e

[sharp urchin]

so

ik no more hope

but

gear for brest?

[regal lodge]

full disclaimer sticking to a faction fleet is sabotaging ur progression

[empty siren]

just show all dock

[formal osprey]

can u post full dock?

[fallen badger]

oh I recognize this dock

[sharp urchin]

yes

[outer falcon]

Yeah he made a thread for the same reason a couple weeks ago

[sharp urchin]

yep

and i decoded to start iron blood

[fallen badger]

is there really much more to say than what I did then

[sharp urchin]

ummm ig iron blood has more hope

[outer falcon]

probably not if he's not willing to make actual fleets

[sharp urchin]

from what i see ppl actually make iron blood fleets

[fallen badger]

they do

it still doesn't mean they're good though

[sharp urchin]

and plus there isnt much i can do even if i mix cause leveling takes time

[fallen badger]

it does

[regal lodge]

progressing with faction fleets and making lategame faction fleets are two entirely separate things

[fallen badger]

which is why it's better to start sooner rather than later

[regal lodge]

when u have all option u can play with ur crayons however u want

[outer falcon]

Well that's what you would need to work in

[empty siren]

man doesn't have a single core iron blood ship

[outer falcon]

I don't think you are making it past W14 with factions fleets

[sharp urchin]

from what i see august seemed to be a good cv

[fallen badger]

she is

but she can't carry a bad fleet all by her self and she doesn't make an IB fleet any more viable

[empty siren]

w14 is very optimistic

[sharp urchin]

so im trying to get august good up there

i have almost 0cv

so

[outer falcon]

oh,no W13 either then

[fallen badger]

AvP doesn't need to be sortied in an IB fleet to get the most out of her

[empty siren]

forget about iron blood

[fallen badger]

if anything she has most value when she's not in an IB fleet

[sharp urchin]

just 4 leveling rn im putting them there

so i use non main fleet for war achrive grind

[fallen badger]

that's an utter waste

War Archive maps aren't difficult and using capped ships for any easy grind is just wasting XP

[sharp urchin]

since all my main is maxed (except for breast

[empty siren]

can we call iris and vichya as same faction ?

[sharp urchin]

sometimes i do put them together

but only vicha ship i have is jb

and shes only 105

no secondary

[fallen badger]

where even are you in the main campaign again?

[sharp urchin]

11-4

12-1

[fallen badger]

leveling new ships should be a breeze then

[formal osprey]

how do u have a dev 30 brest😭

[regal lodge]

so do u have any goal in mind
coz if ure not trying to progress with faction fleets and ure jumping around anyway then just do it normally and when u have proper options u can do what u want
and ull reach ur goal way faster that way

[empty siren]

the main pivot for a faction fleet imo is that they should have couple of skills at least 2 that support each others

[tranquil niche]

dogshit

[sharp urchin]

pure iris fleet

[fallen badger]

even if you do want to build faction fleets

this is not the way to go about it

[sharp urchin]

at first i thoyugh rich carries everything

[regal lodge]

just put good ships together like mixed fleets but now u have ur self applied handicap restriction

[fallen badger]

PR priority order doesn't change and neither do the principles of good fleet building

[sharp urchin]

um is there an order 4 pr ships?

[fallen badger]

yes

[sharp urchin]

i first did breast cause i only have iris tech points

[fallen badger]

finish PR4, after that 5, and finally 6

[regal lodge]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[fallen badger]

and when I say finish I mean gather blueprints

not unlocking them

[sharp urchin]

yea... dev 30

[fallen badger]

I'm not even gonna question how you managed that

[sharp urchin]

since for a long time i couldnt start anything outside pr1 so i just grinded breast

i first did saint lousi

[outer falcon]

probably used both DR5 and 6 General BPs

[sharp urchin]

then i figured higher pr seemed stronger and did breast

[sharp urchin]

events and shop

also reserch focous was on pr 5

so

[empty siren]

yeah he has shimakaze
he started at least 1 month before me

[sharp urchin]

started around 5th anni

[empty siren]

[sharp urchin]

thats why lyon is still in fleet(first bb)

[outer falcon]

How is your dock so reduced then

[sharp urchin]

?

