#just what exactly do you have to work
woeful wasp
What would you like to see? I can show you all my gear by type, both crafted and uncrafted, and my gear lab resources?
stoic vault
with all of those selected I have 313/328
i would not recommend that tbh
woeful wasp
30, fate 0
spiral scaffold
well you can feel free to use pr4 DRs on her if you want i think 
but it would be wiser long-run to save them for protocore
torn olive
Why not Shinano, Unicor, Independence for boss?
calm harness
Mob: FDG, Unicorn, Zuiho, San Diego, Chang Chun, An Shan
Boss: Vanguard, Shinano, Amagi, Anchorage, Yuudachi, Lala
woeful wasp
i dont need unicorn for boss fleet atm, maybe in later stages if boss fleet starts to die
calm harness
Why not Shinano, Unicor, Independence for boss?
clearly have not done much W14 have you
spiral scaffold
why would you use unicorn in boss tf
woeful wasp
brb a couple mins sorry
torn olive
I'm not sure he can deal enough damage befor die
spiral scaffold
so nerfing his dmg will help how exactly
woeful wasp
ok im back
spiral scaffold
also you definitely want a bb in ch14 and you definitely need unicorn in mob
not everyone raised 2 unicorns like you LOL
torn olive
preload and heal for few more waves
spiral scaffold
and aquila is better for boss healer anyway
torn olive
Unicore not so bad as dps
stoic vault
u can use two different unicorns in both fleets?
spiral scaffold
her dmg isnt bad but it isnt remotely comparable to top bossing cv damage
spiral scaffold
u can use two different unicorns in both fleets?
in campaign only, yes
doesnt work for opsi
stoic vault
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woeful wasp
how does zuihou compare
torn olive
double heal
spiral scaffold
zuihou good secondary healer in mobfleet
woeful wasp
Mob: FDG, Unicorn, Zuiho, San Diego, Chang Chun, An Shan
Boss: Vanguard, Shinano...
Z52>Lala for boss fleet or nah?
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not really but your Z52 isn't MLB and you can MLB Lala
spiral scaffold
why not z52 mobtank and sandy offtank
calm harness
eh sure then
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Unicore not so bad as dps
my dude, you have failed to make it past 14-1 at this sage and even the fleets you used used to clear 14-1 were frankly questionable
you're no in a position to be giving advice on how to clear W14
torn olive
14-1 just now. Maybe but I can say even on shit team it's doable
Btw Anchorage better on boss
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Z52>Lala for boss fleet or nah?
anyway, gear should look something like that, pretty easy to assemble
torn olive
When you can pass it once you can make next time better. And what I agree Unicorn + Zuihou is a good choice for mobing
woeful wasp
ive got yellow shell for vanguard, is that better?
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14-1 just now. Maybe but I can say even on shit team it's doable
again, 14-1 is literally the tutorial stage for W14 in affect, if you're struggling there then you have little hope of clearing the rest of the chapter as is
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ive got yellow shell for vanguard, is that better?
no, but Table is better than a Fire Control radar if you have 2
woeful wasp
oh didnt see the table on FDG as well
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again, 14-1 is literally the tutorial stage for W14 in affect, if you're struggl...
also, the fleets just make me cringe, why are you dragging a level 80 eldridge through W14 among other things
wait until your ships are at least 120 among many other things
also 50/50 chance you manualed which makes things even less impressive
torn olive
because it's LEVELING team.... it's a team to leach exp from 12-4 and 13-4 I'm not even change what I have
woeful wasp
swap these 2 in over 2 of the unimproved 533s?
torn olive
it's not even mai fleet
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swap these 2 in over 2 of the unimproved 533s?
yes
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because it's LEVELING team.... it's a team to leach exp from 12-4 and 13-4 I'm n...
then what are you even trying to prove here
and why are your forcing ships that you're still working up in content you're not really gonna be able to level them in
woeful wasp
twin 113 AA better than STAAG?
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no
woeful wasp
oh wait the staags are main, 113s on vanguard
so 113s are better for vanguard ships? or should I have staags on all?
