need help understanding how to build optimal fleets (endgame, lv125)

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hello

to sort rarity is it better to remove all my fleets?

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doesn't really matter

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ok

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so what do you need fleets for again?

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so again main questions were like, if to spend BPs on haku fate sim 5 (shes halfway dev29), or to dev30 plymouth; i have like 140 bps and plymouth needs 278, and im 2/3rd of the CL gun

then i did some opsi teams but im still at the beginning where stuff is like lv90 max

so i had these for mob/light-medium/heavy

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so for OpSi

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and i need to clear ch14 i guess

i didnt try but i had difficulty in ch13

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Mob: Unicorn plus 5
BB Boss: Musashi, UvH, New Jersey, Agir, Helena
CV Boss: Yorktown 2, Enterprises, AvP, Guam, Kazagumo, Sirius
4th fleet: leftover boss fleet

that's what you'll want to aim for in the near future

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as for this, I'd rather just save them for Plymouth

you'll want to stay in PR4 until you have 2 tenrais

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unicorn and 5 random ships?

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not necessarily

still competently built obviously but it's more felxible in what you run

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im 8/50 for 2nd one i can buy 22/34 more blueprints in shop

whats shinano haku good into exactly, since i know yk2 enterprise is for light/medium depending on what planes you put

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anyway, for W14

it'll be something like
Mob: FDG, Unicorn, Klaudia, Drake, Yuudachi, Laffey 2
Boss: Musashi, Yorktown 2, Enterprise, Guam, San Francisco?, Agir

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Shinano and Hakuryu are competent on light, good on medium, and best on heavy armor

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is the boss stationary? for w14

i have this for planes

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no

gimme a sec for gear

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i can send all of them if u want, for the other fleets too

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gear should look something like that for W14

yes, some of this is from the gear lab

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i dont think i have the AP gun for musashi

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you don't?

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not the gold one

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and you don't have Blueprints for it?

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no I mean actual gear prints since it was farmable from D3 of her event

ah well

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you'll want to get it eventually for her but it's lower on the priority list

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yeah i started on her event so prob didnt do D3

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use the Twin 410mm Kai on her instead until then

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is that much better than normal twin 410mm

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no

but's it's also very cheap

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idk sounds like a waste if ill just craft it into gold one later

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you get 100% of the plates back even if you do

and it'll still be used even when you get the Triple 410mm

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i see

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so from this, what can i use to sub the rainbow table, the fighters

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use a Fire Control Radar instead of a table om FDG

as for the fighters

you could use F6Fs instead

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pirate squad?

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but you'll at the very least want the 155 kais for your BBs

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if you have them already sure

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i have 2

use both on mob fleet?

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boss fleet

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i only have the normal 155 ones

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yeah you need the Kais form the gear lab

those are basically manadatory

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so ill need to reach a point where i get the gold craft materials in opsi

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yes

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alr so then on my Opsi fleets gear

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where can i build a fleet like that

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https://renhex.github.io/alft/46

follow that for the CVs

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its downloading 1400 images

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https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

that's the site

for BBs

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oh yeah i also tried to do the timing for my yk2 enterprise AvP fleet for helena but it didnt work

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actually scratch one thing

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getting this is a higher priority

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is the UR musashi gun that bad lol

i only saw it reccomended on ulrich

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it is very situational

use a champaign gun on Musashi for now I guess

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is this one worse than the one in the image

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that's for light armor

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no, it's a sidegrade

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i dont have the UR triple 406mm

but also why that on musashi

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use an Mk6 on Ulrich then

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if i dont have ju-87 i put ryusei on AvP?

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probably

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this one is for medium armor boss?

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yes

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this is what i used but i dont remember the airstrike lining up

ill need to calc it again real quick

since i didnt understand how to put yk2 buff in it

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well for a start

Enterprise is faster than Yorktown 2

and the latter's skill you're guaranteeing the will desync

just ensure Enterprise is a bit slower than Yorktown 2

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with the manjuu?

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no

easiest way is to swap the Tenrai and Skyraider around

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enterprise
Airstrike First Cooldown: 25.32s
Approximate Strike Timers: 25.32, 49.14, 72.96,

yk2
Airstrike Cooldown: 22.60s
Airstrike First Cooldown: 24.10s
Approximate Strike Timers: 24.10, 46.70, 69.30,

i have this on AvP
Airstrike First Cooldown: 25.17s
Approximate Strike Timers: 25.17, 48.84, 72.51

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without yk2 cooldown thing since idk how it works

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like I said

just make sure Enterprise is slower than Yorktown 2

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yeah she is, but i dont think it lines up with AvP no?

