#This work, I've never used thread before
small swift
rigid trellis
yes
small swift
Alright umm I'll make it simple the very least I want a fox team with normal Akagi and I guess any Kaga variant and Shinano anything else in the Sakura empire goes
Let me send my list
small swift
all in one fleet?
Preferably in one fleet
rigid trellis
it would have to be a boss fleet then because you're lacking a healer
small swift
Just a team for casual stuff but still has power to do more stuff,if I can't clear i move on to a better fleet
My list
rigid trellis
ok so can you even max limit break Shinano right now?
small swift
Not currently but I'll tell you i don't necessarily need to have this team built now, just want to lay the foundation as a side project so im not rushing
rigid trellis
I'm gonna be honest
I hate thinking so long term and rigidly like that in AL
because so much can change in even a few months
long pine
you dont even have kaga 💀
rigid trellis
like I said we have the JP Anni next month
and that could bring another fox that you realy like
I'm not saying don't chase it
but don't have it set in stone
small swift
and that could bring another fox that you realy like
Show a photo and I'll tell you yay or nay
rigid trellis
we don't know what the JP Anni will have
long pine
its speculation
rigid trellis
it will almost certainly be IJN though
which means foxes potentially is what I;m saying
also as I said
Musashi probably gonna get added to the UR Exchange in the next few months
long pine
foxes like jintsuu 
small swift
I ment a photo of her model lol idc about wha she is lol unless she's still in development
long pine
we dont have that
small swift
Ah oki
rigid trellis
we know nothing about the JP event
heck we don't even know anything about the EN Enni dropping next week until Saturday
small swift
Well for rn let's just stick with our current casy of characters in the Sakura Empire
rigid trellis
since you're building a 2nd fleet anyway, may as well get Akagi up
small swift
Well for rn let's just stick with our current casy of characters in the Sakura E...
Like i said I just want a foundation from experts if changes are needed will cross that road later
rigid trellis
Mob: Bellorussiya, Unicorn, Akagi, Portland, Kasumi, Laffey
Boss: Lion, Enterprise, Ark Royal, Atago, Helena, San Diego
that's for the more immediete future
small swift
that's for the more immediete future
Alright SS for later
rigid trellis
for more long term
you can work Shinano, Akagi, Kaga CV as a boss fleet somewhat in OpSi
but for campaign it's really far from ideal
because in earlier stages you have to deal with suicide boats
and without a BB as a safety net with their aux gun things can get messy
small swift
Any Sakura ships that can heal?
rigid trellis
same goes for events
rigid trellis
Any Sakura ships that can heal?
Shouhou can
rigid trellis
she's a horse btw
long pine
anythinig goes ig
small swift
she's a horse btw
At this point its not currently worth going for a all fox team so as long as it accommodates the 3 i mentioned anything else Sakura related goes for now, im not trying to make it he'll for you to team build i told my other teacher this
rigid trellis
the other issue as I said is really content
small swift
At this point its not currently worth going for a all fox team so as long as it ...
Unless you can find more foxes that im not aware of don't bother min maxing it with foxes
long pine
make sure u dont miss eldr retrofit item then
rigid trellis
because the further you push in terms of content
long pine
Unless you can find more foxes that im not aware of don't bother min maxing it w...
u can use amagi akagi shinano for campaign
rigid trellis
the more you have to tailor your fleets to counter that content
with faction fleets you have less options but the pricniples still apply
if you're gonna go IJN
as I said Musashi will be in the exchange soon
Ibuki, Izumo, Kitakaze, Hakuryuu, Daisen, Shimanto are all really solid pick ups from PR
and Azuma I guess
get Kazagumo from the medal shop when she shows up
small swift
Maybe lower the contant expectations bar a lil....umm beginning levels for events and lower campaign.....
rigid trellis
what I reccomended will work just fine for all that pretty much
long pine
anything goes in those contents like i said
small swift
it'll clear W12 just fine
The two teams you recommended?
long pine
just dont use non mlb ships
small swift
Alright I guess I'll put a pin in this until I get the two fleets done and make it to chapter 12 then I'll hopefully get someone to give me an awnser to the question that I wanted awnsered.....
