#alter opsi help
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i thought you said you had work to do
i do 
why are you here
Some stuff to know straight off; one fleet should be for mobs, another should only have battleships, and another should only have carriers.
have some random ones i put awhile back
im actually not joking im pretty new to op si lol
I'm gonna assume you don't have Perseus?
nope, sadly missed the event
That's okay, just good to know
hmm
at your point, you might just want to make two fleets and do everything up to C5; and just farm those
I see Abyssals/Strongholds, and maybe some parts of C6 stages being a little challenging
C5s have cat nodes which have a chance to drop gear lab blueprints and equipment, which you can use to craft better gear for your ships. I'd say Tigercats are the most worth getting early on, but there's other good equips to build too that can help you out.
opsiren definitely won't be a focus for a little while
all the gear lab stuff appearently i need to do op si so im looking into it now
Yeah, the best you should be able to do fight away is just finish the story, clear the map if you can, and then just farm the stages that are "corrosion level 5" and just do those.
I honestly can't really think more than one decent fleet for OpSi out of what you have right now, but that won't go too far
Eventually you should get quite a few coins and the purple currency, and use that to buy out the shop.
eventually, yeah
later on
3 you can get away with, but 4 is highly recommended
certain stronghold/abyssal bosses you will need that 4th fleet for
or else have fun suffering.
Riche, Unicorn, Formi for main, San Francisco, Laffey, San Diego for vanguard
but what would you make the second fleet, I'm struggling
Enty, Helena and Portland.. but what around that?
looking at like
port helena sandy nj enty formi for one fleet
richy ryuuhou uni sf laffey noshi for another
mhm
hard to make some focused fleets yet
problem here is the half-dedication to many ships, instead of fully limit breaking one ship
i keep maxing out their exp so i end up spreading bulins evenly
New Jersey is your closest to max LB from your rainbows, you should absolutely max LB her first
im 1 away from it and prob can get 1 more in a week
i think i gonna spend my bulins on shima after
but ATM for gold bulins im going
shinano would probably be a better investment first before shima but
Shima should be fine, but you'll have to slam two bulins on her to make her useful
Shinano needs to be max LB'd to be useful
she gets +1 on all planes at her last LB
oh
so she's gonna be missing lots of planes till that
so thats why she doesnt do as much dmg huh
yeap, a lot of damage is tied to limit breaking
losing a lot of dmg without all stars
carriers have planes, BBs have their main gun salvos
yeah you should limit break any ship whenever possible. It's not really worth saving oil
well, backlines anyways
and more than anything, focus a ship you want to use, don't just throw bulins around carelessly
Noshiro>tashkent>ryuuhou>nagato? probably somewhere around my list of LB priorities for gold
you'll benefit much more from single max lb than 3 ships with 1 lb on them
not doing so they're missing extra salvos and airplanes. I'd recommend that early on just focusing on 6 ships
until you get to like; chapter 9-ish, when you can efficiently farm XP and stuff, leveling ships is complete hell. Though I'd at least get the 6 ships you decide on to level 115, that was about where I was when I finished the OpSi map with little issue.
full team of 115?
Noshiro > Nagato > Ryuuhou is what I'd argue
Yeah, that's what I was using. I imagine seeing as you have better ships than I did; 110 would be okay
Ryu is more a healer than anything, you don't necessarily need her to be max LB
C6 stages are just a pain
so should i wait to do opsi later then?
honestly, you just need to level up your fleet first
Nah, you're at a point where I think you could do everything up to C5 just fine.
you might need to heal after every battle on C5, but I feel like you could do it.
after you're confident with two max LB fleets, then take over OpSi
It's definitely worth doing for gear.
but yeah, depends how rough you want to take it
as Draggo said, you possibly can do it
should i just blast these on characters like shima?
but it may be rough
I guess if you end up having trouble with C5, C4 should be no issue for you.
Just; it's a lower chance for cat node drops.
If you are gonna focus on Shimakaze, then sure, though she's gonna require a lot of coins to max limit break and it's an even bigger issue if you don't have 4 Ultra rare bulins
I'd say to use the XP packs on some of the ships we already mentioned. Or ships you could easily max.
im just grinding regular map and going through it atm
Get to chapter 9 at least, because once you clear that stage; you get the oil cap stuff that makes farming XP a lot more efficient.
a lot more efficient
If you can do chapter 10, then do it too. W11 is the most efficient XP for oil, but I feel like you'd struggle with it right now.
