New Player needing help with fleetbuilding and making progress

[grizzled oasis]

I'm level 35, trying to to get to level 40 to unlock Ch6 and a returning player from about 4 years ago.

if I need to send my elite ships as well I can

[fiery lava]

At what story chapter?

[fallow vale]

This is fine to get through w9 and farm the event

[fiery lava]

First of all 1 fleet until chap9

[fallow vale]

Just don't retrofit Warspite

[grizzled oasis]

I'm working on retrofitting Uni rn

[fallow vale]

and don't invest much of anything into a 2nd fleet for the time being

[grizzled oasis]

but nothing to grind other than event

[fiery lava]

Don't split exp until get oil cap at w9

[grizzled oasis]

since I'm stuck on level cap

[fallow vale]

Also drop any ship you can't max limit break

[grizzled oasis]

I have tons of Bullins

no Purins though

so I don't think I can mlb anyone

other than the ones I've already done

which are Kotori and Warspite

[fallow vale]

Then start replacing them with lower rarity ships you can mlb

Portland for your tank, Helena

Z23

[fiery lava]

Use your retro resources on Unicorn and Portland. Focus research on Anchorage

[grizzled oasis]

these are my elite ships currently

I'm not too familiar with which ones are good

[fiery lava]

Second fleet will be smth Enterprise, Saratoga...

[grizzled oasis]

what research are you referring to

PR?

[fiery lava]

Yes

[grizzled oasis]

which PR is Anchorage on?

[fallow vale]

Could also get Saratoga leveled on the side

Do not do PR4 research focus

[grizzled oasis]

yeah I've always been confused about PR

they're good ships but apparently take a lot of work to get

also not sure which ones do go for if I do

[fallow vale]

Well you're not at a stage where you should really focus on them

[grizzled oasis]

right makes sense

well since I'm level capped on campaign, should I just grind the event stuff for now?

try get as many Kurumis as I can?

while aiming to retrofit Uni and Portland

[fallow vale]

pretty much

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/research-focus

also for future reference

[grizzled oasis]

thank you

What about building/pulling

[fiery lava]

Not really. Korumi isn't drop ship. Save ur cubes for zUR next event

[grizzled oasis]

should I just wait till the next UR banner

[grizzled oasis]

I meant from the event mission

where you collect those points

pretty sure that's where you get Kurumi from

[fiery lava]

You can farm solo event with one fleet

[fallow vale]

only if you like date a live/collecting ships

[grizzled oasis]

not really, I just wanted some decent ships so I pulled a lot already

but if they're not worth pulling for

then I might as well stop

[fallow vale]

they're ok, nothing special though

[grizzled oasis]

since I have mlb kotori

but if I grind it's possible to mlb Kurumi right?

[fallow vale]

well no since the max you can get is 4 copies

[grizzled oasis]

and you're saying it's not worth Purins to mlb her?

[fallow vale]

not necessarily

[fiery lava]

You get points anyway. Just with Korumi little more as bonus

[grizzled oasis]

yeah I meant using her in my fleet tho

[fallow vale]

just that 0 limit break ships are shit

[fiery lava]

Without not mlb ship you can finish fight faster and play more runs. So...

[fallow vale]

what

[grizzled oasis]

so focus on mlb portland and uni?

[fiery lava]

I mean not mlb ship much weaker mlb

[grizzled oasis]

nothing else?

[fallow vale]

and Helena

along with your Z23

[grizzled oasis]

so get rid of my whole vg

what if I were to get a bunch of Purins

meaning I could mlb Prinz

[fallow vale]

yep, higher rarity doesn't automatically mean better in this game

[grizzled oasis]

hmmm got it

[fallow vale]

I wouldn't, I'd use them elsewhere

[fiery lava]

Imo better use gold bulins on Enterprise mlb instead of Kurumi

[fallow vale]

https://azurlaneecgc.com/newbie_tips/
this will also be useful reading

it's Kurumi

[grizzled oasis]

yup I have that on my screen haha

reading through it rn

ok so with future Purins

focus on Enterprise

farm Helena, Portland and Uni

mlb them all

keep using Kotori and warspite for now

retrofit portland and uni

and save for next UR banner

[fallow vale]

more or less

[fiery lava]

And not retro Warspite. Until nothing better

In research Anchorage, Agir, FdG

[grizzled oasis]

in that order?

I like Agir's design a lot

heard she's a good heavy tank

[fiery lava]

FdG saved some of your resources on warspite

[grizzled oasis]

my question is

if non-mlb ships are useless

what's the point of PR ships

[fallow vale]

you can max limit break them

but you need blueprints

older seasons you can buy them directly for the ship after unlocking them

[grizzled oasis]

these?

[fiery lava]

Agir and FdG questionable. But after Anchorage I rather focus FdG then Agir

[fallow vale]

newer seasons you have to go through the research academy

[fallow vale]

those are for DRs yeah

[grizzled oasis]

duplicates

right got it

[fallow vale]

not duplicates

blueprints

you need 513 to Dev 30/MLB a DR

[grizzled oasis]

blueprints are for dupes no?

[fallow vale]

and 343 for a PR

[fiery lava]

For BBs 0 lb have 1/3 damage of mlb

[grizzled oasis]

so I shouldn't use PR or DR ships

until they're MLB

[fallow vale]

pretty much yeah, same goes for all ships

[grizzled oasis]

I'm just getting them so that I can mlb them over time?

hmmm ok

so when i'm pulling in UR banners, I'm hoping to get as many dupes of the UR ships

[fallow vale]

I mean

within reason yeah

I wouldn't go out of my way to pull for dupes though

[grizzled oasis]

then what's the point in getting the UR ship

[fiery lava]

You can't dev 30 ( mlb) them until they got lvl 100. Let's say dev 25 almost usable not full potential but good

[grizzled oasis]

if I can't mlb it and use it

[fallow vale]

you can max limit break them though

with UR Bullins

[grizzled oasis]

aren't those really hard to get?

[fallow vale]

you get 5 every 2 months from various sources plus one every UR event

[grizzled oasis]

oh right

got it

[fiery lava]

Not lvl 100 but close enough. Idr

[grizzled oasis]

how many cubes should I be saving/using in a UR banner?

[fiery lava]

400?