[outer falcon]

You have been playing for almost a year and dont have many ships

Its surprising

[sharp urchin]

i thought i have almost all except for uvh

that was banner fpr the past year

[empty siren]

if u pulled unzen we might have figued out something in the sakura side

[sharp urchin]

i only manage to get unzen's gun

which is currently on saint louis

[fallen badger]

anyway

my recommendation would be to not use faction fleets and that won't change

you're not in a position to make use of them without massively stunting performance and progress

[formal osprey]

what's so good abt faction fleets anyways

[tranquil niche]

nothing

[outer falcon]

Nothing

[formal osprey]

national pride i guess

[fallen badger]

continue to use what you have for the time being becasue you don't really have any options but really start working on getting other, better ships leveled

[sharp urchin]

(richy's buff did look so strong)

[outer falcon]

Its just slowing or sabotaging your progress

[inner orbit]

You know what's stronger? A better ship

[fallen badger]

people really overestimate the value of faction buffs

they don't magically turn a shit ship into a good one

[empty siren]

nothing good
it is more of a crippling
i think people want to challenge themsleves while doing so because the game is easy

[sharp urchin]

arknights

[empty siren]

what about arknights

[sharp urchin]

noone makes fraction teams there ig

[fallen badger]

anyway, read that and get your research focus priorites sorted

[sharp urchin]

currently on marco polo

[fallen badger]

you may as well stick to PR5 since you've invested so much there already

[sharp urchin]

?

[fallen badger]

get enough prints to Dev 30 Plymouth and then get back to PR4 pronto

[fallen badger]

research focus is what I mean here

[empty siren]

isn't it better to go back to the original routing from fdg anchorage ?

[sharp urchin]

umm switched to 3 rn cause i need some champgne guns

[fallen badger]

again, I'm talking about research focus selection

[fallen badger]

don't

get them from the prototyope shop or gear lab

never research focus

[sharp urchin]

?

i.....

[empty siren]

yeah don't focus anything under IV

[fallen badger]

PR1, 2 and 3
there's not point in doing research focus on them

[sharp urchin]

already switched right when breast reached 30

[fallen badger]

all the ships can be coined from those seasons and gear crafted in the gear lab

PR4, 5 and 6 can't

do you even know what research focus does?

[sharp urchin]

kinda?

ship blueprints and gear

[outer falcon]

That sounds like a no

[inner orbit]

If you have Brest dev30, how do you not have ply?

[fallen badger]

it gurantees at least 3/5 researches that show up per selection will be from that season

do you also know what happens when you max one ship in a season?

[sharp urchin]

no...

[fallen badger]

their face researches get knocked from the pool until you max everyone in a season

[outer falcon]

Faction fleet happened

[sharp urchin]

fate?

[fallen badger]

making it easier to max the rest of the ships in the season because only their face researches will show up

[sharp urchin]

....

[fallen badger]

you don't move on from one season to the next until you've maxed all the relevant ships for that reason

[sharp urchin]

i did fnish developing chkalov but....

not dev at all

[fallen badger]

so go back to PR5 research focus asap

[sharp urchin]

. ok

just did

[fallen badger]

stay there until you get enough prints to Dev 30 Plymouth(513)

then go to PR4

[sharp urchin]

(How do i even build plymouth)

[fallen badger]

same way you unlocked Brest

but that's not a priority right now

[fallen badger]

you need to start reorgnazing your fleets ASAP

[sharp urchin]

unicorn...

lv 90

retrofitted

but dies fast in battle(ofc cause lv)

sovesky has ap gun rn

but lyon seemes stronger

[fallen badger]

Mob: Richelieu, Unicorn, Painleve, Saint Louis, Triomphant, Laffey 2
Boss: Soyuz, Alsace, Enterprise, Brest, Helena, Jeanne d'Arc

[sharp urchin]

lv125 oath ofc

[fallen badger]

that's what you'll be aiming for in the time being

[outer falcon]

Thats a cope overload

[fallen badger]

do you know what exactly level advanatge does

[sharp urchin]

stronger bast stats?