11-1 is the best for experience right now, but even getting to chap 9 would be great for exp grinding
Yeah w9 has been a godsend for new players, because it gets rid of potentially months of grinding to get to a point to start doing more challenging content
btw is this where i change fleet for op si? i can never find the button lol
for how the new farming works starting w9, there is a hard cap for how much oil you will use per battle
go to a blue port
ORDER button
fleet deployment
go to one of the blue ports, hit the button that says "order"; and then hit "fleet deployment"
🐌
example 9-1, no matter how thicc your fleet is, you'll only ever use 27 oil on mob enemies, and 37 oil on boss
ahh 
oo
my fleets use like 50-70 oil atm lol
When you max limit break it gets way worse
Current fleet
especially once you start getting all these good endgame type of ships
Yeah, PR ships iirc cost the most oil
currently im going for azuma as PR ship
prs drs urs
but still need 1/2 more tech points 
Do you have Monarch?
FDG 19 oil I think alone?
nope but i havent just really been interested in her character myself
If you don't have Monarch or Gascogne, I don't recommend focusing Azuma, I made that mistake and I promise you; I'm 18 months into the game and shes still not dev level 30
Though admittedly I was mostly doing C research for a long time
I'm about 2½ years into the game and I just got mine maxed, lol
im mainly getting azuma for the character+ i have a skin for her
Monarch is a ship that will make a massive impact on your fleet.
Monarch is pretty good for progression, yeah, but her last gun mount is behind Dev 30
Same with Gascogne, but she kind of needs fate simulation 5 to be most effective, but after catchup thats only like.... 200-ish blueprints/
she's fine without fs5
Yeah
I'd say after Monarch catchup to focus on gascogne, because you can just get free blueprints for Monarch to dev 30 her. w9 also gives a ton of coins, so you could just buy like... 7 blueprints for Monarch a day to get her to dev 30 after catchup.
Or just do 2 free ones and that's it, that's also fair.
i can probably work on monarch while getting tech points for azuma at the same time right?
It's okay if you're just going to work on Azuma to get her, just she takes a ton of time to invest in.
I'd say you can, Sakura empire has a lot of good vanguards worth using. Though You might also need tech for Gascogne too, which admittedly will be quite difficult.
iirc she needs iron blood tech points, and I had trouble getting iron blood ships early on
my gascogne tech
You're close enough then nvm
my iron blood ships
I'm not saying Azuma is bad or anything, I just know from experience she is a long investment, and for newer players it's better to work on ships you can get easily.
idk why a few of my purple and blue ones are gone
I mean, some of them aren't locked
Z36 isn't atleast
so you may have accidently scrapped them
You have my 3 ships I used to farm for her, I'm sure once you get done limit breaking the ships you are gonna use for w9 and stuff, you could fully limit break Bismarck/Graf/Tirpitz for gascogne.
Those three are who I used to farm XP for her
heres my IJN ships atm
I'm glad I am not at that point anymore, where there isn't 50 things I need to focus on.
problem still persists that we'd need to make up a fleet here, this is just more bulin sinks
Wait... how is Shinano 105 at only 3 stars?
URs don't require LB to go forward in levels
Are you on the JP/Cn server? iirc the limit breaking is different there
im on EN
ohhh I didn't actually know that
it's same system as with PR ships
thanks for the info.
you don't need to reach the star levels on dev to get them beyond it
Yeah I knew that; just didn't know it applied to UR's too
since she has no limit
I don't recommend trying to go for shima right away, unless you plan on not using Shinano for a while
I'd say its worth focusing Shima over Shinano, because Shima is just that good, but maybe use those EXP books on ships you can level right now and use.
the thing with Shima, she can become usable at two LBs
which is when she gets her first preloaded torps
Shinano must get to max LB before she's useful due to her planes being behind that
maybe shima LB2 then work on shinano?
hmm
These are the 6 ships I think would be good to use rn given your circumstances. I suppose most max limit break ships would be fine to use right now
those should be able to do alright as a fleet
Just all 6 of those are really good ships so that's why I recommend them.
enty over NJ?
NJ isn't Max limit broken
i can maxLB NJ in a week
New Jersey is ridiculous ship once you get her to max LB
if that's the case, I'd say that you could replace her with Unicorn unless you have trouble with survivability
these 3 are my last quests
the thing with most battleships is this
Still worth leveling Unicorn though so yeah... I am a tad torn on who you'd replace her with. Riche is extremely good, so is Enterprise, and Unicorn is someone I think is definitely worth leveling for you so yeah haha
their 3rd salvo is behind the last limit break
so if it's purely gun focused BB, it's missing 1/3 of its damage till last limit break
Yeah
NJ is honestly a decent ship already after first LB, she's more a hybrid barrage ship than pure gun boat
Once you do max her I guess you could replace Riche with her until you get to a point where you could start leveling Richelieu again
so as long as you have her barrage skill maxed, she will be ok
but she'll truly start to shine at max LB
I'm really not sure who would be the best ship to remove for her. I guess it's your preference, but Enty is a ship that is gonna be amazing at all stages of the game so I feel like leveling her is a great investment
swap ryuuhou instead of unicorn once shes leveled?
shes my mob fleet for overworld atm
so shes getting alot of EXP
You can I guess, Unicorns healing is targeted so it's a little bit better.