[fallow vale]

ideally you'd want to be able to get 400 before the event starts to gurantee pity

[grizzled oasis]

400 builds or 400 cubes

[fiery lava]

At least for pity point of 200 pulls... so 400 cubes

[fallow vale]

you could technically start with less but the devs have a nasty havit of doing UR events back to back at times

[fallow vale]

cubes

[grizzled oasis]

damn I've got 120

need to grind a lot I guess

I assume the UR banner is right after this DAL event

[fiery lava]

With 200 you have good chance. So keep them. Make dailies on cubes and oils

[grizzled oasis]

got it

thank you very much!

am i free to return to this thread every time?

or make a new one

[fallow vale]

nah, not until next month

and late next month at that

[grizzled oasis]

so I'll be saving my cubes for a while then

[fiery lava]

Month cubes bonus. Weeky cubes bonus... you'll got it

[grizzled oasis]

bit of a shame that I need to sorta restart my fleet

but guess I didn't understand fleetbuilding at all

[fiery lava]

Make 1 light pull every day. As reward you got your 1 cube back

[fallow vale]

pretty much no new player doesn, don't worry

[grizzled oasis]

I mean 5 years ago I downloaded the game and saw Prinz and thought I'd invest everything into her lmao

and think higher rarity = better

appreciate the help a lot though thanks

[fiery lava]

Just some ships better. Even rare and elite can be decent. Usually need to know some their tiers and avoid ship with % chances for trigger spells. Unless it's Enterprise

Eugen it's beginner trap. Henrych little better. But better stay at Portland and Anchorage at the beginning

[grizzled oasis]

Anchorage will take me a while to get to though no?

is she really 'beginner'?

[fallow vale]

I wouldn't argue any PR ship is a beginer ship

[grizzled oasis]

also a question

https://wiki.biligame.com/blhx/井号碧蓝榜合集

how reliable is the chinese tier list?

that's what I've been using to see which ships are good or not

or the english community one but that's not updated much

[fiery lava]

/tierlist in bot and you can check rates

[fallow vale]

personally I'm not a fan

[fiery lava]

And for research this can help https://azurlaneecgc.com/fleet_technology/

[fallow vale]

will not be entirely applicable to you but this I think will give you a much more accurate idea of the potential of ships
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[grizzled oasis]

I just read 'not recommended for new players'

and looked through it

with 90% of ships being full of Ds and Cs

I assumed it only shows the top top tier of ships

with full gear + augments

[fallow vale]

it is

[grizzled oasis]

that's a long way away 😭

[fiery lava]

Some ships work in pair or special fleets. First of all u need understand difference between ligh/medium/heavy armor enemy ships. And after that and some tips in this rates and tier lists youll find which ships u need and want

That's why in beginner guides recommended Enterprise, Unicorn, Portland, Saratoga... they good in general used.

And one more last. Play event until Kurumy becomes forever in dock. Npc means she disappeared

[grizzled oasis]

until you get ships that can be specialised for mob/boss etc

[grizzled oasis]

yup got it

if I really grind I guess I can get dupes

[fiery lava]

She from pull. So if you will pull event which price 2 cubes you can get some cubes lost for next event

[grizzled oasis]

i thought shes not in the banner

and only from mission

[fiery lava]

Just get her and save mlb for next gold bulins after at least mlb Enterprise

From stage drops twins and yoshino from milestone reward

Kurumy dupes only from pull

[grizzled oasis]

really?

but shes not in the pull

[fallow vale]

well that's just wrong

[grizzled oasis]

right?

you can only get her from missions with those points

[fallow vale]

correct

[grizzled oasis]

and dupes from that too

[fiery lava]

Ah. Date right

[grizzled oasis]

so I should be grinding this event

for Kurumi mlb

since I heard she's pretty good as a ship

[fallow vale]

and event points

[grizzled oasis]

yup

got it

also with event points

should I buy the twins

I have enough for them

[fallow vale]

if they don't drop yes

[fiery lava]

Ok. Too late for me and I'm almost sleeping and making mistakes. Gl Hf

[grizzled oasis]

thank youu

sleep well

[grizzled oasis]

not sure who I should instead of Kurumi right now

since I don't have any other MLB vanguards

Prinz Eugen is 5* but she's got terrible damage and is pure tank (which I have Portland for)

I can send my ships if it helps

[fallow vale]

Z23 as I said

[grizzled oasis]

someone recommended me Phoenix

not question your recommendation

I just want to know why Z23

[fallow vale]

well she's already partially leveled mainly

not a brilliant option but not terrible either

[grizzled oasis]

I sent my dock earlier

[fallow vale]

I saw

[grizzled oasis]

if there's any better options idm

oh well if you think Z23 is good

I'll go for her then

also for augments

should I be crafting them for all of my mlb ships?

like portland, unicorn, helena

only ship I have an augment on is Kotori right now (it was free)

[fallow vale]

you're still new so save them for good unique augments

[grizzled oasis]

alright

and I had 1 more question

which ships should I upgrade skills on?

with the books

so far I have warspite's 1st skill on lvl 9, kotori's 1st skill on level 8, unicorn's 1st skill on lvl 5 (other ones too but they aren't in my fleet currently)

and no skills upgraded in vanguard

[fallow vale]

continie focuing on Unicorn's heal and Kotori's

do not bother with Portland's skills

[grizzled oasis]

got it

[grizzled oasis]

her 1st skill right?

over her 2nd

same with uni

[fallow vale]

I don't remember Kotori's skills exactly off the top of my head but that sounds right

[grizzled oasis]

I guess I should just get the twins now

since I'm not pulling

[fallow vale]

well no

because they also drop from area 6

[grizzled oasis]

oh fr?

guess not then

wait do any of the other ships

drop from the event

[fallow vale]

nope

I wouldn't purchase them just yet

[grizzled oasis]

alright if you say so

what would I buy instead then?

[fallow vale]

I would hold 8k event points until the end of the event but after that the two pieecs of event gear

[grizzled oasis]

what do they even do

the gear

[fallow vale]

the Crystal is actually a good cruiser aux

Oniiri is pretty useless but exclusive gear

[grizzled oasis]

also you seemed to disagree with the other person

about PR

how should I approach it?

everything below PR7 is bad

[fallow vale]

no

[grizzled oasis]

and they told me to go for Anchorage

what do you think

[fallow vale]

I'm saying PR should be at best a seocndary priority before you get to W12

once you do

start working on some good transitional ships like Agir, Anchorage, and FDG

and set your Research Focus to PR8

[grizzled oasis]

wait how does it work, can I research anything from PR1 to PR8?

