W14 fleetbuilding

[vestal plank]

I'm trying to 14-2 and found that my current fleets weren't good enough, what fleets should I make?

Available ships and the fleets I used

[tame sparrow]

Mob: Soyuz, Unicorn, Saratoga, Carl, Mogador, Laffey 2
Boss: Alsace, Enterprise, Independence, Guam, Tai Yuan, Anchorage

[vestal plank]

My Mogador isn't even lvl 110 though

[tame sparrow]

get her to level 120 before trying

you may or may not need to wait to get some better gear anyway

[vestal plank]

I can ss all the gear I have

[tame sparrow]

that would be helpful

just UR and SR stuff

[vestal plank]

Why Mog over the other ships though

[tame sparrow]

because she does more damage than pretty much all of your other vanguards

[vestal plank]

Is there any other gear I need to craft

[tame sparrow]

a few things

[vestal plank]

Like what

[tame sparrow]

gimme a sec

something like that

the main things here are the 155 Kais on the BBs

[vestal plank]

The what

[tame sparrow]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_155mm_(3rd_Year_Type)_Kai

[vestal plank]

Oh the cl gun

Why the torp bulk things on vanguard though

[tame sparrow]

there's not insubstantiual torp pressure in W14

[vestal plank]

This is all gear that I have except for that second plane on Uni

[tame sparrow]

you can get that from the core data shop

[vestal plank]

Got it

Man getting Mog to 120 is gonna be a while

[tame sparrow]

shouldn't take that long

[vestal plank]

Oh I just realized how many roombas there are

[vestal plank]

Why so many roombas?

[tame sparrow]

planes don't come freqently in W14 and there aren't that many of them but you want to ensure you shoot them down when they do come

[vestal plank]

Here

These are my available, well invested ships

And this is all my gear

[tame sparrow]

so, what went wrong then

[vestal plank]

Well, most of it since I didn't feel like taking a shit ton of screenshots of purple gear

[vestal plank]

?

Went wrong with what?

[tame sparrow]

that

[vestal plank]

...I may or may not have completely forgotten about that

I just remembered I never used it cause I was working on lvl 120 Mog

[tame sparrow]

well, if you want to go now that would still be my recc

or you could take the time to 120 Agir, Shinano, and Amagi CV

Agir would replace Guam who would replace Carl

and Shinano and Amagi would replace Enterprise and Independence

[vestal plank]

Hmm

Quick side note, would it be possible to full clear W15 if I do the second option?

[tame sparrow]

probably not with your gear as is

plus you'd need to take time to level CVs for the support fleet

[vestal plank]

What do you mean?

[vestal plank]

What the fuck? Why does that exist?

[tame sparrow]

it's a W15 mechanic

but yeah no, I would not have confidence in your ability to clear W15 as is

[vestal plank]

Well for CVs, this is what I have if it helps

[tame sparrow]

it really doesn't

120ing Illustrious would be the minimum

Independence may make the cut for the support depending in your other options

[vestal plank]

What do you mean?

[tame sparrow]

I mean in terms if your best options

W15 is one of the last places you want to cut corners

[vestal plank]

How does it work that my current options wouldn't cut it?

[tame sparrow]

W15 support fleet CVs are only there to provide fighter support

so the best W15 Support fleet CVs are dependent on the strength of your fighters

it's why Illustrious is one of the best

[vestal plank]

So then what's wrong with my options and my gear?

[tame sparrow]

it's probably not good enough just flat out

to be blunt

[vestal plank]

Hmm

Well I do have a lot of materials and designs if crafting is something I need to do, does that help?

[tame sparrow]

let me put it like this

at minimum to make things comfortable

I'd expect one of the better sub fleets raised, San Diego leveled, augmented and retrofitted, at least another Wyvern and a Pair of Breguets bought, and enough Flapjacks to equip the 4 CVs in your 2 surface fleets you'll end up running

on top of Illustrious and one of Little Illustrious, Langley Retro, or Illustrious Muse leveled for the support fleet

and Amagi CV and Shinano getting 120ed as well

[vestal plank]

Yknow

Everything you just listed outside of little and muse Illustrious is doable in the next week or two for me

[tame sparrow]

you're not planning to book a bunch of ships to 120 are you

[vestal plank]

Absolutely fucking not lol

I'll just 12-1 them

I got a few tens of thousands of oil in storage

[tame sparrow]

yeah I wouldn't

just take your time with leveling

W14 and W15 aren't going anywhere

[vestal plank]

Well I do have a reason for the goal of clearing W15

[tame sparrow]

which is?