Ryuuhous is random, which is probably fine for anything before w10, but it could end up meaning disaster if you get bad rng or something.
Ryuu isn't random, she targets lowest HP
Ohhh yeah, nvm
"each heal targeting the allied surface ship with lowest percentage of remaining HP"
I shouldn't say anything because I haven't used her. I'm sorry.
np, better to get corrected so you know how it works
is it necessary to have a aircraft carrier? can i just run Riche/NJ/Healer for main?
but honestly, I wouldn't even mind running both Ryuu and Unicorn
Riche is hella strong battleships on her own right for mobbing
she could carry little lower damage from Ryuu and Uni
Carriers are really good, so it really doesn't matter, but when you do get to world 12/13 you will want carriers
ill start slotting in unicorn in mob for exp now
W10/11 you'll want battleships but Entys damage is so good it is worth using her in a boss fleet if you can get by with it.
carriers are pretty good in mobbing fleets imo, but bosses... well, it really depends on a boss
carriers are terrible at dealing with light armor bosses
Yeah
mobs though they usually do good because the sb2c helldiver is great with multiple targets
and fighters are helping with AA
Yeah
I know you need to focus on the ships we mentioned, but you should try getting core data and getting Independence if you don't have her, she's very good at mobbing.
Inde is ridiculous at mobbing
She's good in both fleets honestly
not to mention she buffs other carriers cross-fleet
but seems like mobbing is pref for her
and she can get away not using Wyvern too which is really hard plane to get
also op si needs 2 fleets atm for me no?
it starts with 2 fleets, 4 fleets later
Rn I'd just say use the ships I mentioned
1 fleet only?
One fleet would be okay for everything up to C5, at least; was for me, and that's how you can farm for gear lab stuff
Riche/Enty/Uni Main, SanF/Helena/Port vanguard
that'll be your fleet 1
for second fleet, I guess you could put together Nagato/NJ/Formidable and Noshiro/Laffey/Sandy?
Fleet 2 would be like; ships to deal with some of the bosses in the map stages, mostly just C5/C6 ones to make them less of a nuisance, when you get to that point; Helena and Enty will be who you'd want to swap to the second fleet, in replacement of two other ships you decide to level when you get to that point
but that'd be something you need to spend time on leveling too
Eventually you'll have better fleet comps so like... Fleet 1 would be mobbing, Fleet 2 would be all battleships, and Fleet 3 would be all carriers.
and Fleet 4 for torpedo memes
Fleet 4 being like; torpedo ships, squid fleet, whatever.
Yes
that'll what you'll transition to over time
Fleet 2, 3 and 4 are boss
A better way to word it is; they're for different types of bosses
i see
Some bosses are weak to carriers, some battleships, and some torpedos
interesting
Yeah that's why 4 fleets is ideal
is order correct or?
usually event maps or whatever let me move ships to flagship position or whatever so this is a bit unfamiliar
You put both Riche and Nagato in flag too which is good.
my fleets from OpSi as examples
should i bother with the cats
you can move the ships within the fleet when you're out of that screen
my 4th fleet is kind of a mess rn
my fleet 1 is just leveling up stuff + Perseus atm
You should at least have cats so yeah; there's these little nodes that have paw prints that your cats go to and get you equipment, in C5 you have a decent chance to get some really good stuff from them, which is why people recommend farming them
C5 being these stages
you could prolly have Sandy as the tank of Fleet 2, she's higher level, should be able to do the job bit better till you get Noshiro up and running
there shouldn't honestly be any kind of problems with pushing to Chapter 9 with these two fleets
so you would be able to get to start proper exp grinding too
Chap 9 is only lvl 88-95
fleet 2
mm, those should be fine enough
Looks good yeah
Riche is going to demolish most of the mobs anyway
yeah haha
enty + formi is alright combination to actually get things to hit on bosses
would personally prefer Ark over Formi, but hey, have to do with what you have
Does Formidable have a slow?
also i should probably get this right.. 
its 100% on strike 1 though
Interesting 
how do i not have sandy copies lol
Now I know I should level Formidable then, thanks.
at lvl 8 its 73% for me
I'll be damned, it's actually 80%
I swear, near everything in this game is 70% so I just had that at back of my head
lol
but yeah, still unreliable
Only in Azur Lane can 80% be unreliable haha
not to mention it only lasts for 1,5 seconds, so planes have barely time to get to drop their load in that time
It sounds really hard to time
Ark Royal has guaranteed 60% slow for 8 seconds
- the gambler's 25% to deal double damage
Yeah... makes it even worse that I want to avoid using her; when her skill is way better than anyone elses slow
should i just +10 albacore since its her BIS?