[fallow vale]

research focus is seperate from unlocking ships

[fallow vale]

once you meet the tech point requirements for later seasons yeah

[grizzled oasis]

what are techpoints

or how do I get them

I'm searching it up 1 sec

ah so tech points from unlocking ships

so more ships I unlock, higher PR I can do

and I shouldn't do PR ships until PR7 at least

or the ships you said like Agir, Anchorage and FDG

[fallow vale]

do /fleettech in #bot-spam

[grizzled oasis]

wait so

you know how you said to do Agir, Anchorage and FDG

[fallow vale]

yes

[grizzled oasis]

should I start with FDG then?

since I don't have enough tech points

for the others

[fallow vale]

you can

[grizzled oasis]

she's PR2

[fallow vale]

like I said though it sould be a secondary objective at best until you get to W12

[grizzled oasis]

right got it

but order-wise

I should just do FDG

since she's PR2

then Agir then Anchorage/Plymouth

or do I wait till I can do PR4

then do that first

[fallow vale]

do whoever you can start first

[grizzled oasis]

hm

Tohka seems to be VERY good

and she's the only ship I don't have from the event 😭

Should I pull for her

especially since I have Portland, Z23 and Helena right now..

[fallow vale]

if you want to sure

[grizzled oasis]

I get that, but do you think she'd be like a significant upgrade + futureproof

[fallow vale]

she would be a signficiant upgrade and would serve you for a good while

[grizzled oasis]

I assume I'll keep Helena for a while, and get a better tank than Portland soon

right?

[fallow vale]

she'd replace Portland yeah

[grizzled oasis]

ok I'm doing it

thank you

[grizzled oasis]

how do I turn off morale setting

where it doesn't let you battle when someone is low morale

[fallow vale]

you can't

and frankly you shouldn't grind when morale reaches 0

your XP gain is literally cut in half

[grizzled oasis]

that's annoying

well good news I got myself some Purins

from missions so that's nice

[grizzled oasis]

do you sleep btw

I see you online and helping people 24/7 😭

[fallow vale]

I do....

[grizzled oasis]

haha if you say so

I respect it though, tons of people who need advice in this game

thank you for your service

[grizzled oasis]

question: will the event stages still be available after sector 6 is cleared?

[fallow vale]

yes

[grizzled oasis]

ok ty

[grizzled oasis]

finally I've got Tohka

that's all of them now woo

should I use my Purins on her?

[arctic pebble]

[grizzled oasis]

yup here you go

(helena is resting due to morale)

I can send my dock too if you need

and as for what I'm aiming for right now, just trying to retrofit Unicorn

I'm level capped for main campaign so

[arctic pebble]

Tohka can replace either portland or z23

[grizzled oasis]

think I'll do Portland since she struggled the most during event runs

[arctic pebble]

a non-retrofitted portland will indeed struggle

[grizzled oasis]

but I was just worried if it's worth using all my Purins for it

I know Tohka is very solid though

even late game (from what I saw in the spreadsheet)

still waiting on Kurumi's place in that to see if she's worth investing into as well

[arctic pebble]

since you should stop building on the event banner, you can just use 4 bulins on Tohka and use the next several on either Enterprise or Origami

[grizzled oasis]

yup I stopped pulling since I've got them all now

Origami is that viable?

before I pulled Tohka I got told to put my Purins into Enterprise

[arctic pebble]

kurumi only costs 1 gold bulin assuming you farm enough, and she will likely have B and A tiers in most content

[grizzled oasis]

then she should probably replace Z23

when she's mlb

[arctic pebble]

origami is about the same as enterprise

[grizzled oasis]

enterprise's strength is in boss right

but I use unicorn for mob fleet

does origami have a place in my fleets?

(still focusing on only 1 fleet for now so)

[arctic pebble]

you can think about that later when you max one, you will certainly have a place for at least one of enterprise and origami

[grizzled oasis]

alright thank you!

[fiery lava]

Having event ships is a good idea but this having too much of them is slowing your long time progress. Imo keep Enterprise, Unicorn and Portland in your first fleet. Leveling them give to you tech points which helps in other researches

You can keep Portland and Tohka as main and of tank. Idk about Origami. At least non-retro Warspite at lvl 120 can gives you +2ACC BB. So for a while I'll keep level her without retro

[grizzled oasis]

@arctic pebble what do you think about this ^

[arctic pebble]

I agree with my good friend Date a Live Collab 11/20-12/3 that a lot of what voltic says should be ignored. When you have either enterprise or origami at level 70 or 90 and MLB is when you can consider benching warspite. Then when you make a second fleet, warspite might return again temporarily

[grizzled oasis]

yeah that's why I asked you haha

Date disagreed with some things Voltic said

so now I'm double checking everything he says lmao

[grizzled oasis]

okay so since I'm not retrofitting Portland anymore since I have mlb Tohka, and I'm very close to retrofitting Unicorn, should I focus aim to retrofit Helena then? Since Warspite isn't worth it and I'll have Tohka, Helena and Kurumi as my vanguard

[fallow vale]

you can but I wouldn't consider Helena's retro a high priority

[grizzled oasis]

should I save the resources then?

because I can't retrofit anyone else

[fallow vale]

for now I would

[grizzled oasis]

alright thank you

and I'll substitute Enterprise for Warspite when she's mlb

and that'll be my fleet 1: Enterprise, Kotori, Unicorn Main

[fallow vale]

yep

[grizzled oasis]

I'm sorry but could you explain Research Academy again?

I should always be researching something, other than C-variant projects right?

is that all I need to know or

[fallow vale]

well

only if you can afford them

https://azurlaneecgc.com/research/

[grizzled oasis]

I've read it all

still very confusing

I'll leave it alone for now

and come back to it post Ch9

[grizzled oasis]

I've reached my subgoals of MLB Enterprise and Kurumi
I don't think I have any other ships worth mlb currently so I assume it's time to just push campaign/levels and prep for next UR banner?

