Don

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Yo

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post your dock here

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wait what

are you going to make one rn

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yea we'll help

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it's a dedicated thread since guides for fleet building are long

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oh wow ok

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God tf why discord

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what happened thor

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ima post all my elite+

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Since when do timestamps get a new line in threads?

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no don't sort

just levels

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huh

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Post all

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ok

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Sort by level or group them by VG/Backline only

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just lelve

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just level?

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don't touch the sorting at all

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k

5 mins pls

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take your time

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There's some very good rares and in beginning commons can be worth using as well, so makes no sense to filter them out

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no commons are over level 20

pretty muuch every rare is level 1 - 10

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Just send the pics^^

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it's alright

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ye wait

top to bottom

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also

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@lilac copper @stone zodiac @vapid slate

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what world are you at?

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i'm pushing but rn i'm at 7-1

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alright

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i don't plan on staying there tho

i'll probably stop at w10 or so

i have 5 surface fleet spaces and 2 sub fleet spaces but i only have 2 subs

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if you don't mind leveling some units

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Are you like out of gold?

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no i'm at an ok amount

like 20 kk or so

20k

i'm ok if you want me to level units as long as they are very good

or at least very good late game

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Then I'd MLB Enty or Warspite tbh

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i'm very low on bulins

but i'll give enty one lb

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You have 3 purins

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yes

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So put all three in Enty or put all 3 in WS

Don't mix tho

1 MLB is better than 3 1LB

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i have multiple high level bbs so ig i'll use them on enty

now what

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I see more high level CVs, but none of them are as good as Enty so it's fine

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@lilac copper are you awake

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ya

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anyway uhm

what do i do

any's amazon here

why

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anyways we'll probably gonna be running
Mobs:Amagi Uni Taihou/Sara
Boss: Warspite Tosa Enty

wdym amazon

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amazon point

wait wait

what about rodney

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you want to run rodney?

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yes

she does a ton of damage

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Alright

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Rodney isn't that good tbh

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but she gets mvp a lot

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Rodney Tosa Uni for mobs then

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amd i'm planning to cog awk her

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if Don likes her it's fine

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Well keep using her, she's high lvl^^

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and try to keep laffey somehwere too

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I also used Nelson until she hit 120

Well there's no vg yet, you don't have a lot of good vgs lvld

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i thought most of the high level vanguards were good

besides sims i had her because hammann

and z46

can you pin what i should do for each fleet

brb

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I'd say something like
mob Port Laffey Yukikaze
boss Chikuma Z46 uhh Takao?
Not sure

Just chose Port for mob cuz she's cheaper btw

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who's taco

and ziggy

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Taco = Takao, Ziggy = Leipzig

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wait z46 is good?

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Yes,

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she has horrible hp

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Thor, we should better use the proper name or abbreviation only whenhe's still new to the game

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i'm not that new

anymore

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Mobs: Rodney Tosa/Casa Uni - Port/Yuki Laffey Phoenix
Boss: Amagi Spite Enty - Chikuma Helena Cleve

also, ziggy is leipzigs name

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Dw, I'm teaching him those too now

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yeah

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Right

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i thought ziggy was leipzig

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Idk what I did there

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46 has never gone by ziggy

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Smarter than me

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even you got it wrong Thor

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wdym

i don't have leipzig

i wish i had atago

i build 3 heavy ships each day with no avail

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I meant Z46 lol, I meant you know the abbreviations better than me since I got it wrong

Takao is better than Atago anyway

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Atago lately is only waifu material, you only use her unless you don't have any better ships but that's it

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uhm

yes

waifu

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Anyway Raj's advice is focused more on the better fleet in the end with ships you have rn while my advice is more likely to work immediately without having to put much effort into leveling first I guess

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both are legit but if you don't want to change too much, go with Raj's build for now (though you may still get much better ships in the future)

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why are the recommended ships ones i don't plan on using ever

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like who

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How is Raj changing less than me?

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future ships like URs or, you know, PR/DR ships

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hold up

@lilac copper when was casablanca good

i was told to perm bench ages ago

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Before Indep got her retro

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what

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i didn't know she had a retro

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Dw about it Raj lol

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basically my mob fleet is the same except change enterprise for unicorn

i don't want to change fusou meta because she's a meta

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She's 🚮 though

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and has a lot of cool side effect gun things

really?

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But if you want to keep her for her looks, do your thing^^

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remove fusou and keep enterprise

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Fuusou isn't good, she's the worst in all META ships and obviously can't compare with many SR ships

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is that ok

rodney should be boss fleet tbh

she does like 10 k per salvo

like each 3 shots

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Uhh I'd rather keep Rodney in mobs and put Enty in boss, their skills are more suited for that

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enty has a ton of damage output too

ok

Mobs: Rodney Tosa/Casa Uni - Port/Yuki Laffey Phoenix
Boss: Amagi Spite Enty - Chikuma Helena Cleve

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I mean it will work the other way around too, but...

