#Hypothetically
cinder fulcrum
Hypothetically, which ship tier list would be more useful: one that tiers ships by their own kit performance in difficult content (shinano assumes 3 IJN and buffs the fleet, but haku doesn't assume shinano and minor buffs the fleet) or one that tiers ships when in their best fleets against difficult content (nakhi assumes soyuz, but hinden doesn't assume avrora because avrora isn't best).
For the first, you'll get stuff like Shinano > Haku and have to go digging in lower tiers for Haku or Enterprise (brainpower needed). For the second, if you're missing parts of the best fleets, you'd have to think how much worse than the tiering the ship is (brainpower needed).
grizzled umbra
amber basalt
yes....
grizzled umbra
Everything needs context
cinder fulcrum
Thank you for your input 
amber basalt
I look forward to your cooking whatever form it takes
cinder fulcrum
I need assistance with my question
amber basalt
for a non-joke response
cinder fulcrum
Ectl does neither because it's not relevant to them, and CN wiki opsi tier list does both and is inconsistent
amber basalt
I would consider some pairs only when it is relevant
some like Shinano and Hakuryu would go under that
things like Avrora and Hindenburg less so
and I think it would be best to provide context for the relevant pairs on their strengths when paired and when sortied individually
cinder fulcrum
Yorkii and Enty are paired (for Enty)
Yorkii and kear are paired (for them both)
Are Yorkii and Essex paired?
amber basalt
it would depend on how extensive you want to go I suppose
I wouldn't really consider the last one though
cinder fulcrum
If not, then you'd have to draw the line somewhere. And suddenly there's a multi-tier jump between Enty and Shangri, or ticon and hornii
amber basalt
on the basis of it's probably worse than the more easily obtainable pair of Yk2 and Enterprise
as for where to draw the line exactly, it's difficult to say
personally
cinder fulcrum
Tier list for difficult content should not consider acquisition and availability
vast hatch
tier listing based on accessibility. terrible. jmo
amber basalt
my point is this
would you ever use Yorktown 2 and Essex over Yorktown 2 and Enterprise reasonably and Enterprise is a heck of a lot easier to get than Essex under normal circumstances
so the comparison would rarely if ever come up and for the sake of not haveing to consider every possible combination and preserving sanity
that is where I would personally draw the line
cinder fulcrum
Thank you for your contribution. Sucks to be an Essex lover 
golden hull
I'm not sure if my input is valuable here, because the eHP list is inherently different than something like a tier list.
But if I had to answer whether or not eHP the way I calc it was:
A - own kit performance
B - best fleet performance
I would say that eHP calcs it as A, and if there is B, I would make it known in parenthesis. For example, Napoli (VV) .
cinder fulcrum
Where is agir (expo invite) (VV)
golden hull
til AgirAP (expo invite) (VV) (Yat Sen) is best fleet performance
Does that input help you?
You can have separate B entries
For your list, if you would like.
cinder fulcrum
Hypothetically, which ship tier list would be more useful: one that tiers ships ...
So basically you do both option 1 and option 2 except that option 2 is limited to "high-end" pairings like cheeky wanted
golden hull
Yes. Option 1 default. Option 2 by "yeah, this is how it is" or by popular request.
golden hull
Are you making a tier list, Suchiperson
cinder fulcrum
Let the hypothesis be "Suchiperson is making a tier list"
Do you have any evidence
golden hull
He is asking about it
cinder fulcrum
But he is asking hypothetically
golden hull
Ah, so this is a doubly hypothetical claim
golden hull
But he is asking hypothetically
SuchiHito I have eHP basics guide for you to review
Its in progress
golden hull
Should I also keep on highlighting everything in the document? All HP stuff is now green?
cinder fulcrum
why is the toolkit yellow though
if it's default highlight, then choose a different color for luck
section 2.3 appears to be missing a plus sign
golden hull
why is the toolkit yellow though
The highlight section here not finished yet ehe
cinder fulcrum
im not a mathematician but maybe a multiplication dot or a bigger space would make it not 30.1
golden hull
good idea
cinder fulcrum
This is an assumption that Neptune would always take at least 20% of her HP in damage.
should be worded differently, would always fall below 20% of her max hp
cinder fulcrum
what a cliffhanger
cinder fulcrum
how about min(1.0, max(0.1, thing)) or just clip()
