timing

[gaunt kestrel]

first, how would timing be used for my advantage?

is it just reload speed and faster attack?

and the timing number should be small, like golf?

[hidden kite]

fitting in skills windows
syncing fleets so they dont desync after a few strikes and be too slow to be in stopping window
syncing to attack specific boss patterns/skills

[gaunt kestrel]

so timing is just making sure you have the best combo

[hidden kite]

somewhat

[gaunt kestrel]

for all 6 ships?

[hidden kite]

mostly backline + helena

if you use her

but some bosses also warrant a need for you to sync backline with a frontline

[gaunt kestrel]

so like someone buffing all dd?

[hollow tiger]

lets

keep things simple

[hollow tiger]

lets talk point 1

skill windows

[native wing]

Oh jeez...timing is way more complicated than I thought it would be.

[hollow tiger]

do you know how helena works?

[gaunt kestrel]

you too?

[gaunt kestrel]

doesnt she buff people

[hollow tiger]

the opposite

she debuffs enemies

[gaunt kestrel]

ok, i have her pulled up. its every 20 seconds she has a chance to debuff

[hidden kite]

yea, for 10 seconds, so youd want to time your backline to around 20ish seconds to fit into the window

[native wing]

How do I check the timing for that? Is that just the firing speed on the guns?

[hollow tiger]

in short, yes

lets have an example

[gaunt kestrel]

and timing cant be optimized if im doing auto?

[hollow tiger]

it can

[hidden kite]

thats where reload tech and timing adjustment aux like autoloaders,fire contro, radars, manjuu and beacon come in

[hollow tiger]

this whole discussion is with the assumption its for auto

if its manual this isnt even a discussion

great i dont have a template fleet for helena

give me a bit

[hidden kite]

just a 20 second fleet

dont need a template

also theres also 1.5s stage delay , for boss spawn
which means your perfectly timed fleet at 20 seconds fire at 21.5 seconds
and then theres jamming , which causes your ships loading times to like increase
so it wouldnt be a linear +20 second time add each strike
which causes your fleet to slowly desync from helena and not reach its window if your sync is too slow

because you also have to account for your payload travel time and volleys if youre using bbs

[gaunt kestrel]

oh, so this fleet is based around auto and helena

[hidden kite]

i only auto
you can use helena sometimes, if you dont, then backline syncing is your primary concern, bc theres no much to sync for frontline

[gaunt kestrel]

stage delay sounds bad, makes it seem like my combo would be late

[hollow tiger]

ok

let's say

very simple

[gaunt kestrel]

mommy

[hollow tiger]

possible anti light BB comp

(most BB comps use helena)

[gaunt kestrel]

because of the barrage?

[hollow tiger]

because, as you can see

the guns neatly match up to 20s

[hidden kite]

her skill yes
and bbs are mostly underpowered compared to cvs

[hollow tiger]

also that

[gaunt kestrel]

oh, the guns fire for 20 seconds then reload?

[hollow tiger]

so this is how it looks like over the course of an 80s battle (meta showdowns are all 80s)

fire at 20s

[gaunt kestrel]

oh

i see

[hollow tiger]

visualisation

[gaunt kestrel]

and thats also taking into consideration the bb stats?

[hidden kite]

their reload stat yes
and w/e skill they have that may or may not affect their reload

[hollow tiger]

vanguard has high rld stat

[hollow tiger]

that's why she's the fastest

[gaunt kestrel]

i see

[hollow tiger]

so you may ask

why not carriers

[gaunt kestrel]

so thats why you dont want to equip one bb gun for all ships

would carriers be the same?

[hollow tiger]

well for HE you dont got an option

[gaunt kestrel]

OH SHIT

[hollow tiger]

lets say this

[gaunt kestrel]

so you want main to sync with someone with a skill like helena

[hollow tiger]

yes

[gaunt kestrel]

[hollow tiger]

so we know

[gaunt kestrel]

whats wrong with this?

[hollow tiger]

helena procs at 20, 40, 60

right?

[gaunt kestrel]

yep

[hollow tiger]

helena debuff lasts 10s

the last airstrike falls out of the debuff window

(you still have to account for travel time)

[gaunt kestrel]

and those carriers attack after debuff

ahhhh

[hollow tiger]

correct

that's why i dont like recommending helena for carrier comps

unless effort has been made to make them well

fast

[gaunt kestrel]

and travel time is what, around 3 seconds for the planes to fly across screen?

[hollow tiger]

about 1.5s

[gaunt kestrel]

the same for allcarriers?

[hollow tiger]

it varies slightly

between planes

#gameplay-help message

so say this guy's comp from earlier

[gaunt kestrel]

what about the vanguard? would tank and off tank even matter?

