Opsi fleets

[winged cradle]

So I realize that i might have gotten a few characters between my fleets mixed up a bit but nonetheless I suppose its all the same for whether or not theres better options.

Some ships are underleved so please disregard that, as Level isnt a huge concern for me at the moment as all I'm really doing is some set up for these two. I'm not entirely relying on them because im not doing insanely hard content atm.

Im also not worried about cats, i will handle that on my own time.

All im wondering is if theres better ships to be using or if what I have will suffice for their purpose as mob fleets.

Currently, my ideas are that I will swap New Jersey with Shinano, and that my 4th fleet needs probably better ships. I know laffeys in the wrong spot, I'll fix that later. But its mainly the ships in the fleet itself

[mortal sphinx]

just the dock is fine

[winged cradle]

Woops

[mortal sphinx]

if u split by main ships and vanguards its even better

[winged cradle]

Let me do that rq

Im on mobile so i wont have a giant view

[mortal sphinx]

is oke

[winged cradle]

Main fleet ss

Vanguard

Anything currently in a fleet is simply bc they're in opsi or because im leveling them for napoli (bc im poor on data chip things). Most others are bc of tech points so it looks very messy

My current ideas are just to get napoli and shinano and go with what ever ends up benefitting that. I would use like eldridge somewhere if i had her retrofit item but i missed the event

[mortal sphinx]

gimme a sec

how many ur bulins do u have

[winged cradle]

None

Wait

1

Im working on getting more

Im not worried about needing bullins, im just doing set up

[wintry patrol]

i think ur best bet is to get haku
the other ideas can wait a little bit

[winged cradle]

I'm currently building napoli, but i did just start her so i can probably still swap to haku

[mortal sphinx]

for now then
bismarck zwei nj warpsite - aegir helena ibuki
enterprise avp sara - anchorage sirius sandy
mob can be unicorn + 5 other ships

warspite should be change to fdg when she is d30

[winged cradle]

Warspite isnt a dev ship?

d30? Im assuming that means dev level 30

[mortal sphinx]

well im worried because without limitbreaks ships arent usefull
and u mention shinano but im not seeing her so post all ur URs aswell to sort ur UR mlb prio

yes

so when friedrich is dev30 she replaces warspite

[wintry patrol]

napoli won't benefit ur fleet progress as much as haku because haku is one of the strongest cv in the game
imo she is top4

[winged cradle]

I know they'll need limit breaks, but I can finish that later. Im not planning on using them immediately, im just trying to set the fleets up for future use right now. Most of the opsi stuff im doing right now doesnt need super optimized fleets atm because im not overly concerned with it.

Im just trying to see who i should aim to get for future builds, since im not really doing much else

[winged cradle]

Ohhh i thought fdg was like something else, it didnt click for me for a second

I have friedrich at 28 rn, i just need coins

A lot of them

[mortal sphinx]

well future builds dont mean much because meta is ever changing due to new and better ships being released
which means your investment prios might also change
i recommend setting short goals that are realistic to work with

also do not spread ur bulins over multiple ships

[winged cradle]

Though, will Haku work for a mob fleet? These two fleets are mainly mob fleets, though I have another fleet that isnt precisely a boss fleet, but they do fine as either boss or mob. Im trying to organize to make 3 and 4 dedicated mob fleets

[wintry patrol]

then u are understanding the game in the reverse i think
for opsi u only want 1 mob fleet at most
2 boss fleets at least

[winged cradle]

I get that. But as I said, I'm not overly concerned with minmaxing or meta. I suppose saying that just means that my goal at all is kinda useless, but Im also looking to just see what i can improve right now and whether or not thats a bad idea

[mortal sphinx]

yes then im abit confused how to help you
work on ur research ships
and then the rest depends on ur options
haku would help ur carrier fleet but she will take quite some time to be d30
so would fritz assuming theres no other mlb prios over her
work on lvling helena ig shes one of the biggest dmg amps in game on avg
eldridge is a good investment if u have her retrofit item
something like kazagumo if u have her provides nice dmg support for carriers through her buffs
prob a good idea to focus season 5 and get plymouth which will eventually replace ibuki
unless u can mlb z52 faster but rn fritz finish mlb is prio and afterwards musashi unless the UR from this month ( expected ) changes anything

