so why should i build then?

[wary locust]

the point is you shouldn't be just be building blindly

[uncut trench]

then why did i waste cubes on the event when the ships are bad?

[wary locust]

how would I know? I wouldn't think anyone asked you to build with cubes

[uncut trench]

should i even waste the 8k points on seydlitz then?

[wide geode]

Free ship

[wary locust]

the points are probably better spent on prints and gear boxes first than Seydlitz

[uncut trench]

so i buy the boxes now?

got 10k points

[wary locust]

PR and DR prints first

[uncut trench]

should i give the dr to fdg or ägir?

[wary locust]

Agir, because FdG you can enhance with coins

[uncut trench]

see, thats clear advice i can follow

[frosty pendant]

oh a new thread already
i wonder how many he has opened so far

[wary locust]

the reason you keep getting told your can't use your PR ships is because you have the whole priority wrong

[frosty pendant]

so is this about beating ch11 or a stronghold ?

[wary locust]

neither, I'm tackling one thing at a time as it crops up as far as I can tell

[frosty pendant]

man is hitting so many deadends at once

campaign event opsi and meta

[paper lantern]

@uncut trench how do you know you cannot do any more pr4

[wary locust]

he's already dev'd the ships or not have enough tech for them

[uncut trench]

not enough tech points

[frosty pendant]

yeah mostly he left haku and marco

[uncut trench]

yes

[paper lantern]

ok that can be fixed

[uncut trench]

how?

[wary locust]

his problem is not needing to unlock more PR ships, he needs to fix his entire account economy first, then he can start doing researches properly

[paper lantern]

yeah but let me explain why

[wary locust]

he doesn't need to unlock another PR4 ship that he doesn't have prints for

[frosty pendant]

he is like someone who wants to swim and doesn't want to learn how to

[paper lantern]

so have they explained fleet tech to you already?

its basically points you get for unlocking and upgrading ships

[wary locust]

it's not like he can spare the resources to unlock tech now

[paper lantern]

yes

[wary locust]

so we deal with things one thing at a time

[paper lantern]

so you should work on getting more resources
that will fix fleet tech
that will fix the research locks

does that make sense @uncut trench ?

[wary locust]

or he'll just go building ships and LBing them willy nilly and brick himself again

[paper lantern]

true

[wary locust]

which is why I'm only tackling things very specifically when he comes by with it

[paper lantern]

im not trying to step on your toes i just want to illustrate how the elements fit together

[frosty pendant]

afaik he only has 1 functional fleet in 3 years of playtime right ?

[uncut trench]

uhh im not sure

[wary locust]

I spent a whole week telling him to just wait for his fleet to improve before trying strongholds and arbiter and he went on to do it anyway with 10 re-entries

[paper lantern]

fixing your economy will allow you to level up ships
doing this will unlock the other blueprint ships

[uncut trench]

im getting mixed signals again

one guy says dont do any more shipyard ships and the next guy says do more

[paper lantern]

no im not

im just saying basically just fix your economy and the rest will take care of itself

no need to worry about it

[uncut trench]

what do i need to fix?

[frosty pendant]

no
i replied to u earlier about the pr4 because u were thinking about pr6 ships

so u are kinda jumping steps

[paper lantern]

more resources, the stuff theyve been shouting at you with

its like a house, you start from the bottom and build up

youve basically just done one wall of a house the entire time and we need the other four before we can put the roof on

other three

forgot how many walls a house has

[frosty pendant]

also a house needs a baseline too

[paper lantern]

yeah so gameplay help is asking you to focus on the floor, but its kind of confusing because you're asking about doors and windows and stuff, we just want the floor rn

[frosty pendant]

also the will to learn is important

[paper lantern]

and also im always happy to explain what something is, but for whys and hows im not really equipped to do that

i'm honestly just here because i havent caught up on the lore so my usual hangout spot is somewhat inaccessible (plus i also want to do better at the game)

@uncut trench PC metaphor since i notice you're in the buildapc reddit

it's like asking "why is my computer doing this" "why is my computer doing that" "why is my computer doing this third thing" and the answer for all three is just that you need to upgrade your CPU

you can't do all the extra fancy things if the underlying structure isn't up to it

[frosty pendant]

this is from one of his multiple threads

[paper lantern]

yeah so dont do that ofc

but yeah i do have to go now, i really am rooting for you berke, best of luck

[frosty pendant]

this seems like the fleet he was suggested to use
most likely by cheeky
#1248981465291689994 message
since he has the most patience

[wary locust]

that was 2 weeks ago, it's a little different now and he does have much better gear to work with after about a week of actually doing dailies

[paper lantern]

you love to see it

[wary locust]

I've been here almost every bloody night thanks

[paper lantern]

sainthood for you

(for the record i do often shut up when instructed to, feel free to tell me if im causing issues)

[crimson crest]

How do u know he's in the buildapc reddit

[paper lantern]

mutual servers

we do a modicum of research

for example, i can see you're in the D2 LFG server

just wanted to find a good metaphor

[crimson crest]

[paper lantern]

the power of discord server hoarding

[crimson crest]

I think he's just a goofy guy he just deleted most of his gear lol

[wary locust]

he's just someone who didn't/can't read the fucking manual and decided to play things his own way, which turned out to be really awful but somehow he maanged to not quit for 4 years

[crimson crest]

Everyone has their own way of playing ig

[wary locust]

I mean if he was fine with mucking around that way that's fine, but he's come to gph asking, so we're fixing those problems

[cursive narwhal]

what ? 4 years ?