I'm very close to retrofitting Uni
would it be worth retrofitting Helena or Portland (keeping in mind I have mlb Tohka and Kurumi)

[fallow vale]

Portland Nah

Helena if you have the spare resources sure

[grizzled oasis]

I mean it's not like I'm gonna retrofit Warspite

and I won't be pulling for ships anytime soon

so I think I have plenty of resources for her

also would Uni + Enty + Kotori be superior to Warspite + Uni + Kotori? (considering I'm still focusing on 1 fleet)

[fallow vale]

yes

[grizzled oasis]

I'll post an updated dock

cut out some rares but I'm pretty none of them are worth showing

I'm thinking for 2nd fleet I should use Sandy since I'll retro her at some point, Origami since she's Enterprise level

Warspite is lvl 100 and mlb so

I know Chapayev is also half decent

Portland could be retrofitted

Yamai twins are great vanguard

[fallow vale]

I'd get the Yamai sisters leveled up

[grizzled oasis]

alright

[fallow vale]

yeah so you'd look at something like
Mob: Kotori, Unicorn, Saratoga retrofit, Yamai sisters, [filler], [filler]
Boss: Maryland retrofit, Enterprise, Origami, Tohka, Helena, Kurumi

I'd only use Sandy if you can actually spare the bullins for her

[grizzled oasis]

Maryland retro? never seen her recommended before

that's interesting

[fallow vale]

yeah, she's one the baseline BBs

similar to Nelson retro

[grizzled oasis]

oh I see

but why recommend her over Nelson

[fallow vale]

she's slightly better

[grizzled oasis]

makes sense

is her retrofit a priority?

or Saratoga

[fallow vale]

between the two Maryland would get priority

[grizzled oasis]

also I've run very low on resources now, both oil and coins, so as someone who only has access up to W8, where should I farm

[fallow vale]

passionate Polaris Sp5 if you've got 60k on the event

[grizzled oasis]

1:1 fleet?

[fallow vale]

full fleet because it has an oil cap

[grizzled oasis]

got it thank you

a UR BB would be nice (one can pray)

oh also why did you put Kotori in the mob fleet over Maryland? is she just better against mobs

[fallow vale]

uhhh

honestley it's another wash

[grizzled oasis]

oh and sorry I have to bring this up again but, should my catchup be on Roon or FDG?

[fallow vale]

not Roon

because you wanna use that for Prototype cores

[grizzled oasis]

not Roon? aren't I converting catchup prints into proto cores

[fallow vale]

yes

but you need to get her to dev 30 first

becasue you aren't allowed to convert prints unless the ship is already at dev 30

[grizzled oasis]

man I can never really get a grasp of all this, even after reading research guide

catchup prints are used to help develop a ship correct?

so what's the difference between getting catchup for Roon and for FDG at this moment

[fallow vale]

let me put it into more simple terms

Catch-up is a mechanic which gives you additional prints from research missions

for older seasons

what you want to do is get a ship to dev 30, then use the catchup to get prints for the ship you've just dev 30ed so you can convert them to prototype cores

part of why you want to do this is the ships from the older seasons tend not to be that valuable, or at least valuable enough to warrant the trade off of completeing them sooner vs getting prototype cores

[grizzled oasis]

what is max dev number-wise

[fallow vale]

FDG is debtable but most, myself included tend to er on the side that it's worth speeding up her progress

[fallow vale]

30

[grizzled oasis]

so you aren't using catchup for their intended purpose, we're using it to get more proto cores? since it's more valuable?

[fallow vale]

for the older seasons yes

[grizzled oasis]

so my question is, if I get catchup for Roon right now then eventually dev30 her, won't I get protocores?

[fallow vale]

no

because the game will force you to use any prints you already have for her

before allowing you to coin her

[grizzled oasis]

ah I see

but then doesn't that mean I won't have any ships that'll get me protocores?

[fallow vale]

hmm?

[grizzled oasis]

since FDG, Agir/Anchorage will all make me use my catchup prints to develop them

[fallow vale]

well that's why I said older seasons

there's a debate over how many of the catchups you should use for prototype cores

[grizzled oasis]

so by doing this, I won't get any protocores from catchup though correct?

[fallow vale]

but general consensus is that you should at least use PR1, 2 and 3 PR/Gold catchups for that purpose

correct

[grizzled oasis]

riiiight

I get it I think

so I'm only using catchup for their intended purpose

[fallow vale]

just remember that's there's seperate catchups for each season and the DRs

[grizzled oasis]

got it

so after getting 150 FDG catchup, I should go for Agir or Anchorage, depending on the ship I want

[fallow vale]

yes

I would reccomend Anchorage's first because 300 BPs is almost Dev 30

[grizzled oasis]

oh and is Warspite non-retro really that bad that I can't use her at lvl 100 mlb?

over Maryland and Kotori

[fallow vale]

Warspite without her retrofit is in contention for the worst SR BB in the game

[grizzled oasis]

oh also

I have Hood and I remember being told she's pretty decent for a new player, could she not be used instead of Maryland for fleet 2?

I'm asking before I have to go through the trouble of levelling Maryland and retrofitting her, which'll take a lot of resources

[fallow vale]

well you'd need to have the bullins which I don't think you have

[grizzled oasis]

and she's at 4 stars currently

[fallow vale]

can you get Alabama?

she'd be a straigt upgrade

[grizzled oasis]

does she come up in the medal shop, if so she's not there atm

where else would I get her?

[fallow vale]

just the medal shop

if you wanna use Hood go for it

[grizzled oasis]

this is for the boss fleet, I guess I'll just have to hope I get some good BBs soon

[fallow vale]

Hood would go to mob fleet duties, put Kotori in the boss fleet

[grizzled oasis]

I mean

is Maryland substantially better than Hood?

[fallow vale]

not really

Hood does want her unique augment though

[grizzled oasis]

they're all ass I assume lmao

[fallow vale]

hmm?

[grizzled oasis]

I've yet to craft one yet

not sure how I get the materials

[fallow vale]

they're about the line for acceptable

[fallow vale]

event shop and there's a raid that gives mats for them

[grizzled oasis]

I think the 4 I've got was from the event shop

and I've been doing my daily raids so

[fallow vale]

they cores especially are pretty time gated

[arctic pebble]

DPS against single boss averaged across 3 armors. Hood is down at 1716 DPS

[grizzled oasis]

but I'd be using her as mob BB

and Kotori as boss

[arctic pebble]

you'll want 3 or more BBs for opsi boss

[grizzled oasis]

ah opsi boss

I'm not too familiar with opsi yet

I've done the tutorial

nothing else other than that

[grizzled oasis]

so I assume you're recommending to build retro Maryland

she has very high numbers there for a retrofit

but that's with great gear

[arctic pebble]

im only providing numbers, not recommendations 🚪 🏃‍♂️ 💨

[fallow vale]

well once you factor in the augment costs

the difference in terms of coins isn't that big

because Maryland's retro is what 30k coins and won't cost you any gold bullins

whereas Hood's augment sets you back 21k coins

[grizzled oasis]

and Maryland seems to tangibly better

alright then Maryland it is

[fallow vale]

25.5k coins

[grizzled oasis]

if she's going to be my boss BB

which would I use?