[fallen badger]

more than just that

for every level your ship has over the enemy, they deal 2% more damage to said enemies and take 2% less damage from said enemies

up to a cap of 50%

[sharp urchin]

oh

[fallen badger]

so tell me, does it seem in anyway fair to compare a 125 Lyon to a lvl 87 Soyuz

[sharp urchin]

ofc no

[fallen badger]

exactly

[sharp urchin]

plus oath

12% buff

[fallen badger]

no

it's 6%

6% comes from 100 affinity

[sharp urchin]

200 affinity

[fallen badger]

3% from oathing, and the least 3% from 200 affinity

that's irrelevant though

oathing is nothing compared to the massive level disparity

[sharp urchin]

just scrap lyon 4 now?

[fallen badger]

no

[sharp urchin]

cuase like my only ap ship for harder stages is her

[fallen badger]

you know you can just swap gear between ships right?

[sharp urchin]

yes.

[fallen badger]

and what gear you equip is dictated by the content and not the ship itself

[sharp urchin]

yes

[fallen badger]

anyway, that's a very short term fleet you'll be aiming for

[sharp urchin]

that seeemes a little too lighj focoused?

[fallen badger]

how exactly

[sharp urchin]

mob fleet seemed light armor only

[fallen badger]

how is it light armor only

[sharp urchin]

riche, painleve, uni

i dont think 1 ap rocket is doing anything?

[fallen badger]

how are Richelieu, Unicorn, and Painleve light armor focused

[sharp urchin]

rich's HE skill

[fallen badger]

okay

[sharp urchin]

painleve. (healer?)

[fallen badger]

that gives her a step up against light

but does that mean she's incapable against heavy?

[orchid light]

a bad one (at healing). a lot of choices here are bad

[fallen badger]

you're starting to see the flaws in your logic here hopefully

[sharp urchin]

not as effective as any other ap ship ig (lyon in my case)

[sharp urchin]

unless i put a ap gun on her

[orchid light]

lyon is utter trash

[sharp urchin]

but that would be...

[fallen badger]

you do know that enemies in Campaign up to W12 are mainly light and medium armor for a start right?

[sharp urchin]

weird?

[fallen badger]

2nd, if heavy armor is that relevant you can always use an AP gun Richelieu

[sharp urchin]

oh

[fallen badger]

this is a mob fleet bear in mind

it's not going to tackle bosses

that's what the boss fleet is for

[sharp urchin]

Helena Enterprise Alsace are all not at all leveled

(grammer ik)

[orchid light]

and you won't be able to level them if you insist on trash like lyon

[fallen badger]

that's why I said that's what you're aiming for

get them leveled in W12

get 12-1 down to safe

[sharp urchin]

wouldn't they die right away

[fallen badger]

have you tried getting the map down to safe first

[orchid light]

if you used unicorn they won't. if you used good ships they won't

[sharp urchin]

boss fleet doesnt have uni

im not worried about mob fleet

just enty and als in boss fleet

[fallen badger]

do you know how exactly you're supposed to level ships in W12?

[orchid light]

you know it takes like 2 years to raise a ship in boss fleet only?

[sharp urchin]

no....

[fallen badger]

you take what ships you need to level, stick in the fleet that's gonna clear the mobs and start farming 12-1 repeatedly, over and over until they're leveled

[orchid light]

the efficient thing to do is to put ships you want to level in mob fleet. it's irrelevant how good they are or what their role is because by definition farming isn't hard. it's like trust farming in AK.

[sharp urchin]

o...

1 at a time?

[fallen badger]

no

at worst 5 at a time

5 plus Unicorn

[sharp urchin]

. i dont think any of my ship carry that good

[fallen badger]

eventually you'd wanna drop Unicorn and 6 at a time

[fallen badger]

have you actually seen how easy 12-1 is on safe?

[sharp urchin]

this is not 1-1 right?

[fallen badger]

like this was what I was using in 12-4 a while back

the ships you're leveling are much much better and you'll be an an easier map

[orchid light]

never

[sharp urchin]

1st problem would be raising them to 100

[fallen badger]

they don't need to be level 100

[orchid light]

L1 works but this is what xp books are for. 70 is plenty for unicorn to do the rest. they just can't ALL be 70

[fallen badger]

if they do for some reason need more levels that's what XP Packs are for

[sharp urchin]

not enogh

[orchid light]

you're not going to fix everything in 30 minutes

[sharp urchin]

(1 month mostly)

[orchid light]

has anyone even recommended anything yet?

so you're on 12-1? what fleets did you use?