[winged cradle]

Been thinking on this recommendation a bit and it gave me a bit of insight on what im missing with what I already have. I apologize if this was an overal reductive conversation, in the end I just wanted to know if there was anyone else I could swap noshiro out with or take the role of laffey that I already had. But, as Abd said and yourself, im probably mixing up my priorities

[mortal sphinx]

well playing for what ships u like is perfectly fine

study up on ships role and fleets role and ure golden

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=0#gid=0
you can use this to check what ships are ranked higher for lategame separated by content which is quite usefull
aswell as if their ranking is based on their personal dmg or for their buffs

[winged cradle]

Thank you

[wintry patrol]

where are u in the opsi progression now ?

[winged cradle]

I think when it comes to mlb,

I wanted to do z52's first because of the debuff she applies. With helena in mind, i was thinking maybe adding Helena into the mix as well for extra damage if it applies. Though im worried I'd be reliant too much on a single ship to act as tank. Though I suppose im also over estimating the difficulty of opsi tbh.

Unless it does get harder,

My current fleet i use for bossing is

Bismarck Zwei, Avp, Fritz

Agir, z52, and mainz

As probably far away from optimization as that is, that fleet alone powers through most bosses (except those abysal ones. Idk if those are even possible to do with just one fleet, but maybe. Probably, bc my "boss" fleet is hella unoptimizrd). For those siren facilities, they do just fine, even if my set up is less than ideal

[winged cradle]

Idk, i finished the main story according to the game

After chapter 5, i gained access to the arbiter fights and the giant siren facility take over thingies

I cant remember the exact name off the top of my head atm

Giant red swimming pool is all that comes to mind

[wintry patrol]

so u had just finished the story

[winged cradle]

Basically

[wintry patrol]

stronghold

[winged cradle]

Ya

[mortal sphinx]

z52 is great but before mlb shes not bringing enough to the table
like i said use helena with ur strongest ships since shes the biggest dmg amp in the game if if you reset for scans
and even if you dont on average shes one of the top
and you wont need more than 1 tank per fleet
aegir is perfectly find nad synergizes with BBs due to her Armor Break debuff which only affects fp dmg

[winged cradle]

I wish armor break affected more tbh

The damage calcs in this game are wack

[wintry patrol]

for now keep doing the daily missions
and try to unlock all the areas
if u still have the old shop try to hunt the good items like loggers coordinators and adapts in a side and the lab mats from another side
keep raising the adapt levels until around 190 for attack and endurance
ignore the healing then we can see how u will do the strongholds

[wintry patrol]

these smol details aren't important now

[mortal sphinx]

also

i just realized

ur ibuki is 5 stars

[winged cradle]

Well I had unlocked stronghold holds last month, and did them then. I've just been mostly building random ships i find interesting. Which is probably aimless as hell but oh well.

[mortal sphinx]

so uh

replace her with shima in the meantime

mb

[winged cradle]

Its fine, i sorta made too pr ships at once

Oops

[wintry patrol]

this is only preparing the base line as ships
these ships won't work optimally without the suitable gear

[winged cradle]

Well, thank you for the help either way, even as aimless as i may be it was helpful getting different input on other ships. I try to go back every now and then to re-evaluate my line ups, but i usually miss something. So at the very least it was helpfuls being given at least some direction on what should be aimed for

[winged cradle]

Well ya. But thats gonna take way longer than getting the ships themselves

[wintry patrol]

well since u have neglected opsi for over a year now that might stand true most of the easy to access op gear is from there

basically u start by buying gear with protocores and core data
white shells for the BBs radars from the research
use the protocores to buy the series 3 blueprints for the 406mm 50L BB gun

[winged cradle]

I considered myself (at the time, so like a year or two ago) way to underprepared. Now, recently, I've actually gotten into the game again. As of like september I believe, I've started playing more often.

