need to fix my fleet

[vast halo]

so who do I focus on ??? (also I am a sucker for cruisers because I like cruisers... blame WoWs and Kancolle for that)

[solemn isle]

Why only 2 screenshots?

Well whatever

[vast halo]

because those are the one I manage to build

[solemn isle]

#1 problem

[vast halo]

the rest are unbuilded

[solemn isle]

You don't have Unicorn leveled or retroed

Do that

[vast halo]

wait she is that OP

???

[solemn isle]

She is the best Healer in the game

And a staple in mob fleets

[vast halo]

a carrier that heals ???

[solemn isle]

Yes

[vast halo]

wtf

[solemn isle]

Like I said before

Stop comparing Warthunder/Real life stuff to AL

AL is it's own game

[trim ember]

lots of things have changed from last time you played

[vast halo]

no its not that... the AL anime ruined Unicorn image for me

LOL

[solemn isle]

Unicorn has been in the game for a really long time tho

And her retro since... 2019 or 2020?

[trim ember]

she was, but her retro is new and she is only getting the spotlight now

[bitter vigil]

wayy off

[solemn isle]

Oh well

in any case

Get Unicorn and retro her

[vast halo]

I have her... just not leveled

[solemn isle]

Well that's your main mission rn

Now what content are you trying to do?

[vast halo]

trying to build more ships... since a lot of my ships are unhappy from grinding...

also trying to arm my ships as well

I have a huge weapon shortage

[solemn isle]

You might have bad stuff taking up storage, give this a read later to make up some space https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Thebombzen/Safe_To_Scrap_MK_II

[solemn isle]

And this doesn't really answer my question btw

Do you wanna just grind coins and build up your ships?

[vast halo]

well my end goal is to blast through campaign so I can get New Orleans

but I am out of resources right now

[solemn isle]

Well that's gonna take a long time

[vast halo]

hence why I am trying to grind

[bitter vigil]

that is a pipe dream rn

[vast halo]

also speaking about that

I know its super cringe

[solemn isle]

Don't worry

Seen way worse

[vast halo]

anyone useful in the level 1 pile ???

[solemn isle]

Yeah

[bitter vigil]

plenty

and theres probably plenty more useful ships you havent showed

[solemn isle]

Sirius,Kazagumo,JdA

[vast halo]

who is Jda ???

[trim ember]

jeanne

[solemn isle]

Jeanne d Arc

[vast halo]

ah her

anyone else ???

[solemn isle]

Like I said before

Unicorn

[trim ember]

sirius and kazagumo are carrier buffers

[solemn isle]

Outside of that not really

[vast halo]

what about the Metas ???

[solemn isle]

Fortune META if you care about pvp lol

though I think she's not that relevant anymore?

[vast halo]

any OP collab ships ???

[solemn isle]

Op? Nah

There's some decent ones

[vast halo]

not even Hololive or hyperdimension ???

[solemn isle]

But not better than the ships you curently got

[bitter vigil]

ryza and rikka are good but doesnt matter you have none anyways

[solemn isle]

Neptunia are probably the worst ships in the game

[bitter vigil]

those are exceptionally bad

[vast halo]

also Siruis vs Dido which is better ???

[solemn isle]

Sirius

Dido isn't used at all

[trim ember]

sirius because she buffs your carriers

[vast halo]

then why she has so many doujins ???

[solemn isle]

Not relevant to this topic

[vast halo]

bruh I always thought popular = meta or smth

usually

[solemn isle]

Nah

[bitter vigil]

most ships with alot of doujins are pretty shit anyways

just a matter of them being around longest

which also means theyre the most outdated

[vast halo]

LOL damn then I also need to get my head out of the gutter then

[solemn isle]

Well in any case, do you want a list of ships you should level up for later stages or what?

[vast halo]

should level up for late stages

a list is fine

[solemn isle]

Cuz you can just use the ships you are currently using to grind coins

[solemn isle]

Well gimme a few

[vast halo]

tho I would prefer late stage ships to plow through stage 13 and beyond

[bitter vigil]

should also try and pull this banner

[vast halo]

since my fleet just barely beet 12

[vast halo]

I am

[bitter vigil]

13 is simple enough

but you dont simply "plow" through 14 and above

[vast halo]

you cant auto attack through there ???

[bitter vigil]

you can

but its literally some of the hardest content available so dont expect to beat it anytime soon

[vast halo]

damn... New Orlean class are some of my favorite cruisers

also how do you get more than one of these ???

how do people get 2 of these ???

[trim ember]

vanguard event got a rerun

[bitter vigil]

play both the original run and the rerun

[vast halo]

dammit I missed it then

[solemn isle]

120:
Unicorn: Mob Staple, best Healer in the game
Independence:Really good CV overall
Enterprise: Really good Bossing CV
Musashi: Really good BB, specially good in W14+ and against heavy armor
Sirius: Pretty Good CV Buffer staple in CV fleet together with Kazagumo
Kazagumo: Best ARA Buffer, read above
Jeanne d'Arc: Pretty good support vanguard ship

You should also start working on Research ships as a whole

[vast halo]

damn all this time a Enterprise isnt power crept

[vast halo]

I have Anchorage, Seattle, and Ibuki

unless I researched shit again

[solemn isle]

For this put your Research Focus on PR/DR 4, for ships do these:
FdG > Anchorage > Agir > Rest of PR4 > Plymouth > Brest > Rest of PR5

[solemn isle]

What Dev level is Anchorage at?