Ty for your time
Sorry I made this way to difficult
rigid trellis
No worries
long pine
what question u wanted answered that isnt answered ?
small swift
what question u wanted answered that isnt answered ?
I didn't get the team recommendation I asked for for a unrelated fleet(my dream fleet) but at this point I'll just hold off I've taken to much time
long pine
I didn't get the team recommendation I asked for for a unrelated fleet(my dream ...
but u dont have kaga yet tho
as a plan then
just add Kagabb akagi shinano into ur boss fleet and move lion and enterprise to ur mob fleet over bello and akagi
so just use as boss fleet kagabb shinano akagi - atago isuzu kawakaze(from merit)/kazagumo(from medal)
small swift
but u dont have kaga yet tho
as a plan then
just add Kagabb akagi shinano into ...
I was going to get Kaga (BB) from medals if need be, idk we didn't discuss what the team would be actually to officially say what I need to go after
long pine
but is she in ur medal rotation
because if u dont have a BB hull it could take months
till u get her yk
small swift
Not yet but I did see her so that's all that matters rn, im not in a rush to make the team but I do need to know what 6 ships im working towards
Well i know 2
Base Akagi and Shinano
But the other 4 idk
Any Kaga for the third one
Then any 3 you help me choose
long pine
Not yet but I did see her so that's all that matters rn, im not in a rush to mak...
yes she is there but if u dont have SR BB rn then what im saying is that those 2 rotate monthly and its random so it could take months before you could select her
small swift
Bonus points if its more foxes
small swift
yes she is there but if u dont have SR BB rn then what im saying is that those 2...
That's fine
Im patient
long pine
then just like i said then
kaga shinano akagi - atago kawakaze(from merit) kazagumo(from medal)
kwk is a fox aswell
u can upgrade later on atago to azuma and kawakaze to shimanto
rigid trellis
Mediocre
long pine
you can make ur foxes strong btw and tackle alot of content
but to do that it means making good fleets and lvling aton of ships
rigid trellis
And getting good gear
small swift
you can make ur foxes strong btw and tackle alot of content
but to do that it me...
Let's just start small and work our way up for rn
long pine
focusing during the early stages of your account on this is usually bricking/gimping your progress
but u do what u have fun with
im just letting you know its possible and that theres shortcuts
small swift
Im sure but its probably resources i don't have rn
long pine
what im saying is that
reallocating these resources earlier
allows you to progress much faster
and most importantly
to tackle opsi earlier on
small swift
Operation siren?
long pine
which is the #1 source of gearlab mats ( for great gear ) and the #1 source for goldplates to take gear above +10
long pine
Operation siren?
yep
small swift
which is the #1 source of gearlab mats ( for great gear ) and the #1 source for ...
Can you show me an example of what your referring to as I've only glimpsed the mode sadly
Im a visual learner btw
Being new here means words may not explain everything sadly
long pine
if u go to operation siren ull see a map
this is a map with alot of shiny icons that u can clear each month for rewards
which include gearlab materials and gold plates among others
but to get the reset you need to finish the opsi story first which is the red exclamation marks which is ur #1 prio as a newer player
small swift
Alright so no stars
long pine
nope it works different from campaign maps
you can read more on wiki opsi page or use this visual guide
small swift
I meant no grinding the individual maps for stars
long pine
its abit much but for starters what u need to know is that u need a workable mob + boss fleet lvled to 120 (but can start earlier ) and to do ur red exclamation marks asap if u reach w12
long pine
I meant no grinding the individual maps for stars
correct
theres exploration stars but they work differently
small swift
correct
theres exploration stars but they work differently
I did a few on the first map to get a few of those points for those 3 things that build up but quickly got walled by one of those rigs that show you hidden enemies and loot
Since I used the only power cell and idk how to get more
long pine
you can grow ur adapts passively dont need to focus on them
if its a puzzle in story mode if u move long enough u can just skip it with TB
if u couldnt defeat a fleet well then that just means u have to improve your own
small swift
Im a completionist so my brain always likes optional stuff
long pine
anyway i have to get to work if u have more questions leave them here or drop a ping and ill check back later
small swift
anyway i have to get to work if u have more questions leave them here or drop a ...