[winged cradle]

I do have quite a few of that stuff. Except the gun. I do have a few radars, I already have a gold one on helena bc i literally cant use it anywhere else and it helps her skill for when i retrofit her

[wintry patrol]

yeah no issue just know how to spend what u have now
with an old account u can still invest in some good stuff here and there

[winged cradle]

Ya, i was very infrequent when i first installed, and only just now tried actually getting into the game

So all of my stuff is wack as hell

[wintry patrol]

don't mix helena's radar with the BB's

they are different aux

[winged cradle]

Oh you mean the iron blood radar?

I thought you meant the scanner

[winged cradle]

The big ass fence looking thing i mean

I didnt know what other radar you meant for a second

[wintry patrol]

i don't know if the aux have faction associated with

[winged cradle]

Oh that

I have 3 of them

But right now Bismarck has that UR version

And fredrich and nj already have the gold ones

[winged cradle]

I forgot that had radar in the name

[wintry patrol]

u can leave it as that then

what left is the main guns for med and heavy

[winged cradle]

I have that IJN Ur BB gun and thats about the only good AP i have

Its slow as shit tho

[wintry patrol]

this is the best and standard
u get from the proto shop mainly

u can craft in the gear lab but very expensive early on

[winged cradle]

I dont have the gun before it right now

So i cant craft it in gear lab quite yet

[wintry patrol]

yeah most of us didn't craft it

did u play during soyuz event ?

[winged cradle]

I'm very broke on BB guns.

[winged cradle]

Probably not

[wintry patrol]

u have 1 mk6

how is that possible

[winged cradle]

I got lucky in a tech pack

Rng refuses to give me anything else

It wont stop giving me autoloaders

[wintry patrol]

something is weird here
this gun is a new player reward

[winged cradle]

Never got it as a new player reward

[wintry patrol]

u want 3 of it at least

[winged cradle]

I got that out of a tech box

[winged cradle]

I know they're good guns and I've been really wanting another but opsi wont give me rubber like ever.

No the metal

Sorry

It looks like rubber

[wintry patrol]

keep opening boxes then
u don't have good bb guns

[winged cradle]

I know 😭

[wintry patrol]

can u show me the planes then

[winged cradle]

sigh

Ok

One moment

[wintry patrol]

boxes have decent planes overall it shouldn't be hard to get some good ones here and there

[winged cradle]

🗿

I used to think the btd1 was really good like a few months ago

So

Ya

[wintry patrol]

how much core data do u have ?

[winged cradle]

460 about

Havent done my hard missions today yet

But i have another 12 hours till i need to so im fine rn

I have up to chapter 11 for hard stages

I also only have the swordfish as well because i lacked slow skills for a time

And well, i have nothing else either

[wintry patrol]

how many protocores do u have ?

[winged cradle]

3500

Wait

You mean for the blueprint exchange?

Because i have like 5 of those

But if i wanted to get a UR bullin i have 3500 of those

[wintry patrol]

so 5

go to the depot and look for combat data

they are mainly in the beginner rewards on the top left in the main screen

[winged cradle]

But sorta need those for pr shops

I know what you mean now though. I thought the specialized core was the proto core, i got them mixed up

I do have a boat load of those though

The combat data

[wintry patrol]

analyze them all

[winged cradle]

But getting 3.2 mil exp takes forever 😭

[wintry patrol]

getting protocores take 1000x that forever

[winged cradle]

Ok

[wintry patrol]

well technically since i don't know exactly how much left in ur catchup i can't tell how long it will take but usually doing the exp farming takes at most 5 days

[winged cradle]

It feels longer than that

[winged cradle]

I can check

I have about 40 left for kearsarge. Says 116/150 if you mean those research catchups

Idk what else you could mean tbh

[wintry patrol]

with a normal speed the exp u get should be on the same pacing as the mission durations
second i m opening the game now
but also what u will see is from someone who tries to maintain above 120 moral for the exp bonus and also suffering from oil overcap all the time so someone else might do it even better
not to mention if someone also use the C1 grinding method it will be even faster

ultimately the exp mission for the shipyard ships is a joke

[winged cradle]

C1?

I dont know any of the community language

[wintry patrol]

yeah in opsi easiest stage
corrosion 1

[winged cradle]

Ah

Wouldnt doing missions in campaign be better?

