help with research oder plox

[cunning scroll]

you have one Tenrai yes?

[glass heath]

not quite

[cunning scroll]

Have you bought any blueprints from the prototype shop?

[glass heath]

since i dont have a tenrai i go avp and then haku, yes?

didnt buy any from shop, no

don't have any leftover bps to buy from there

i could buy 4

[cunning scroll]

Do you have any combat data packs you can convert

[glass heath]

you can do that? yes probably

[cunning scroll]

Convert all the ones you have then

And do due the same for any you get in the future

[glass heath]

even the ones i could use well? like the avp, i dont really have any IBs i can use to properly collect exp on

[cunning scroll]

yes

because grinding XP for a ship is an extremely trivial task that takes less than 6 days

whereas earning that many prototype cores at your stage of the game

will take a few years practically speaking

[glass heath]

can buy 52 now

finish tenrai and a gun i need?

[cunning scroll]

do you have any of these https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(Mle_1938_Prototype)

or this https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(MK-1)#Type_3-0

[glass heath]

12/25, no

[shrewd imp]

Huh

[glass heath]

was thinking double for my alsace, shes still using a purple

[shrewd imp]

How can you possibly have not bought any tenrai but have 37 bps and almost zero ship bps

[glass heath]

finished ägir and anchorage after all

[cunning scroll]

get series 3 gear prints then and get at least 2 of the first one

as well as buying the last 13 Tenrai BPs to get your first Tenrai

[glass heath]

i use alsace almost everywhere right now, i was thinking finishing the tenrai and the getting her this, but i cant really finish it fully

[magic sedge]

[fading lance]

dont get 457, get tenrai first

[glass heath]

yes that much i understand

[shrewd imp]

At least get rid of that garbo twin 410 for a mk6 or champ gun

[glass heath]

i just dont really have anyone for tenrai rn except shina

[cunning scroll]

Shinano is a good choice and you will have many more in the future

[glass heath]

and my shina seems to deal 0dps compared to all other main fleet ships i have

[fading lance]

just use tenrai wherever dive bomber on boss

like enty for example

[magic sedge]

These two are the best armor piercing guns

[silver prism]

Who is this guy

[magic sedge]

[glass heath]

oh ya on the topic of shina, what am i doing wrong, my shina is dealing 20k while my other backliners are dealing 120k

[cunning scroll]

without any context

it's difficult to say

[glass heath]

the gear is alright ye? dont have access to fancy stuff

[cunning scroll]

certainly gear isn't helping but there's a multitude of other factors

[cunning scroll]

it's transitional gear which is competent enough

[fading lance]

is she in mob or boss

[glass heath]

been tossing her around both not seeing any success, unicorn outdpsing her in both

[cunning scroll]

have you considered accounting for the fact Unicorn has a preload

[fading lance]

if in mob its cause too slow

[cunning scroll]

and that she's simply killing anything before Shinano launches

[magic sedge]

Maybe the timeline is wrong

[glass heath]

i realise that, but ive also been using them both in meta fights which last long enoughh for the preload to almost not matter

[fading lance]

plus if everything else fires before shinano its likely she doesnt get to hit much

[cunning scroll]

well, Shinano is also only level 115, her red skill isn't maxed, etc

[glass heath]

currently maxing the skill, yes

and leveling her

[cunning scroll]

rules of thumb, don't compare a ship that's not maxed with one that is

pay attention to the battle and see what's going on and not just at end screen damage numbers

[fading lance]

also bossing CVs require proper setup to do big damage

[glass heath]

when the petals of my shina hit i see double digit damage numbers

[fading lance]

i.e. converge torps, rocket fighter, slow/stopper, buffer frontline

[cunning scroll]

I don't know what state Unicorn is in, what the rest of the fleet even is, or whether or not you're even lasting that long in META fights

[cunning scroll]

her barrage is garbage and not the main focus of her kit

also before I forget, give this a read in regards to research if you haven't already
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[glass heath]

i dont know the setup rules or timing, ill just come back when shes maxed and have one of you explain to me how to set up
so imma buy tenrai now regardless and hold on to the other bp stuffs until i can make another full ur gear

[magic sedge]

[cunning scroll]

have you got a Champagne gun yet

[glass heath]

dunno what that is, but i assume no

[cunning scroll]

this right here

[glass heath]

oh that, no 12/25

[cunning scroll]

buy series 3 gear prints then

[magic sedge]

Having MK6 and Champagne Guns solves 90% of the problems regarding the choice of main guns for battleships

[glass heath]

buy gear prints?