How do I save this thread
long pine
if u joined in it its saved
or remember the name so u can search it again
it should show up unless it becomes inactive
long pine
small swift
Hiya idk if this thread is still working
@rigid trellis thread still work or do I need to make another?^^
rigid trellis
this one works fine
small swift
Ah alright
Im probably for ease of minds canceling the fox team help since i seem to not be in a position to start one
But I'll still use this SS of the team you recommend as something to work towards
@rigid trellis I figured this would just be easier until I make it to chapter 12
I just beat chapter 9 today
rigid trellis
yep
rigid trellis
not really other than stay tuned for the EN Anni stream on the 9th
small swift
not really other than stay tuned for the EN Anni stream on the 9th
Im broke i just spent the last of my gold trying to get the rest of the collad units
I got all but 1
rigid trellis
yeah
small swift
Reisalin
rigid trellis
at least the EN Anni event looks to be smaller
small swift
at least the EN Anni event looks to be smaller
Wdym
small swift
I mean fewer ships on the banner it looks like
Tbh I need a break from gacha i got units that have gold requirements, the base needs to be upgraded and lion needs 20k alone for MLB on top of getting everyone's gold retrofits
Plus im running into a problem in campaign
rigid trellis
yeah sadly breaks are a bit few and far between
we're effectively guranteed one new 2 week event every month
on top of event reruns
small swift
on top of event reruns
Just no more gacha till my team gets a overhaul in upgrades
Since chapter 9 was hard to clear for my current team it seems
rigid trellis
you just need more levels and some gear improvements
small swift
you just need more levels and some gear improvements
I mean im rocking solid gear that I've obtained or recommended to grab, the rest is luck
rigid trellis
have you been enhancing it?
rigid trellis
enhancing gear is also a big part of it
rigid trellis
Would you like to see my teams gear
sure
rigid trellis
definitely get that gold catapult in
small swift
On ark?
rigid trellis
yes
other than, some improvements to be made but none that you can quite make right now
focus your effort on getting guns and aircraft enhanced
auxes can take a back seat for now
small swift
Auxes?
small swift
auxes can take a back seat for now
Wha that
rigid trellis
auxilaries
small swift
auxilaries
Like extra ppl?
rigid trellis
No
small swift
focus your effort on getting guns and aircraft enhanced
Wdym by enhanced in this scenario
Cause all my ships are maxed enhanced from smaller ships
small swift
Oh
rigid trellis
At least on the stuff that'll last
small swift
That's alot of commitment for replaceable gear
I can understand the rainbow gear and gold gear
rigid trellis
You'd really wanna get everything to at least +6 for the main gun and aircraft
small swift
But not as much the purple
rigid trellis
That's alot of commitment for replaceable gear
Plates aren't that scarce
And the difference in performance is quite immense
small swift
Plates aren't that scarce
Gold and purples sometimes fly by
I use them for guild orders and research
rigid trellis
Yeah...