Opsi doesnt seem to give a whole lot of xp at first

[wintry patrol]

the idea is to keep repeating c1 until u spot the cat

and see if she sells ap crates then repeat

[winged cradle]

Huh

Didnt think of that

Sounds like that takes forever though

[wintry patrol]

it is one of the most hardcore thing someone can do

but can do the job without any resources at a very high chance

there were occasions were people dipped 800ap without any return but over time that can be shifted to a positive net

but anyway i was just telling that the exp missions are nothing compared to some other stuff especially when u pretty much have 0 protocores

tell me how much u got after analyzing ALL of them

don't leave any non analyzed

[winged cradle]

I need to analyze them rq, i got side tracked for a moment

[wintry patrol]

that is not a lot

k now go to the depot crafting section
filter by UR

[winged cradle]

I dont have any UR equipment i can craft in my depot

I checked last night, im not getting very lucky on research

[wintry patrol]

i want to see how many prints u have

[winged cradle]

Ah

[wintry patrol]

how many catchups are left in the shipyard
now we can analyze many DR ships for a lot of proto

drake azuma can net u 6000

[winged cradle]

Only have 40 left but i dont have any DR ships at max dev yet. My closest is agir but I've been doing kearsarge because i can level agir with coins

[winged cradle]

And yes, i know now that this was probably bad planning

[wintry patrol]

did u use all the DR catchups ? even for drake and azuma ?

[winged cradle]

I've been trying to do as much research as possible to potentionally get some UR and SR guns, but I've not been very lucky. I've been doing the ones that start with Q because of a table I saw that listed which are the best for gear and such. But ya. I still dont grt lucky.

[winged cradle]

Im confused by what you mean catch up now.

[wintry patrol]

can u show me the research screen ?

[winged cradle]

In the research tab, theres an option to set a ship for catch up. If thats what you mean. If thats the case, then I havent exactly finished any one ship on catchup

[winged cradle]

Sure, just give me a moment

Which screen of research though? The projects or the one to set a focus?

[wintry patrol]

that is the one
basically for the golden ships they have a shared 300 prints
analyzing a gold print gives u 5 proto
for the ur ships each one have a separated 150 prints
each one gives 20 proto that is why it is 3000 per ur ship

[wintry patrol]

focus

[winged cradle]

I dont think i have any ship max completely done on catchup. But my only completely maxed out dev ship is odin bc i thought she looked cool as hell

[wintry patrol]

show me this screen

[winged cradle]

Ok

[wintry patrol]

change this to IV

done ?

[winged cradle]

Have to restart my game

It bugs out everytime i change which app im in

Mobile moment

I used to have it on 4 but i set it to 1 because i was trying to get a CL gun I couldnt craft but oh well

But i have it set to 4 now

[wintry patrol]

setting it to IV is very suboptimal in this current era

setting it to I is basically hitting urself

smashing urself even

[winged cradle]

Pause.

Anyway

Ya

[wintry patrol]

done ?

[winged cradle]

I just wanted a gun i saw that was only available in pr1

I forgot which one tho

[winged cradle]

Ya

[wintry patrol]

do u know how to pick researches

in this case gear focused research

[winged cradle]

Sorta? I read a table guide that anything starting with Q was the best for gear

If my memory is correct

Then I think it was H that was best for bp

[wintry patrol]

k that is correct
the other one should be either G1.5 for fast cycling or the scrap gear that i don't know which letter was it

[winged cradle]

I think the scrapping ones were rated as very poor

[wintry patrol]

so for now pick this and queue it

[winged cradle]

Theres a table provided by a bot in the bot channel

Thats where i got

[winged cradle]

Normally what i usually do

Im broke asf rn i need coins

[wintry patrol]

the very poor ones are
the commission and basic
followed by complete chapters ones

[wintry patrol]

the one i told u to pick is a Q that means it requires gear plates

1h grey 2h blue 4h purple

[winged cradle]

Oh right

[wintry patrol]

that one is 4h

after filling the queue we move to the proto shop

i will explain how u get proto later with the catchup mechanic
hopefully u still have some left

when done tell me

[winged cradle]

I got like two q projects, the rest od my queue had to be filled with only the G ones

Thats all i got

Unfortunately

🗿

[wintry patrol]

it doesn't matter u just cycle them daily until u finish a tenrai

that is why the queue should be always filled with something

are u in the proto shop screen

[winged cradle]

I will be in a second. But i cant look at discord and al at the same time

[wintry patrol]

btw this is one way to get the old research gear
instead of setting the focus u just buy with protocores

[winged cradle]

Im assuming i just spam catch up on a finished ship or something?