[sharp urchin]

fraction fleet

iris

and then

[orchid light]

exact fleets

[regal lodge]

Yes cheeky did

[sharp urchin]

somrtimes soviet

[orchid light]

that's not going to kill 12-1 boss?

[sharp urchin]

richelieu, lyon, painleve, triomphant, st louis, jeanne d'arc for most of stuff

[orchid light]

you killed the boss with that? ok

[sharp urchin]

soyuz, volga, rossiya, kron, ognevoy, kuybyshev for some very ez fights

[sharp urchin]

yes

[orchid light]

Mob: Soyuz, Painleve, Unicorn, Brest, Kuybyshev, Kersaint. Put AvP in boss. If you actually put correct and decent gear on them they will not die.

[sharp urchin]

kersaint ???

[orchid light]

yes, you raised the wrong ships and have no xp books. better to do something than nothing at all

you'll swap her out soon enough. like when you're confident you can put volga in instead of painleve and Soyuz is carrying the dps.

[sharp urchin]

is this for leveling?

[orchid light]

yes

[sharp urchin]

just Unicorn ?

[orchid light]

what do you mean?

soyuz, unicorn, kuyby are all underleveled

[sharp urchin]

cause i'm kinda already using soyuz and kuyby for mob

[orchid light]

AvP underleveled also but she's safe enough in boss

[orchid light]

bad gear again

[sharp urchin]

...>?

first

[fallen badger]

it could be a lot worse

[orchid light]

like brest

[sharp urchin]

brest why

thought thats an average cb gear?

[orchid light]

it could

[fallen badger]

CBs on average don't use VH plating

they rarely if ever do

[sharp urchin]

instead they use?

radar?

[orchid light]

bad for brest. you kinda of have the same issue with avp. you didn't read their skills. brest wants a french gear. avp wants an Iron blood plane.

[fallen badger]

a 2nd evasion aux preferably but a toolbox works fine

French gear is somewhat inconsequential for brest

[sharp urchin]

i had brest in a fraction fleet so back then it wasnt a problem

plus

[fallen badger]

especially seeing as I doubt they have good options to proc it anyway

[sharp urchin]

breast gun is not the best cb gun

[fallen badger]

AvP, more substantial but again I do rather doubt they have any good options for actually proccing

[sharp urchin]

unless i use a bf

[fallen badger]

which for campaign you shouldn't

but drop that Su-2 on her for a helldiver

[sharp urchin]

alr

[sharp urchin]

tbh i had too much pr5 gear so i decided to use them

[orchid light]

well let us know how it works out or if you need further tweaking

[formal osprey]

thanks

[sharp urchin]

fnished august

should i start pr 7 or

plymoth

[empty siren]

did u finish all the ships in the pr4 ?

[sharp urchin]

no

2 of the pr 5

[empty siren]

how many tenrais do u have ?

[sharp urchin]

?

[empty siren]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Nakajima_J5N_Tenrai_(Dive_Bomber_Prototype)

[sharp urchin]

oh

like 0

[empty siren]

jumping to pr7 is like skipping steps at this point

how many BF 109 / saiun do u have ?
check ur depot prints

[sharp urchin]

2 bf

1saiun

[empty siren]

u are still not done from pr4
unless u have some massive need to any other series for some reason i wouldn't move the focus from IV at this level

[sharp urchin]

newest builds so far

[sharp urchin]

my main team

[orchid light]

main team for what? ops mob? it's pretty sus whatever it's for. and fritz looks geared so what's the problem?

[sharp urchin]

i do not want to repair all ship every mini boss in stronghold

[orchid light]

then don't use painleve

[sharp urchin]

heal

[orchid light]

or gz. you can't take low level junk to stronghold and expect to live

[orchid light]

unicorn is a heal. perseus is a heal. painleve is...clearly not a heal

[sharp urchin]

one of the big 5 healer?

[orchid light]

5? there's only 2

ok 3.

[sharp urchin]

volga, aquila, painleve, and brits

[orchid light]

no.

klaudia valentz

[fallen badger]

Painleve isn't in the convo

[sharp urchin]

?

[orchid light]

big anything is just some arbitrary designation but clearly the preloaded healers are in a different league from all the rest. And the only 3 preloaded healers are unicorn, perseus, and klaudia valentz

don't ignore the 5

look if painleve was a healer like you claim then you wouldn't be dying in stronghold...