You really should use them for enhancing gear first and foremost right now
small swift
Ill try but even then most are already at + 6
So not much of a dps increase unless I get some retrofits on them
rigid trellis
Lion's aux gun and the Barracudas
I think +0 vs +6 is already something like a 50% dps increase
small swift
I think +0 vs +6 is already something like a 50% dps increase
I guess but what if this isn't enough
rigid trellis
Well you're working on a 2nd fleet so you don't have to fight bosses without anmo
And getting some extra levels if need be is a good fall back
Trust me when I say this
The main campaign up through w12 isn't difficult
Just make sure your ships are geared competently, properly leveled and their skills enhanced and you'll be fine
small swift
The main campaign up through w12 isn't difficult
I got a almost dead vanguard that says otherwise
rigid trellis
I've guided many players through this stage of the game
Also
Why haven't you awakened any ships past level 100
Helena literally has enough to get straight to level 120
small swift
For dumb reasons probably but mostly because I want to squeeze every other upgrade out before that
small swift
Gear, retrofits, team improvements etc
rigid trellis
Also level advantage is really simple and effective to beating enemies
Your ships deal 2% more damage and take 2% less damage for every level they have over the enemy
Up to 50%
It also works the other way around though if you're underleveled
small swift
Yes i remember but the enemy ships are already at level 98
rigid trellis
So?
small swift
And im only at chapter 10
small swift
Ill try
rigid trellis
And im only at chapter 10
Yeah Don worry about it
small swift
If i have enough cog data for them
rigid trellis
I get what you're trying to say
But the truth of the matter is
You can't really make any other improvements quickly right now for it to make a substantial difference
and the further into the Main campaign you get
up to w12
you'll be able to farm better maps and fox those issues
like your lack of coins
you'll start getting more coins for your oil spent the futher into the main campaign you get
small swift
Ill see what I can do, no promises
I got to much oil
But i guess that isn't a bad thing
rigid trellis
that'll disapear quickly enough
small swift
that'll disapear quickly enough
Im at around 19k oil now
rigid trellis
really though you should start getting your 2nd fleet leveled up soonish
fighting without ammo means your damage dealt is cut in half
and your ships take more damage
small swift
Im trying in this starved economy
Im learning things on the fly now
Like learning to switch Laffey and port
Help alot
rigid trellis
do the 1200 oil commission and use that to level up ships if you're struggling to burn oil
small swift
do the 1200 oil commission and use that to level up ships if you're struggling t...
Its not that im struggling its the fact battles take forever when you want 3 stars
And you need to do levels as few times as possible so you have to micro everything
rigid trellis
it's only until you get to 100%
small swift
it's only until you get to 100%
But when battles require 30-40 battles you gotta do it 3-4 or even 5 or 6 if you accidentally leave auto clear on
It took me all day to clear chapter 9
rigid trellis
What
small swift
Im not kidding
small swift
Also you are autoing yes?
I auto the first stages before boss spawns
Then after I manually go to the rest of the ships before boss
rigid trellis
You could probably auto the boss as well but that's fine
small swift
I don't fight the battles BTW they shoot by themselves but for the navigation I have to stare at my phone
small swift
And since it takes a long time to clear stages over and over im not getting much loot or progress
rigid trellis
Just so you know as well you don't need to 3 star a stage to move onto the next one
small swift
I know
rigid trellis
Also w9 stages should only need one clear to 100%
small swift
But i need the dock space badly
small swift
Also w9 stages should only need one clear to 100%
Not for 3 stars
rigid trellis
So just beat all enemies on the first run
small swift
I do
rigid trellis
And then auto farm the stage until you get enough mob clears
In the process getting some XP, coins, and plated
W9 isn't the best spot to farm
small swift
And then auto farm the stage until you get enough mob clears
Problem is I waste oil per attempt
rigid trellis
In fact it's only bordering acceptable
rigid trellis
Problem is I waste oil per attempt
How?
