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odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:22 AM

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w15 fleet

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lets assume i have all the ships but forgot to lvl them

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cause i have all UR

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 2:28 AM

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Mob: Musashi, Unicorn, Aquila, Laffey 2, San Diego, Shimanto
Boss: Alsace, Shinano, Amagi, Guam, Jeanne, Plymouth
Support: Implacable, Illustrious, Independence

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a few ways to optimize it if you really wanted to but it should be fine

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:29 AM

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ok ok thanks trying it now

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i still have the idea of the equipment used

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:30 AM

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the support fleet can have cat and fritz DunktsukiStare they are giga cracked

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:30 AM

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cat? nakhimov?

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is musashi in the middle or nah?

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:32 AM

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For AA equipment you start out with:

Roombas on Backline (twin 113mm)
Sexybofors on your AA carry (Sextuple 40mm)
Pastabofors on the rest of your vanguard (twin 90mm, pr4)

If you were to craft a rainbow 76mm gun, you'd replace the sexybofors first

ALO GPH specifcally reccomends STAAGs on main fleet first, though

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everything else is fairly standard

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ig torp buldges aren't too standard, but they help a lot in w15

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:33 AM

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gearing shouldn't be an issue for someone who has implac
right DunktsukiStare

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can even make 6 ur aa

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:34 AM

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2 years of opsi is probably enough for like 14-18 UR equips if they did every month

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and i doubt they did every month

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:34 AM

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well i only did my opsi last year

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i have 2 tenrais and 2 wyverns

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:35 AM

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i also did opsi last year because i started last year EntyLUL

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:35 AM

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same lol

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:36 AM

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but i can guarantee u it will be way easier than my attempt DunktsukiStare since i did a speedrun for it

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can u show how many designs do u have ?

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:36 AM

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waht if some ships are underleveld like alsace and shimanto

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what design

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the blueprints?

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:37 AM

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leveling up ships shouldn't be a question for someone who is going to do w15 DunktsukiStare

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yeah they are called designs

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 2:37 AM

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nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:37 AM

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in the depot first tab

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 2:38 AM

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odd meteor waht if some ships are underleveld like alsace and shimanto

you get them to 120 minimum before you even try

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:38 AM

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😩

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:38 AM

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you could consider using hte new asw plane

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:38 AM

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cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:39 AM

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i forgot how much it costs though

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:39 AM

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cyan sphinx you could consider using hte new asw plane

wdym by that? w15 has subs?

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:39 AM

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yes

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 2:39 AM

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nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:40 AM

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although i didn't use the cheat code
doing boss mob boss with 2 mountains made guam sustain at 0.1% hp laffey at 5% off tank and shimanto at 10% in the middle lvl 125 DunktsukiStare

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:41 AM

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odd meteor

fyi the largest jump in power is from +12 to +13 so you don't want to split gold plates

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except for auxes, sometimes

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:41 AM

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odd meteor

these are the gold designs
what about the ur ones ?

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:42 AM

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he's good for UR ones

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he has 2 wvyerns and a 100mm

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im pretty sure with what he screenshotted he could copy cheeky's screenshot exactly

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although if you have eldridge i don't see the use in Jeanne

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iff you have her retrofit

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:43 AM

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well i could, but isee some equipments that i can craft at gearlab

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 2:43 AM

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fuck

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:43 AM

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yeah it is hard for me to compare anyone's performance because 1 i didn't use the cheat code and 2 my fps were under 2 in the giga cv node

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 2:43 AM

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for the reccord, Eldridge should be Laffey 2 there

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:43 AM

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eldridge i dont know why i skipped her retro thing

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 2:43 AM

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forgot to change her out

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:44 AM

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odd meteor eldridge i dont know why i skipped her retro thing

biggets blunder

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:44 AM

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is that boss mob boss NagaThonk ?

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 2:44 AM

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upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 2:44 AM

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nocturne parrot is that boss mob boss <:NagaThonk:721896665174376539> ?

in theory it should be able to go either way

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:44 AM

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JBShock

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that is how cracked is the cheat code takesnotes

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:46 AM

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so im going to lvl up amagi cv, alsace and shimanto

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hmmmm

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:47 AM

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For support fleet I've found the most success mixing flapjacks and either purple fws or gold fws in this pattern:

Slowest cv: all fws
Middle cv: 1 fw slot, 1 flap
Fastest cv: all flaps

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it's kinda arbitrary though

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:48 AM

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wdym fastest cv? in reload?