[fallow vale]

Mk6

the right gun is just garbage

[grizzled oasis]

lmao alr ty

I just assumed AP > for boss but I guess the gun is THAT bad

[fallow vale]

if you actually compare the damage

even factoring the AP gun's superior damage moddifiers

against medium and heavy armor

the Mk6 just does more damage straight up still

[grizzled oasis]

right I see

I assume the rest aren't very good either

[fallow vale]

the 410 is decent

rest are garbage though

[grizzled oasis]

when the protocore shop resets though in 3 days I'll have a champy and a flandre so

big upgrades soon

[fallow vale]

I think all the bosses through W11 are light armor actually

so you'd stick with the Mk6 mostly

until you get to w12

[grizzled oasis]

should I +10 it then?

[fallow vale]

yeah

[grizzled oasis]

I really haven't had many options for BB secondary guns

[fallow vale]

have you given this a read yet?

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide/

[grizzled oasis]

and none of these appear in the gear guide

except the twin 128mm

but it's labelled defensive

[fallow vale]

well aux guns for BBs are inherently defensive

very few can use them in an offensive capacity

they just don't have the range to reach enemies usually

[grizzled oasis]

I see

so these are fine to use?

[fallow vale]

yes

[grizzled oasis]

got it ty

[fallow vale]

everything in that guide is at minimum usable

[grizzled oasis]

I just realised I'll be getting Shinano somewhat soon

from commander's handbook

is there any point investing in Origami

oh right UR bulins

nevermind lmao

gotta save them for the event

my baddd

is Maryland's extra skill necessary?

[fallow vale]

it would be preferable to unlock it yes

[grizzled oasis]

I should be coining Roon's full development correct?

instead of using BP

[fallow vale]

yes

[karmic plume]

where can i get Maryland?

[karmic plume]

oh... so dev30 is only exist after we finish the exp/dumping retrofit material part? so can i ask again should i dump those retrofit items into her?

opps i didnt expect it was a thread but yeah i often retrace olds message for self-guidance

I just want to ask how to cancel Flandre catch-up? I need to cancel her so i can press catch up on Saint Louis insteaed? and i should do it immediate or after dumping exp/retrofit items?

[karmic plume]

so i should follow this since I have none of feet tech rn?

[fallow vale]

more or less

[grizzled oasis]

I've decided to start investing into Sandy since I have a good amount of SR bulins, which fleet/position would she fit best and who would she replace?

current mob/boss fleet

[fallow vale]

She could replace Eugen

But you're starting to find out why I don't reccomend starting her retrofit until after w12

[grizzled oasis]

well I was told her retrofit isn't necessary till I need the AA

which is like W13?

I assume she's still a very decent CL at mlb, especially compared to my current mob vanguard

[fallow vale]

Well no

She needs her unique augment to be at least half decent

[grizzled oasis]

yup I can craft that

[fallow vale]

And it's more like

You retrofit sandy to improve her in every other aspect

[grizzled oasis]

surely she'll be more useful than Z23 or Prinz, especially in the long run I'll be using her a lot even in lategame

I just thought I might as well get her ready for retrofitting AND she improves my vanguard for the time being

[fallow vale]

She will

[grizzled oasis]

Roon's IB tech exp thing is infuriating though

with no good IB ships

I'm forced to use these subpar ships

[fallow vale]

This is the beauty of w12 farming

Where using sub par ships is irrelevant

[grizzled oasis]

I'm commander level locked so I have to farm 9-4 for now

[grizzled oasis]

I'd appreciate some advice on which gun to use for my BBs, now that I have both of these + the Triple 406mm Mk 6

also why did no one tell me how hot Maryland retrofit is...

what a glowup

[arctic pebble]

We are of the same opinion as the quick gear guide

[grizzled oasis]

right but as someone who doesn't know hull types or shell types all that well

guess I'll just use Triple 406mm Mk 6 for now since I'm still in the lower chapters

and save the Flandre/Champy for higher stages

[fallow vale]

what's confusing about it?

I thought as we laid it out in the qgg it was pretty straightforward

[grizzled oasis]

I guess it's mostly due to not paying attention to armour thickness of enemy fleets as well as understanding why a gun is better than another

I don't doubt this applies only to me, but to new players in general, it's just put on gun that's recommended and then spam sorties

[fallow vale]

well, armor type not really thickness

for mobs though we've seperated them out

for bosses if you're unsure check Lars' DB

[grizzled oasis]

https://azurlaneecgc.com/equipment/

this one?

[fallow vale]

and in OpSi if you turn off fleet lock you're told the armor type before you begin the fight

uh no

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide/

[grizzled oasis]

yeah I guess I just assumed the champy/flandre would be an automatic upgrade and was excited to use it, tyyy

[grizzled oasis]

hmmm I'm wondering if it's worth retrofitting Saratoga

she's in my mob fleet atm with Kotori and Unicorn

Enterprise and Origami on my boss fleet

but since I'm not struggling with pushing stages yet

I could get off with just using her as a placeholder

retrofits are expensive

plus I want Independence at some point

[arctic pebble]

Wait for independence

[grizzled oasis]

I'll put them here 1 sec

CL guns ^

CL guns ^^^

DD guns ^

and another one of these

[arctic pebble]

Twin 120 is in the guide

[grizzled oasis]

I know which is why I'm using them but I don't have enough

[arctic pebble]

Twin 127 purple

[grizzled oasis]

also only 1 purple CL gun in the guide so for CLs that can't equip DD, unfortunate

[grizzled oasis]

Progress on Roon coming along smoothly

Might have her in 2-3 days I reckon

[grizzled oasis]

oh I mentioned earlier in the actual chat

but I'm gonna scrap my mob and boss fleet for now and make 2 different fleets

one that has all my best ships, and one to level up

since I can't progress with the mixed mob/boss fleet due to them being underleveled and undergeared

so it'll be Unicorn, Kotori, Enterprise / Tohka, Helena, Kurumi
Maryland, Origami, Saratoga / Prinz Eugen, Z23, Yamai twins

I'll use the 2nd fleet for some mob fleets if they can before they get too low on HP so they get some exp, then finish it with my stronger fleet

hope that sounds fine?

