#Yuudesu opsi stronghold help (gearcheck etc)
unkempt rampart
I actually thought it'd scale to like my levels
But I guess its universally 125s
dark sun
stronghold level range from 122 to 128 yeah
sonic cloak
welp, that explains a thing or two. This has like no sustained dmg past torps
frigid obsidian
also state what the general purpose of the individual fleets are, e.g. this is the mobbing one etc
dark sun
so your levels are a bit of an issue, but not the main one. first of all, i think you should put noshiro on tank spot
unkempt rampart
This is mobbing yeah
dark sun
also show us the gear
frigid obsidian
levels arent that bad, you can almost grind indefinitely with bad and/or ~lvl 100 ships if perseus is well-geared
dark sun
also you can do strongholds with a single fleet, so it being mobbing focus isnt the issue imo
sonic cloak
problem is, the vg is rather bad for mobbing. unless its the double preloaders, torps clear way to slow, and all dmg that comp has basically comes from torping.
frigid obsidian
oof
sonic cloak
Don't use gold quint, they are very bad.
unkempt rampart
steep nova
do you really need the FE? I rather just put a 2nd toolbox in the dd
unkempt rampart
Don't use gold quint, they are very bad.
I don't have quads. Thats the problem.
dark sun
if you want torps, it's better suited for a bossing fleet
unkempt rampart
Like I saw why quads are better, but I don't have them.
dark sun
Don't use gold quint, they are very bad.
wait which gold quint cuz i thought there's one that's good
unkempt rampart
All my gold torps are quint.
dark sun
this gold quint is fine, isnt it
sonic cloak
quint mag are bad.
steep nova
this gold quint is fine, isnt it
yes but he is using the mag one
frigid obsidian
also, all you ships have non-maxed skills
or not even unlocked
which is a major issue
sonic cloak
aya isnt even full retro
dark sun
also unlock ayaya's demon dance lol
unkempt rampart
unkempt rampart
also unlock ayaya's demon dance lol
The retrofits refuses to show up lmao
dark sun
you are doing x-1 hard mode daily right
unkempt rampart
you are doing x-1 hard mode daily right
Yep
dark sun
those blueprints eventually stack up to infinity
unkempt rampart
They mostly drop blue/purple
dark sun
ive been doing 8-2 hard for a couple weeks and now have a ton of cruiser bp lol
frigid obsidian
for how long have you been playing? you either leveled way too fast to catch up on gear/skill levels or you cobbled together some high tier units without preparing them properly
dark sun
anyway it'll come in time don't worry about it
steep nova
The retrofits refuses to show up lmao
did you did the earlier nodes? like the reload one for example?
frigid obsidian
it might be best to just step back from harder ops content for a while and take some time to catch up on gear/levels
unkempt rampart
unkempt rampart
did you did the earlier nodes? like the reload one for example?
Ye I did, but they're purple retros
dark sun
since they have gold ayanami i think they did all retro except tactical learning
unkempt rampart
it might be best to just step back from harder ops content for a while and take ...
Yes, I technically am trying to catch up with gears and stuff when I first came back to the game. Someone told me to rush out OpSi to actually get better gears.
dark sun
so they have all her stats, just missing the new skill due to lack of gold bp
@unkempt rampart also note that by 3 starring hard mode stages in ch3 or higher, it gives you 2 gold bp as a reward (x-1 will give destroyer, and so on)
unkempt rampart
unkempt rampart
<@!117206996603764745> also note that by 3 starring hard mode stages in ch3 or h...
I kinda prioritised those at the beginning and got a lot of retrofit prints
dark sun
regarding your fleet btw, perseus is enough. you need more backline dmg
unkempt rampart
Oh really? Ok
dark sun
yes 1 healer should be fine for opsi mob fleet 
especially since perseus heals backline too
frigid obsidian
drop +10 cudas on perseus for much better mobbing
perseus is almost a cheat code for ops
dark sun
unicorns dmg is quite meh her main utility is the heal tbh, so stacking heal is kinda pointless and makes you lose dmg
unkempt rampart
I should replace with a BB?
Or I could technically go with Enterprise but she'd be better on a bossing team than on a mobbing team
frigid obsidian
any strong mobbing ship
sonic cloak
I mean, your entire vg alrdy screams more bossing than mobbing anyways.
frigid obsidian
consistency is key, and you won't get this from this vanguard
sonic cloak
its half a torpmeme with a yukikaze doing nothing but wasting a slot.
dark sun
noshiro is fine for mobtank i think, the other 2 should be replaced though
steep nova
btw, I have been wanting to ask for a while now, is that the only fleet you are currently using in opsi? If so, I wont bother with making it a mobbing fleet. Can always just use healing items or go back to port to heal
unkempt rampart
Wait I thought Yukikaze was for mobbing?
unkempt rampart
btw, I have been wanting to ask for a while now, is that the only fleet you are ...