[cunning scroll]

keep buying them until you can craft at least 2

probably 3

[fading lance]

imo CVs are harder to use than BBs, but appear to have a higher ceiling than them

[cunning scroll]

these, specifically the series 3 ones

[glass heath]

that really worth the blueprints when i could buy the ur prints with them?

[cunning scroll]

yes

[glass heath]

if you say so ill buy a few

[fading lance]

yes

[cunning scroll]

Champagne gun is the best AP BB gun for single target medium and heavy armor on battleships

[glass heath]

capped to 20, monthly, right?

[cunning scroll]

yes

[magic sedge]

[fading lance]

meanwhile twin457 is for w13+

not necessary but good to have

[cunning scroll]

it's a mobbing and campaign bossing gun moreso

and, do not assume higher rarity automatically means better for anything in AL

[fading lance]

the boss(es) in w14+ are more like very tanky mob fleets so it can work in boss too

[glass heath]

alright, thanks for the help guys
2 nice upgrades

[magic sedge]

good

[glass heath]

anything else i can get my alsace or anyone else easilly rn? got 2k or something of the bp currency left

[cunning scroll]

no

[fading lance]

also while were here stop spreading your gold plates

[cunning scroll]

that's pretty much the best you're gonna get against medium and heavy armor

[fading lance]

and never +13 the staag there is no reason to do so

[glass heath]

i didnt spread them technically, i only just got the good aux

before then i didnt know if/when i will be able to get it

[fading lance]

if you dont know just do nothing

doing nothing can be less bad than doing something

[grizzled anvil]

there is, but for marginal improvements. Min max stuff for OpSi since the dmg increase is quite ehh in campaign

[glass heath]

what do i use my aa golds for then? save for when i can get the ur?

[fading lance]

ive never seen a recommendation for +13ing a staag for anything so this is new info for me

[fading lance]

either UR AA, sextuple or the best alternative is to save

[glass heath]

sextuple? i thought it was aa you use before you get the good stuff, just something transitional

[grizzled anvil]

yea these are the AA guns that matter in campaign (w13, w13-H, w14 and w15)

[glass heath]

i gotta stop believing the community tier list then

[fading lance]

you can consider spending them when you’re able to do w13h and w15

[grizzled anvil]

thing is, the ECTL gear recommendations serve its purpose for guiding newbies and waifu enjoyers

it is in discords where the specialized help and advice is. ECTL has to consider a general situation

[fading lance]

ectl is a general guide, meaning it will give you general advice which may not be good depending on your situation

in any case if you’re unsure how to use AA, just spam twin 113/roomba on vanguard

[glass heath]

thats also why i went for that gun for alsace, not sure about the situations where its better, but if its so far above it and i can make it i thought why not

[fading lance]

note that the tiering is a list and not x is better than y

also you can click on the icon and see what it says

[cunning scroll]

to begin with read the tiering guidelines

of particular relevance is this section

[glass heath]

the list is top to bottom and things in the same spot are situational but equal i thought seems the most logical to me

[magic sedge]

[glass heath]

ya tiering is just as i expected according to that, so higher up on average means better, so im wondering why that purple i used you all wanted me to asap switch out for something 3 slots below is so far up

[magic sedge]

I use this as a reference

[glass heath]

scuffed 😔

[magic sedge]

[cunning scroll]

no it does not

[glass heath]

lemme just learn japanese

[cunning scroll]

that's chinese not japanese

[cunning scroll]

and the best gear is always situational

[magic sedge]

yes

[fading lance]

even though i cant read chinese this seems like a more useful way to list guns

[cunning scroll]

and you progress further, and content gets more difficult, you need to start looking into what's best for what rather than just going with the best general option

[cunning scroll]

this gun compared to the Mk7, is superior to the Mk7 against medium and heavy armor enemies

whereas the Mk7 is better against light armor enemies

[magic sedge]

Maybe that's more like math

[cunning scroll]

and medium and heavy armor enemies become more prevealent in OpSi and later Campaign stages

[glass heath]

i completely forgot why i made the thread and am about to head out sooo
finish ply while doing avp and then haku, yes?

[fading lance]

its not math, its just
med/heavy armor, use AP gun
light armor, use HE gun
sync or desync? use appropriate guns for it, or your best option

[cunning scroll]

for future reference, this is the official EN discord server, most of us don't know Japanese or Chinese

also I can barely even read that

[cunning scroll]

set your research focus to PR5 and work on maxing Plymouth and Brest yes

while you're doing that unlock AvP and coin her to FS5

among other things

[magic sedge]

[glass heath]

thanks for bearing with me, ill be back in 2 weeks when im utterly confused again