What to do next with W14-4?

[fringe citrus]

@heady flume ask me to do this

[heady flume]

right

[fringe citrus]

Give me Cock Array to 125 my waifu

[heady flume]

Mob: FDG, Unicorn, Volga, Laffey 2, San Diego, Plymouth,
Boss: Soyuz, Shinano, Hakuryu, Agir, Unzen, Anchorage

let me get gear real quick

[fringe citrus]

TF why do i use Sandy in non-mosquito map?

[mortal heron]

Because after getting her Unique Augment she got a pretty big buff to her surface damage

[fringe citrus]

Isn't Shimanto way more practical even Dev 30 no sim?

[mortal heron]

You would be surprised on how much damage Sandy does now

Go test it out in a random CM fight

[fringe citrus]

OK i'll trust you

[heady flume]

well you don't have her at Dev 30

[fringe citrus]

How about Mainz, compare to Sandy?

[fringe citrus]

I didn't plan to go 14-4 rn since you say i need Volga and she still at 100

Can i swap Plymouh to Boss and Unzen to Mob?

[heady flume]

yes that can also work

[fringe citrus]

[heady flume]

anyway, that should very comfortably auto clear

may need a few tweaks if you want to lethal 3 star

the missing breguet you can get from the core data shop

[fringe citrus]

Why should i use fighter and paralel torp TB in boss fleet, only vanguard isn't enough to clear?

[fringe citrus]

Why i need to buy it?

[heady flume]

because the 14-4 boss fight is basically a 3 star BB node with Mogami tacked on at the end

later campaign bosses tend to lean more towards the mobbing side of the spectru,

[heady flume]

because it's a really good budget plane

[fringe citrus]

I have no 'mechanic chicken' and 'beaver tag'

[heady flume]

it's one of only 2 torpedo bombers that can passively intercept

[heady flume]

they're from momentos

I highly reccomend you pick them up

[fringe citrus]

thx

See if it work

Lemme farm 125 on Volga real quick

I need More 101 cock array to 125 her

[heady flume]

level 120 will be fine

esepcially just for clearing

[fringe citrus]

About leathal 3 star?

[heady flume]

for lethal 3 star

I'd drop San Diego for Guam

and then she would main tank while laffey 2 off tanks

[fringe citrus]

I think i use Mainz instead of Sandy

[heady flume]

yeah don't, there's no advantage there

[fringe citrus]

How?

[magic osprey]

Unfortunately it does not seem that i can auto 12-4 for xp farming

[heady flume]

Sandy does more damage and can do ASW

on top of her AA

[magic osprey]

And seems like i need to xp book ships to at least a 100 so that they dont die

[fringe citrus]

[heady flume]

Mainz is a but tankier but that's about it

[heady flume]

first, is 12-4 on safe

second, what gear were you using

[fringe citrus]

I farm my ship on 11-1 to 120

[magic osprey]

Oh wait i just found out i am on the wrong thread 💀

[fringe citrus]

before go on W12

[fringe citrus]

fine

I don't mind of it

[magic osprey]

11-1 could work better

[fringe citrus]

Yee

[heady flume]

I wouldn't

[magic osprey]

As for gear i just strapped whatever on the ships im leveling

[mortal heron]

You don't get chips, tho

[heady flume]

11-1 is a bit more efficient in terms of oil but that's it

[fringe citrus]

12-1 good too

[heady flume]

W12 is better in all other aspects including ease of farming

[fringe citrus]

less coin but nice XP and got cock chip

[heady flume]

yeah don't

[mortal heron]

Seems like that might be the problem, "whatever" can be really awful if you don't know what you are doing

[heady flume]

you really need to equip the ships you're leveling competently as well

[fringe citrus]

[magic osprey]

Should i level their skills too before hand?

To 10.

[heady flume]

I don't level skills for ships usually that I'm leveling

[fringe citrus]

Up to what ship you leveling

If you leveling important ship so it worth

[heady flume]

this is an extreme but the better you equip your ships the more leeway you have in what you can use while leveling/farming

[magic osprey]

Up to what level do you xp book the ship so its tanky enough to bring to wc12

[mortal heron]

For the ones you are gonna use for W14 yes

[heady flume]

it depends

[mortal heron]

The ones you are leveling for tech not really

[heady flume]

I sometimes don't bother past level 70

[fringe citrus]

Does Napoli practical?

