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[pale elm]

:'D

[harsh bloom]

making this a thread, so the help chat isnt super clogged

[pale elm]

Yeah all gud

Also I really appreciate your good responses on gph 💗

[harsh bloom]

Flames aggression is considered top tier for cats because it increases you damage output by 3% for all ships unconditionally. it can technically be beaten by other tallents, but generally not

[pale elm]

But hard to get?

[harsh bloom]

the best tallens tend to be ones that will act to improve your dps the most, with the exception of mountain's which is the best defense tallent

I have meh cat luck, right now this is my best example of a cat with flame

[pale elm]

Ahh so is ghe link still right?

Ill post my another cat my 2 other are in boxes

[harsh bloom]

getting a cat that starts with flame is a lot harder that rerolling talents for it so realsitically you will want to look for cats that are a good start point

[pale elm]

Idk how to define good starting point

[harsh bloom]

I consider this an okay starter, 3 skill levels (1 lvl 1, and 1 lvl 2) are in a focused offense tallent

out the gate this is +19 FP to battleships

[pale elm]

Wait

So do I just check if they give offensive stats or mountain?

[harsh bloom]

basically yes, offensive stats to backline, mountain/flame. TRP to frontline is okay if you actually intend to run a TRP fleet or otherwise get a lot of dps from TRP in your comp

[pale elm]

Comp?

[harsh bloom]

fleet composition

[pale elm]

Ah like just having alot of trp ships

[harsh bloom]

right, this is another example of a cat that had a similar intial layout

Ive been rerolling this cat as gold allows trying to fish for flames aggression or other top tier tallent

[pale elm]

Idk if I should reroll yet still kinda new xd

[harsh bloom]

reroll cost is based on points spent, if you go down that rabbit hole dont spend the last point each reset, you can peek the last point and just nope the fuck out

a lot will actually just do 1 or 2 ppints in before deciding to nope out

[pale elm]

?

[harsh bloom]

but yes, rerolling cats isnt something you should do if you have better uses of coin still

[pale elm]

Yeh so do I now check my cats and analyze them?

[harsh bloom]

Basically yes, you can rename cats once per day, you can use this to make notes such as "BB FP" on a cat that you think will be a good BB fleet cat

[pale elm]

Aa

But Ill start by checking the talents do I post pics of them?

Since idk if I am analyzing them right

[harsh bloom]

honestly I think you know what to look for now, look through you cat's and see if you have one that has at least 3 starting skill levels vested in skills that add DPS to your backline

[pale elm]

Ill start with that and inform

So first isnt focused on main second is bad and third gud?

[harsh bloom]

1st is focused on faction, so it depends on fleet comps more (faction cats are less flexible), second isnt as bad as it seems but is sorta meh, 3rd is a good dps starter

[pale elm]

Yeh wot do I do with this cat?

[harsh bloom]

I would leave it locked or use it until you get something better, I dislike the EU faction buff generall as its AVI only and EU only, making it only work on.. well USS carriers

[pale elm]

Aight so keep but replace once bettor is found

[harsh bloom]

right

[pale elm]

Then next

Eh this has 4 cuase leveled?

Alot of backline focused bb and bc

[harsh bloom]

click reset to see what it started with

[pale elm]

Sec

Shet

Thst text xd

[harsh bloom]

.. you didnt have to commit, just open up the preveiw

[pale elm]

Oh is thst bad thing?

If I clicked confirm

[harsh bloom]

I would have reset that anyways, the CL RLD+ was a dead tallent

[pale elm]

Better picture

[harsh bloom]

this is a good start, 3 skill levels in offense, the hp tallent is sorta dead weight, but 3/4 skill points being used on good skills is decent

[pale elm]

Hmm so this is almost perfect stqrting cat just 1 bad

Tho its bb and bc not main fleet so cvl not buffed tho

[harsh bloom]

A perfect is having flame agression, aviation ace, mountain, or soulful in the starting roll with no dead tallents

[pale elm]

But okay start?

[harsh bloom]

Its actually a lot harder to get a good CV cat, theres only one SSR cat that has a CV focused initial tallent pool

yes, its an okay start and will do well in fleets with 2-3 BB

[pale elm]

Uuf I use 1 bb in my fleet😅 currently

[harsh bloom]

see what your tallent reroll gives you for options since you rerolled it anyways

[pale elm]

Oh that costed?

This?

[harsh bloom]

resetting a cat charges you gold, and refunds the talent points, and randomizes the talent upgrade pools

2nd skill that adds more fp on the first roll

[pale elm]

Like 1,5k coins?

