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rare fiber
All righty, Ill just need a new min to take screen shots since I didnt sort the last batch
rare fiber
Main
Vanguard
As for where I am in the game, I started during the Amagi event. Im about 6 months in. Killed my first hard arbiter last month. Mostly making transitional gear from the gear lab. I have some tenrais, plymouth guns, enough points for a hindenburg gun, NJ gun, but UR weapons are definitely not flooding in.
I only have 1 UR bulin right now, but I will have the points to get 2 UR bulins next month + the fair seas pass is 4 bulins to fully uncap either of the two new UR ships (Or NJ)
quiet glen
nagatometa unicorn sara - brest shima harbin
musashi fdg raffaelo - aegir helena ply
shinano amagi implac - z52 ibuki sirius
fritz yk2 avp - anchorage fushun sandy
if u have aurora add her to 4th fleet
look for kazagumo in medal rotation for 3rd fleet instead of ibuki
ur next mlb prio is lion and she will replace fdg and fdg can go to mob instead of nagatometa
if u have eldrige retrofit item
then u can use her in fleet 4 aswell instead of sandy and replace avp with enty
rare fiber
No retro item. Bane of my existence. Ive found that, when experimenting with fleets in Op Sci, vanguard survivability has been an issue
but then, I am not a talented fleet builder
All righty. Ill try and build with these ships in mind
quiet glen
z52 might not tank some arbiters till the end
rare fiber
z52 destroys my fleet when they have the heal > Damage swap 
quiet glen
if that is the case u can replace her with a tanky tank like stealing brest from mob and using roon there instead
rare fiber
All righty
Is Raffaello good? I kept hearing people doom her
Wasnt sure if I should be putting her forward as much
quiet glen
alot of people value non campaign bossing when evaling a ship and shes not top there compared to newer URs
but shes very strong for campaign instead
rare fiber
So is her being in my line up just a symptom of not having better ships for bossing right now?
rare fiber
Yeah thats fair. Im gonna have to move gear around to make sure everything is working and take it for a spin I guess
rare fiber
Right now I just kind of go to the community tier list and equip ships with the gear closest to the top of the list
not exactly a scientific approach
quiet glen
yea
not rly optimal
its kinda the least bad you can do if u were to take this ship everywhere type of recc
rare fiber
For such a basic looking game, the gearing system has a shocking amount of depth
quiet glen
rare fiber
Like all my BBs tend to have similar load outs in the SSR slots
Im still working on +13 a lot of my gear
Feels like that will take forever
quiet glen
well kinda
+13s should be only reserved for specific gear
the income doesnt really afford to +13 everything unlike +10s
i recommend just keeping gear at +10 untill u feel like u need that extra bit of damage in which case to double check again in the main channel (or here) if the homework is done properly and thats the last improvement step
rare fiber
Like, this is my Musashi set. Is having the purple twin kai really her best option for barrage proccing?
I +13d it all cause I love her
Yeah I should honestly be more conservative with my plates
quiet glen
well its her best option in some content
that being campaign mostly
its also equivalent to a mk7 on her on light bosses but that is only if u disregard timed debuffs
rare fiber
Ive mostly thrown plates on shells/ catapults/ flapjacks
quiet glen
well here is another thing to consider
since +13s is reserved for only the best and hardest
also consider how many u will use at a time
ember cedar
Like, this is my Musashi set. Is having the purple twin kai really her best opti...
the neptune gun was a waste of a +13
quiet glen
if the content is easy you dont need them so ideally a rule of thumb is to only +13 enough for 1 fleet
because thats the most ull use a time
(excluding campaign here)
rare fiber
the neptune gun was a waste of a +13
Yeah it was a more early on trigger finger incident
quiet glen
so u can save a lot of plates by gear swapping
rare fiber
So people talk about fixing timing for ships and I assume I want to do that with Implac and AVP right?