[fallow vale]

yeah, that's pretty much what you're expected to do when leveling up ships

[grizzled oasis]

got it, thanks
they're all mlb and retrofitted (other than Saratoga) so they just need leveling and gear

although I think I'll have independence sometime soon so I'll replace Saratoga with her

[grizzled oasis]

just to confirm, you were of the opinion that it's better to use FDG's catchup to develop her right?

does that mean it speeds it up by about 2 weeks?

[arctic pebble]

Make fdg usable 15 days earlier and save 108k coins
vs
Gain 3000 proto (1 rainbow gear)

[fallow vale]

yeah that

[grizzled oasis]

you mean spend 108k coins right

since you'd coin it

[fallow vale]

yes

[arctic pebble]

Yes

[grizzled oasis]

ok ty

I mean 15 days

you could get 100k coins easily during that time

[fallow vale]

yep

[grizzled oasis]

it's just about being patient I guess

[arctic pebble]

My income averages to like 50k coins per day

[grizzled oasis]

honestly it might depend on the upcoming UR

I don't have any strong BBs atm

Kotori/Maryland being my best

having FDG 15 days earlier could be worth it if the new URs aren't BB

[glacial ingot]

yamai should get gold triple 155, give cleve gun to kurumi and give purple triple 155 to helena

saratoga should have double helldiver
replace one of ur CVs topbombers with barracuda, preferrably uni

[arctic pebble]

Helena CL terrible, use gold 155
Purple quint mag terrible, use purple quad mag or gold quint nonmag
TBM are pretty mid because they have super slow reload

[glacial ingot]

dont give helena sg radar

[grizzled oasis]

blue camo then?

[glacial ingot]

sure

[arctic pebble]

Might as well give the onigiri to someone, not that any of the DaL vanguards need that healing

[grizzled oasis]

which one is cleve gun

[glacial ingot]

twin 150 tbtsk

[grizzled oasis]

got it thanks

[arctic pebble]

The German gun

[grizzled oasis]

uhhh but I have repair kits for them all

I guess Z23 could use double HP maybe?

[glacial ingot]

[grizzled oasis]

well thanks guys

appreciate it

I haven't updated gear since like chapter 3

[arctic pebble]

Z23 uses the bench unless you're farming some pr

[grizzled oasis]

yes I am

I've done everything on Roon other than IB vanguard exp

10% of 2 mil atm

I'm considering whether I should wait till the UR december event is over

to start coining her

since building will be very expensive

[ashen crescent]

so get 2 free bps to coin a day so use those at least

[grizzled oasis]

oh yeah true

I wonder if I'll have 2 mil vanguard exp by the time the UR event comes

[grizzled oasis]

general question about research, at what point will I actually be able to research a PR8/DR8 ship?

because I assume I'll be doing Roon then FDG, then probably Agir but at some point I'll do Mecky right?

when is that around time-wise?

[fallow vale]

honestley

I have never bothered to theory craft it out

[grizzled oasis]

fair enough

[grizzled oasis]

@fallow vale
could you explain to me why I shouldn't convert PR blueprints to Roon and convert them to protocores?

[fallow vale]

because they're worth far more as proto cores than saving a few days getting Roon to Dev 30

[grizzled oasis]

oh my question was worded 'why I shouldn't'

so I SHOULD convert all my PR bps to protocores right?

[fallow vale]

yes

[grizzled oasis]

and there's no benefit to converting them to any other ship

since Roon's BPs have the same value as any other ship in terms of protocores

[fallow vale]

yes

[karmic plume]

In the common resources page, i had noticed 2 thing, 1 is protocore and 2 is Chip Array
They are all uneasily accessible after the onetime thingy

-Protocore are locked via 2 month cruisepass as well as Handbook decision
-ArrayChip are locked until lv100, which mean unlock someone to lvl125 are too risky
For f2p method they are way too lacking to use 1

I used it on champy/flandre gun + awaken kotori/yoshino to finally realize i barely had none left

[grizzled oasis]

taking screenshots 1 sec

[proven plover]

[grizzled oasis]

uh did it send

it didn't did it

[proven plover]

didnt

[grizzled oasis]

that's equipped, let me send some I haven't equipped that are decent

[proven plover]

stick to eagle techbox

when i said hellcat, i dont mean the purple ones

you dont have corsair or gold hellcat

kinda weak fighters

[grizzled oasis]

got it

ty

[grizzled oasis]

DAL ships really have carried me so

[cunning cedar]

What is your current 2 main story fleets
And 4 opsi

[grizzled oasis]

uh my fleets are a little messed up due to D3 farming fleets

I'll type out the usual

[cunning cedar]

Yeah that is what I meant

[ashen crescent]

isnt event farming fleet formation diff from normal fleet

[grizzled oasis]

mob: Kotori, Uni, Indep / Prinz Eugen, Sandy (soon), Kurumi
boss: Maryland, Enty, Lex II / Yamai twins, Helena, Tohka

Prinz will be replaced by Roon soon

and Ancho is being worked on atm

[cunning cedar]

Tohka and kurumi are tank right?

[grizzled oasis]

rank?

[cunning cedar]

Tank sry

[grizzled oasis]

I've found Yamai twins to be tankier than Tohka personally

but Kurumi for mob yes

[cunning cedar]

Ah I see
Sry I am not very knowledgable with the collab stuff

[grizzled oasis]

nono Tohka is said to be tankier but from my experience twins are tanky asf

[cunning cedar]

Well most of your true upgrades will come from shipyard

[grizzled oasis]

right?

I thought so

if I had oumi or owari it'd be nice but not much more for SRs

I reckon I could push to W13 with what I have

[cunning cedar]

From what u showed only chapayev has some use late game
And maybe emden

[grizzled oasis]

Emden fr? Chapy for DD bosses iirc

[cunning cedar]

Comfortably
Vanguard could improve a bit tho

[grizzled oasis]

Guam Laffey will hopefully take me to W15

[cunning cedar]

Emden is not the best but her IB faction buff is decent and she has good dps

[opaque beacon]

Time to replace Helena

[cunning cedar]

This isnt me condoning faction fleets tho

I would start on tech ships tbh
U need a few more BB maybe
1-2 BB fleets will help in opsi

Actually
Start working on submarines

Can u show sub filter?