[harsh bloom]

resetting is expensive, dont do it more until you can really afford it

[pale elm]

Yeh

[pale elm]

So I dont get what this means

[harsh bloom]

when this page comes up you can choose what tallent gets the point

[pale elm]

Ya

[harsh bloom]

out of a pool of 4

the one arrowed to is a FP skill

[pale elm]

Aa wot the up thing means?

[harsh bloom]

Up means its an upgrade for an existing tallent

[pale elm]

So 3 are uögradeable and 1 unlockable?

Aa so 2 upgrades in this situation and 2 new to choose from

[harsh bloom]

usually reach point spend will give you 2 options to upgrade an existing talent, and 2 options for new talents

[pale elm]

This reach point thing is level thing?

[harsh bloom]

A cat has 1 talent points per 5 cat levels

[pale elm]

Ye

[harsh bloom]

resetting allows you to respend them while potentially changing the pool of upgrade/new options

[pale elm]

Aa so choosing new option changes some talent or adds?

Tho I think these new talents suck😂

[harsh bloom]

you spend the points one at a time, really its a matter of fishing for a reroll to put a very good talent on the new side and taking it

you want decent base talents because more often than not the new options are shit and you will upgrade a starting talent

[pale elm]

Ah so it just gives another skill

[harsh bloom]

right, its how this clusterfuck came to be

[pale elm]

Wait are the new skills not upgradeable ?

[harsh bloom]

new skills can show up as an upgrade option

when you spend your next talent point

its rng

2 random upgradable skills, and 2 random new skills show up for each point you spend

if you have less than 2 upgradable skills it would be more random new skills to compensate

[pale elm]

Aa so new shows every time you spend one skill point

[harsh bloom]

right, so if you have 3 skill points, its 3 chances for "flames agression" or a different good tallent you want to show up on the new side

[pale elm]

Ahh if I choose new talent its upgradeable right?

And wot is max amount of skills to choose?

[pale elm]

Not choose I mean can have

Per cat*

[harsh bloom]

im not sure, I have a few cats that have 5 talents (the best talents tend not to have any levels, and are just really good out the gate)

[pale elm]

Oh but for now Ill just upgrade that one cat and hope for better right?

[harsh bloom]

right, also what did you get with your other two skill points, I assume you spent the first on upgrading the FP skill

[pale elm]

I didnt spend them yet xD

So first to firepower lemme do that

[pale elm]

Also about this so best tl start fishing if have good base skills and max level?

[harsh bloom]

I need to get the fuck out of the cattery before i spend all my coins

[pale elm]

D:?

[harsh bloom]

Once a cat is level 15 ill usually start fishing for better tallents

reset cat, spend the first two skill points and peek (but dont spend) the 3rd, if its not up to standard i reset it without spending the 3rd

[pale elm]

Reading xd

Is peeking like checking avaible talents and if bad go for upgrade and if good picking?

Also got these

[harsh bloom]

peeking is looking at the page and not spending the point if you know you are going to reset the cat

[pale elm]

=the cat other talents were bad and just checking rest and no gud and reset?

Does resetti g more points cost more or why no spending?

[harsh bloom]

basically yes, normal process for a 3 point cat is

First point: if no new talents are good enough to pick, select an upgrade on a decent core talent

Second point: if no new talents are good enough to pick, select an upgrade on a decent core talent

Third point: If neither new talent is great AND there were no great talents from the first two steps don't spend the point, you are resetting the cat anyways

resetting costs more the more points you commit

some people will spend one, peek the second, and reset there if the first two dont get a good new skill. It depends on how coin efficient you want to be

[pale elm]

Ahh thats why some cats end up with few skills instead aof alot of skills but nothing bad I guess

Yeh now I understand but why not doing this qt higher level tho?

Or not worth since reset cost alot?

And rather spend rest on upgrading?

[pale elm]

Oh shet that explains why not going more thant first 3 xd

But having more points doesnt increase amount of skills shown*

[harsh bloom]

its a matter of coin efficiency, if you reroll after spending 1 point, you are able to look at two talents per reroll

so you are spending 1500 coin per chance to get a top tier talent

[pale elm]

Aa but picking skill doesnt lock hm

So its also supa risky spending alot of points

[harsh bloom]

yeah, reseting a cat resets it to its starting talents, the starting talents are the only locked part

[pale elm]

Aa but basicly if you gotten gud skills is it still worth and stop oncenno good skills?