Or is there something im missing

[wintry patrol]

yes on a dev30 ship
after she reaches 30 u start getting prints from the catchup

which is a somewhat a long process

about 2 months of coining

but it is the best one

[winged cradle]

Catchup already gives me the prints of which ever ship is focused whether they're at dev 30 or not

Thats what im doing on kearsarge. At least if i understand what you're saying, correctly

[wintry patrol]

the developing mechanic prioritizes the prints u have in the depot before coining

so if u do the catchup before the ship reaches dev 30 those prints will be used to develop her and not to analyze as protocores

[winged cradle]

The only dev 30 ship i have is odin then

Agir and fdg are at 28 rn

[wintry patrol]

since kearsarge doesn't have coining yet u can use her catchup just fine

[winged cradle]

Alright

[wintry patrol]

if u didn't use agir and fdg catchup than that is very massive as a protocore income

since both are very close to 30

[winged cradle]

I used agir a bit but idk how much.

I should have at least 50 left for each

I think i used only coins for fdg

[wintry patrol]

yeah it is still very good income

ok i think we can move to the proto shop now

[winged cradle]

Alright

Also, i have 0/300 for SR on pr2

Just to toss that out there

But only 20 for DR. I forgot azuma is in dr2 as well

[wintry patrol]

SR don't give much but 300 is 1500 so yeah kinda massive added to fdg and agir

u should be fine overall

[winged cradle]

Alright

[wintry patrol]

k the aim is to get 1 tenrai

[winged cradle]

I can get 34 prints and only have like 3 or 6 righr now.

Nvm, i have 9

[wintry patrol]

optimally it is 2 tenrai but since IV is now down on the list because of VII we can settle on 1 and craft the second one after sometime in the gear lab

[winged cradle]

Im so broke 😭

Ig i only need 7 more

I suppose thats not too bad

[wintry patrol]

what u want to get first is the 406mm 50L

[winged cradle]

I dont see a 406 50L

[wintry patrol]

these prints are limited to 20 per month and u need 25 to craft 1

[winged cradle]

Also i forget i can split my screen

So thats fun

[wintry patrol]

it is in the series III

[winged cradle]

Oh those ones

Thought it was the other ones

[wintry patrol]

that gun is the best gun against heavy armor

u want multiple of it

at least 2

[winged cradle]

Ig i buy 20 prints then?

[wintry patrol]

yes

[wintry patrol]

something the emulator users are deprived from

[winged cradle]

Me rn

I cant read shit

Its so cramped with my keyboard open

[wintry patrol]

the remaining standard gear is
3 white shells

3 staags

[winged cradle]

I have 3 ap shells already

So im good on those

[winged cradle]

Which series?

[wintry patrol]

these are poverty staags

[winged cradle]

I have some of those

2

Already on BB's

[wintry patrol]

u get them from researches

[winged cradle]

Im at least aware of the weird way AA is handled

[winged cradle]

Ah

I thought we'd be getting more of those bp things

[wintry patrol]

well for the BBs and CV/Ls mainly the hit increase is what matters the most

[wintry patrol]

we will be having a very soon gear lab update in which they will put the IV gear there

[winged cradle]

Ah ok

[wintry patrol]

it is better to just craft from the gear lab

[winged cradle]

Except i never have enough electronics

The times i have done opsi, it gives me maybe 1 every whenever it feels like it

[wintry patrol]

i think the income is between 40-50 per month

[winged cradle]

I wish

I barely get any the times I've cleared some strongholds last month

[wintry patrol]

just play the game

yeah 50 assuming u clear everything

which is ngl a lot of time investment

[winged cradle]

Ya. I often dont have too much time

I have time today because im stuck at my house

[wintry patrol]

the reason why i leave opsi to the last 3 days of the month

[winged cradle]

But otherwise ya

[winged cradle]

I wish i had that patience

Which stage was for coin farming again?