[magic osprey]

Also not sure how many ships should i level at a time

[heady flume]

hmm?

[magic osprey]

1 vanguard and 1 main or?

[heady flume]

at least 5, preferably 6

[fringe citrus]

I curious about her 1 MGM and 2 SGM

[heady flume]

at worst you'll use Unicorn to carry

[fringe citrus]

Fuul team better

[magic osprey]

Id just get obliterated then lol

[fringe citrus]

It has oil cap

[heady flume]

you'd be suprised

esepcially with some of the ships you're leveling

again, make sure the map is one safe

[magic osprey]

Well from the looks of it, its not going well for me lol

[heady flume]

give them some good fear and watch as they handle things with ease

[fringe citrus]

@heady flume answer me this pls

[mortal heron]

Fear

[heady flume]

well I don't even have her at Dev 25

[mortal heron]

Is FdG your flag?

[heady flume]

massive gear issue really

[magic osprey]

Nah

Shinano is

[mortal heron]

Yea what Cheeky said then

[heady flume]

if you're managing to die in W12 with Guam and Laffey 2

[magic osprey]

Cause fdg doesn't have the hp yet

[mortal heron]

Explain

[magic osprey]

Yeah i never understood how gear works really, too confusing and i dont want to bother reading the entire damage calculation wiki behind it to understand it

[fringe citrus]

She has only 1MGM, and 2 SGM which only go solid when skill active, i wonder if she can compare to Hinden

[magic osprey]

The way i did it is i just strapped on the best possible gear i had that the slaimuda github tierlist told me to use

[fringe citrus]

Slaimuda guide is just guide

[heady flume]

that works to a point

[fringe citrus]

not handbook

[mortal heron]

You know that gear is situational right? read gear noted by hovering over

[heady flume]

but you do need some understanding of what gear is good in what scenario

[mortal heron]

or just read this better https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

[fringe citrus]

Smartheart guide is way more trustworthy i think

[magic osprey]

The way i see it HE - Light,medium
AP - Heavy

[heady flume]

no

[magic osprey]

The end

[heady flume]

that's vastly oversimplifying it

first, for BB Guns a good AP gun is better than a good HE gun for both medium and heavy armor

that's without getting into the details of if the gun's soft factors make it good and worth using in the first place

[fringe citrus]

@mortal heron answer me this

[heady flume]

and for vanguard guns those rules pretty much go out the window

[heady flume]

her damage is about the same levels as Agir on paper

[mortal heron]

agir?

[heady flume]

yes, Agir

[mortal heron]

Wait are we talking about Sandy

I'm confused

[heady flume]

they're reffering to Napoli there

[fringe citrus]

I asking you about Napoli damage compare to Hinden

[mortal heron]

ooooooooooh

mb

[magic osprey]

Ill have to find a makeshift way to level then since i dont have the gear for it

[heady flume]

and Agir's damage is the lowest of the CBs and well below the top damage dealiers like Hindenburg

[heady flume]

strip the best off other ships

and/or drop FDG for Unicorn

[fringe citrus]

Ägir is for utilities task i think

[magic osprey]

Well you see i dont have that much variety i have like 2 types of weapoy per ship type

[heady flume]

again

read Sam's gear guide in #bot-spam /equip then

equip the best you have and remember to enhance it

[fringe citrus]

@heady flume btw how TF Sandy deal such a damage equal to Harbin

Due to her anti-shield star barrage from augment?

[heady flume]

her augment

it gives her her quasi 4 main gun mounts

[fringe citrus]

Plymouth gun?

[heady flume]

no, her barrages on paper anyway are better than most DD guns

they don't have the hitting rait though so it's not quite that in practice

[fringe citrus]

So

I think Sandy can equip 113mm birtish gun properly

[magic osprey]

Eh ill make a thread on what i need to gear specifically for wc 12 xp farming after i look at the guide

[heady flume]

100 kai and Mogador gun are better for her

[magic osprey]

Its 5 am, my dumass should sleep

[fringe citrus]

100 kai is understandable but 138mm?