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:48 AM

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yeah

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you just want to desync the different carriers so that the planes that do slip by have some of their hp taken out

static bluff Feb 25, 2025, 2:49 AM

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suchidata says that method is terrible

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just full skyrocket or full hellcat

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full hellcat if you have more wyverns

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:49 AM

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suchidata had issues, and this isnt cn method

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:49 AM

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wait what about the new one MutsukiHyperStare

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:50 AM

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10 trials per with the box plots doesn't give a statistically significant results

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:50 AM

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ill just go all flapjacks then

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:50 AM

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that's what most people do tbh

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 2:50 AM

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odd meteor ill just go all flapjacks then

I wouldn't bother

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way too expensive

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:51 AM

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upbeat wind

wait why not just use my other wyvern to unicorn?

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:51 AM

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if he has enough he can use i think
he is in electronic poverty

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 2:52 AM

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odd meteor wait why not just use my other wyvern to unicorn?

well you need some meat on the boss fleet

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 2:52 AM

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oooh ok ok

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:52 AM

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breguet also is very strong DunktsukiStare

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:54 AM

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static bluff suchidata says that method is terrible

suchidata tested 20 different setups with 10 trials per setup.

It essentially was unintentional p-hacking

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 2:55 AM

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i think it is safe to use the new plane even with the bugged speed thunking

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 2:56 AM

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I haven't seen anything definitely placing it better than purple fw atm tbh

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anyways essentially by testing 20 different setups he essentially just slashed the confidence of the results by like a factor of 10-20

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 3:01 AM

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what

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 3:03 AM

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i have a lot of twin 113, can i replace the twin 90mm?

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 3:03 AM

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preferably not

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 3:03 AM

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imo what made the new fighter promising was the announced flight speed but after discovering that it was bugged i think i still heard that the new one had the advantage thunking

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 3:03 AM

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upbeat wind preferably not

why 😭

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someone told me to use twin113 on vanguard w15

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 3:04 AM

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you'll have a lot of range but also a pretty long reload time if you use Roombas on everyone else

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 3:04 AM

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5 113 isn't the worst

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it was the cn req before iris aa

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 3:05 AM

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I'm not even gonna ask

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 3:05 AM

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hmmmm

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 3:06 AM

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upbeat wind what

If you wanted to apply error correction to the confidence interval for a setup testing 20 different intercept fleets with the a HB correction you'd divide the smallest p-value by 20, second smallest by 19, etc..

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it basically makes the whole test useless tbh

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 3:07 AM

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I'm gonna be honest, what you just said was complete gibberish to me

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 3:07 AM

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statistics TaihouScared

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 3:08 AM

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still doesn't exactly make the tests invalid or useless

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 3:08 AM

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basically there was a chocolate bar study in like 2014 or smth where they concluded choclate was healthy with a p<.05 for some metric

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but they studied like 18 different metrics

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same principle

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 3:10 AM

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uhhh

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I'm not quite sure I follow but all the tests are comparing the same results with varying set ups

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 3:10 AM

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when it comes to support fleet interceptions what is or are the random events that might interfere with the data thunking ? i think based on this the tester might put a suitable number of the total tests

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 3:10 AM

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you're not comparing against different factors here

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 3:11 AM

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yes, but you still would use the same error correction

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 3:11 AM

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ok for the record, my knowledge of statistics, data collection, etc is basically non existent

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 3:11 AM

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anyways suchi's tests were honestly fine but you can't use them to make any direct comparisons

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between the setups

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 3:12 AM

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KearThonk

static bluff Feb 25, 2025, 3:12 AM

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h u eh

upbeat wind Feb 25, 2025, 3:12 AM

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this wasn't about comparing vs the CN results though, not directly anyway

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 3:12 AM

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sorry about clogging thread

odd meteor Feb 25, 2025, 3:12 AM

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im leveling up my ships and cameback to this 💀

nocturne parrot Feb 25, 2025, 3:13 AM

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what i can assure u is this though
if u will use fw with under 2fps u won't do any damage and the enemy planes will hit ur backline in the giga cv node acuteshimagesturingsalutations

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i didn't test any other setups personally

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i tanked all the planes in the 2 cv nodes

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imo musasi might die

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 3:15 AM

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the a priori thinking behind a mix is that damage uptime is worthwhile b/c crash damage is equal from 1% remaining hp to 30% so a higher uptime for support gains value

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i dont like the cn reqs though

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it seemed like the reasoning was shaky

boreal sandal Feb 25, 2025, 3:31 AM

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cyan sphinx suchidata tested 20 different setups with 10 trials per setup. It essentially ...

Does this mean eHP3 is the greatest criminal of p-hacking

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 3:33 AM

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i assume the number of sims you ran gave more than enough confidence

boreal sandal Feb 25, 2025, 3:33 AM

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I actually ran ZERO sims.

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It's all just theory and models right now.

cyan sphinx Feb 25, 2025, 3:33 AM

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or however you did it

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p-hacking with models gg

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