low oil event T3 data

[candid hull]

let me finish this stronghold and i'll put in the data 💩

T3 oil cost

T5 oil cost

[candid hull]

can go even lower with under Lv34 ranger but i'm lazy

i shall now time my time clear for T3

start - 3:47pm
end - 4:00pm

time taken to finish 3 sortie, 13 minutes

[slender canopy]

oh this is T3, I'm on my way to make the 46 oil T4 (since I can't do ranger, I replaced her with a more reliable erebus)

[topaz tundra]

4 oil T4 is
34 oil per run for 120 pts
for a 3.52 pts per oil eff
t5 has 160 oil per run cost
for 180 pts ( 1.12 pts per oil eff )
and 400 ish coins ( ~2.5 coins / oil )
12-4 has a 6.8 coins / oil eff
u can see redistributing oil like this gives u >double event pts and more coin eff per oil

idc about xp and i alr said the part about time

[slender canopy]

wdym 4 oil T4?

[slender canopy]

people do 4 oil T4!?

that's even more efficient than my 6 oil T4, or cheeky's 5

[topaz tundra]

4 oil T3 is 2.64 pts / oil eff

it doesnt matter

both are better if u disregard time

ill let mori finish his time eff calc now

[candid hull]

😭 longest 10minutes of my life

is z20 better than mahan? for T4

i actually havent tried t4

[topaz tundra]

ye coz mog gun

[slate abyss]

btw im not arguing that lowcost is bad, im actually just wanting to know how much better it is

i know its bad for time efficiency yes

[candid hull]

entire reason is because you can save oil

[slate abyss]

and for hitting a certain number of event pts in a timeframe it can be better

[candid hull]

if you can collect 60k point with half the amount of oil spent, then that oil saved can be invested somewhere else

that's the reasoning

and for someone like me who has 0 oil reserve in mail, it's important

if you never encounter oil issue then this whole thing become less attractive

no matter the reasoning

[topaz tundra]

theres an argument

for anti low costing

if ure prioritizing xp

because then ud need a >2x xp eff in w12 compared to event per oil to be worth it but
that wont happen
but thats not relevant because xp is usually the last metric to use for picking farming spots

[candid hull]

i used event as pr grinding spot back then

even tho i could low oil it

[topaz tundra]

yea for xp its good
also good for aff farming ships u oathed at lv120

[silent ledge]

I use cassin nowadays

[candid hull]

ok ended sortie, 4:00pm

[slate abyss]

way too many factors are in this now to make any sense of it

[candid hull]

so 13mins

i believe you can get the time for T5 sortie yourself

[slate abyss]

i agree that lowcosting is more efficient for event points if you have time

[silent ledge]

T4 coins have fun with your 🧮 if you also have T5 drops

[candid hull]

imma try T4 myself

[slender canopy]

6 oil T4 is
46 oil per run for 120 pts
for a 2.6 pts per oil

max oil T5 is
160 oil per run for 180 pts
for a 1.12 pts per oil
and 400 ish coins (2.5 coins/oil)

12-4 has 6.8 coins/oil
232% more efficient for points in T4
Say it takes y oil for T4 to reach, it will take 2.32y oil for T5

Total gold

• T4 + 12-4: 1.32y(6.8) = 8.98y
• T5: 2.32y(2.5) = 5.8y

Gold diff: 8.98/5.8 = 155%
so 55% more gold with my T4 hybrid 6 oil compared to T5, without considering coin in T4

[candid hull]

🫃🏼 should have taken ss of coin reward from T3

[slender canopy]

Maybe I need more precision

55% is so unbelievable

[slate abyss]

50 data points will be good

[slender canopy]

wait what, even without 12-4 it's just more efficient in T4?

[slate abyss]

you're gonna lowcost it anyway so you can collect data aswell

[slender canopy]

[candid hull]

anyway, i died T4 lethal

[slender canopy]

dw we all do

[candid hull]

back to T3 collecting data

[topaz tundra]

u have to consider coin drops ( mine calcs didnt )

[slender canopy]

from Suchi's screenshot we get 150 coins for 46 oil T4 run, which is already more than T5's 2.5 coins/oil

[topaz tundra]

its not

T5 2.5 is just clearing rewards

[slender canopy]

wait what

[slate abyss]

have to include both clearing rewards and battle rewards

[topaz tundra]

i skipped drops coz 3x T4 should be ~ 3x T5 in coin drops but pls do add em for more precision

[slender canopy]

huhh fine

[slate abyss]

using 12-4 as an example here

[slender canopy]

I will share it here when I run T4

since I was doing schoolwork just now

[topaz tundra]

T5 should be exactly the same as in ryza

[slender canopy]

gdamnit so it's probably not 55% more

[silent ledge]

Ignoring ship and tech box drops, and assuming 150 coins per 40 oil T4, and assuming 640 coins per 160 oil T5, and assuming 6.8 coins per oil 12-4, the T4 and 12-4 yields 41% more coins

and ignoring commissions

[topaz tundra]

then use sushi range for t4 for now and its
130-170 coins/ 34 oil
which is 3.8 - 5 coins/ oil
so just add 3 * 3 low oil runs which is
34 * 3 at 3.8 - coin / oil eff
and then 3* 12-4 which is 951 oil
at 6.8 coin eff
for ~6.5 coin total eff
vs t5 which is 3.44 - 4.4

[slender canopy]