I remember it was chapter 7

I thinn

Think*

But forgot which one

I need money

[wintry patrol]

it is press auto and let it run for an extensive amount of time
whether first map clears
hidden areas
strongholds

[wintry patrol]

12-4

[winged cradle]

The only ones i cant let it to autorun is on strongholds. My average level is only 110 between my fleets

[wintry patrol]

anything under w9 is very bad

[winged cradle]

Theres was another one i could just enter and leave repeatedly

I think?

[wintry patrol]

strongholds need 188 tuning which requires some time investment before it mainly clearing dailes and buying tuning from the ports

[winged cradle]

I was at 200 when i unlocked them. And even then they were tough if my fleet wasnt at least lvl 115

[wintry patrol]

no there isn't
u just put the leveling fleet in 12-4 and get 7k coins per 3 runs

[winged cradle]

I had ignored the chapters for opsi for a while

Then i did them on a whim last month

[wintry patrol]

yeah u want lvl 125 ships for the stronghold

[winged cradle]

I managed to do it like 20 levels underleveled on 4 ships

Lol

[wintry patrol]

sometimes u fight one that has strong skills that can wipe u easily

[winged cradle]

I love iron blood ships

They've carried my entire career

[wintry patrol]

i think the only ib ship i m using in the stronghold is just uvh and she is kinda strong maybe

[winged cradle]

Doesnt she get shots off super fast or smthn?

I read somewhere that shes like an accelorator or something, what ever the hell that means

[wintry patrol]

yeah double the speed when off flag

[winged cradle]

Zamn

[wintry patrol]

but significantly lower damage multiplier to balance it out

[winged cradle]

So, i decided to develope Haku as suggested and i realize now i have very very few ijn main ships

I got nagato and kii as my only mlb ships for the main

[winged cradle]

I wish i got her but when her event first came around i had like 30 cubes and no coins so i never lucked out. Now i hoard cubes

[wintry patrol]

do u have shouhou and houshou ?

[winged cradle]

I do not

[wintry patrol]

the 2 ryuus ? souryuu and hiryuu

[winged cradle]

I do have taihou but i literally just got taihou yesterday evening because i was building ships for dailies

[winged cradle]

No 🗿

I dont have anything

[wintry patrol]

[winged cradle]

I am exceptionally broke

[wintry patrol]

how did u have enough tech points to start developing her

[winged cradle]

I need to charge my phone

[winged cradle]

Vanguard ships

Like a lot of them

90% of my ijn ships are vanguard

[wintry patrol]

the ones that have a somewhat okeyish tech are katuragi and kii

yamashiro has the best tech there but also retrofit

after retrofit she becomes giga weak

[winged cradle]

I just need one that can get levels for Haku, idc much if they're strong. Laffey 2 alone already eats up mob fleets for breakfast

Also im fine on ijn tech points. I have way more vanguard ships than i need to fill in where needed

[wintry patrol]

use yamasiro katuragi and kii then

also using maxed ships and especially them taking mvp is very bad efficiency

[winged cradle]

Ya i know. But its either that, or i play on chapter 8.

[wintry patrol]

always try to hunt for useful tech

[winged cradle]

2000 xp is still 2000 xp tho

[winged cradle]

Tech points, or tech like gamer slang tech?

[wintry patrol]

don't farm for the shipyard ships under w11

[winged cradle]

I know

[wintry patrol]

if u know how u gear the ship with 1 or 2 crossfleets u can level in 12-1 very easily with very underleveled ships

like lvl 80

[wintry patrol]

ship tech is a stat increase that gives to all the ships once it hits 120

[winged cradle]

Ya but i still need a fleet to fight the boss. Eventually its just gonna be a 50% debuff on dmg due to ammo if i make the leveling fleet fight every battle

[wintry patrol]

for example

[winged cradle]

Ya i know that. I was just confused for a second

Idk why tbh

[wintry patrol]

katuragi gives 2 hp when u get her and when lvl 120 gives 1 hit to all cv/l

[wintry patrol]

the usual pathing is
when someone starts playing almost or more than half the ships will go to the bossing fleet once they hit w11

that is where someone should start considering doing some swapping to level more ships

it is kinda of a delicate process to move from 1 to 2 fleeting as a new player

what i always recommend is to level up certain ships to 115 then move them to the bossing fleet so u can level new mobbing ships

[winged cradle]

Do i just level the ship in the boss fleet or something then?