[harsh bloom]

theres a point where you will have a roll thats "pretty good" to the point where you dont want to risk rerolling even if you know a better roll is possible, thats where the real hell starts

[pale elm]

Oh wait ai thing itngoes like this so first reroll and check ghe skills if good pick if bad upgrade and qgain that and third if previous good keep continuing and if first snd second bad = reset or this is just your usual strategy

[pale elm]

Yeh so gotta know where stop stop gambling xd

[harsh bloom]

basically theres a good chance that the first two skill points will wind up being upgrades for the initial skills, this is "fine" as long as the last point has a good new skill

obviously the first skill point of a reroll can land flames aggression, then the rest is gravy

[pale elm]

Yeh so now I get it just reroll if bad and dont go to deep and continue till good skills or if ghe third is good

[harsh bloom]

right, if a reroll is bad you just stop and reroll again without spending more points

[pale elm]

And then just rest is rest is either you wanna gamble more or just be fine with whqt you got and go and spend rest lf the points never resetting again

So its decidion between reset or just spending rest of the points after first 3

[harsh bloom]

This is an example of an older cat that rolled into Aviation Ace as one of the new skills, and wound up going into that. The cat is "decent" but a reroll can be worse

at the time i committed to the cat, but at this point im probably going to start rolling on it again

[pale elm]

Ahh since it was okay for beginning and now you might want better since got spare coins

[harsh bloom]

right, i commited to this back before oil caps were a thing

[pale elm]

Aaa now farming for coins is easier luckly

So my focus is getting cat with gold base and then level it and then once I reachcpoint in game where I have enough coins I can start to do this talent fishing

[harsh bloom]

rip coins

[pale elm]

D:

Idk if that was worth since ur comin

[harsh bloom]

next point doesnt have a top tier skill, this cat as re-entered reroll hell

[pale elm]

Yikes how many rerolls total?

So now youre just fine with wot comes next or no monke

[harsh bloom]

you can only reset once per day

[pale elm]

Aaa

[harsh bloom]

so its not like I can do anything about it today, I just dont spend the last point until I roll it again

[pale elm]

But about the talents them self you told that I should open cat boxes till gold base skills that focus on backline /bb, bbc and if I want other skills for different fleets then Ill have to choose what cat skills I want from there

So basicly its just depending what type of cats you need for certain fleet

How does blue and purple then differ from gold one?

[harsh bloom]

lower rarity cats have less starting talent levels, and generally weaker special skills

[pale elm]

Aa

Do cats always have same skill?

Or also random?

[crude tendon]

Same name same skill

[pale elm]

Ahh so thats why mostly want cat that skill and talents match so they can help the fleet

More effectively than having cat that skill buffs not wanted ships

[harsh bloom]

also lower rarity cat's cant have the best skills as part of their initial pools

[pale elm]

So just stayaway from blues and about half of the purples

Does the cat have starting stats or are those from talents?

[harsh bloom]

each cat (eg all Bishimarus) has static base stats, talents are random

[pale elm]

Aa wait lemme check cattery to see

[harsh bloom]

you can check what a cats starting pool is and their inate stat range on the wiki https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Bishamaru

[pale elm]

Ahh perfect

Ill check and Ill ask if I dont understand :D

Thank you for helping 💗 I know its pain to explain stuff to me

[harsh bloom]

note, not all cats have flame's aggression or mountains in their initial pool, this makes some cats potentially inherently better if you get lucky as you can get "flames" as a starting tallent, and proceed to reroll for a 2nd top tier talent

[pale elm]

Aa so just better starting talent makes this reroll hell easier

Or just overall better cat

[harsh bloom]

just better overall cat

since you will go through the same hell trying for a 2nd top tier talent

[pale elm]

Yeh reroll is choice

[harsh bloom]

I still dont have a cat with flames aggression as an initial talent, you need dumb luck for that shit

[pale elm]

I see why the guy on gph commented bad cat as joke cause no initial talent being flame aggression

[harsh bloom]

you can reroll each cat every day for flames if you want and coins hold up, you can only get flame as an initial on specific cats, and you get what you get

[pale elm]

Yeh so is buying cat box even worth?🤔

[harsh bloom]

so for most, having "decent" starting talents is good enough because you can eventually force it to be pretty good, though never perfect

[harsh bloom]

ill buy cat boxes from like event shop or if I have extra coin

[pale elm]

Cats are pain

[pale elm]

Less rng?

[harsh bloom]

event shops usually have 2 gold cat boxes, ill also get them from guild shop if they show up

[pale elm]

How much they cost

[harsh bloom]

basically Ill grab ALL guaranteed gold cat boxes

buying the coin boxes from the cattery is a huge rng coin sink

ill do it if i have extra coin sometimes, but not religiously or anthing

[pale elm]

Yeh and I think even rerolling is just minmaxing xd

Or otherway around if badluck maxmining😂

[harsh bloom]

if you have a decent start like in https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/924943464242765834/924962427991375872/unknown.png then yeah, its good enough, rerolling is minmaxing from there

I wound up with basically the same cat, with more fp and less avi

as long as you only have a single dead talent its an okay cat

[pale elm]

Ye Ill start with this :)