I did few for 3-4 grinding for f4u

[charred beacon]

ah

[plush wasp]

I literslly had 2 f4u only line 2 daysbago

Now like 5?

The game rude witj tech boxes

Givingnme bsd gear lmao

[hexed zinc]

I’m running out of hellcat

[plush wasp]

Gold ones?

[hexed zinc]

Yeah

[plush wasp]

Well game has gave me 0 of them

[charred beacon]

gold boxes are stupid. I have so many damn ship maintainance gears

[plush wasp]

Instead now I have 2 cranes

[charred beacon]

yeah, the cranes suck

[plush wasp]

Xd

[hexed zinc]

It heals you a whole 15hp

[plush wasp]

And only for repair ships

[charred beacon]

but don't worry, your gear issues will go away after a while.

[plush wasp]

Yeh just pain

[charred beacon]

this is my current gear:

[plush wasp]

Cant do luch

[plush wasp]

Lemme check mine sec

[plush wasp]

3 ap shells :0

White*

[charred beacon]

yeah, 3 months of playing, 3 sets of black and white shells

[plush wasp]

And 3 black shells

[hexed zinc]

For some reasons I got 3 white 2 black

[plush wasp]

I ha e 2 white 1 black and indep

[hexed zinc]

Always bought them in pairs though

[charred beacon]

you probably spent 1200 on independence that month, so you didnt have enough to get the black

[plush wasp]

No this is my month I just got new wjite like ~days ago

~3*

[hexed zinc]

I spent it last month after the x3 so definitely enough for all of them

[charred beacon]

yeah the x3 was amazing

tooth can i see your gear?

[plush wasp]

Yeh sec

Owh only 4 helldivers?

Ouch

[hexed zinc]

4 aa guns

[plush wasp]

Little?

[hexed zinc]

I guess

[plush wasp]

Oof yeah

[hexed zinc]

Well you’ll need more for w13 too

[plush wasp]

Wait where is my ss guns?

Lemme check

Oj they are in tje pick oof

Yesh 4

Sexy bofors slow to get

Staag wants elecs

[hexed zinc]

Just get staag from research

[plush wasp]

Others need more boxes

Yeh

About the opsi should I just ignore min hesling fleet for now?

Or make one with whst I hav

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Yeah that would take more effort to raise than manually heal at port

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Eh hm

You have percy right?

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No

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Wot oof

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Ships from early 2019 to late 2021 are the ones i don’t have

Aka the good ones

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Breh 2021 had alot of good ships kinda annoying that missed like all of tjem

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Even missed poi retrofit item when I have her

How fun

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Breh so anogher 2 year ish?

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Probably

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Imma go try w12 since I need coinz

thank you