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so

Mobs: Rodney/flag idk can you change/bottom Uni/top - Port/tank Yuki/middle Laffey/offtank
Boss: Amagi/flag Spite/top Enty/bottom - Chikuma/tank change pls/middle change pls/offtank

i don't want to use helene or cleve idk why

helena

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Switch Ykk and Laff

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wait what

but yuki tanks less than laffey

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And you will use Helena

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i checked their stats

why helena

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Ehh no

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You want to factor in also the EVA stats, not just HP or DEF

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Because Helena is the most op buffer the game has

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yuki takes more damage than laffey

ik laffey has more eva too

what buff

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Helena's first skill increase the damage enemies taken for 10s

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Ykk is most definitely more tanky than Laffey

Ships' strength is greatly defined by their skills most of the time

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ok

fime

fine

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YKK's tankiness partly comes from her second skill: When taking damage, 5% (25%) chance to decrease said damage to 1. At the start of battle, increases own Luck stat by 5.

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can someone change bottom main for mob fleet

i don't really feel comfortable using casa again

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If you don't wanna use Casa, why not Tosa?

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is she good

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They're both good^^

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Tosa for barrage, her barrage could clear screen beautifully

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i don't like super rares since they chew up my protptype bulins

should i use 30 exp data packs on tosa

to keep up level

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You'll get enough of them at some point

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i just realized tosa is a neko

yep

i'm using her

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yes or no

i have 300 - 400

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you can use your xp pack if your ships are underleveled

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Then sure

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you'll get them at much faster rate later on with leveled Lecture Hall anyway

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i just used 80

now for boss fleet

wait quick question

should mob fleet be the first one

or 2nd

or 3rd 4th 5th

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Doesn't matter too much, but 1st one is most convenient

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k

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whichever is fine, as long as you remember what the fleet's purposes are

I'm running to work, cya

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bye

now boff fleet

boss

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Cuz maps often default back to giving you fleet 1 fleet 2

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Boss: Amagi/flag Spite/top Enty/bottom - Chikuma/tank change pls/middle change pls/offtank

change and does this look ok

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Mmh not sure about Amagi there

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@lilac copper recommended it

i could use 100 exp data packs

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Not that she's bad lol

Yeah it's fine

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should chikuma be a tank

ik amagi is good

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Just had to look at mob fleet again to make sure there was no ship better suited for boss than Amagi there

Chikuma is a great tank

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ye i've seen

how about my middle and offtank

what do i do

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Why don't you wanna use Helena and Cleve?^^

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i don't really like them because of their low stats

cleve is ok

but i thought of her as waifu purposes only

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so

is there anyone you don't want to use

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also because helena keeps talking about how weak she is

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If you don't dislike them for waifu reasons, use them, they're strong

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yes but if you really insist tyhat i should use trhem

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oh just wait till your retrofit her or buy her a skin

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helena has a retrofit????

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she's a happy girl

yea

she gains a lot of confidence

and in her skins, she's adorbs

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what about cleve

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what about her

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uhm is she good

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she's confidence, she's really lovely when you oath her uh

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and why/how

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yea she's good

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i can't oath

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great stats, gunboat

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i'm broke

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lmao

the cleveland class as a whole have great stats and dmg output

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Tankiness isn't too shabby and she deals great dmg^^

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well the problem is that i got helena like 5 times from build and retired all of them

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mhm i used her as a boss tank for opsiren and until w13

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so i'm stuck with none

cleveland has 2

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I'm sorry Raj, I've started comparing all tanks with like Ägir

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You didn't get Helena 5 times from build tho, she's drop only

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are you sure

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But umm yeah you should've LBd her instead

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i had 5 copies

either way i still had 5

but they're all gone

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I am 100% sure

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she was in build thor

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so we can forget about it

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Did she only get removed just now?

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i did use cleveland at one point

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yeh

can see on the wiki page too

hassat did the change

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Ah yeah

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should i speedrun helena retrofit

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Nah her retro isn't important except for her confidence

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she's a low priority retro

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wait i can't

need another bulin

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But yeah just get those levels and MLBs done and you're all set

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use 2 bulins for 4 star

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If you still have guild tokens, you can also buy some dupes there

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?

OH YEAH

SHE'S IN GUILD

i could easily farm

helena and cleve

should i craft all my gear from depot to help with my lack of good gear

i'll put gear on soon

gtg eat dinner