[vast halo]

16...

[solemn isle]

Start her catchup

And coin her between 10 and 15 coins every day

[vast halo]

k

speaking about research

[solemn isle]

W12 coin income should be fine for at least 10 per day

[solemn isle]

say

[vast halo]

what do I do with these ???

those ship blueprints

[solemn isle]

Define "these"

Well the ship blueprints use them on the respective ship

[vast halo]

this for example

[solemn isle]

[vast halo]

and also why the ship I have never appears on those lab research ???

[solemn isle]

Cuz you did random ass researches from Season 1~4

[vast halo]

...

[solemn isle]

Since you didn't put on a Focus that happened

[vast halo]

damn so WoWs also scammed me

lol

and finally the biggest research problem

aka gear lab

[solemn isle]

They don't relate

[vast halo]

oh... but HOW DO I GET THESE ???

[solemn isle]

Research Gear is research gear

Gearlab mats you get from doing Operation Siren (Opsi)

And don't craft random stuff

Check out #bot-spam /gearlab

[vast halo]

but I hardly get the stuff I want... (also the endgame part is hell)

how do you even beat Sirens in the core ???

[bitter vigil]

please do be careful with what you craft in gearlab alot of it is unusable dogshit

[vast halo]

I hardly crafted anything because I get like nothing good

or the same stuff

also corrosion level 5 is already hell

[solemn isle]

Also, stop with the "I don't have anything" thingy this is still salvageable

[bitter vigil]

get your adapts up first then itll be easay

opsi is some of the eaasier things in this game

[vast halo]

srry I am stuck using genshin and honkai language LOL

[solemn isle]

The worse you can do is have a defeatist attitude

[bitter vigil]

get these 3 adpats stats up and opsi is a breeze

[solemn isle]

Right now everything is going forward, might take time but atleast you are gonna be making progress

My question right now is have you grinded the event?

You should at least grind 30k points for the Bulin

After that 55k is also a good stopping point

[vast halo]

Bulin ???

[bitter vigil]

ur bulin

theres one at the 30k points mark

[vast halo]

ohhhh that

[vast halo]

uhh where is the points mark thing ???

[bitter vigil]

the milestone

[vast halo]

the battlepass ?

[bitter vigil]

no

[vast halo]

oh nvm found it

ok yeah I need to grind there as well

tho... I dont have any UR ships to limit break

[bitter vigil]

when an event is active it takes priority over everything else

[vast halo]

my NJ, Musashi, and SHima are full

[vast halo]

k

[bitter vigil]

doesnt matter

ur bulins are a commodity

[trim ember]

do you have amagi CV?

[vast halo]

havent got her yet

I have the regular AMagi LOL

I remember she used to be meta

[trim ember]

just keep pulling for amagi cv

[vast halo]

k

I have no coins tho (only 9k)

[bitter vigil]

farm 12-4

but rn

[vast halo]

lots of cubes... but no coins

[bitter vigil]

farm event

[trim ember]

farm the event

[bitter vigil]

you definitely do not want to miss out on a ur ship

[trim ember]

with auto deploy its easier than what it was before

[vast halo]

ic

[solemn isle]

Farm D3

[bitter vigil]

youve already missed out on plenty

[vast halo]

well I just returned around sept 20 from my haitus

[trim ember]

you still have 1 more week

[bitter vigil]

im talking about how for example you have the table from vanguard event

but no vanguard in sight

[vast halo]

wait there was a Vanguard ??? I only remember Howe

[bitter vigil]

you literally played her event

[trim ember]

this ship

[vast halo]

BRUH I only remember Howe

[bitter vigil]

howe and vanguard arent even from the same event

[vast halo]

huh ??? I swear she was in it along with the table

I remember exchanging the table from Howe event

[bitter vigil]

takes skill to not notice a ur ship is running when their face is plastered everywhere

[vast halo]

unless I also mmissed it

[bitter vigil]

you remembered wrong

[trim ember]

howe is from aurora noctis event and vanguard is from pledge of the radiant court

and that table is from vanguard event

[vast halo]

WTF I MISSED THAT MANY UR ???

[trim ember]

yep

[vast halo]

GUAM WAS UR ???

[solemn isle]

Yes

[vast halo]

omg

[solemn isle]

She came out December 2023

Together with Laffey II

[vast halo]

I heard about it but I thought she was SR... so I didnt return

[bitter vigil]

now you know

[trim ember]

vanguard, unzen, guam, laffey 2, yorktown 2. musashi, eldridge retro, bismark 2, alsasce, soyuz

[solemn isle]

Eldridge doesn't really count

[vast halo]

wait how is Hornet 2 not a UR ???

they are both Essex reborn...