I technically use a bossing fleet and a mobbing fleet
sonic cloak
she's kinda for nothing at this point.
She's reasonably tanky but with poor dmg
unkempt rampart
Yukikaze's a tank right?
dark sun
btw, I have been wanting to ask for a while now, is that the only fleet you are ...
that's true tbh, but i personally do appreciate the convenience of a healer as it means you need to heal less often tbh
sonic cloak
And with noshi there, there's absolutly 0 reason to use yuki.
frigid obsidian
yukikaze got powercrept incredibly hard
unkempt rampart
Wait, do I have a specific mobbing backline?
I have Nagato and Warspite
The rest are all CVs
sonic cloak
opsi you want: 1 mob fleet, 1 (pure) bb fleet, 1 (pure) cv fleet (nagato + ijn cv can also be fine here tho)
dark sun
any good bb and/or cv would be fine for a mobfleet tbh. i use richie
unkempt rampart
These are my options
frigid obsidian
lotsa good ships, but all underleveled
sonic cloak
You got all the right ships for a top cv fleet, just not leveled. BB wise, Howe, amagi, ws, duke are all great.
Mob, from what i can see, amagi-percy-sara should be great, or enty honestly.
frigid obsidian
oh damn, shinano isn't fully limit broken
dark sun
mobfleet is fine to level a couple of them honestly (outside of stronghold/abyssal)
unkempt rampart
oh damn, shinano isn't fully limit broken
Yeah. I need to wait for like 2 months to maybe limit break her fully I think
Like, another 2 months more
frigid obsidian
are doy and howe fully lb?
frigid obsidian
dark sun
saratoga's good enough, im using her
sonic cloak
unkempt rampart
I mean tbf I came back to the game like 2 months ago, and I didn't even have a single level 100 at that time
unkempt rampart
I was rushing cuz I wanted to clear D3
D1 and D3 for the Iris Libre event thing
Cuz I heard they had the best CL HE gun and some good DD gun
These are my vanguard options
frigid obsidian
it's kinda tricky nowaydays as you level so fast now. sometimes too fast as you can't catch up with skill levels, gear, bulins etc
unkempt rampart
I guess I can go for Z23?
sonic cloak
suzu would be way better if she's mlb. London is also a pretty good option, so'd be sandy
unkempt rampart
it's kinda tricky nowaydays as you level so fast now. sometimes too fast as you ...
I managed to reach the stage where I can clear D3 within that period, so Im handling fine atm.
Except for OpSi Stronghold lmao
dark sun
jda would be great for mobfleet
unkempt rampart
I never thought I'd be facing level 125s that fast
unkempt rampart
jda would be great for mobfleet <:LaffeyDrink:468866532408295454>
Shes like level 1 skill and not fully lb'd lmao
dark sun
rip
unkempt rampart
Yeah I just got her
dark sun
youll want to get her up at some point, she's super useful at making the vanguard much tankier
frigid obsidian
sure, as ops is a completely different environment where simply having budget gear and overleveled ships wont cut it everywhere
unkempt rampart
Yeah, I saw her skills, she can be really useful.
So I guess it'd be London and Sandy?
dark sun
london's good
frigid obsidian
yeah that's okay gear, might wanna slap your best DD gun on her and definitely get her skills up first
dark sun
use some oil btw, try not to let oil cap lol 
unkempt rampart
My Sandy's not good.
frigid obsidian
its fine
dark sun
definitely upgrade your gear more 
sonic cloak
looks decent. except ofc, missing skill and skill levels 
unkempt rampart
Yeah, the skill levels RIP
frigid obsidian
it's just missing skills, gear and levels across the board
unkempt rampart
I only retrofitted her today.
frigid obsidian
and only time will fix this
unkempt rampart
RIP. I guess I won't be doing stronghold anytime soon.
dark sun
yeah it's ok, there is no need to rush
frigid obsidian
yeah, try to do dailies and other grinds tho
dark sun
focus on important ship skill/levels/unlocks/gear and youll get there
unkempt rampart
My current bossing fleet.
frigid obsidian
won't be as efficient but in time you can pick up some good CA, DD guns, planes etc
unkempt rampart
won't be as efficient but in time you can pick up some good CA, DD guns, planes ...