[vestal plank]

Each 3* stage clear in W14 and 15 give 100 gems, right?

[tame sparrow]

no

[vestal plank]

?

[tame sparrow]

50 for x-1, x-2, and x-3

100 for x-4

[valid moss]

50

250 for 1 chapter

[vestal plank]

Ah

Dammit

I thought they gave 100 each

I need exactly 700 more gems for what I wanted

I heard that Alsace's bikini skin would run in the Black Friday thing and I wanted Sirius's new L2D skin as well, but I have 1769 and each costs like 1200

I'd be 200 gems short

Though I could complete the memento collection for a total of 100 gems, it's still not enough

Do the skins have discounts or is it just shop reruns?

[valid moss]

just rerun

[vestal plank]

I see...

Well, it's still my goal

I can manage to do everything Cheeky said

Probably don't need to rush it but I can still work on the clears

[tame sparrow]

yeah about that

this is probably some of the most burnt cooking I've done so far so take it with a bit of salt but yeah...

[vestal plank]

Why do I need Eldridge??

I donkt even have her

[tame sparrow]

she's really good for a lot of things

mainly keeping the vanguard alive

and not just in W15

plus you should have her retrofit item and she's obtainable in the merit shop

[vestal plank]

Well, this is looking pretty doable

I have 19 UR design selections and a couple of plane, torp, and main ones already

What are the chances we'll get 100 gems in about a month and a half lol

[tame sparrow]

unlikely

[vestal plank]

Oh well

I'll use the W14 fleets you provided tomorrow

[valid moss]

is this the 1 fleet bulldoze strat

if it is it probably wont work

[tame sparrow]

No

This is how do I compensate for the lack of Klaudia, Aquila, or Volga

[valid moss]

it probably wont work regardless though

the boss is losing atleast 20% hp on 1 boss fight

[tame sparrow]

Yeah I really don't have that much confidence either

But it's a start anyway

[valid moss]

yeah looks pretty rough if that's all you can make

will prob take him atleast til next year

[spare linden]

Is w13 a lot easier than w14

[tame sparrow]

Yes

[spare linden]

Damn ok

[valid moss]

I would say so yes

we cleared w13 with ease even at 2020-2021

[spare linden]

Is laffey II super good for w14

[vestal plank]

Is it really that bad in there??

[tame sparrow]

That's a bit of an exageration

But difficulty does not increase linearly in campaigns

There will be a big spike from W13 to W14

[valid moss]

i'll put it in a simple way

[tame sparrow]

And another from W14 to W15

[valid moss]

without musashi ur 100% not even beating 15-3

[vestal plank]

Why specifically her?

[tame sparrow]

That's quite the exageration

[valid moss]

with the ships you have you'll most likely need musashi

if that's the best fleet cheeky can make for w15 its quite a low chance

[tame sparrow]

Well I don't know what else they have

[valid moss]

you'll atleast need brest or ply and jeanne as well

[tame sparrow]

If Aquila or Volga is in there this becomes a lot simpler

[vestal plank]

Unfortunately not

[valid moss]

without a 2nd healer like aquila volga mob is quite rough

[vestal plank]

Do I have to screenshot everything I have?

[tame sparrow]

Just URs and SRs

[valid moss]

well I doubt you will lose in w14 since you have improtant ships

[vestal plank]

Alright I'll do that in a bit, I'm a little busy so I'll ping you when I get them

[vestal plank]

I already cleared 14-1 with my ships surviving pretty well

Forgot the fleet I used though

And that wasn't even with the fleet Cheeky gave me before today

I'll brb, I'm busy atm

[tame sparrow]

14-1 is just the warm up

[valid moss]

1-2 is always intro

3-4 ramps up

[tame sparrow]

Once you get to the 14-2 boss you'll see what we mean

[valid moss]

actually isn't 14-3 easier than 2 and 4

dont remember exactly

[vestal plank]

@tame sparrow

[tame sparrow]

Zuiho might help

Same with Jeanne

[vestal plank]

What do they do?