[trim ember]

they had to pick only 1 of them for ur position, and yorktown won

[bitter vigil]

try not to miss amagi cv aswell

[vast halo]

I know...

[bitter vigil]

you can basically skip every single event as long as you dont miss the ur ones

[vast halo]

oh btw

is Seattle AA worse than Sandy retro ???

[bitter vigil]

no

[vast halo]

oh Seattle is viable ???

[bitter vigil]

oh i mean yes

seattle is dogshit

i read that wrong

[vast halo]

WTF

WoWs scammed me again'

[trim ember]

we have augments now

[vast halo]

ah

[bitter vigil]

you can safely assume most pr1-3 to be bargain bin dosghit

[trim ember]

sandy augment is just that good

[vast halo]

WoWs Azur collab scammed me big time

also I remember the good old days where you have to put the BB in the flagship position for max effect... do you still have to do that now ???

[bitter vigil]

if youre using a mix of bbs and cvs then bb flag yes

[solemn isle]

Gacha URs you are missing:
Shinano (She's in permanent/pity)
Ulrich von Hutten (not that good and will eventually get added to permanent)
Kronstadt (Not that good either)
Vanguard (really good BB)
Bismarck Zwei (Best BB in the game)
Yorktown II (really good CV)
Implacable (one of the best CVs in the game)
Unzen (top dps CA)
Guam and Laffey II (Both are really good tanks and good at AA, Laffey was free)
Sovertsky Soyuz (Really good BB)
Alsace (Really good BB)
Mogador ( Free DD, pretty good dps)

[bitter vigil]

some bbs have effects that only activate if theyre flag so thats probably what youre referring to

[trim ember]

if the bb has a position dependent barrage then yes

[vast halo]

also I remember most BB have a mandatory 30 sec reloed ??? not anymore ???

[bitter vigil]

but that isnt common anymore

i dont ever remember that being the case

[solemn isle]

No?

[vast halo]

I just got Shino

[bitter vigil]

i hope youre not pulling on perma banner

[solemn isle]

20s has always being an standard I think

^

[vast halo]

I remember 1 old guide said Barrage BB have mand 30 sec reloed

or 20

[solemn isle]

please don't pull on permanent banners if you are

[vast halo]

no.. when I just rejoined I was thinking of a free pull and accidently got her

[solemn isle]

ok, that's not so bad

but she'll just be gathering dust till you can MLB her lol

and that'll be after Amagi if you manage to get her

[vast halo]

damn when I left for haitus Taihou was still the meta

[bitter vigil]

no??

[trim ember]

taihou was never meta

[solemn isle]

Taihou wasn't ever meta

[bitter vigil]

you have musashi so you leaving for hiatus wasnt that long ago

[vast halo]

huh ??? she was everywhere in pvp if I remember

[trim ember]

waifu choice

[solemn isle]

You are confusing her with the Foxes

[bitter vigil]

and when musashi came out i can tell you taihou is definitely not "meta"

[trim ember]

pvp fleets dont mean anything for campaign

[vast halo]

damn... but eveyone was still talking about her so I thought she was still meta

[solemn isle]

Cuz they were meta, but like back in 2020 or so

[trim ember]

fox mines flashback

[vast halo]

I am surprised Enterprise is still good... I left her to dust once I got the Essex class

[bitter vigil]

i guarantee you most ships you think are good arent

[solemn isle]

She's literally better than anyone in the Essex Class

[solemn isle]

[vast halo]

blame WoWs and WT for that

[trim ember]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

[vast halo]

pretty sure the only time I got meta for real is when NJ came out

[trim ember]

here to get an idea of ships and their equipment

[solemn isle]

And now she's powercrept by most gacha UR BBs

[trim ember]

the position of gears dont reflect which one is the best, its still situational

[solemn isle]

But she's still better than 95% ships

[vast halo]

WTF ???

HOW IS HMS DETONATION HIGH TIER ???

[solemn isle]

[vast halo]

I literally tossed her to the bin

[solemn isle]

Who even is detonation

[vast halo]

Hood

because you know

she got detonated

I thought every knew that

[solemn isle]

[trim ember]

hood is a good mobber

[vast halo]

WTF

[solemn isle]

Not that much of a Naval nerd, sorry

[vast halo]

I literally tossed her to the bin

[trim ember]

she has always been a good mobber

[solemn isle]

And she's not really "High Tier"

[vast halo]

how is Howe THAT good ???

[bitter vigil]

shes not

[solemn isle]

Considering how bloated the BB category is

[vast halo]

srry in terms of tier list... I always use super smash bro launguage

but how is Howe that good ??? am I doin her dirty ???

[bitter vigil]

you cant even safely compare ships in the same tier

howe is mid

while owari in the same tier literally clears everything else in that tier

[vast halo]

Howe is tier 0 what are talking about ?

[trim ember]

i use that guide mostly to see how to gear my ships

its subjective

[bitter vigil]

and that doesnt really mean shit

[vast halo]

but isnt tier 0 better than tier 1 in this case ?

[solemn isle]

Look, the BB category is so bloated they refuse to change it to make more sense

[bitter vigil]

i would use hood over howe

[trim ember]

its very subjective

[vast halo]

oh so its not really updated ?

