#t-34-85 ch12 help
ornate island
gimme a sec
muted marten
okay so the key to ch12-13 is AA. that means bringing 3 to 5 carriers and having a good AA ship in each fleet.
ornate island
I have good bb just I don't have enough bulins to fully limitbreak them.And I also lack good heavy cruiser
warm finch
having air superiority at minimum is highly recommended for ch12/13 so yes ACV (from carriers) is a must
muted marten
I have good bb just I don't have enough bulins to fully limitbreak them.And I a...
if your ships are around that level, it may be premature to discuss ch12 honestly
rare flint
Those levels are iffy tbh, aren't enemies like 110?
heady flume
clearly just trying to get a jump on it to make sure they'll have the ships ready when they hit 12/13
warm finch
ok well eugen and nelson are not very good, though ch12 isnt too hard so you can consider using them still if you like them. Also your ships are definitely underlevelled
heady flume
just level a good amount of carriers and have a couple good BBs for bosses
ornate island
having air superiority at minimum is highly recommended for ch12/13 so yes ACV (...
So that mean illustrious gonna be good when I start entering chap 12
warm finch
go back to 11-1 and level up more 
muted marten
enty minnie sara sandy all worth raising to use in ch12+
heady flume
you don't necessarily need vanguard AA but it's a bit easier than having top CVs
warm finch
yeah illustrious brings fat acv and vanguard protection if that's what you need, although her surface dps is pretty low
muted marten
So that mean illustrious gonna be good when I start entering chap 12
she can be, yes, if you need the ACV and vanguard protection
ornate island
if your ships are around that level, it may be premature to discuss ch12 honestl...
Im trying to prepare early.
ornate island
she can be, yes, if you need the ACV and vanguard protection
so what carrier gonna be great.Btw should I bring unicorn in that chap as mob fleet healer?
heady flume
balance survivability, surface damage, and AA coverage. A lot of things work for 12/13. 14 is a whole other ball game
muted marten
if you don't have perseus, then yes, unicorn is good for mob healer.
heady flume
Unicorn is perfectly functional through to 13-4
muted marten
enty essex centaur are all very helpful in ch12-13. also independence retrofit can be a great ch13 mob flagship, assuming you have NJ in boss fleet.
warm finch
unicorn is quite good for plane hell since she's a solid vg healer and has fighters
ornate island
enty essex centaur are all very helpful in ch12-13. also independence retrofit ...
ah about that I missed NJ event
heady flume
Warspite is the answer, yes
muted marten
okay well indekai still useful if you want to raise her too
ornate island
Warspite is the answer, yes
its been 2 months since I start trying to get warspite and what I get, kent
heady flume
that tracks
warm finch
HEY SHIKIKAN
muted marten
how about aquila? her preload helps to clear mob trash quickly.
ornate island
that tracks
but sometimes ut give me someone else like duke of york or hood
heady flume
if they missed NJ event i doubt they were around for Aquila
ornate island
how about aquila? her preload helps to clear mob trash quickly.
im still quite new to AL.So I missed a lot of good event ship
muted marten
heady flume
sticking to base game, 2CV+Unicorn on mob and Warspite (or some other BB), DOY, and a CV on boss feat. sandy should work great for 12
muted marten
i like having a barrage BB on ch12 mob flagship personally. like richie perseus (or unicorn in your case) indekai
heady flume
Monarch's an option if you've spent catchup prints wisely
ornate island
Monarch's an option if you've spent catchup prints wisely
well good for me.I have all the things
heady flume
so far as 13 Monarch+Enty+Essex is a super common setup too
heady flume
balance survivability, surface damage, and AA coverage. A lot of things work for...
there's a good amount of give on 12 and 13. So long as you hit ACV, have the levels, and keep the above in mind you should be fine
ornate island
so far as 13 Monarch+Enty+Essex is a super common setup too
well im gonna use that while im crying not having 6 sr bulins and a single warspite to even retrofit her
heady flume
the bulins def. gatekeep early on that's fair
make sure you're doing exercises
it takes a while but eventually it becomes a decent source of bulin
ornate island
there's a good amount of give on 12 and 13. So long as you hit ACV, have the lev...
