#goat help
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thing is personally i hate using nagato + CV pair on mobs cause no backline healer
patent kernel
Ola, post yer dock
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and if you are using akaga its mob oriented
hushed kite
Ola, post yer dock
Stuck in update, so can't
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old thorn
rugged zephyr
Nagato + cv pair 
hushed kite
mean it's tried an true
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nagato + bunnies or nagato + cranes is amazing boss
but like nagato + akaga is mainly old pvp
hushed kite
hasn't failed me yet for boss nodes
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you manual player or auto player?
hushed kite
But yeah. So far my plan is Jintsuu, Yukikaze, and one other I forget
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cause if you manual you could easily slot in some torp meme
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Or if u played long enough and have shinano, nagato + shinano + taihou
hushed kite
Manual usually
rugged zephyr
Ehhh
hushed kite
but when I play at work I switch to auto
hushed kite
nagato + shinano + shoukaku
Don't have best floof Shinano sadly
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U dont want to fill ur screen with planes?
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its fine
so for nagato + akaga, you could run noshiro ayanami jinstuu vanguard
on manual boss
patent kernel
but when I play at work I switch to auto
You might want multiple vg's then. Jintsuu+torpers are only worth using on manual.
On auto you want more gun/barrage oriented ships
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yeah
hushed kite
yeah I get that much
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yukikaze isn't really worth using in torp meme
hushed kite
I'm almost always on Manual tbh
hushed kite
As much as Duca is good for torping, I wanted to stick to purely IJN for maximizing Nagato skill
I'm weird like that
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full faction fleets preform worse than mixed faction fleets btw
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patent kernel
Noshi+aya+jintsuu.
You can even mix it up with Ibuki+Noshi+Kagerou/Tanikaze once in a while. The peak damage is lower than ayanami, but it's still stupid high and adds variety
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kasumi might be better than kagerou now
hushed kite
are those acquirable?
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for ijn torp bombs
hushed kite
I tend to shy away from events
hushed kite
so I have like next to no event ships
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problem is ijn vanguard outside events is kinda subpar
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Why????
patent kernel
Noshiro was in the event shop, basically free
unreal vapor
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Why no event ships???
hushed kite
I didn't say no event ships. Just very few
unreal vapor
Get Jintsuu i guess
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already has jint i believe
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chinese ships are generally extremely bad or extremely niche
and don't fit into the IJN fleet you want
hushed kite
but yeah I try to stay away from events, so the limitations are:
• Only IJN
• Has to be regularly-accessible
• for boss node on manual 99% of the time
• should work with Nagato support skill
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aya and jintsuu are given
patent kernel
Kagerou and Ibuki are non-event.
Ayaya and Jintsuu are non-event.
You're really only missing someone that can tank decently
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its manual so thats negligable to an extent
hushed kite
yeah rarely if ever drop anywhere near half-health on any ship
in that case a CL or DD that can work with the others would be nice. To increase overall vanguard ship speed
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you could run kagerou aya jinstuu
but thats seems really frail
you got naganami?
hushed kite
???
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based off that reaction im assuming no
shes the skunk girl
you could use her instead of kagerou
hushed kite
nope
patent kernel
Kage, Aya, Jintsuu is good
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yeah
hushed kite
like I said next to no event ships. No IJN event shipgirls for sure.
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but note that kagerou aya jintsuu will not work on auto unless the boss is extremely underlevel compared to you
patent kernel
He's going manual anyways
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yeah kagerou is a map drop so should be fine
hushed kite
So Kagerou, Ayanami, Jintsuu?
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yeah
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i have no idea since all 3 are pretty much equally frail 
you might have to test it on your own
hushed kite
So just dodge I guess.
patent kernel
As a side note, if you can run the cranes instead of akaga, it will probably be better. They do more damage, and Shoukaku will buff vanguard damage too
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yeah with this comp you gotta dodge like almost everything
also what flower said ^^ zuikaku + shoukaku is better than akaga for bossing
hushed kite
As a side note, if you can run the cranes instead of akaga, it will probably be ...
I refuse on principle to give up my favorite shipgirl Kaga.
hushed kite
I already generally nuke if I hold on Akaga torps
between the two of them avg. level is like 80 for 7-2?
forget if it's 6-2, 7-2, or 8-2 I'm on.
but am willing to put aside time to grind up shipgirls I don't have to match existing fleet
with iirc is
Akagi / Nagato / Kaga
Belfast / Helena / Köningsberg
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koningsberg is bad
hushed kite
I don't have another shipgirl with Reload Command: Cruisers, or an equivalent, afaict
Prob do, but just haven't noticed yet
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reload command skills are generally pointless
esp for vanguard
since vanguard reload is scuffed due to game formulas and math reasons
hushed kite
Mean it's worked so far.
patent kernel
Especially not if it means using konigsberg
hushed kite
Exactly, reason I asked to improve nagaka comp
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yeah running torp meme gives you the most benefit as a manual player
patent kernel
Technically you can manual all the way till 13-4 with lv1 mutsuki. doesn't make it a good idea
Plus IJN fleet with torps is just pog
hushed kite
So to reiterate... Jintsuu, Ayanami, and Kagerou?
I do have both Takao and Atago, fwiw.
that much I remember
patent kernel
You can swap kagerou and put takao in the front if you feel like you're dying too fast. But Kagerou comp will do more damage
hushed kite
beyond that no idea what IJN ships I have for frontline
ok. Will go with that, and see how it works. Once update finally finishes for me.
One last thing
Sendai in place of Jintsuu? Love the appearance of Sendai so much more than Jintsuu
And need to justify using her over Jin.
hushed kite
Is it because of her second skill?
patent kernel
Yeah
And even Jintsuu's first skill is just a better version of Sendai's first skill.
2nd skill increases that gap to stupid levels
hushed kite
Lemme rephrase then. Can a max-level comp, but with Sendai in place of Jintsuu, work reliably in zone 13?
That is to say, Nagaka comp, with Sendai, Ayanami, and Kagerou in vanguard
hushed kite
I know you said that. But the odds of doing so decrease exponentially if you don't avoid every shell in existence.
point being, can said comp work, assuming I try to avoid as much shells as I can?
patent kernel
Yeah, Sendai will make the fights noticeably longer. It depends on how confident you are in your ability to survive the longer fights
hushed kite
oh pretty good.
especially since I end up nuking bosses as they are now
so long as I hold on torps, the actual boss in said boss node usually dies instantly
patent kernel
8-2 boss and 13-4 boss are drastically different
hushed kite
yes I get this. I would expect it to be.
We'll see how it goes
I'll use Sendai, but will work up Jintsuu in case it appears to not work out as I want it to.