[solemn isle]

It is

[bitter vigil]

it is

[vast halo]

wtf then whats the point of it then ???

[bitter vigil]

but theres more to ships than them being placed in the same tier

[solemn isle]

But changing the tiering for individual performance would be a pain in the ass

[vast halo]

so it seems like I cant use super smash bro scaling then

[trim ember]

general gearing guide

[bitter vigil]

you can treat the tierlist as a very vague general idea of a ships performance

and use it as a gearing guide

just hover over gears to read them

[vast halo]

ic... tho tbh I dont have most of the gear

[solemn isle]

Like I said before 3 times already, stop comparing anything unrelated to AL with AL, it doesn't make sense

[vast halo]

currently I go with a semi historical depending what I have

[trim ember]

AL is a very different game from others, there is no use using other games logic

[solemn isle]

Same with this

[vast halo]

bruh... the whole reason how I even discover Azur was from a WoWs collab... so I literally based everything from there

[solemn isle]

Historical loadouts are plain dogshit in 99% of cases

[trim ember]

only thing AL has in common with history is name of ships and gear

[vast halo]

I know but even then I dont have most of the gear.. I make what best I have right now

[bitter vigil]

its probably not even the best you can do

[solemn isle]

Did you even notice that I sent you a gear guide before?

[bitter vigil]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

[vast halo]

yeah ???

[solemn isle]

It shouldn't be hard to get at least a decent loadout

I think you are understimating the stuff you got because it's not "BiS"

Or shiny UR stuff

[vast halo]

actually most historical builds are not that bad... well most of it is UR stuff

[trim ember]

i level ships in w12-4 with poverty gear, and it works

if some ships die, i put unicorn for heals

[bitter vigil]

ur gear isnt the best for everthing either

[solemn isle]

It's literally one of the Newbie tips

[vast halo]

ok most of my BB are fine

[solemn isle]

Define "fine"

[vast halo]

well tbh BB stuff are like the easiest to get

[bitter vigil]

show me your musashi

[solemn isle]

^

[vast halo]

I have her UR gun

[bitter vigil]

there we go

[solemn isle]

Her UR gun is bad lol

[bitter vigil]

case in point

[vast halo]

not suppose to use it ???

WTF

[bitter vigil]

nope

[solemn isle]

It can't sync with anything

[vast halo]

they done her dirty

bruh

[bitter vigil]

thye did not

[vast halo]

that exchange was a scam then...

[solemn isle]

It isn't

It's just extremely niche

[bitter vigil]

shes one of the best bbs in the game

just gear her right

[vast halo]

tho tbh I just started leveling Musashi... she isnt even ready yet

[solemn isle]

She can do massive amounts of damage with that Gun

But just against Heavy enemies and when syncing is not needed at all

[vast halo]

ngl NJ kinda of spoiled me.. she literally hard carry me though all the endgame stuff

[bitter vigil]

nj vs musashi is like coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

fyi

[trim ember]

at lower levels gearing is not really that looked into

but at some point gear becomes situational

[vast halo]

ic

most good gear I dont even have

[solemn isle]

Tbh now I'm curious

[vast halo]

especially the gear lab and proto weap

[solemn isle]

What are the fleets you are using

[solemn isle]

And you don't need it rn

[trim ember]

gears are just time gated

[solemn isle]

You can just use poverty or transitional gear and it will be just fine

[trim ember]

just keep playing and it will work itself out

[vast halo]

uhh besides fleet 1 (thats a waifu fleet)

[solemn isle]

just send the screenshots

[bitter vigil]

interesting

[vast halo]

because I remember the old guide stating its best to put BB in the middle

so most of my fleet evolve around that

also I like to put the ships of the same nation

[solemn isle]

Yeah you got that part

[bitter vigil]

faction fleets are bad

[solemn isle]

It's just the ships choices aren't the best

[vast halo]

also for example this is fleet in not finished yet... but smth like this

[solemn isle]

And yeah faction fleets unoptimal and self imposed handicaps

[vast halo]

but its ez to organize and to remember

[bitter vigil]

yep youre handicapping yourself by doing this

[solemn isle]

They are still dog water

[bitter vigil]

you can optimize those 4 fleets into 2 actual good ones

[solemn isle]

Yep

[bitter vigil]

wow shes spinning

[vast halo]

wait really ???

[bitter vigil]

basically

[vast halo]

also I remember most people shitting on CA due to bad eva

[solemn isle]

[vast halo]

also getting you caught in ambushes

which I hate

[bitter vigil]

do like a soft reset on your al knowledge

most of it has been wrong

[trim ember]

there is no more ambushes

[vast halo]

well most are old knowledge

[vast halo]

huh ?

in campaighn ???

you sure ???

[bitter vigil]

there are ambushses

[vast halo]

yeah thats what I thought

[bitter vigil]

there are no ambushes if you build your fleet correctly

[trim ember]

huh, i dont remember that happening in w14

[bitter vigil]

and it does not have anything to do with ca

[vast halo]

isnt ambushes determined on your fleet eva ???