[heady flume]

yes

Sandy still has 2 proper main gun mounts

[fringe citrus]

She didn't even have gun damage skill

[fringe citrus]

Oh fuck i borgo-

sry

That should be work i think

Thx alot

@heady flume which Suchiguma showcase of that CM boss you show me

The one Suchi use sandy

[heady flume]

what?

[fringe citrus]

Isn't you or someone here just send a picture damage result of CM boss comp

It has Plymouth, Harbin and Sandy

And then picture deleted

[heady flume]

oh Smootie did post a result of a run against the current CM

comparing the damage of Plymouth, Sandy, and Harbin

[fringe citrus]

I wann see what gear used

Sandy damage equal to Harbin is fucking crazy

[heady flume]

well, @mortal heron

[mortal heron]

it was an old one tho not current

when Sandy got her Augment

[heady flume]

oh yes

[mortal heron]

lemme find it again lmfao

[fringe citrus]

You told me its from Suchiguma's video

[mortal heron]

#gameplay-help message

Uh I never said something about a video

There's the image with text for additional context

[hybrid kernel]

you should show gear also. the important stuff needs to be +10.

[magic osprey]

Here's a few examples

[hybrid kernel]

i don't see why that would fail if you just use unicorn

[magic osprey]

I am using unicorn with the lv 70 shitters

Theyre the problem

They die too quick

Lemme sc both fleets im leveling

Gear is most likely the problem i assume

[hybrid kernel]

It's assumed you know it is L70 MLB shitters not actual shitters.

You're carrying way too much truly bad stuff with no one that can actually kill anything

[magic osprey]

I guess ill mix em with the other fleet so theyre both usable

I dont have anything else that needs leveling besides those 2 fleets

[hybrid kernel]

you aren't even leveling kaza. it's just pure waste...

[magic osprey]

Out of coins to LB 👽

[hybrid kernel]

then use someone better

[magic osprey]

Thats the issue,i don't

My dock isnt that vast

[hybrid kernel]

where's portland, starter, helena, whatever ship even got you to 12 in the first place

[magic osprey]

Starter and helena are 125 i guess i could level the other starters,theyre around 90

I wont be using them for anything but i guess they could just be fleet technology fodder

[hybrid kernel]

There's no difference at all between using your 125 helena and your trashy capped kaza. both get 0 xp except by using helena at least noshiro might not die

or better yet put helena back in boss and level an actual useful ship in mob

[magic osprey]

Fixed it i guess

Dont have any bulins for Noshiro but theyre easy enough to get

[hybrid kernel]

I still think you're taking unnecessary risks for possibly 2% greater xp/oil efficieny. it's simply not worth it. in the long run you won't even notice this efficiency gain and any efficiency it might have had is gone because you even failed.

[magic osprey]

I tried running 12-1 and its doable with this setup

Though i cant do 12-4

I guess i should just stick to 12-1?

[hybrid kernel]

there's no difference really. whatever you feel is best for you in 12+ is fine.

[fringe citrus]

You have Ryouhou alreaday, you can just replace another ship with Unicorn. 1 healer per fleet enough

[magic osprey]

yeah but ryouhou isnt strong enough to clear the mobs

and no preload either

[heady flume]

just to make absolutely certain once again, is 12-1 on safe

and not lethal still

[fringe citrus]

[magic osprey]

it is on low threat

[heady flume]

get it down to safe first

at safe your ships will take 20% less damage and deal 20% more damage

[magic osprey]

how do you do that again? just clear it enough times?