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well you still still need to pay attention to your AA set up even though planes are not a main concern
so no all staggs would not be good
woeful wasp
what's the drawback?
woeful wasp
whats alpha sorry
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all Roomba isn't that optimal either but it's my usual lazy AA set up
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whats alpha sorry
damage per reload cycle basically
woeful wasp
ah okay
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how much damage is done in a single strike
woeful wasp
Gotcha. btw this is my current setup for Shinano (1st image) and Amagi (2nd)
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pretty shit for W14
woeful wasp
fair
spiral scaffold
14-1 just now. Maybe but I can say even on shit team it's doable
i have so many questions
the first being why did you make an 86% ehp dd the main tank of your boss fleet
torn olive
L'Audacieux my second tank and my first, she did a lot of work vs mobs, she should be in mobing team
alot aoe
if you about her
My team if I will be serious Unicorn+Zuihou+Shinano - LAud+SnanDiego+idk for mobing team
and
Musashi+NJ+Strasburg (or secon Unicorn) - Anchorage+Watarase+Z52 for boss
calm harness
yeah that'll fail for a number of reasons
one, suicide boats are thing in W14 and by the time you get to 14-3 you'll see new ones with 10k HP and an unbrekeable shield facing forwrad that partially protects them
you're vanguard will not kill them consistently and they'll just cripple your main fleet
spiral scaffold
you need a bb in each fleet ideally
calm harness
you're also gonna be lacking ACV and recon with those fleets so have fun getting ambushed
torn olive
FgD not bad vs suicide than
spiral scaffold
also whats this insistence on using audacious as a tank
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not to mention Starsborg is aggressively mediocre and BBs end to have worse wave clearing abilities than BBs, something which is very important in W14 given the abiliy of enemies o maul your ships
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and that's withou even getting into any potential gear issues
torn olive
shes 86% bro <:UniHurt:588629689351012381>
wdm?
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anyway, I reiterate my point from earlier, your experience with W14 is virtually non existent so you're really not qualified to give advice on it at all and yet you insist on doing so
spiral scaffold
My team if I will be serious Unicorn+Zuihou+Shinano - LAud+SnanDiego+idk for mob...
just use like
musashi unicorn zuihou sandy laud watarase
nj shinano some good carrier anchorage someone z52
it'd be at least a bit better than this
spiral scaffold
tldr she's not meant to tank anything
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spiral scaffold
she can offtank fine, probably (but would prefer middle slot if possible)
sandy laud wata would actually be decent for w14 mob i think (with musashi flag)
laud can carry hedgehog and sandy can tank alright. wata is durable enough to offtank
and all 3 have solid mobbing capabilities
torn olive
idk, she has low dps vs single target and good vs waves, not a fan Portland so can't compare it. And she from my first day in AL so did a lot
calm harness
she's literally gonna be used in a mob fleet and you'll struggle to find thicker mobs than W14
and frankly, sentiments don't translate into performance
torn olive
wata always deal same damage as my backline and double or triple as other vanguard so I place her on middle or off tank if helena on team
calm harness
yeah have you ever stopped to consider why that's the case and why we say don't teck end screen damage numbers at face value
torn olive
yes, laud missing a lot and wata have autotarget barrage (not sur but seems) and I play game always on auto fight mod
laud good if you control her
spiral scaffold
calm harness
not what I meant
I meant like, are you actually gearing your main fleets well
and consider what enemies you're fighting
is Watarase actually doing more damage than your main fleet or is she just killing trash enemies before the main fleet even gets to fire
not to mention AA damage is counted in end screen damage and the differences of that can get a bit interesting to say the least
torn olive
maybe or maybe wata have better barrage
spiral scaffold
wata is a strong vg ship but she isnt gonna compare favorably against top tier backline dps
she isnt even the top end of vg dps 
but shes pretty good yes
am sad i missed her
torn olive
Idk Howie vs Vestal backline
spiral scaffold
i have no idea what this is meant to prove
calm harness
well among other things what gear are they running
torn olive
I know you use math but what I'm noticed her damage depends on flagship and even if I made team without wata but with laud my team deals less dmg
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their skill levels, etc
torn olive
skill max, standart dd
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not to mention Watarase loses just flat 15% damage dealt without an IJN flag
torn olive
not sure about wata
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skill max, standart dd
your and my definition of standard DDs aren't exactly gonna be the same
spiral scaffold
isnt audacious a mobbing dd
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moreso yes
torn olive
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well there's part of the issue
you're gimping Le AUdacious's damage with a shit gun
her torps are also just worse than Wartarase's
Watarase is also running one piece of of Offensive auxilary further boosting her damage
Le Audacious is no
spiral scaffold
very biased comparison
calm harness
does Katsuragi send out planes?
spiral scaffold
granted laud is oathed but the gear diff is big regardless
spiral scaffold
does Katsuragi send out planes?