[bitter vigil]

thats just straight up wrong

[vast halo]

CA has slow eva... so it slows your flett down - old guides

[solemn isle]

Mob:
Musashi,Unicorn,Indep
Noshiro,Laffey,Sandy

Boss:
New Jersey,Essex,Enterprise
Eugen,Shimakaze,Baltimore

[bitter vigil]

wrong

[solemn isle]

There you have 2 way better fleets than the ones you were using

Well nvm Eugen instead of Bremer

[vast halo]

I remember guides like this said CA has slow eva which can slow down your fleet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTr30HqU2O4

thats 5 years ago tho

[solemn isle]

[bitter vigil]

dont trust this guy hes a bumbling idiot

[vast halo]

k

[bitter vigil]

hawk2zer0

[trim ember]

youtube guides are not recommended

[solemn isle]

Same with Kimocheese

[vast halo]

so it seems like I also went the wrong guides

tho that is also where I heard put BB in the middle

[solemn isle]

That's the only thing that you learned that wasn't wrong

Hooray

[bitter vigil]

what decides ambushes is the recon value

[trim ember]

only useful youtube guide i have seen is the one for the submarine mission

[vast halo]

those guides keep on saying you want ships with good eva

[solemn isle]

Forget everything that those guides said

[trim ember]

also forget what you know from before

a lot has changed since you played

[vast halo]

are the Essex class actually not that good ?

or atleast... the are power crept ?

[solemn isle]

They are decent

But powercrept

lol

[vast halo]

ah

[trim ember]

the difference between decent and good is just that huge

[vast halo]

well Musashi and Enty are still in building process

[solemn isle]

Now that I gave you those fleets

Are you gonna use them?

[solemn isle]

[vast halo]

yes eventually

[solemn isle]

And what you said about the BBs being on the middle is correct

But we recommend them 1~6 like on the formation UI

So Musashi and NJ are the flags of their respective fleets

[vast halo]

ok

also

is it true

that

the vanguard ships on the most bottem

tends to get hit the most ???

[solemn isle]

Left most yes

[vast halo]

ah ok

[solemn isle]

imagine a bus

[vast halo]

so that is true

[solemn isle]

The left most is the driver

and right most is the rear

[vast halo]

so the only knowledge I got are left get hits the most and middle is the best

[solemn isle]

now imagine the bus crashing

The driver gets the most of the impact and the people on the rear not so much but still since another car crashes into them

[vast halo]

ik

[solemn isle]

Yeah this analogy was stupid as fuck

But you get it

[vast halo]

ik that... because I remember old days the one on the left always dies lol

[bitter vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[solemn isle]

LMAO

[vast halo]

but damn Brema came later than Balti and didnt power crept her ??? LOL

[solemn isle]

Meh

Both of them aren't the best

just decent lol

[vast halo]

really ??? so many peeps still talking about balti

[solemn isle]

She's a decent off tank, does damage and not that squishy so she can tank a lil bit

[vast halo]

so what are the best CA ??? Prinz is still that good ?

[solemn isle]

Hell naw

She's dog waterr actually

[bitter vigil]

there are different roles of cas

[solemn isle]

But she can tank at least

[bitter vigil]

tanks and dmg dealers

[vast halo]

bro just declare waifu war on half of the Azur fanbase LOL

[solemn isle]

Eh

[trim ember]

eugen can tank but doesnt deal that much dmg, so a lot of others are better

[solemn isle]

Used to it

[vast halo]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[solemn isle]

Most people in #al-general hate us ppl in gph cuz we tell them their waifus are bad

[vast halo]

for me waifu and meta are two different things

[bitter vigil]

the only reason al-gen touches gph is for confirmation bias

they dont actually want to know the answer

[vast halo]

tho usually I would try to maxmize out of a waifu team

[bitter vigil]

they want a yes man telling them eugen is good

[solemn isle]

Yeah and that's what they don't get

If they can't use their waifus for all content it means gph is wrong and stupid

[bitter vigil]

i remember ages ago this one guy came into gph with his "minmaxxed" eugen

2 oxytorps and such

wild

[vast halo]

bruh

tho even my waifu team are underequipped so idc

[bitter vigil]

oh no dont get me wrong i was trying to point out how completely stupid that was

its not actually good

[vast halo]

ik that LOL

everyone simps for Prinz

[solemn isle]

I put Prinz in boss cuz she can tank better than most of your other options

But as soon as your Anchorage is at least Dev 25 you can just yeet her

[vast halo]

also is Noshiro good ?

[bitter vigil]

you raise actual good ships so they can clear the game and you can raise your waifu simple

[vast halo]

she is so popular

[bitter vigil]

not really

[solemn isle]

She's decent for mob tanking and for torp memes

[vast halo]

I have zero idea how Noshiro even got popular tbh

[solemn isle]

Cuz she's cute I guess

[vast halo]

like I know she is not meta but even then she somehow got super popular

[solemn isle]

And maybe she reminded people of this Fate character

[vast halo]

also I remember how Belfest was meta when the game just came out

now she is powercrept

[solemn isle]

I think her name was Shuten Douji or something

[solemn isle]

She wasn't really meta

[vast halo]

???