I'd max your other barracudas if you could
and 80% can be called unreliable after you go through 5 META fights with Helena not proccing a single time at any of those fights
barracuda>albacore?
and she had 15 chances on that 60% roll
Barracuda is best non-gear lab/research torp bombers yes.
^
don't take that list as "higher is always better"
Yeah they're ordered weird
torpedo bombers especially are situational
Like.... Most vanguards are geared like "best to worst HE/Best to worst AP/Best to worst normal" etc
heavy cruisers are the only ships where there is "literally best in all situations"-gun
and it's the rainbow Drake gun
i should actually give my better equipment for planes on enty right
for all the rest of the classes, guns are situational
CL's have that too
Seattle gun is the best no matter what iirc, unless a certain CL wants a different gun like Neptune. Though Neptune is p bad so
CL's have effectively a side-grade gun, but overall that's true
Though realistically CA's don't have that luxury because Drake gun is big pain to obtain
also true
Maybe less of a pain than most UR equips because you'll probably want to focus on Pr3 gear at some point
is it normal for formi to have higher AVI than enty with lower gear?
Yeah, Enty's dmg is her skill though
Her skill is gonna be very, very difficult to power creep
new ships tend to be better stats to make them look better
but Enty has Lucky E that keeps her very relevant even still
yeah
70% chance to do double damage.
Formi also has heavy armor
Yeah, so she has different weaknesses too
wild torpedo appears
Kinda sad armor doesn't make a huge difference in this game unless it's what the enemies armor has
She's got a niche but I am not exactly sure what it is. She'd be good for that niche.
Louis kind of needs Riche in her fleet
she's exceptionally good at dealing with light armor targets
but that's about her shining point
ohhh she good for light armor, so yeah, she's pretty useful in those scenarios
atm i barely have tanks too so... yeah..
Portland is a hella good tank
San Fran is even better
Prinz Eugen too but good luck getting damage out of her 
Sanrui isn't much of a tank herself. She can tank, but you have better options so
Prinz Eugen used to have the biggest ass health pool of CAs but Anchorage dethroned her
kasumi is a good tank
Yeah she is too
Anchorage beat her in the top department too
.
but yeah, don't use Eugen like; ever unless shes a waifu or something
for a moment I was gonna ask questions but then I realized you meant DoA Kasumi
she was early game character i used back then
I kind of wish retro fit Eugen, but I'm honestly clueless what they should give her
That's ok, I did that too
her kit is just so out of date by now
She's gonna be hard to make good from just a retro I think

btw I had her in fleet 4 because testing
they'd need to absolutely give her a proper buff on damage department, new skill and also buff the shield skill
I had Fumo/Twin 134mm on her, and had an underleveled Ning Hai outdamaged her
I started after the hololive one I think
rip
I gotta check
they dont even rerun collabs too
you can check when you started?
I started before the Quincy event I think because I remember that loading screen with her and the other two ships of that event
yeah on the anni you get a screen that shows your start date
I gotta find the event after Quincy Rerun
i think i took pic hmm
i remember i joined during first shoukaku event i think?
that would've been 2018 then?
I'm guessing I joined during the Sandy retrofit re-run or the Air raid drills with Essex thing
yeah appearently 2018 
The event before was Skybound Oratorio 
wait; I HAD to have joined during Nagato re-run
mildly getting sidetracked
tangent
just a little
I'm not sure what else to say since you have no more questions, but I do wish the best of luck for you.
i think i just need to grind now 
time to get to exp grinding
when im busy and not playing game much
its fine you dump it into food, just make sure you only use it on naval curry
okay good
*squints*
That's the only good advice I remember getting from Ender lol
I've been trying to progress in w14 today
Ander? The Youtube guy sorry haha
I've lost 8k to 14-1 and now leveling ships because I know I am not ready for 14-3 
id like to experience high level world map too now
thats why im running through it
seems cool
world 14
You'll be a LONG while before W14
W13 will be a challenge though, seeing as you lack AA carries
the hiding thing goes with evasion
your fleet comps look like they might struggle without that, you should get by okay though
full DD fleet takes forever to get exposed and properly shot at
i heard sandy just carries in 13 wasnt it?