[frosty pendant]

imo if someone wants to play his own way he should stop asking for advice on everything
i think he is really trying to learn but he is slow af that is it

also gacha games tend to be easily overwhelming because of the amount of data that the player need to assimilate in order to react to its mechanic

[wary locust]

he's been playing for 4 years, without doing daily raids and probably an insane assortment of other mistakes

[frosty pendant]

that is also a huge factor for slow learning players

[wary locust]

which is why I'm giving only very immediate and specific instructions as much as possible

[frosty pendant]

yeah taking small steps each time and climb the ladder step by step

[crimson crest]

I feel like azur lane in particular has a lot of stuff isn't explained well at least compared to hoyo gacha games

[cursive narwhal]

like command to walk become lift ur left leg , move it forward , put it down , lift ur right leg , move it forward , put it down and repeat ?

[wary locust]

a lot of it is explained in the [?] and [i] tooltips if you read, and there's also a lot of resources on wiki, ecgc and gph, but needing to actually read and comprehend that

[frosty pendant]

also discord

[frosty pendant]

it is literally that
teaching a baby how to walk

[wary locust]

gph is discord but yeh

[frosty pendant]

oh i didn't see that

[crimson crest]

It feels like information is generally less accessible than some other gacha games because it requires external research

But if you're in this discord it's pretty easy to get an answer

[wary locust]

well there's actually enough info in the game itself if you read

the guided tutorial doesn't help enough and it's in a format players tend to just tap through and forget

[crimson crest]

Presenting the information to the player like a manual they have to read does make it more forgettable

[wary locust]

even the tutorial

ask how many players even remember about gear crafting a week into the game

[frosty pendant]

also comparing azure lane which kinda simulates actual warships with mihoyo games that doesn't have any reality in it is kinda not fair

[wary locust]

it's literally one of the first 5 things the game puts you through in the tutorial

[crimson crest]

But even if they do read it it's easy to get confused. Like they explained how to play project TB but they never explained how it relates to the actual game

Other than getting a secretary

[frosty pendant]

the tutorial in AL should be a 2h lecture about the hull types and weapons

[wary locust]

that's an entirely different problem

[cursive narwhal]

i wont play AL if the tutorial is 2h lecture about that lol

that too much for newbie

[wary locust]

a lot of the basic things the game does mildly walk you through but you'll forget it in the next 2 days

crafting for example you get taught how to craft in depot, but you won't be going back there and crafting for the next few days and you don't craft anything useful

[frosty pendant]

the power of the auto button ?

[wary locust]

so people have no idea about gear print drops and how depot crafting works

[frosty pendant]

yeah and opens another game mechanic which is research

[wary locust]

the game also walks you into the cattery but the system is convoluted with no followthrough so you forget about it in a day

[crimson crest]

Yeah the game preloads a lot of information that isn't relevant immediately so you forget it and if you want to understand it you have to find a guide

[frosty pendant]

so u tell me in mihoyo games players don't do their researches before deciding on pulling on a character ?

[crimson crest]

Dude there are so many features that feel like they need to be removed or fixed or something. Like the cattery, project TB feels like sidequest, the arcade just sits there

[frosty pendant]

i m sure even if the games there are more simplistic and straightforward people will not decide on spending their gacha resources based on what they read on the surface without actual testing especially the f2p portion

[wary locust]

project TB can just skip, it's a side thing if you like TB

cattery is something you can actually work on to improve your fleet, it's just frustrating to work with

[frosty pendant]

yeah i m sure we are here because of the core game mechanic understanding

[crimson crest]

The difference is that azur lane's general game mechanic information is hard to digest whereas research into specific characters is up to the player ykwim

[wary locust]

anyway gonna drop

[frosty pendant]

yeah because it is an actual fight with weapons so someone needs to have some basics about how ships fight

[crimson crest]

Gl with Berke

[frosty pendant]

we grew up playing so many RPG that mihoyo games didn't innovate anything in it TBH

that is why u find them easier

while AL brought an entire different domain

[crimson crest]

I mean for me FGO was easier to understand and they have a whole class weakness system

[frosty pendant]

FGO is a classic RPG so it fits to how most of us were raised by

[crimson crest]

That's true

[frosty pendant]

but in the end someone needs to be having the will to learn
whether it is a simple mainstream or a niche sophisticated game if they want to continue playing it

[crimson crest]

Preach 🙏

And learning complicated mechanics can be fun too it's just more confusing

[frosty pendant]

yeah that is what we call learning curve
imagine wanting to play poe as mathil in a year of playtime

[crimson crest]

Never played it but ik what ur getting at