[solemn isle]

just the better option between the bad ones lol

[vast halo]

ah

even in the old comments people said she was meta

atleast on my server

[bitter vigil]

80% of players have no clue what theyre doing

[vast halo]

btw my server was the sandy cult LOL

[bitter vigil]

you can safely assume everyone in your guild is completely clueless

[vast halo]

my guild is casual... just there to get more stuff

[bitter vigil]

ill have to say gearing in this game isnt as straight forward as other gachas

[vast halo]

was retrp warspite meta when she got the retro ???

[solemn isle]

She was

[vast halo]

Iremember the community going nuts on her

yeah

[solemn isle]

Now she's a dissapointment

[vast halo]

she was like broken for pvp

isnt nuke the CV

also subs are neglected right ???

[solemn isle]

Up until W14+

[trim ember]

subs can help with clearing if you lack the dmg

[vast halo]

ah ic

[solemn isle]

Talking about subs you almost had the best Sub fleet

You are just missing flasher

Who's event limited

[vast halo]

yeah but now the resources are focused on the surface vessal

[solemn isle]

yeah don't worry about it

You haven't even beaten W13 yet

[vast halo]

also this is almost correct right ???

[solemn isle]

oh hey I expected way worse

this is actually surprising

lmao

[vast halo]

nah not my main waifu

NJ was like the easiest to build

both meta and historical

[trim ember]

also level your skills to max, dont just stop at some point

[vast halo]

well mostly because NJ historical was broken af as well

[solemn isle]

White shell would be slightly better than black one

[vast halo]

dont have white shell tho

[solemn isle]

And this AA instead of the one she has https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_40mm_Bofors_STAAG

[vast halo]

ah atleast I can swap that out

[solemn isle]

You can buy more from coredata shop

Talking about core data

[vast halo]

I am low on core data

[solemn isle]

Check out #bot-spam /coredata

Before buying random stuff

[vast halo]

this is also almost correct ???

[solemn isle]

Erm

[vast halo]

wasnt SG mandatory on her once ???

[solemn isle]

Nah

read her skill

[vast halo]

ah ic

tho everyone and every guide shoved a SG on her

[solemn isle]

it's mostly for timing

if you don't know what you are doing just stick to a toolbox

That AA isn't bad but I would give it to Sandy

[vast halo]

my only grudge against Sandy is that sometimes shoe does 0 dmg

[solemn isle]

Well her main role wasn't doing damage but taking out planes

Until recently where she got an overtuned Unique Augment

Now she's op and can do both really good damage and AA

[vast halo]

and this ???

[solemn isle]

Just ditch NC as a whole

lol

She's awful

[vast halo]

tho I kinda find her dmg still kinda of lackluster compare to other CL

[vast halo]

aww... she used to be good

[solemn isle]

[vast halo]

really ??? I remember most people saying you dont need sandy if you have her

tho that was kinda of old

[solemn isle]

Huh

How does NC replace Sandy in any way

[vast halo]

most guide said NC was queen of AA and everyone else was trash

and most people

but that was old

[solemn isle]

Am I missing something?

@bitter vigil

How is a BB supposed to help you with AA

[bitter vigil]

summoned

[solemn isle]

[vast halo]

uhh like that guide I linked above... they also state NC has like broken AA

but of course that guide is wrong

just saying an example

tho I remember everyone saying if you need AA... you need NC

[solemn isle]

Well in any case she's dog water

At least she has a really good gun

[bitter vigil]

for a bb nc aa is better than other bbs yes

[solemn isle]

Hooray

[bitter vigil]

but that "better" aa is still 💤

[vast halo]

oh

I remember before even chapter 13 was released NC was like mandatory

[solemn isle]

Now strip her off her gear and send her to the shadow realm

[bitter vigil]

if you want aa you use cvs

[vast halo]

bruh.. (also that sounds so wrong LOL)

[bitter vigil]

if you want aa for frontline you use aa carries

problem solved

[vast halo]

what are AA CV ???

[solemn isle]

Anything with a good fighter slot

lol

[bitter vigil]

yea sorry what he meant was take her out back and shoot her twice in the back of the head

[vast halo]

isnt that all of the Essex class ???

[solemn isle]

Meh

[vast halo]

wtf you into uhh ore or smth ???

[solemn isle]

Unicorn and Indep better

[vast halo]

I have Inde

[bitter vigil]

any cv with good fighters are going to serve you well for aa purposes

[vast halo]

feel like thats most Essex class

[bitter vigil]

and torp bombers but thats kinda far off rn

[bitter vigil]

well most essex class just sucks compared to ships like indep or uni so

[vast halo]

also I have no cores left so I couldnt get the golden TBM

[solemn isle]

For now what you should be focusing on is:

1. Unicorn
2. The fleets that I recommended you to at least have some kind of decent fleets for content most stuff rn
3. The other ships I recommended

[vast halo]

ik

[solemn isle]

Fighter good, TB bad, AA bad

Auxes BiS for 90% of cases

[solemn isle]

oh god

[bitter vigil]

this is just

bad

[solemn isle]

kill it with fire

[vast halo]

wait her sig weapon is bad ???