quiet glen
yea
well
theres alot of stuff to sync in this game
what it means is simply aligning your damage window to your buff/debuff windows
rare fiber
Yeah, it makes sense. I am just not sure if I am even at a point where I can make, or find, the gear to do that effectively
Honestly its one of those things that seems daunting
quiet glen
usually good ships are naturally close to each other
so it only takes abit of fiddle
BBs are relatively simpler to sync
since u only have to pick among the good guns which is closest together
and they also tend to naturally sync with stuff like helena and each other
for cvs its a bit different since you have to do ur homework regarding planes
you need to know for what armor type what planes are the best and by how much and what slots u should fiddle with
or you copy alr done homeworks
rare fiber
Yeah that makes sense
quiet glen
but as a tldr u can follow this and consider when u see a / as a timing sidegrade that is free to fiddle with
and here are some homeworks you can copy for shinano amagi implac specifically
rare fiber
I guess Im about to ask a potentially stupid question but like, is there a simple reference to know when I am picking gear better for certain content or do I need to just become knowledgable about all of the gear in the game? I feel like I am left behind in the conversations a lot since its always about an endgame perspective but I cant chase full best-in-slot load outs yet
Like often times the tier list says plymouth gun for every CL but I obviously dont have that kind of weapon income
quiet glen
well tbf you dont need to
BiS gear should only be needed for the hardest of content
and gearswap is always an option
w12 is so easy to grind that u can just run the good poverty or mass obtainable gear if u dont like to gear swap
as for a way to tell well thats abit complicated
rare fiber
Yeah W12 is pretty much a stomp now
quiet glen
you can check https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment for some ratings on all type of gear but it doesnt necesarily tell you when to use them
and theres some wrong descriptions here and there
rare fiber
Well, for example, were there specific ships and armor types you had in mind when you designed the 3 bossing fleets for me? It makes sense to me with armor piercing and HE rounds. It makes sense to me that ships that rely on barrages that trigger on gun fire to have faster reload guns.
quiet glen
https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/ this site also display numbers and calculations for gear but you have to know what ure doing with the parameters
rare fiber
but the idea that some guns are mostly for campaign is one that I havent observed and didnt think about with the community tier list
Right now for Hornet MEta, I run something like Amagi. Musashi, Fritz + Plymouth, Ibuki, and Z52 and do about 900k damage max and less depending on evades
I havent found a combo that consistently does higher
out of what I have
Basically, I threw some of my independently strongest ships at her and prayed
quiet glen
Well, for example, were there specific ships and armor types you had in mind whe...
well thats a good question
but basically all fleets can do everything
there are some ships that are skewed more towards an armor than others due to their barrage modifiers/skills or loadout and whatnot but that doesnt mean excluding necesarrily
for example a ship like aurora whose whole value lies in her anti-light(dd/cl) debuff will indeed be exclusively used antight
but someone like fritz whose loadout is simply skewed to light/medium can still do respectful damage against heavy if the situation calls for it
the comps i made is basically just put the best of the best u have in ur dock for ST bossing while keeping the synergies as tight as possible
quiet glen
Right now for Hornet MEta, I run something like Amagi. Musashi, Fritz + Plymouth...
well basically fleetbuilding comes with experience and knowing each ships strengths and weakness and how much they contribute in a fight
theres no real shortcut besides homework copy but u can check this tierlist for endgame which rates ships across a plethora of late content and also rates their damage and buff/debuff contributions and a bunch of other stuff
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=0#gid=0
rare fiber
Oh thats helpful
I guess I am a little bit overwhelmed? Like I am looking at my Helena's gear and my god is she neglected. I remember building her initially, but the buff didnt feel like it was doing anything. Of course, it was at a time when my dock was a lot worse than it is now. Still, even knowing she is important, I don't know how to make these characters shine.
Starter gear is fleshed out, powerful load out suggestions seem readily available, but the transition between them is a large grey area
Also I need so many damn washing machines
zzz
This is what I threw on her without crafting anything. Are there any readily available gear items you can think of to give her a push?