Im not sure what you're trying to say

[wintry patrol]

i was trying to explain when and how someone should move to 2 fleeting to evade the 0 ammo situation

[winged cradle]

I guess i misunderstood a bit

[wintry patrol]

i m just copy pasta this here because it went so much above #1339297894968066100 message

[winged cradle]

Ok

[wintry patrol]

so for example here u just throw bz sara warspite with agir port z52 in the boss fleet
for the mob fleet u do kii katuragi yamasiro anchorage helena sima or chan chung

with the right gear and lvl 80 that can do 12-1 easily

[winged cradle]

Portland? Port who?

Portfolio?

Im not accustomed to the nicknames unless i use the character activrly

Sorry

[wintry patrol]

can u do something like this

[winged cradle]

I never thought if using portland tbh

I could never find where to use her

[wintry patrol]

just level to 120 and toss

u have more than enough tanks

if u have good gear on the mobbing fleet u can try to do 12-4 when they reach around lvl 105

on average

i personally don't run 12-1 anymore although many would recommend because of the cog chips

personally i feel that 12-4 is better because it burns oil faster with slightly higher coin efficiency

[winged cradle]

@wintry patrol sorry for the ping if you don't appreciate sudden pings, but I wanted to ask your opinion on this line-up?

I can swap some ships around, but I'm just trying to make good use of who I already have fairly level and not made out of paper.

I know these aren't exactly as people suggested, but I'm happy with them. Was just wondering if they're optimal at all. Not too pressed about minmaxing, just wanted to ask if these are at the least good teams.

I know I should probably swap kearsarge with fdg, but I want at least some intercept capability and her burn is really good (compared to my other options that is). I have Kearsarges skill fairly leveled, so at the very least she offers utility. Though, I think she may be almost useless due to the fact that NJ will also apply burn. I was thinking if I should swap Kearsarge and enterprise in their spots. Or put sara in that position.

Asking myself that now, I think thars better. Placing Sara with NJ and putting kearsarge in place of Sara in fleet 2 so they retain some burn capability.

Well now im stuck swapping people around lol

I want both boss fleets to have good burn capability (like nj and kearsarge) but at the same time, kearsarge isnt really leveled high enough to not weigh them down, but also, those two fleets lack any intercept. Though I suppose thats a bit of a none issue. Hrmm.

Thinking I should also place anchorage in fleet 1 insteas of z52, but z52's debuff on top of helena is very appealing

[winged cradle]

I mean intercept with how I've swapped them around now. Sara is mostly just dive bombers so having 1 fighter makes me nervous

[wintry patrol]

use kearsarge when she is dev30 in a cv fleet
her utility is more suited there because it frees u an air raid support lock from the vanguard line and can use more ships there for aa or more damage
the first fleet needs helena to be retrofit and using the radar for the -4 seconds on the first scan
the cats should be an antenna or lime on the left and an oscar on the right
the rest look okey
the vanguards in the second fleet can use kazagumo more than sirius
but most of the time we use both of them in the same fleet
the cats are jiro purple and bisha but there are also other purple usable cats for cvs
the mobbing fleet looks alright but i know that fritz is still not mlb

[winged cradle]

Fritz has been doing fine despite not being mlb

Surprisingly

I mainly care about her skill for the mob fleet rather than any major damage she may push. It sounds reductive and it probably is, but im lazy asf and it speeds things up

So im not complaining

Im also working on retrofitting helena, i still need to do it, i just need coin

Thats really it

Im broke

[winged cradle]

I dont have kasagumo either :(

[wintry patrol]

one of the hardest duties for the mobbing team is being able to full auto a stronghold
basically go into the red whirlpool press the orders and reveal all the map
then auto it and come back later with the map full cleared

but also there are times where u want to take a look midway because sometimes the fleet gets stuck in a fog

[wintry patrol]

they added kazagumo in the medal shop last month so check that regularly for the DDs

she is still the best cv support for the vanguards

[winged cradle]