[hollow tiger]

#gameplay-help message

sorry this

23s

[hollow tiger]

worse than this com

you'd also lose the sync

[hollow tiger]

timing wise?
for vanguard?

[gaunt kestrel]

frontline

[hollow tiger]

unless your name is unzen, doesnt matter

frontline DPS

it's either shit

or consistent

[gaunt kestrel]

consistent how?

[hollow tiger]

most torp nukers are too shit to matter

but for unzen and ibuki

most of their DPS is from torps

so they get large spikes

they would benefit from helena

for other ships

say plymouth

they dont "nuke"

[native wing]

Does this already take the character’s reload stat into account? Or is the cycle time actually faster?

[hollow tiger]

they shoot a few shells, proc a barrage
continue again

[hollow tiger]

if equipped it does account for reload stat

not for skills or cooldown reduction from gear passive

[native wing]

Got it.

Thanks. So ideally I'd enchance this gun a bit more down to 20s to sync with helena

[hollow tiger]

correct

[hidden kite]

+10 enhance and use more rld tech if needed

[hollow tiger]

but there's stuff like these so

[gaunt kestrel]

and i can tell if a ship can benefit from helena simply by seeing if they use torpedo or secondary gun

[hollow tiger]

to keep it simple

only backliners and unzen (maybe ibuki too), benefit heavily from helena

kazagumo has torps but her damage is mostly negligble in context

[gaunt kestrel]

and if i wanna maximize my damage output?

[gaunt kestrel]

what website is this

[hidden kite]

run better gear
kazas reload times are cooked

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[hollow tiger]

same as always - sync

but for kaza...

[hidden kite]

you can also try syncing unzen to implac, tho it may be cursed

have fun syncing this
kaza btw

[hollow tiger]

she aint syncing

[gaunt kestrel]

ohhhh so thats why someone recommended the gold 533 quad for sandy, its 20.11 seconds per wave

[hidden kite]

no its just a good torp

[hollow tiger]

and sandy

has ass torps

[gaunt kestrel]

and would i sync all girls to 1 ship?

[hollow tiger]

no

[hidden kite]

sync backlines as close as possible
you can sync good ships to implac as well, but you requires more work and maybe sacking some damage, which prob isnt worth

[hollow tiger]

ignore vanguard syncs

[gaunt kestrel]

focusing on backline then

oh

for implac, you want her to send planes out as fast as possible

[hollow tiger]

no

how did you get to that conclusion

[gaunt kestrel]

When this ship launches an airstrike: 70% (100%) chance to lower the SPD of all enemies to 0 over 2s, keep it at 0 for 2s, then gradually restore their SPD to normal over 2s; when this effect activates: targets 1 random enemy (prioritizing humanoid enemies) and lowers their EVA by 10% (20%) for 6s.

[hollow tiger]

still doesnt explain it

[gaunt kestrel]

the faster i launch an air strike, the better

[hollow tiger]

why do you think so

im trying to understand what you're thinking

so i can explain whats wrong with it

[gaunt kestrel]

when implac launches an airstrike, it freezes enemies. the more airstrikes are launched, the more the enemy freezes

oh, you want her to stack no mercy until 9 and then the airstrike not only freeze but uses all 9 stacks of no mercy

[hollow tiger]

so what if the enemy freezes more

[gaunt kestrel]

i thought that itll be easier to hit. i didnt take to acount that i would be in auto and most likely the other backline would be carriers

[hollow tiger]

exactly

it doesnt matter if implacable alone is faster

if the other carriers dont hit the enemy when its frozen

[gaunt kestrel]

right, i didnt think of that

and others may not benefit from launching fast either

[hollow tiger]

also "as fast" as possible

usually sacrifices damage

the same that applies to helena

also applies to implacable

you want the other 2 carriers to hit during the time when the freeze is there

[gaunt kestrel]

yeah you right

so you wanna sync her timing with the other carriers then

[hollow tiger]

correct

so for example

(nakhimov can also freeze with the right team mates)

[gaunt kestrel]

and russian dr is better than implac?

[hollow tiger]

yes and no

it depends

if you flat out dont have nakhimov's team mates it matters for shit

impla is better

but in the best case for both

nakhimov flat out deals more damage

she really wants Soyuz though

[gaunt kestrel]

in the ideal setting, russian dr is better

[hollow tiger]

yes

[gaunt kestrel]

[hollow tiger]

for you, that wont be the case

for at least another year

[gaunt kestrel]

make it 2 for being realistic

[hollow tiger]

no soyuz after all, she'll prolly rerun in about a year

and nakhimov research takes about 4 mths

[delicate finch]

What's the current best Anti Light BB fleet?

Is it like Vanguard, Bizco and Alsace?

[hidden kite]

smth like that

or soy replace vanguard also works