The Iris Libre event helped me tbh.
dark sun
tbh i think it's mostly the skills and gear holding you back, since strongholds arent too difficult (it's abyssals that suck butt)
unkempt rampart
Skills can be trained in due time, but gears are literally gating me.
I originally wanted to OpSi for Gear Labbing
dark sun
get more purple plates and upgrade your decent gears to +10
gear lab is a slow process and there's only a few gears that are really worth it tbh
steep nova
if you just to gear lab, clearing normal zones over and over again do the job
unkempt rampart
if you just to gear lab, clearing normal zones over and over again do the job
Does it? I thought it requires like gold stuff for the gear labs.
The guide made it sound like its extremely accessible
steep nova
you can get gold stuff from normal zones too
unkempt rampart
have you done all explorable zones yet, and hiddens
Not really. The stronghold just suddenly pops up
dark sun
you can change which thing you enter, hang on
unkempt rampart
Most of my plates are just going to Nagato atm
frigid obsidian
dark sun
unkempt rampart
I remembered asking a few weeks ago tho
If Yukikaze Ayanami and Noshiro be a good vanguard team
And a couple people said yes lmao
I went in on them with that idea
frigid obsidian
on paper it is, but context matters and especially who's answering lol
unkempt rampart
Because I wanted to build a Sakura centric team
sonic cloak
as said, its like half torpmeme (which is more manual/boss nuking) with a yukikaze strapped in there for no reason.
unkempt rampart
I thought Yukikaze is a good tank with high torps
sonic cloak
her torps are just ijn avg/ low end ijn.
unkempt rampart
Which is essentially a Torp meme I guess
Wut. Is this because Shimakaze, Noshiro and Ayanami knocked it out of the park?
sonic cloak
usually for 3rd in torp nuking, youd rather use a torp buffer. like tanikaze, jintsuu, naganami
No, just in general, yuki's torps arent that great by ijn standard.
unkempt rampart
I have none of those I think
sonic cloak
Like, not to joke at all, mutsuki has stronger torps than yuki.
unkempt rampart
RIIIIP
frigid obsidian
unkempt rampart
Was her torps always that bad?
I legit thought she was on the higher end 2 years ago
sonic cloak
Its good, but its ijn dd, those just have high torps in general, and yuki doesnt really stand out at all there
dark sun
Like, not to joke at all, mutsuki has stronger torps than yuki.
just bc of her torp command skill? cuz without that her torp stat is lower with same efficiency
dark sun
I legit thought she was on the higher end 2 years ago
2 years ago is a long time ago tbf
sonic cloak
yes. with that skill, she has 6 more torp stat than yuki 
unkempt rampart
2 years ago is a long time ago tbf
Well yeah. I stopped playing for a year lmao, when Shinano first came out
dark sun
hm so with mutsuki's torp command skill her torp is 538, while yuki is 532...so technically mutsuki is better i guess
frigid obsidian
not only did she got powercrept, I honestly think she was a bit "overhyped" back then?
dark sun
Heh
unkempt rampart
I'm surprised I managed to salvaged my half-assed fleet
frigid obsidian
she was really good for the pvp meta back then, and we didnt had as many good tanks as nowadays
dark sun
back then she was a solid mob tank bc there were a lot less options i think
sonic cloak
dd's just got so many good options nowadays, especially with the advent of poi and shima, yuki just fell really hard.
unkempt rampart
Especially the vanguard ones
I missed out Shimakaze RIP
I came back literally after Shimakaze
dark sun
the difference between good dd and bad dd nowadays is pretty huge so yea
unkempt rampart
And I haven't gotten Yuudachi yet
frigid obsidian
yeah, but even good ships are much weaker without proper gear. and the time you didnt play also means you missed out on a lot of research gear you would've gotten over time
unkempt rampart
I didn't know how much more gear we'd be getting tbh
Back then I only focused on getting helldivers
Then again back then I don't know what I was doing.
I haven't even gotten my first PR ship yet
frigid obsidian
most people still dont, as azur lane doesn't really punish you for it. most people get their reality check the first time they try strongholds or w13/14
unkempt rampart
I got my reality checked at D1 for Iris rerun
But there's only so much you could rush out
dark sun
my reality check was abyssals stronghold is kinda easy in comparison heh
unkempt rampart
My fleets certainly have significantly improved to the point where I can beat D3 for the first time
dark sun
also PR takes time, no need to rush or worry tbh
focus on getting bps for the ship you want since that'll take a lot longer than actually building the ship
unkempt rampart
How much BP is required for one?
dark sun
343 for pr, 513 for dr
frigid obsidian
dark sun
unkempt rampart
I think it's better for me to focus on gear first