She did for me, but apparently Reno does better
reno?
Vestal and Akashi do alright as AA carriers too
sandy gives 60% aa buff to everyone
She's an event ship, I saw someone use her the other day and she was way better than Sandy in his runs
or some bs high number
also if reno is mvp stealing cause AA note sandy gives everyone AA meaning ppl are taking damage away from sandy
so thats misleading
i have sandy so shouldnt it be fine whenever i get to W13 with ships leveled
He had Reno and Sandy both in an absolute dogshit AA composition, and with Sandy; like; 3 of his ships died, and Reno; they all survived convincingly
Idk; I kinda doubt it too
but eh... Reno still is good. I need to check if Allen M Sumner can AA carry.
you will need more than just Sandy
pain
Sandy will probs be who I recc for boss
Sandy can take care of most of the AA job, yeah, but you'll also need something to actually kill the mobs
if you don't think you'd get Cheshire very soon, you can always get Isuzu from 7-3
health pools on enemies start to skyrocket starting Chap12
and so does the number of waves
W14 seems to have like; endless waves 😦
14-3 has submarines too :3
3 star battleships are like; at least 4. I was so occupied I couldn't count them
saw new orleans picture announced, got excited, only to be slapped in the face with 14-4 drop
for w14 you'll have to learn how to manual properly too
Yeah, if they announce a new chapter and they tease a new ship; they'll probs be locked to that chapter
oh yeah
trouble with manually evading most of the stuff
speaking of subs
Thankfully doesn't seem like New Orleans is THAT good, so it's okay you'd be missing out for a while
my subs are a joke
Archerfish is cool, you could get the sub from the exercise shop and have a semi decent pairing.
Surcouf is just a waifu and i-58 is p bad XD
I mean, enemies have subs
default
so you have to deal with those too
yeah, at least you have Surcouf; she's my fave, if they ever do Submarine retrofit; shes who I want to get one
you can't really ignore them in w14
they deal a lot of crash damage, not to mention revealing back line
Which event was the hedgehog gear?
which will get turned to minched meat in w14 if they get spotted
I am pretty sure hedgehog was Shinano event but I can't remember
hedgehog was from Supply Line Raid? I don't remember that. I guess I recall just randomly getting it and not knowing where it came from haha
That's pretty much mandatory though
Maybe the other ASW stuff from gear lab maybe would help
That's good, it's very helpful
Hedgehog is honestly hilarious in w14
because the enemy concealment thing
where your shots will be inaccurate
also applies to ASW weaponry
full concealed submarine, and Hedgehog will shoot it bombs around the whole damn screen
I laughed so hard when it first happened
as for what submarines are, they're additional 3 girl fleet you can call to the fight for a short while
and they will yeet torpedoes at the enemy for a little while
resurface and shoot a couple of times with DD guns
and then retreat
ah
btw what world do cats kinda be really needed
might need to research that tmrw '
cats aren't exactly needed, you should more concider them as small additional buff
it's more important to get the girls up and running than getting cats
hmm
there is a couple of traits that can be very useful tho
if you happen to get a cat with them
Two of mine have Damage reduction so yeah
also getting a good specialized cat can be a ok buff
it's not a huge bonuses, concidering that carriers have like +700 AVI from all the gear and stats, but small buff
if you haven't gotten dupes for the legendary cats to level up their skills, those two are honestly just something you could slap to the fleets for the % buffs, regardless what else they buff
damage reduction to mob fleet and damage buff to boss fleet
getting the just perfect talents for the cats is loooooooong process
that said, I'm really happy with this Steel
each 5 levels
they get talent point
and you'll use that to either buff one of the existing talents, or getting a new talent
you always have 4 choices, but the choices generated are random
sometimes it just gives you 4 new talents to choose from even tho your other talents aren't maxed yet
how do i level them up btw?
comf-fort, which is in the cattery
you put the cat in the fort and it'll get exp over time
then you get experience whenever the fleet your cat is in, takes part in battle
and lastly you can feed fodder cats to your cat and they gain portion of the experience the fodder cats had
you also need duplicates of the same cat to improve the skill they have
like this?
similiarly as limit breaking is with ships
you can ofc also use lvl 1 cats as fodder
it's just not much exp that you get out of them
those are the 4 options you get
since it's Oscar, you prolly want to go with BB buffing on her
these all random or something
^
mb
just had same 2 choices twice in a row earlier
alright well thanks for all the help so far, its getting late so imma head off now.

glad to be of help~