[grizzled oasis]

sure i have some alright ones

wolfpack iirc

though not 3

[cunning cedar]

Prepare them for LNY event
Good time to raise submarines

[grizzled oasis]

U-101 is good I think

others meh

[cunning cedar]

I am thinking we do fishpack instead

[grizzled oasis]

no idea

[ashen crescent]

same tbh flasher rerunning soon

[cunning cedar]

Flasher rerun + albacore easy to get

[grizzled oasis]

when's that rerun

[cunning cedar]

Archer is the pain

[opaque beacon]

With Guam

[cunning cedar]

Guam rerun

[grizzled oasis]

oooo

what a great banner

or is this Dec one just shit

[ashen crescent]

isnt there wishing well during lny maybe they can fisher her out there

[cunning cedar]

U missed 404 right?

[grizzled oasis]

woulda loved Hakuhou, Oumi etc

[cunning cedar]

It is hardly shit tbh
We are just in a post lion world

[grizzled oasis]

smh Lion

[cunning cedar]

Ok gimme 15 mins till am home
I will have a better look
Show all your SRs and how many SR bulins u have

[grizzled oasis]

gotcha

though keep in mind I am constantly low on oil and coins due to D3 farming and Sandy retrofitting

[cunning cedar]

What is your shipyard situation like?

[cunning cedar]

I am just giving u the direction
Take it at your own pace

[grizzled oasis]

I've only done Roon (dev 15 ish), started researching Ancho yesterday

[cunning cedar]

I keep forgetting u are very new

[grizzled oasis]

FDG catchup is done, focusing Ancho atm

[grizzled oasis]

barely been a month

so uh send my whole dock right

[cunning cedar]

Anyway brb

[ashen crescent]

might also be worth to start working on your faction tech

[cunning cedar]

Sure why not
Show the sr bulins as well

[grizzled oasis]

I spent so many coins and Elite bulins on USS ships

to start Ancho asap

but I need IB now for Agir

[ashen crescent]

time to do the same for IB

[grizzled oasis]

left out like half the elites

could also get another 2 SR bulins from merit

I'll wait now for Faer

[opaque beacon]

there is nothing worth leveling beside for tech

i mean you can get warspite retro for upgrade but thats filthy ecpensive

[grizzled oasis]

she's useless for campaign anyway which is my primary focus atm (after events)

[opaque beacon]

You just need better BBs for progression, unless you want to run triple CV mob for w12/w13, in that case shangila is pretty solid

[grizzled oasis]

yeah that's why I had my little moaning about how there's no better BB options for me in the near future, unless Feb UR is a BB
Soyuz awaits I guess

[opaque beacon]

warspite but thats expensive

[cunning cedar]

ok so i think your next SR bulins should go into flasher albacore and constellation (also from guam event)
+1 potential submarine
the issue will be your opsi bossing will be kinda weak
lexy and enty are good but they need gear and CV gear early on is pain

other option could be tosa for IJN tech but u can probably get a decent amount from other sources

joffre also decent but u have enough good CV tbh
ideally we want to invest in stuff u are lacking like BB and SS

[ashen crescent]

og biscuit for IB tech

[grizzled oasis]

how much impact do SS even have

[cunning cedar]

a lot for ch14 and ch15

and for hard arbiter

which are your next bottlenecks

ideally u would also do shimanto next after anchorage
but IJN tech needs some dedication

[opaque beacon]

3 subs are worth like a backline

[grizzled oasis]

also Constellation wouldn't do much for me no?

[opaque beacon]

stella is pretty strong in campaign but losses to spoot in opsi

[grizzled oasis]

unless she's decently better than Maryland

[cunning cedar]

i think she is and u want 3 BB for opsi anyway

[grizzled oasis]

oh right I need to tackle Arbiter soon

at least normal I can whack away at

[cunning cedar]

[grizzled oasis]

I haven't tried C6 abyssal yet...

and even C5 was hard when I last tried

[cunning cedar]

u will have guam and potentially laffey/anchorage for tanks
so i think u can skip agir for shimanto if u want to clear 15 faster

[grizzled oasis]

and I have all those strongholds to do

[cunning cedar]

because u lack a strong BB

i would prefer to even have 2 BB fleets tbh

[grizzled oasis]

I would too if I could

[cunning cedar]

but not much we can do now
lexi has stop if u get laffey

• enty and maybe shangrila u will have a good CV fleet

[ashen crescent]

ngl you should start tackling the strongholds now, make use of your free heal a day

[grizzled oasis]

it took like 15 trips to the port last time, though I am a good amount stronger now

[cunning cedar]

shangrila not bad to raise I think tbh for 3 CV for boss
she is also +2 avi so not bad tech

[grizzled oasis]

hmmm mk

[cunning cedar]

SGL + enty + lexy + laffi + sirius/kazagumo
eventually porter

could be your best CV fleet for a while until amagi rerun at least

ofc who knows what future URs hold but we cant realistically plan for that

[grizzled oasis]

origami is enty level no?

[cunning cedar]

i doubt she is at 100% enty level
maybe average enty

[grizzled oasis]

yeah average

100% enty is a UR CV tho iirc

[cunning cedar]

around that yeah

[grizzled oasis]

I don't have either Sirius or Kaza actually

[cunning cedar]

both are in medal shop so there is a chance

[grizzled oasis]

pray for Avrora

[cunning cedar]

how is your IJN tech?

close to shimanto?

maybe work on some elite tech IJN ships

[grizzled oasis]

I think IJN is my worst

[cunning cedar]

like the bunnies

[grizzled oasis]

I've been working on IB and USS exclusively

for Roon Ancho Agir

but ig Guam is like a less tanky better AA Agir?