Can I see fleet example of that balancing
heady flume
uhhh i'll try and find some examples
ornate island
it takes a while but eventually it becomes a decent source of bulin
and also are sandy still good even after chap 12-13
heady flume
she can do some good work in 14 yet but i think there's just better options
ornate island
she can do some good work in 14 yet but i think there's just better options
like helena?
muted marten
sandy can do really well in ch14, but i personally didn't use her
helena same
my boss fleet ended up ditching her in ch14
because the issue wasn't doing enough damage to the boss, it was clearing the mob waves before the boss
but that's a long way off for you
helena is great in ch12-13
ornate island
my boss fleet ended up ditching her in ch14
If im right chap 14 require high evasion ships for less detection
muted marten
ehhhhh
that's what it's supposed to do
but in practice you just bring all the big guns and kill them before they kill you
ornate island
ah
heady flume
here's something that demonstrates you can rely on CVs alone if your fighters are good enough so long as you have heavy vanguard dps
barren shuttle
If im right chap 14 require high evasion ships for less detection
Chapter 14 is pein
You'll need a couple of 125 ships to touch that
heady flume
or you can bring more damage and tankier ships and have similar results
barren shuttle
And even then it's still not fun 
ornate island
or you can bring more damage and tankier ships and have similar results
what chap is that?13?
heady flume
that's 13-4 yeah.
muted marten
yeah
heady flume
then this is a more AA-heavy comp that also works
i ran a comp where only Unicorn had fighters and relied on Reno for AA and that worked too
demonstrating you have choices in 13 still whereas 14 it feels like only maybe 20 ships are actually viable
ornate island
wait ark royal is still good for that chap?
heady flume
with and without wyverns yes
muted marten
assuming you have enough air coverage elsewhere, of course.
ornate island
and also what ship that are good and are not in event that is good for chap 12-14 that should I try get other than warspite
muted marten
from this event? richie and jda, mostly.
heady flume
look for CVs with a lot of fighter slots and/or good efficiency mostly
Centaur, Essex, Enterprise, Independence, and so on
Illustrious can work, IJN carrier pairs are nice
Ark is generally more of a boss focused ship but she can do mobbing too. Generally takes high-end planes is the only concern
barren shuttle
The gameplay from 13 to 14 shifts. If 13 is AA focused 14 is evasion and lots of burst damage cause you're being bombarded on all sides with no breathing time
heady flume
rather think 14 trades AA focus for ASW focus and also throws backline pressure back on
relatively easy to get through 13 without backline heals where it's basically impossible in 14
ASW focus really only critical because fighting only BB nodes is suicide
muted marten
rip anyone trying to do ch14 without ryuuhou or perseus 
heady flume
they'll be back. or we'll get ships to band-aid the dum
warm finch
i think someone did it with unicorn but idk how 
heady flume
just manual smile
ornate island
and btw how to know that cv's have good fighters.The efficiency?
muted marten
number of fighters and efficiency, yeah
barren shuttle
My most consistent comp in W14. But even tho they're stacked that was not fun
muted marten
like indekai only has one fighter slot, but she has 4 fighters in that slot.
ornate island
are dd still a thing to use in chap 12-13?
muted marten
they require a little babysitting in ch12-13 but can be used just fine
they're more important in ch14
heady flume
DDs are fine in 12/13. Just build smart
this gonna sound wild but i've liked vittorio over fdg on mobs. Might actually pop fdg on boss and see what happens
gave fdg a fair shake and end up wanting to reset sorties more than w/ vv
ornate island
are fdg mostly good for bosses right?
heady flume
she's good at everything but for 14 most default her to mobs 'cause she's better than anyone else at it
super tanky BB, which actually matters there
warm finch
only ship with 10k+ base hp as of now 
also reduces self dmg taken as hp gets lower, too
ornate island
my flat brain currently trying to remember all of this
heady flume
it's definitely a lot. mostly the takeaway is 12 and 13 emphasize CVs and 14 is really really hard
ornate island
and im slowly dying after consuming unhealthy of coffee and cheese
heady flume
no such thing
ornate island
wait one thing.Are light armoured enemy are abundant in all of those chap
warm finch
i think ch12 is more medium focused?
ornate island
i think ch12 is more medium focused?
so I guess I need to use abusive amount of HE gun
pale marten