rigid trellis
You also do realize that the majority of the rewards from farming a stage come from the boss and clearing rewards right after you finish the stage right
So fighting extra mobs when you don't need to is actually wasting oil
Compared to just going straight for the boss
small swift
I get ships for enhancement material and gear material
And the lil bit of gold and gear boxes
All adds up
rigid trellis
You also get them from as I said beating the boss and in clearing rewards from actually clearing the stage
small swift
I don't mind doing that at W12 but not till I get there
rigid trellis
And the lil bit of gold and gear boxes
I'm telling you it just straight up isn't worth the oil
Let alone the time contraints
small swift
Ill see what I can do rn
Ill try to clear chapter 10
Then hopefully chapter 11 will suffice as a stopping point till I get my retrofits
small swift
I'm telling you it just straight up isn't worth the oil
That sound like a plan?
rigid trellis
sure
but I'm telling you
stretching the oil entry cost is not worth the effort
I mean just on time alone
how much are you losing in delays from actually having to select enemies vs letting auto do its thing
small swift
Around a 10% - 15% time
rigid trellis
the vast majority of loot you get will come from clearing rewards and the boss node
not from the mob fleets
small swift
the vast majority of loot you get will come from clearing rewards and the boss n...
So I'll get my currently 800 gold for clearing?
rigid trellis
yes
small swift
But i lose out on extra ships for enhancements
small swift
just give ma sec to illustrate the point
Oki
rigid trellis
that is not a concern
you'll get so many once you settle in you'll have more than you know what to do with
also, the boss node is the only one to gurantee a ship drop
small swift
also, the boss node is the only one to gurantee a ship drop
Noted
rigid trellis
Just compare the clearing rewards
To what I was getting from individual nodes
This was from a 3 star escort fleet
and this was the boss
small swift
I see
small swift
and this was the boss
Oh btw now that im getting A ranks instead of S ranks in stages im not getting 100% clears anymore so doing auto in chapter 10 and onwards is impossible for the time being
More pain for me
small swift
@rigid trellis hiya umm I have an update for you but tis not really any questions so idk where to put it to inform you
So im hoping this thread works
rigid trellis
If you could
small swift
If you could
Alright ping me when you free plz
rigid trellis
@small swift shoot
small swift
Alright
I finished the akashi quest I know she ain't special bit thought it worth mentioning since im a new player
rigid trellis
alright
rigid trellis
oh Zemina
small swift
Ye
rigid trellis
Saratoga's solid but
small swift
He said listen to your advice
rigid trellis
she's not good enough for me to say stop working on what you're already leveling and do her instead
small swift
Alright
rigid trellis
oh yeah new ships have been revealed now
rigid trellis
yeah they don't work right now
small swift
I just did them and gotten them lol
Got the bulin and oil
Didn't see anything character wise i liked
Was hoping for more retrofits
But I guess that takes time
small swift
yeah they don't work right now
I have been working on everyone's retrofits
Laffey is now finished
rigid trellis
good to hear
small swift
And yes uni isn't far behind
Ill have unicorn done within the next 2 days
Then Portland
Then slowly Helena
Then finally ark which will take awhile
small swift
good to hear
Sound like s plan?
rigid trellis
yep
rigid trellis
very good to hear
small swift
But other than that its grinding chapter 9 for gold because 10-1 wall blocked me
My first ever failed mission
small swift
I will....
rigid trellis
like
the extra levels alone
probably could have carried you past 10-1 at least
probably to 11-1
small swift
At least let me retrofit uni then porty and Helena then see how they do then uncapped them
rigid trellis
Imma be honest
the only one that would make a notable difference is Unicorn
Portland will get a decent eHP buff but nothing compared to 18ish more levels
and Helena's really won't be noticable until you get later into the game
small swift
Well something I've also noticed is my teams skills aren't all level 10 yet
And I'll be getting new skills to
So that's untapped buffs that need to happen to
small swift
For easier performance
rigid trellis
like Portland's skills
I would actually consider it a waste of classroom time to level them
they really don't do much for her
she's basically just a stat stick
like I get what you're trying to do
but the truth of the matter is
9-4 is a really bad place to stop and do what you're doing
I'd want to get to 11-1 at least
preferably W12
small swift
Well i can't help that the game said no plus not to mention uni's retrofit is long overdue it seems
And at least Laffey got a big dps increase
Ive noticed that 9-4 is way easier now than before
rigid trellis
taht's because you got the threat level down to safe
also just to illustrate the point
the last collumn is the coins you'll gain per oil spent in one run of the map
almost a 40% increase from 9-4 to 12-1
small swift
Wants that average out as?