[vestal plank]

Why would those two help

[valid moss]

jeanne gives frontline more survivability

zuiho is a good healer

[vestal plank]

I need 2 healers for W15?

Wouldn't Perseus work though?

[valid moss]

too low dmg

maybe if you full manual

[vestal plank]

Full manual? Why?

[vestal plank]

I just realized, is that Laffey in the front spot and Carl in the back and Unicorn as flag?

Doesn't Carl want to be in the front for her skill to activate?

[tame sparrow]

no

1, 2, 3 in the main fleet is
flag, off flag, off flag
1, 2, 3 in the vanguard is
Main tank, middle, off tank

[vestal plank]

Anyone here to provide some insight?

[tame sparrow]

sure

[vestal plank]

Oh hey

I was just about to summon you

So this is what I got for the mob and boss fleet respectively

[tame sparrow]

uhhhhhh

[vestal plank]

Don't mind Guam's and Laffii's positions, I misunderstood how it worked

Guam's in front

[tame sparrow]

that's not the issue here

[vestal plank]

?

What is?

[tame sparrow]

did you not get Zuiho leveled up?

[vestal plank]

Zuihou?

I mean I have her lvl 70 mlb

What's she gotta do with anything

[tame sparrow]

I told you to level her way back when

would really come in handy for this

[vestal plank]

I completely forgot about her but why does she come in handy here

[tame sparrow]

second healer to suplement Unicorn

and to keep Musashi topped up

[vestal plank]

2 healers in one fleet?

[tame sparrow]

yeah

[vestal plank]

I was just reading through that W14 guide you gave and I chose to do 2 dmg BBs and 1 healer carrier

[tame sparrow]

where does it say to do double BB?

[vestal plank]

Let me go check

[tame sparrow]

so

does the fleet fail to 3 star or what?

[vestal plank]

I haven't tested with this team, I was asking if this should do the trick

I haven't attempted since the last time we spoke here

Got busy with other stuff including outside the game

[tame sparrow]

the BBs need to be desynced better, I'd want an extra Depth Charge Launcher somewhere in the mob fleet

Boss fleet vanguard looks squishy

[vestal plank]

What is a depth charge launcher

The hedgehog?

And how would I desync them?

[tame sparrow]

give Musashi the Twin 410 kai for one

[tame sparrow]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Improved_Depth_Charge#tabber-Type_3

[vestal plank]

The what

[tame sparrow]

155 Kai for Alsace

[vestal plank]

And what's this

I don't know most of these guns by name

[tame sparrow]

the aux gun you have on Soyuz

[vestal plank]

On who

[tame sparrow]

Mogador

[vestal plank]

Replace the blue tablet thing or the toolbox

[tame sparrow]

the RPG Aux

[vestal plank]

Alright so now what do you mean boss vanguard looks squishy

2 ships with the washing machine

And defensive abilities

[tame sparrow]

those 2 things don't automatically make a ship tanky

replace Brennus with Anchorage

[vestal plank]

Ancho in front?

[tame sparrow]

yes

[vestal plank]

Sorry I was busy for a little while

Is that all that needs to be changed

[tame sparrow]

that would be the minimum

may or may not work

[vestal plank]

Minimum?

[tame sparrow]

yeah

there's tons of other small otpimizations you could make which may or may not matter

[vestal plank]

Like what

[tame sparrow]

better AA gun and augment optimization

Amagi and Shinano's planes

[vestal plank]

What's wrong with their planes

I have the resources to get others if I need to but do I?

[tame sparrow]

well for one you forgot amagi buffs the damage of TBs on IJN ships

so you should be leaning more into that even with just Barracudas and Breugets

[vestal plank]

...Indeed I did

So barrcudas and baguets on Shinano?

Or others

I have a Wyvern that' currently on Indep

Should I swap?