yes
give aud a proper gun
torps is fine cos hers are meh anyway tbh but do keep in mind the +13 and torp diff is a bit in wata's favor
torn olive
next time I made same gear but even like that Wata scale barrage from torp and have better torp stats, Laud from FP and have kess stats
spiral scaffold
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you literally can't give them both the exact same gear
spiral scaffold
also audacious doesnt need but does enjoy having a french in the fleet
15% crit rate and 15% crit damage
torn olive
I know first team was with strasburg
spiral scaffold
likewise wata would very much like a japanese in the fleet
torn olive
Priority target - autotarget? I mean target lock or how is it?
calm harness
anyway this is why you should properly gear your ships
Watarse's damage was being boosted by 15% because of having an IJN flag and yet
torn olive
Anyway as I said wata have auto target as z52 and this skill depends on flagship
Try any other flagship with weapon even from Vichiya which will buff laud
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AA radars used on le audacious to equalize aa stats and stop that from massively affecting end screen results
anyway, my point is not to try and say one is better than the other
it's to consider that there are many factors when determining a ship's performance and not to take end screen damage numbers at face value
spiral scaffold
anyway this is why you should properly gear your ships
oh i thought wata did more dmg tbh
torn olive
Yes, but I don't tell you that point. I said wata my main vanguard dps and laud my tank and you start discussion that laud better
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<:NagaThonk:721896665174376539> oh i thought wata did more dmg tbh
she would have if I had an IJN flagship that does damage she would have had it pretty easily
not to mention abnormally long fights like this really favor Le Audacious
torn olive
Vestal same
spiral scaffold
Yes, but I don't tell you that point. I said wata my main vanguard dps and laud...
neither is a tank
torn olive
They did same damage without back dmg dealers
stoic vault
the original thing was talking about how laud wasnt a good tank, i think i really cant tell anymore
calm harness
Yes, but I don't tell you that point. I said wata my main vanguard dps and laud...
wata always deal same damage as my backline
I don't know what you're getting at but my rebuttal and point of discussion was at that
torn olive
**wata always deal same damage as my backline**
I don't know what you're getti...
Howe have no gear
calm harness
I don' know what point you're trying to even make then...
Howe's damage pretty much all comes from her main guns
spiral scaffold
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so of course not giving her a main gun would massively tank her damage and cause her to do worse
spiral scaffold
id like to point out we've been hijacking the original person's thread for this weird thing
calm harness
kinda a bit too late for that....
woeful wasp
thats fine
torn olive
so of course not giving her a main gun would massively tank her damage and cause...
Better?
To understand my point
torn olive
Or you said again wata kills more enemies before bbs
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what
torn olive
what gear were the BBs actually running
Standard look at tier list gear
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that tells me absolutely nothing
stoic vault
Standard look at tier list gear
the tier list has multiple gear for each slot...
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still doesn't tell me exactly what you're running since the tier list gives multiple options
torn olive
Sad
spiral scaffold
Or you said again wata kills more enemies before bbs
that comment was for ch14 comparisons
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not to mention I don't know their enhancement levels which will play a major factor in overall performance
torn olive
And we go much further
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like
you say look at the tier list, that's still a lot of variations you could be running
and frankly after le audacious I can't say I trust you enough to gear them competently
stoic vault
you know im getting major itheberke vibes right now
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you think
torn olive
You saw wata gear
spiral scaffold
HE gun on medium armor
bowgun with HE gun
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yeah not the worst but you could be doing a lot better
though given the amount Katsuragi moves around this is 100% NJ and FDG getting fucked over in terms of Geometric Accuracy
torn olive
Wata have he two so
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you do know that HE doesn't mean the same for BB guns and vanguard guns right?
ammo type for BBs pretty clear cuts good HE guns are better for light and good AP guns are better for medium and heavy armor
for vanguard guns things get a lot more complicated and just because one gun has AP ammo doesn't mean it's better than an HE gun against medium or heavy
stoic vault
anyways i dont quite understand anything thats happened in the past 10 minutes but can just switch sandy and laud positition so sandys tanking
that was the main thing before it dissolved into this
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that wasn't even one of the main issues
stoic vault
yea thjis conversation is confusing af
i just see talking about laud tanking and then dissolving into laud vs wata damage
calm harness
just debunking someone's claims who really doesn't know what their talking about
stoic vault
anyways this has been great entertainment excited to read whatever happens tomorrow
woeful wasp
anyway, gear should look something like that, pretty easy to assemble
hi, me again - what do if no Breguet? Buy one now and wait for next month? Or substitute?