rigid trellis
same with xp per oil spent
almost a 10% increase from 9-1 to 12-1
if you wanna see everything yourself
https://suchiguma.github.io/deepresearch/auto-search-exp-and-coins
small swift
I mean currently im getting 850 gold on average
rigid trellis
in 12-1 I'm getting 1600 per run
small swift
At the very least I need lions MLB and Uni's retrofit then try to push hard to 11-1
rigid trellis
so
almost doubling coin gain
for not even a 50% increase in oil cost
and you'll be having to deal with blocked fleets less
rigid trellis
At the very least I need lions MLB and Uni's retrofit then try to push hard to 1...
I want to emphasize
15 levels alone is a flat +30% damage dealt by your ships and -30% damage taken by them
also are you running double line for your formation?
small swift
also are you running double line for your formation?
Im doing the 3 by 2
rigid trellis
that's double line
rigid trellis
it's the one you should be using
small swift
I mean by the way it looks it looks the most reasonable
Your backline stays in the back and your vanguard tanks
Idk what the other formations do
small swift
never single line though
That sounds foolish at best
rigid trellis
hmm?
small swift
Its like line up your squishy units in a firing line and hope you don't explode
rigid trellis
yeah...
small swift
But yeah that's everything I'd like to report for now i didn't want to come to this chat everyday until some actual progress is being made so you don't have to remind me of certain things
Hopefully its good progress
With laffey and the retrofit improvements and soon MLB lion
small swift
I wish you'd uncap your ships already but other than that
Keep in mind that still costs gold
rigid trellis
gold for gold
small swift
And I have to do some level or wait until daily raids for free gold
rigid trellis
uncapping your ships right now is one of if not the best investment you could make right now
like
above retrofitting Laffey
small swift
Well think of it like this even if its scewd they're still gaining exp(yes I know later chapters give more exp so its technically a exp lose) but when I eventually uncapped them they'll jump up levels instantly
rigid trellis
no what I'm saying is you could be in at least in 10-1 right now if you just uncapped your ships
and then you could be gaining even more XP and coins so forth
also most of your ships are to the point where they nearly have enough XP banked to go straight to 120 anyway
so you wanna start rotating new ships in to get XP on them
small swift
Only Bole is capped on exp
The rest are near or around 20k marker I think
Ark has way less though
rigid trellis
no I mean like Helena has 2.2 million XP
you only need 2.115 to get from 100 to 120 with a non UR
small swift
I see
rigid trellis
and yes there is level 125
but you wanna be picky about who you uncap to 125 because arrays are scarcer than chips
small swift
I know but I don't have almost any cog arrays
Ill ask one last question even though I know the awnser
Before you go crazy
Do I spend my 20k gold on MLB lion or uncapped my ships
Dumb question i know
small swift
Or should I wait until reset for the free gold because all of the daily raids will be open
rigid trellis
I mean you don't have intentions of moving right now
small swift
Or even better do lion now then do the daily raids at reset to uncapped everyone tomorrow
rigid trellis
so I guess it can wait
small swift
Or even better do lion now then do the daily raids at reset to uncapped everyone...
That sounds great?
Ill get 6k gold so that'll get everyone on my team currently to level 105
rigid trellis
yeah
rigid trellis
yep
rigid trellis
alright
small swift
alright
Which 2 skills should I do next?
Also got Helena retrofited
Ark is almost done
rigid trellis
Ark's slowing skill
small swift
And everyone is level 120 minus ark
small swift
Ark's slowing skill
Who else
