siren stronghold

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a

thats thw current comp

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just 4 ships?

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so many small gearing mistakes yikes

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also i feel like youre kinda dead

[stoic harbor]

i vould throw this one on?

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also rip gold plates

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ummm waiting for daily regroup

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you know you can just leave, heal in port and come back for strongholds right

and loose no progress

[stoic harbor]

huh no... 1st stronghold

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either way doesn't change the really questionable gearing choices though

also what even are your adapt levels

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yea

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low

lemme check

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well that's certainly not helping

also usual disclaimer faction fleets are suboptimal

[bronze forge]

oof

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that's basically none

[stoic harbor]

ik...

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if you want to clear without having to heal every 5 minutes wait to get more adpats

[stoic harbor]

clear lower lv stage and grind?

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more or less

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also

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also read sam's gear guide in #bot-spam /equip

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gear recomm

nvm

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main issues are Richeliee using an SG radar, Saint Louis, using an autoloader, Painleve using an Su-2, Jeanne d'Arc not using a rudder

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smth like this is better than your current gear, whos the last backline ship you intend to use?

[stoic harbor]

huh?

triomphant

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main fleet

[bronze forge]

le trash is vanguard

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you only sent in 5 ships

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triomphant is not a main fleet ship

[stoic harbor]

oh bruh mb

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and also worse than your current vanguard

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do you really not have any better options than Lyon

[stoic harbor]

brest jeanne d arc saint louis

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lyon is t5...

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alsas not mlb, champne not fully done with blueprint

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faction fleeting is not helping

[bronze forge]

do you not have non french ships

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Clemenceau

even Jean Bart would be better

[stoic harbor]

ummm not really helpful ship except for ...

[stoic harbor]

gear not maxed.

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rip it off someone else then

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why dont you take a screenshot of your available main fleet ships

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like Lyon

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and +10 gear is pretty cheap

you dont need upgrades past +10 for most content

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alr

terrible resource usage ik

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a lotta questionable stuff

Unicorn not being 120 chief among them

I get using your favorites and what not

but you do want to level the good stuff for when you really need them

like later OpSi bosses and campaign stages

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if you really want french fleet probably slot in your jean bart (after she's lv120), ideally youd drop painleve for unicorn as well

[bronze forge]

uni becomes french but yes she is way better than painleve

[stoic harbor]

i see....

i was looking

at these updates

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yea, game is pretty hard on you once you start on the difficult stuff
most of the ships i like are rarely used

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i thought angels feather would save painleve

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it doesn't

at all

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breguet is probably worth it once you got your other priorities done, the feather is pvp only iirc

[bronze forge]

+some bosses have convert heals to damage or heals bosses instead mods so no

[gleaming void]

Cv ded in pvp since laffi

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uh....ahhhhh

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feather is completely worthless then

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it's an option on Painleve if you use her in W14 or W15

that's pretty much it

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um...ok i think i jave enough type1ap and superheavy? what should i pri

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well how many is "enough"

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3x shells > independence > homing beacon = elite manjuu > everything else

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you want at least 3 pairs of black and white shells

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also would yall think fleet 2 helps?

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uh, yes

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like for every bb i ever use

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quite a bit

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insert another faction fleet bad bad disclaimer here

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okay so heres the thing, faction fleet kinda doesnt work past w13, and if you really force it they just become rng clears instead

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ummm my subs are IXs i sont use missle DD i have 2 homing beacon, plate for every CB so just inde?

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if you pick the right factions it's not too bad for up to W14 but you;re just brute forcing it at that point

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no to the VH plate but do get Independence

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no, vh plate isn't always good on cb, and ix as your subs are terrible choice

ix die too fast to do any meaningful dmg

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did you mention that you can make really good faction fleets if you disregard the idea of factions entirely?

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good point as well

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which part do you not understand? i can try to make it simpler for you

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so. im planning to build a team of sms(not like rn after sov first)

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and should i stop building this for now?

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my honest recommendation would be to stop building faction fleets

I would be happy to give you an entire lecture explaining why they're bad no matter how you look at it

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i feel like you just completely disregarded the part where we said faction fleet kinda dont work well

[brisk oyster]

id rather just disregard factions when building faction fleets

like if i disregard unicorn being hms and independence being uss and musashi being ijn then ive got a really good faction fleet right there

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also for like fleetpower just (NJ INDE UNI GUAM LAFI idk whats the 3rd vangard)

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just continue tbh, youve already invested the bulin and most of them are decent/good ship

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fleet power is an absolutely useless metric for determining the strength of a fleet

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alr.

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i mean like actual not the stats

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again, discalimer that faction fleets are suboptimal

for what what content exactly

and no general is not a thing

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i dont plan on doing a lot of mainline so opsi?

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where are you in the main campaign out of curiosity

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10-4

11-1

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please at least push to W12

it's a much better farming spot than W11

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farm for.

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for both coins, cog chips, and leveling ships

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oh

like for leveling how(dont they just die)

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W12 is less restrictive in what you can run because there are no suicide boats

and no BBs that can just one shot a main fleet

so it's a lot easier to drag weaker ships through

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my AA sucks though (like really, french aa and soviet aa)

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just use Good aa Guns

faction also doesn't determine how good a ship's AA is

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113 is best i have?

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it's the most braindead option for W12

[stoic harbor]

?

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it's simple to set up because you just toss twin 113mm on all your vanguards

and you still kill a lot of enemy planes

[stoic harbor]

no.

they fly through

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you haven't actually even seen W12 though

let alone on safe

[stoic harbor]

in opsi even 11-1

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planes in OpSi are not the same as those in W12

OpSi planes are stupidly tanky

and you're also fighting with practically no adapts

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actually i think my aa is ok for 11-2 just tested