[solemn isle]

Didn't I say that signature/lore loadouts were bad?

Give her this gun instead https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Single_76mm_(3"/50_caliber_gun)#Type_3-0

[vast halo]

bruh what was Yoster thinking

[solemn isle]

[vast halo]

WTF is that ?

[solemn isle]

A gun

That fires fast

for her AoA

[vast halo]

I dont have it

[bitter vigil]

check if you can craft one in depot

its blue

[solemn isle]

^

or just open T3 USS Boxes

[vast halo]

wtf a blue rarity gun that is THIS OP ???

[solemn isle]

Yes

[bitter vigil]

not op

[solemn isle]

Well not op

[vast halo]

what is Yoster smokin ???

[bitter vigil]

some dds have really shit fp stats and shit main gun efficiency

[vast halo]

HOW

[solemn isle]

But good on DDs that rely on their AOAs

[bitter vigil]

so you use the fastest firing dd gun you can to proc their aoa

[vast halo]

who drugged the manjuu ??? Akashi ???

[bitter vigil]

because otherwise theyd be dealing no dmg outside of torps

dont mistaken this as that gun being good on every dd

its good on a handful

its inting on every other

[vast halo]

ok

damn someone drugged the manjuu

[solemn isle]

There's only like 5 DDs that use it

[vast halo]

so only NJ sig weap is good on her ?

[bitter vigil]

if youre fighting light armor only

for medium and heavy you want ap ammo maingun instead

the triple 406mm mle

[bitter vigil]

the one on nc rn

[vast halo]

k

anything good here ???

[solemn isle]

top left, bottom left, bottom right

the rest are poopoo

[solemn isle]

wait what was top right

I forgor

[bitter vigil]

cheshire gun

[solemn isle]

oh right

[vast halo]

ah yes... the gun that scammed both WoWs and Azur player duing the collab LOL

anything useful here ???

[solemn isle]

Look, for the tierlist I consider anything below T2 unusable crap or not optimal

[bitter vigil]

far right

[vast halo]

meanwhile most ship I have are T2 lol

tho that means Howe is good lol

[solemn isle]

Yeah those are usable

I said anything below that

T3 and below

[vast halo]

Howe being T0 somehow when I find her worse than most other BB

[bitter vigil]

she is

[solemn isle]

I said before, Tierlist doesn't only take into consideration personal damage

[vast halo]

yeah but I have well quite a shortage

[solemn isle]

Shortage of what

you should have enough gear to give to 12 ships

just take from the others you are not gonna be using

[vast halo]

well I mean top gear stuff

and ships in general

[solemn isle]

You don't need it

People can reach W12 in a couple months of playing

They do not need top of the end gear at all

And you probably got more gear than them even if it might not be the best

[bitter vigil]

dedication to the craft

over 2 hours of gph-ing

[vast halo]

just reorganize my fleet basically ?

[solemn isle]

yeah

[vast halo]

k

[solemn isle]

tbh I'm actually tired

[vast halo]

yeah me too

[solemn isle]

Considering that I'm a degen

6:20 am

[vast halo]

imma sleep

[solemn isle]

[bitter vigil]

[vast halo]

welp nice knowing yall

never even knew Azur had a Discord

when I started Azur in like 2018

[solemn isle]

Feel free to ask anything else over at gph

[vast halo]

better than other gachas as expected

[bitter vigil]

that is true

[vast halo]

Azur my be degens but everyone is wholesome

[solemn isle]

[bitter vigil]

sucks to be you

[solemn isle]

lmao

aussie?

[bitter vigil]

yes

how did you know

[solemn isle]

Cuz you are literally at the other side of the world

[bitter vigil]

fair

[solemn isle]

in any case

[bitter vigil]

gn

[charred panther]

so

what did you try to use for W13 exactly

also, where the f*ck is Unicorn

[grave wren]

carriers that can heal?

:0

[solemn isle]

Have fun backreading

[vast halo]

they probably bleached their eyes

[charred panther]

just waiting for a response really

there's way too much backlog to sift through

[charred panther]

so I'll ask again

[vast halo]

@solemn isle you told me to strip my NC but my NC saved my fleet where Musashi died to planes instantly

[bitter vigil]

the ability to make one of the tankiest and most powerful bbs for campaign kneel over and die instantly says more about you than anything else

and the problem was more of using such a dogshit aa frontliner like shima in the first place

not nc saving the day

[vast halo]

the two CV are full hp while Musashi is like 50% hp down

[bitter vigil]

thats literally what her skill does

[vast halo]

Shima is not with Musashi... she is usually with the boss killer

[bitter vigil]

she taunts enemies and takes all the dmg

[vast halo]

wtf then isnt that kinda off bad for a mob fleet ?

especially when flagship ???

[bitter vigil]

that is far from bad

build your fleet correctly she shouldnt even be low

plus a healer

[vast halo]

so basically if you use Musashi you must have a healer or smth ???