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and Yorktown 2's skill ensures Enterprise Launches right after

you're also not factoring in AvP's 12% reload buff are you

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maybe i forgot what her skills do

ok shes like this then
Airstrike First Cooldown: 24.42s
Approximate Strike Timers: 24.42, 47.34, 70.27

and i upgrade Kazagumo and Sirius

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Ryussei on AvP is fine in the short term

but to really make things sink AvP wants a Ju-87d

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ill craft it when i can

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also use a Helldiver instead the Su2 for AvP's dive bomber

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yeah those were with helldiver

well if i use independence in mob fleet i need to account this too

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kinda

but all that does is make your sync tighter

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https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/?AFLD=No4BgXQGnbb4BGMB2ATGgnFRKDMALGFGgByJEkBsVaxFlD9qYidUARCqQIZ-8coBOHSpg82XIWKkArLLHUx9Ao1XMUrdl178%2Bg4TGSYwp9lMpkKxK5VKZZ7e7NM4WbYjr36hEaIgRYGEhgvxgkVGR6FHUoCWkcGLVkjS1Pbm8eAzhkTUVcWMRMPFc8UjQUnEL3bQzvbJgCTBNFAhREfMxrOPLKpjdNDHTdPWz-QJCg%2BHCmk3MCBLwMSxp2ZRw0fLAxD0460d8jMBNTEqECOhs0bs3aYnW2LaJhzIbgEtkouIXS5ZsaVzrO5uHa1EYCXzjcJTSaQBDIT6aKouehsFbAoHmbZpPbgnyGYBYObELqmK43VbMRTA5Cgl71Q7AIguM6ECrEJbspSAwFYum416QnB%2BACEYAAdKgRQQePgAKayADGQA

i can do this for opsi currently i think

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looks fine

just consolidate into the one BB fleet I reccomended earlier when NJ is leveled

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have to finish leveling independence but i can prob use someone else until i reach harder levels

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the harder is heavy armor bosses right?

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arbiter is heavy armor this month yes

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which is why put the stronger ones on AP shells

i need to get the musashi AP gun to build towards that

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Musashi without her AP gun or even FDG is better than Monarch

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i see

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you also need to get more Champaign guns

because that's not gonna remain synced

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what are those ones

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the gun you have on Monarch

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i can craft another one to have 2

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yes do that

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you want all of them on the same gun to sync?

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kinda

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so in a main fleet of NJ FDG ulrich which ideally holds what

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in this case you're just syncing to Helena which the 457 doesn't do very well

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i see so ill put helena in the heavy fleet

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but in future you will most likely run BBs with debuffs and buffs that you'll also want to sync to for which using Champaign guns and it's sidegrades is still preferable than the 457

yes

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so on the last thing i need some advice on

the shinano haku fleet, i dont have implacable but will get her when she reruns, do i have to build another stopper in the meantime? if i invest into shinano over say Alsace

since im missing another UR BB to fill monarch/patricia slot Alsace/Vanguard on rerun would be good to pick up/upgrade?

over shinano fleet

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okay so first off

don't get too caught with investing in that 2nd BB fleet

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the HE one?

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your goal first and foremost is to imrove upon and get the most of of your BB and CV fleet

and don't get too caught up with designating a fleet for medium, light, or heavy

any fleet can change do that by swapping gear around

anyway

when you do get Shinano and Hakuryu maxed

you'll probably end up leveling Ark Royal and use her for that fleet

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can i not ball around enough with yk2/BB fleets until implacable reruns?

to farm at least enough for gear lab

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well....

considering that Implacable probably won't rerun until next year

and probably the latter half of next year at that

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mhhhh

i can definitely spare building a retrofit in that time

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but can you explain this better pls

the most in like what terms

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to put into a bit more laymens terms

if you did MLB Alsace

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is having multiple good fleets not the goal

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it is

but you'll get better value out of cocentrating on getting 2 really good fleets going

than 3 somewhat questionable ones

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so like when you do that, Alsace would actually replace NJ in the main BB fleet

and NJ would get demoted to the secondary BB fleet or mobbing

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i think i get the idea, but i have no clue who is better than who for the primary BB/CV fleet since at least on the tier list they are all put on the same tier

i think my "should i get vanguard on rerun" closely links to this

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well Alsace to start is better than NJ

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are there some roles or something, like alsace has a better debuff than nj but also deals more personal dmg or nah?

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not sure how personal damage compares off the top of my head exactly

but overall she contributes more damage to the fleet than NJ

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im seeing more recent BBs just have debuffs on them

nj is 5% increase in dmg while musashi can be 10%, vanguard/soyuz is 8%

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Vanguard is 18%

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so new BBs everyone act as an amplifier, but isnt one more focused on supporting than the others hence one spot in the BB fleet is for someone like that?

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ah

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im just trying to understand whos better at what and if its useful for that fleet, to build towards upgrading it

since i dont get still if vanguard is an improvemenet to the 1st BB fleet or not

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she will be

she would replace UvH

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so what would my best fleet be with vanguard

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Musashi, Alsace, Vanguard

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do i still build alsace?

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yes

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over finishing a shinano fleet with dev30 haku for now

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I don't think I'd go that far

Shinano first then Alsace

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idk if i can finish shinano then have spare for vanguard when she comes

but thanks it cleared it up a bit

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well Vanguard probably won't be for another few months at least

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yeah i have basically 3 bulins now

4 from the battle pass

for gear lab priority i think i have it pretty clear, from what you also suggested now; the musashi AP gun>155 kai for golds, and wyvern for UR

but why on the tier list it calls 155 kai like niche and its put under the normal one

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because it's only better than the regular 155 as an aux in W14

W14 has some incredibly beefy suicide boats which favor the 155 kai

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i see

i need like at least 2 of them?

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just 2

one for FDG and one for Musashi

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ok ok, ill work towards that, the CV stuff (independence, kazagumo, sirius, ark royal) and shinano right now; it really cleared up the doubts i had so thanks for your time