[cunning cedar]

if u are really pushing 14/15 then musashi and FdG are also very good

[grizzled oasis]

oh yeah I finished FDG catchup but her tech is far too by like 150

[cunning cedar]

pretty much
she is better tank in 15 and even 14 i think

doable

need to prep sth after anchor

[grizzled oasis]

WA farming? for IB

[cunning cedar]

FdG/shimanto

your call

[cunning cedar]

if u have no other perma options sure

[ashen crescent]

if its 150 points, bismark get you more than half way there since mlb is 80

[grizzled oasis]

I kinda wanna farm W12 though since I haven't got the chance to

[cunning cedar]

yeah that is why i am not a big fan of WA for kms tech for u

see what options u have

filter for KMS ships

[ashen crescent]

honestly no real rush to push campaign, i have existed in w12 for 6 months since i unlocked it

[cunning cedar]

yep i only mention this cause u said u want to push otherwise i think stay and work on your bossing fleets

[grizzled oasis]

I guess

[cunning cedar]

in that case FdG is the next prio

due to lack BBs

[grizzled oasis]

yeahhh

but even she'll take a couple months

[cunning cedar]

but imo shangrila enty and lexii is a very good CV fleet

will be weak vs heavy armor but u can use BB for that

[grizzled oasis]

is FDG good for bossing cos i know she's a very good mob BB

[cunning cedar]

not her forte but she is still UR

[ashen crescent]

tbf by the time your done you might have meck done too

[grizzled oasis]

PFFFF

FDG and Meck at the same time?

I wish

[ashen crescent]

as in bps maybe not faction tech wise

[grizzled oasis]

fr?

[cunning cedar]

submarines will be great for opsi and campaign
so i think def work on flasher

[grizzled oasis]

I feel like my pace is so slow with her prints

Gouden's caught up to her

[cunning cedar]

it will be cause coin shortage dw about it

save your selectors for her

[grizzled oasis]

yeah maybe I stop at 1 HVAR for this event then

considered 2 but meh

[cunning cedar]

yeah it is a bit painful tbh

[grizzled oasis]

wont use it anyway

[cunning cedar]

bf109 is fine enough vs light armor

some of us used them for 1+ year until hvar rerun

[grizzled oasis]

also Mori had told me to do Q research over anything else

[ashen crescent]

if you plan to coin fdg dev 30 + fate sim it take like 60 days? ish thou by the 40 day mark she be useable at dev 30 alr

[cunning cedar]

it is good to save coins and for min maxing gear
i like ship focus for newbies until u finish 1-2 seasons at least

the better ones

[grizzled oasis]

I've been prioritising Meck and Gouden face, then Q/G

[cunning cedar]

yeah that is probably a great overall mix

dont take g2.5h tho

face 2.5h better

[grizzled oasis]

you mean dont take it ever?

[cunning cedar]

almost never yeah

[grizzled oasis]

oh ok

[ashen crescent]

if you have no other choice grab it, but if there a face grab it instead

[grizzled oasis]

you mean face as in

any other face

[ashen crescent]

any preferable s8 one

[grizzled oasis]

hmmm ok ok

[ashen crescent]

cause if you get enough bps to dev 30 the pr they get removed from face selection

[grizzled oasis]

including like Cuni

[cunning cedar]

yeah even if u prio gears D2.5h better than G2.5h

if u want to finish the season faster and go for pr7 or kearsarge u can take D research over G and Q but u will have less meck guns eventually

[grizzled oasis]

hmmmmm ok ok

[cunning cedar]

DR + G/Q very good otherwise

[grizzled oasis]

also for core data

I've got Indep, 2 white shells and 1 black shell

should I get 1 more white and then breguet?

[cunning cedar]

i would yeah
cause I think 3 BB for bossing is still good to work on

breguet/submarine gear next

[ashen crescent]

definitly for white, im more on the fence for breguet but thats cause i got wyvern before i even bought one

[grizzled oasis]

my wyvern needs 6 more UR plane plans

[ashen crescent]

can also consider drake? the cat for your bb fleet since lvling cats takes a while too

[cunning cedar]

yeah also not a bad call

[grizzled oasis]

i want musashi ffs

[cunning cedar]

[ashen crescent]

well if your lucky or by next reset you can buy the hidden blue logger things for a guarantee ur selector

[cunning cedar]

musashi + FdG will make campaign even easier

but i think realistically unless u do some manual shenanigens best bet to tackle ch15 with soyuz rerun maybe

[grizzled oasis]

like so tempted to just spam perma pulls ksdkljffjdf

[cunning cedar]

or if Feb UR is amazing

[cunning cedar]

LNY builds will be in light pool

and will count for perma pity

patience

[grizzled oasis]

are they new ships?

[cunning cedar]

yeah

most of the time mid ships

[grizzled oasis]

but SR

[cunning cedar]

yeah not even amazing ones at that 😭

[grizzled oasis]

I mean Zero to Hero reruns too

apparently Carl is okay

but I have enough tanks I guess by Guam Laffey

[cunning cedar]

ok tank but u will have guam laffey and anchorage

[grizzled oasis]

hmmmm

no ship improvements other than Shangrila then

I've been levelling cowpens but change focus to shangrila?

[cunning cedar]

so yeah to recap make sure u have FdG/shimanto (or hell even plymouth tbh i forgot she will be coinable soon) ready by the time u finish anchorage

shimanto catchup = free dev30 that is why she doesnt compete for daily coining

[cunning cedar]

cowpens might be good for uni + indep + cowpens ch13

[grizzled oasis]

oh there aren't any suicide ships?

[cunning cedar]

no

[ashen crescent]

its all planes

basically a more plane version of 12 tbh

[cunning cedar]

yep

[grizzled oasis]

also I think I will push for W13 soon, and take a break there for campaign

[cunning cedar]

good call
Ch14 needs some gearing and ideally submarines

[grizzled oasis]

since W14 and 15 are bit tricker and I need BBs anyway

[cunning cedar]

get FdG imo then shimanto
by then ch15 will be a cakewalk and u will have good ships ready for it

FdG is not ideal for 15 but better than SR BBs at least

[grizzled oasis]

yay alright ty

thanks for the help guysss

[cunning cedar]

it is ok to take it easy btw it will take some time

imo after ch13 work on 2 bossing fleets for opsi

1 cv 1 bb

then after that set a new goal

[grizzled oasis]

got it

[ashen crescent]

very real it will take a bit but it does prog snowball pretty quickly ngl

[cunning cedar]

good luck

[grizzled oasis]

tyty

oh actually I have a question

how viable is Kansas? for campaign or opsi

[ashen crescent]

she above avg gold bb iirc

[grizzled oasis]

well im only 100 uss points off her

[cunning cedar]

yeah actually she works
I forgot about pr8 ships since u are focusing them
most are decent

[grizzled oasis]

could do her instead of shimanto cos um

[grizzled oasis]

plus she could be decent for opsi BB fleet no?

[cunning cedar]

yep