[bitter vigil]

if you use anything you must have a healer

musashi is literally the best campaign mobbing bb and it isnt even close

[vast halo]

wait hol on let me find that post one sec

[vast halo]

this comment

[vast halo]

I found the comment

the only exeption is that I didnt have Unicorn ready but even then

Musashi still died along with Noshiro

and the one I made it both NJ and NC have like 80% hp left sooo...

isnt your battleship not suppose to take so much dmg in the first place ???

[bitter vigil]

shit gear no healer

they probably didnt realise you were doing 13 also

but nc is 1/100 of what musashi is

[vast halo]

wtf but how did NC only lose like 20% hp of the whole rounhd ???

[bitter vigil]

what were you using on musa

[vast halo]

whats the best AA on Musashi then ???

[bitter vigil]

you dont use bb for aa

that is not their fucking job holy

you have 2 other carriers and 3 frontlines doing that

[vast halo]

ik but the BB shouldnt die from the first few planes

[bitter vigil]

because your fleet is dogshit and cant stop said planes

use the purple twin 410 for mobbing

your nc is also 10 levels higher

[vast halo]

also I didnt expect both Allen Summer and Inagram to have so much better AA

[bitter vigil]

thats 20% less dmg taken than musashi

[vast halo]

than Shima

[vast halo]

10 levels make that much different ???

[bitter vigil]

each level is 2%

[vast halo]

so it would be harder if your fleet is underleveled compare to the enemy then ???

[bitter vigil]

thats a given

[vast halo]

also on the boss fleet with Shima the vanguard hardly shot down any planes... when I swap her with Allen Summer they shot down nearly all the planes

but that s just 1 ship

1 ship makes that much different ???

[bitter vigil]

yes

[vast halo]

is the planes gonna be worse in W14 and W15 ???

[bitter vigil]

14 no 15 yes

but thats literally so far away from where you are now

[vast halo]

I am just surprised how bad Shima AA is

[vast halo]

also wont frontlines constantly ttrying to shoot down planes they will run into enemy fire ???

[bitter vigil]

not how that works

[vast halo]

??? isnt the circle on the frontline ships the AA range ???

and since your circle have to been in range of the planes... they will more likely to run into torpedoes and other enemy fire ???

[bitter vigil]

i dont see how that has to do with anything?

your frontline doesnt "seek out" planes

if planes enter their range they shoot it

their movement is always just random

making random assumptions is dangerous

[vast halo]

I know but you know how there is a circle on the frontline ships when planes come ???

what does the circle do then ???

[bitter vigil]

if planes enter the circle they get shot down

simple as

[vast halo]

oh I was playing on manual

but on the circle they cant shoot everything down instantly

[bitter vigil]

yes

[vast halo]

so I ended up having to chase the planes to get within circle range... but doing that I cant dodge torps or shell fire

any planes that escapes immdiently hits Musashi like a truck

[bitter vigil]

we've went over this

[vast halo]

yeah but whats wrong with this when NC can easily mitigate that ???

[bitter vigil]

she isnt mitigating everything

shes literally 10 levels over

nc is DOGSHIT

[vast halo]

isnt her skill all AA oriented ???

[bitter vigil]

yes and they all suck

[vast halo]

with NC you dont have to constantly chase planes...

[bitter vigil]

she doesnt help SHOOT THE PLANES

[vast halo]

wdym she doesnt ???

[bitter vigil]

please just read the skills 😭

[vast halo]

I did

[bitter vigil]

musashi is literally just better

musa deals x10 more dmg

she can clear waves faster

[vast halo]

yeah but then the vanguard has to die because they take more hits by chasing the planes

[bitter vigil]

if this is your problem then its literally just a skill issue and you have to manual better

or better yet just make a good fleet and auto

because noone actually manuals in this game

[vast halo]

dont people manual on higher levels ???

[bitter vigil]

noone manuals

manualling is a cop out

[vast halo]

are you sure about that ???

[bitter vigil]

ask everyone be my guest

[vast halo]

then why everyone else I see manual it (youtube... other playthroughs)

especially after W12

[bitter vigil]

youtube as a resource for al is dogshit

its filled with outdated info and people who dont know how to play the game optimally

[vast halo]

also then why you didnt ask the other person struggling to do manual then ???

[bitter vigil]

because most people dont like manualling

[vast halo]

that would clear faster rather than spending more time to grind

[bitter vigil]

plus if a fleet can auto it can manual

it wouldnt?

[vast halo]

no I mean if your auto fleet is struggling... wouldnt you have to spend more time grinding to upgrade the fleet ???

rather than use skill and manual through it ???

[bitter vigil]

youll need to grind and level all these ships sooner or later thats not negotiable

[vast halo]

yeah but you dont have to constantly grind

[bitter vigil]

your ships rn could auto through 13 just fine

you just need to know to use the good ships you have and gear it correctly

[vast halo]

they can barely... but definetly not with Musashi or Shima

[bitter vigil]

its like talking to a brick wall

[vast halo]

Shima would let the planes go by and Musashi will still eat all the dmg

[bitter vigil]

alright man have fun im done with you