Its BB and CA rn

[wintry patrol]

although her buff doesn't affect enty that much

then keep the cv fleet as that

[winged cradle]

So i looked at Kazagumo's skill and Kearsarge, and the Wiki says they wont stack since Kaza's skill is an air raid skill

Oh wait im dumb, you wanted me to swap sirius

So kearsarge wouldnt be in that fleet

Oop

Actually

I think i moved fdg to fleet 1, sara to fleet 3 and kearsarge to fleet 2

So kazagumo wont fit anywhere

Unless I move kearsarge back

[wintry patrol]

dev 20 kearsarge is pretty much unusable which mean any random SR CV will do better even without kaza since u have enty in the fleet

also if u see her loadout u will notice that she is primarily made as anti light armor and can be used against med but for heavy she is a lot worse because she lacks torpedo

[winged cradle]

Its mainly the skills i care most about atm

I dont have anyone else remotely above level 50 with an air raid skill. At the very least, keasarge wont die instantly

[wintry patrol]

when u think about the backline always try to think that it is ur main damage source
so even with good skills but lackluster loadout the ship will underperform heavily to the point that not using her skill and using a better loadout ship will do much more overall

air raid assistance aka ara doesn't affect much enty which i think i said for the 3rd time

[winged cradle]

Its a 15% flat damage bonus? Damage is still damage

[wintry patrol]

i dunno how the calculations work but i think u aren't reading my messages at this point

if u want to use the ship u can do it btw i m not forcing u to remove her

i m just telling u the optimal way of how u think when u build

also imo for this month it is better to use warspite instead of fdg
when she is fs5 replace her

also higher level

[winged cradle]

You're giving me multiple different things to read at once, im just trying to follow

[winged cradle]

Well, i looked into them and the way air raid works is that is a final 15% additional damage delt on top of the sum of damage dealt from skills and gear and stats.

So if enty deals 200 damage as final damage (of course she wont deal this low) that 200 damage is then increased by 15% via air raid. Kearsarges skill works exactly the same. Which us why it doesnt stack.

I'm not all that knowledge on fleet building, but I have spent some time to look into damage calculations. So even if kearsarge herself is only applying burns and skill based damage (which i have her skills maxed) even if she underpreforms in that regard, shes skill giving enty a giant boost in damage.

I also don't really any ships with air raid that aren't blues (which i usually dont even have) anyway. I could swap her out with another CV but i have no other cv who has leveled skills because I never really uses them.

Im not trying to argue and say that kearsarge's skill provide more than enough value, but im just saying they're the only value i have.

Also I may swap fdg out with war spite, i just neglected to do so because originally i put fdg in the mob fleet to act as extra securiry just in case of suicide boats. I normally dont use fdg much because I don't have the proper gear to spare for her and because, as mentioned before in previous conversations, her dev level isnt at 30 yet and i havent begun fs so shes a bit underpowered

[wintry patrol]

ok i just got the right intel about how ara works with enty
basically u should know that the strongest enty point is her having a chance to proc 100% more damage so basically it doubles her damage when she says
the ara doesn't stack multiplicatively with it but instead it is additive
so if we assume she does a baseline of 150.000 damage
if she procs owarida all the times it will go to 300.000
if she has ara it will go to 322.500 and not 345.000
because they share the same damage boost
this is why it is better to wait until kear is at a higher dev levels so she can contribute herself in the fight
in ur current progression since u are focusing iv now it will take quite a long time before that
pr6 is one of the lowest priorities among 4 5 6 7
if u want to switch to 6 u can do it too but u will be shooting ur progression in the leg
in this current scanrio i would ditch pr6 completely until 2 years when they become coinables if i don't have enough prints to make kear around past half dev 27 at least
also this will be a factor of how pr8 will be
if the pr8 will have a higher priority than 6 which is extremely likely to happen then wait 2 years for the coining
again this is the ideal routing
research and shipyard is one of the most tedious mechanics in the game
if u want to have an optimal progression there sacrifices have to be made

my progression is in a better situation and even though if i didn't play the game consistently to get enough generic pr6 prints i would have ditched kear too