6 oil T4 is
46 oil per run for 120 pts
for a 2.6 pts per oil
and 150ish coins (3.26 coins/oil)

max oil T5 is
160 oil per run for 180 pts
for a 1.12 pts per oil
and 640 ish coins (4 coins/oil)

12-4 has 6.8 coins/oil
232% more efficient for points in T4
Say it takes y oil for T4 to reach, it will take 2.32y oil for T5

Total gold
T4 + 12-4: y(3.26) + 1.32y(6.8) = 12.24y
T5: 2.32y(4) = 9.28y

Gold diff: 12.24/9.28 = 132%
so 32% more gold with my T4 hybrid 6 oil compared to T5

[candid hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1041668599795945512.webp?size=56

low oil event T3 data

[slender canopy]

so 6 oil is 32%, 5 oil is 41% from sushi, and from umineko 4 oil idk

[candid hull]

T5, seem to be higher than Ryza

[silent ledge]

???

[slender canopy]

that's more like 1100 oil per run, which is even more than what we estimated...

[candid hull]

i think i used HELP, or i did not, i forgot

i think i did

LOl

[topaz tundra]

[candid hull]

yeah i did sorry

[slender canopy]

ah yea you used help

10 ship dropped during second run

[topaz tundra]

i mean its 360 pts / run

[silent ledge]

So it's likely worse than 640 coins by quite a bit

[candid hull]

yeah like 550 ish?

[slender canopy]

maybe 600 ish

[candid hull]

ye somewhere

and this is T3

about the same as T4

[slender canopy]

is low oil underrated?

[candid hull]

no, it's really just for people with lots of time

[slate abyss]

thanks for collecting data so i dont have to, ill go math it out later ty

[topaz tundra]

i think we are both wrong coz u used a mean and i used a a run weight distribution
i think the right way would be to take the T5 Oil for X event pts then distribute it among t4/12-4 based on event pts eff

i think

[slate abyss]

my mathing will assume to farm 35k event pts

and then 12-4 to 100k coins

so if you want to calc that too before i do it you can

[slender canopy]

so my math is the most correct?

[candid hull]

what's the oil for 12-4 again

im doing preliminary meths

[silent ledge]

Little did they know...||that's what I did||

[slender canopy]

lol

[topaz tundra]

35k at T5 means 31.1k oil spent and 124.4k coins gained
35k at T4 means 9.916k oil spent and 37k coins gained and the rest of 31k-10k can be spent at 12-4 for 142k coins

for a 44% better coin eff

sushi was 2 planes ahead of me

[slender canopy]

or 32% with 6 oil T4

[candid hull]

shitty meths so far

ignore that per 3 sortie

[slate abyss]

12-4 is 317x3

its also 6.81 coin/oil ratio

[candid hull]

ok lemme fix

[topaz tundra]

yea its the 10 oil entry cost

[candid hull]

but it should be near there

[topaz tundra]

about that

[candid hull]

should be about this then

so extra 148k coin 🤓

should be less since we never include SP, ship drop retire, tech box yadayada

but the idea is there

it's a lot of extra coin

[slate abyss]

sir its 6.81

[candid hull]

fuck this

you can correct the meths

[slender canopy]

so about 162k coins

[candid hull]

oh i just typo the 6.18

the 148k is correct amount

r-right?

[topaz tundra]

yea

[candid hull]

the difference become even bigger if you aim at higher point milestone

but you also have to spend more time

so in the end it's always time

[topaz tundra]

[slate abyss]

good enough why arent you using excel functions when using excel so its like 45% better in coin

[candid hull]

imo it's good for 2 weeks events, plenty of time to grind

[slender canopy]

T3 smells better than 6 oil T4 indeed

[slate abyss]

what would be the time needed for all those lowcost runs now

[candid hull]

well yeah, told you earlier that 6oil defeat the purpose

well if we use what i used from earlier, it's 13mins per 3 sortie

[slender canopy]

145% vs 132% though, so like 10% difference

[candid hull]

3757 minutes

[topaz tundra]

💀

[candid hull]

wait no

1685 minutes

🫃🏼 accidentally x3

not that bad, only 28hrs

easily done spread across 2 weeks

[slender canopy]

2 hours a day ain't that bad

surprising actually

[topaz tundra]

2hrs a day of suffering

[slender canopy]

u sure that's right?

[candid hull]

it's right

you can mix in some T5 in between really

and daily mission+SP gonna make it even easier

[slate abyss]

i wont bother adding in those

[candid hull]

yeah if we exclude them, it's extra 148k coin

[slender canopy]

for the total coin income difference?

that's so much calculation lol

[candid hull]

🫃🏼 yeah my brain is semi fried, gonna stop it here

[wheat dome]

I found the moral management the annoying part for low oil farm...

[candid hull]

it's not that bad

you can have like 3-5 set

[wheat dome]

With the 2x item you do 2 triple run and you are at 30moral...

[candid hull]

rotate them if you wanna keep higher uptime

[slender canopy]

This is hikari君's 8 oil T5, is this much better than the 5 oil T4?

[obsidian tendon]

per run

[slender canopy]

1 sample be like

[silent ledge]

It's more coins than T4

[obsidian tendon]

ye but your 4 oil t4 grants more points

[silent ledge]

66 oil per run?

[obsidian tendon]

ye]

[silent ledge]

For Total coins, 8 oil T5 > 4 oil T4 + 12-4 > 5 oil T4 + 12-4

[slender canopy]

Where would T3 be placed?

[obsidian tendon]

[silent ledge]

🫵 🧮

[slender canopy]