rare fiber
Hm. Is there a good way to go about asking for gear help without flooding you with pictures
quiet glen
well just going through sams guide
but u can flood threads with pictures
thats what they are made for
rare fiber
Just trying to find a good way to list the ships and their gear
quiet glen
post ur depot with equipped filter on
quiet glen
well helena can take the plygun from nep and the dd gun from chappy
also craft 1 more of this in gearlab
rare fiber
Is helena the best use for the plygun? since they are in short supply
quiet glen
and check if u can craft ryuuseis in craft tab
no shes not the best
just give her the gear when u use her
but for example in ur bb fleet helena can take the 2nd plygun there since there is no user when they are fighting
rare fiber
I could craft 6~ ryuseis
quiet glen
if u want mass produceable good cl guns then u can craft 155kais but they are expensive
rare fiber
ah yeah the top secret plans are a bottle neck for me right now
quiet glen
I could craft 6~ ryuseis
2-3 is good to have for ur carriers
yea thats why i recommend only crafting gear in moderations and gearswapping instead
2 155kai isnt bad to have tho because u want them for w14
and afterwards u can use them on ur grinding cls
but also u dont have any champy gun or flandre gun
i recommend protocoring them asap
rare fiber
Gear switching is really tedious. Do mid-end game players really spend so much time swapping load outs constantly?
quiet glen
preferably 2 champy guns and 1 flandre gun
rare fiber
Sorry, I am not sure which guns those are
quiet glen
Gear switching is really tedious. Do mid-end game players really spend so much t...
i am still swapping loadouts
theres just no way to have best gear for 700 ships
rare fiber
Is there a trick to quickly swap load outs?
quiet glen
quickswap
rare fiber
or are you just muscle-memoried in
quiet glen
well i just know what to look for
quiet glen
Sorry, I am not sure which guns those are
these 2
season 6 and season 3 blue prints from protocore
rare fiber
when I eventually do FDG pity
quiet glen
not sure what u mean by fdg pity
quiet glen
oh catchup
rare fiber
capped out with coins
rare fiber
Oh. Then I planned that.
The prints for these roll over monthly, right?
I can make 1 champy gun right now and a second after the roll over and a flandre gun with the roll over
so decent timing
Is there a specific reason you recommend these two?
quiet glen
Is there a specific reason you recommend these two?
pretty much what u use for med/heavy bossing on most BBs
ofc raffaelo rainbow gun is stronger on medium
rare fiber
Got the guns mixed up. Can make a Flandre now and Ill have to wait 2 months for 2 champagne guns
I guess it makes sense since I wouldnt have gotten any season 3 research prompts
Is there a reason I need another KMS torp bomber?
I thought only AVP used it
quiet glen
plane fiddling
rare fiber
Ah I see
quiet glen
saiun/ju87d4 and ryuusei are timing sidegrades to each other
every cv uses it
(with tb slots)
rare fiber
So in OpSci, when going after the hard arbiter, I had to throw literally all 4 fleets at it to kill it. Am I expected to swap gear between each fleet to be optimal?
quiet glen
well yes
but
u can swap as needed
if ure comfortable killing it without swapping stuff then its just up to u if wanna kill it with less
rare fiber
Before talking, I was hoping to get 4 fleets loaded out with only minor adjustments for armor type but I guess that was some serious wishful thinking
quiet glen
like u could run something like this and do minimal gear change
like lion change gun to champy on heavy and change all to HE on light
rare fiber
Those AA guns kinda out of reach for me but I assume those are interchangable with other AA guns pretty comfortably
quiet glen
with staags
rare fiber
That seems reasonable to work towards then
Dont have everything I need just yet but I can get there
Thank you for all of your help
quiet glen
rare fiber
Oh, sorry
in the case of Lion's secondary, what would you substitute since it is event only?
rare fiber
I just wanted to follow up on this. Is this also recommendations for +13 gear and ringing ships?
quiet glen
I just wanted to follow up on this. Is this also recommendations for +13 gear an...
not rly this is just a template
altho the +13s shown are all good investments they may or may not be the highest prio for u
rare fiber
not rly this is just a template
altho the +13s shown are all good investments th...
Hey friend. Sorry if my pings are annoying. Let me know if you want me to shove off!
You shared this with me a few days ago. I am working towards aligning my equipment with everything on here as I can.
I have two Wyverns on my account. Am I able to replace the JU-87's with them or will that adversely effect timing in the Implacable fleet?
Also are there good alternatives for the LA9 on Fritz and the UR on August? I am focusing PR7 now but it will be a while until I get an LA9 finished. Also low on mats for the Sakura plane.