[fringe citrus]

yes

[heady flume]

the damage boost only kicks in once you get it to safe

[heady flume]

tap the little bar that tells you the threat level

that will tell you how many more runs you need to get it down to safe

[fringe citrus]

20% damage boost didn't show up in-game text

But it really existed

[fringe citrus]

BTW why don't you uncap their level honestly

Swordfish 818 and BTD Destroyer is shit plane

Helldiver and its upgrade version is best DB if we don't count Tenrai

[magic osprey]

I cant afford those

[fringe citrus]

How

[magic osprey]

because theyre gear lab planes

[fringe citrus]

Helldiver is purple one

Can easily get from box

TF

When you ships affinity reach to Love (100 point) they got more 6% stats

105 Shinano with stranger affinity is cursed

[magic osprey]

I dont have any helldivers

[fringe citrus]

Open the box

Compose lower tier box to purple box and then

Helldiver in the America box

[magic osprey]

i have 5 of em but are you sure purple are better than what im using?

also i mainly uses swordfish cause i need the slow until i get fdg upgraded

[fringe citrus]

Yes

Open wiki then

And

If you want slow, try using actual ship with skill

Like Ark Royal, Soyuz or someone

[magic osprey]

Fdg has a slow no?

[heady flume]

FDG does not

[heady flume]

yes, the Helldiver is practically tied for being the 3rd best divebomber in the game

[magic osprey]

My bad i mistook fdg with uvh

[fringe citrus]

@magic osprey chart sort from highest damage deal to Heavy armor target

[heady flume]

yeah no

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BombSpread#Results

that doesn't take into account bomb hit rate and splash damage

[fringe citrus]

Yeah

hit box mechanic

[magic osprey]

As for torpedo planes? Are the ryuseis good?

Thats what i generally use for bosses

[fringe citrus]

Um

We changed plane up to purpose

[heady flume]

ok I'm gonna make this pretty simple

can you screen shot all the SR and purple gear you have

plus what SR gear you can craft

and if you have any T4 and T5 tech boxes open them

[magic osprey]

Okey dokie prepare for a lot of images lol

[heady flume]

there's also a safe to scrap guide in #bot-spam /equip

if you need space

[fringe citrus]

Whatever @heady flume say is right, trust him

I have my way to pass didn't mean it also practical for everyone

[heady flume]

alright so first, how much Core Data do you have?

[fringe citrus]

We have alot of things to talk about due to what you have

[magic osprey]

Ive got 970 core data

[heady flume]

okay then

so first things you'll want to get from the core data shops are some pairs of shells

[fringe citrus]

Atleast 3 pair of black and white shell

[heady flume]

these 2

for now get one White Shell

[magic osprey]

Aight i guess

[heady flume]

anyway, that is the fleet you should be focusing on getting levels for the time being

with that gear, all enhanced and 12-1 on safe it should have 0 issues clearing 6 mobs

the boss fleet, for now use a mixture of some ships that also need leveling and some higher level ships to carry them if need be

[magic osprey]

What's up with the blue gear on shima?

Just curious as to why

[heady flume]

it is one of the best options for her

[magic osprey]

Yeah ive got no issues clearing 12-1 right now with what ive got, only thing that's impacting me is the morale

[heady flume]

her gun damage is is pretty poor but she has a very strong All out Assault

[heady flume]

put the ships you're using to mob in the dorm so they recover morale faster

[magic osprey]

Yeah already done just gotta wait a bit

[magic osprey]

Also shouldn't i have at least 1 sakura empire plane on hakuryu so i get the 15% AVI boost?

[heady flume]

preferably yes but farming 12-1 on safe isn't difficult enough for that to matter and you don't really have any good IJN aircraft for mobbing anyway

[magic osprey]

Oh yeah this is kinda off topic but i just noticed Eldridge got a retrofit

Is she any worth it.

[fringe citrus]

Very

[magic osprey]

Id pull but since UR banner is arriving shortly i guess ill wait

[fringe citrus]

That a reason you need atleast 1 Tenrai

[fringe citrus]

She in pvp shop

[magic osprey]

Ah nice

I should probably do my PvP stuff i barely do it since i can't auto it

Does anyone already know what the new UR will be?

[fringe citrus]

No

[fringe citrus]

Do it for merit

merit for gold bulin

[hybrid kernel]

purple is not better than golddiver but is better than that btd which is most definitely not on ectl

[fringe citrus]

@heady flume 14-4 lethal 3* passed, thx