Perfect OPSI fleets

[serene nova]

let's theoretically say we have all ships in the game what would be perfect team for every team role umi no neko already did some relative startpoint with their message
if u got every ship in the game then just
mob : uni + 2 cvs + tank + 2 dmg
bb boss : 3ur bb - aegir hind ply
cv boss : shin haku implac - guam kaza sirius
last fleet : remaining xfleets
so let's work with it

[native maple]

top 3 ur bb would be a pick of 3 from bismarck zwei, soyuz, vanguard, musashi

if you got all you can ditch sushi to crossfleet since her performance from the above 4 will drop on light

[serene nova]

for your shinano percy akamu comment as mob fleet I would say shinano will probably be rather in boss fleet that's my take

[native maple]

sure

my fleets are kinda meme and im not recommending them

anyway for mob like i said u can pair uni with indep and aquila and for vanguard u can use a combination of strong vanguards like cb as tank, unzen, ddg, harbin, shima, laffey 2

[serene nova]

laffey as tank?

[native maple]

laffey 2 can tank yeap

[serene nova]

i mean I know but shouldn't she be rather off tank and dmg then main tank?

[native maple]

prob all opsi content except strength(mby strength aswell), but strength hard to tank

if she survives then she does the same dmg(~) from main tank vs mid or offtank

[serene nova]

that's taking to consideration she survives multiple - all arenas of opsi without going to heal

[native maple]

uni will heal her

and she will survive, laffey 2 is very durable

[serene nova]

idk why but from my experience the 200point cost strongholds never left my mob fleet alive even tho I had retro uni

point taken I never used laffey there

[native maple]

well gearing is important aswell

the faster stuff dies the less dmg u take

if ure running 3cvs mob ull want to run rocket planes for their fighter slots so they can deal with minibosses better

[serene nova]

I think we will touch gearing as last part of topic first build the fleets lol

[native maple]

is there anything left for fleetbuilding ?

[serene nova]

i'll put fleet builder screenshots here as we progress

comunity tier list is not putting unzen in if I filter it for tank

[heavy trellis]

Tank tierlist use MebotChart

[native maple]

https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/ u can use this site aswell

without enforced restrictions

[serene nova]

where do I find this thing?

[heavy trellis]

I think the best mob fleet you can build is:

3 UR BB, Brest, Laffii, Guam

heheheh

[heavy trellis]

https://nagami.moe/ehp

[:

[serene nova]

I mean you are not wrong the thing is we need to work with opsi fleet standard so we are building 4 fleets all together

[heavy trellis]

Ah, replace Guam with Kron, perhaps.

Brest is sufficient for healing in OpSi, that you can drop Unicorn altogether.

So use the next 3 UR BB's to get dakka.

[thick falcon]

I mean it's basically something like that

I tend to swap ships around each month but that's the gist of it

[serene nova]

musashi in mob fleet?

[heavy trellis]

W15posting

[thick falcon]

I mean yeah

Soyuz, Zwei, Vanguard is overall more flexible

[serene nova]

we are still talking about mob fleet right?

because it's kind of surprising to not put healer in main fleet

[thick falcon]

Unicorn is right there...

[serene nova]

I was talking about this but now when I think about it it's probably ap fleet

[native maple]

its any fleet, you can just swap their champy/soyuz guns to mk6/mk7

[heavy trellis]

Healer in Vanguard tho

[serene nova]

yeah true but for some reason for my brain healers are just uni percy and riyu since there is not that many vanguard healers lol

[heavy trellis]

Brest was BIG

for this development.

You should try! A run with 3 Damage backline and Brest in the front.

[serene nova]

is it better then having uni for mobbing?

[heavy trellis]

She heals less than uni, objectively.

My mob fleet is currently Musashi, FDG, NJ - Agir Brest Kron.

And enemies simply don't deal enough damage.

[serene nova]

so far we are on this tell me anything to change

[heavy trellis]

[serene nova]

we need to think about BB fleet as well

[thick falcon]

I prefer an actual tank myself personally

but that should be fine

[heavy trellis]

I am willing to call Laffey II an actual tank.

[native maple]

laffey 2

[serene nova]

so we actually putting laffey as tank ok sure then

[thick falcon]

yeah but I'd also prefer to have Laffey 2 in one of the CV fleets

[heavy trellis]

She's about 1.3 PortlandKai's in terms of "not die," which is

[serene nova]

cv fleet is gonna have both buffers in form of kazagumo and sirius and as tank probably guam like umi said before

so far for cv and mob fleets

[heavy trellis]

You should replace Implacable with Shoukaku

[serene nova]

shokaku won't be in that fleet without zuikaku

[heavy trellis]

Shoukaku is there to make Shinano and Haku even more GOATed.

Abandon slow

Embrace big number

[serene nova]

I mean I can do that if we really agree with it all together the thing is I don't think everyone agrees

[heavy trellis]

It's because

Renhex here is a slow abuser

I bet he uses Implacable, Formidable, Ark Royal - Agir, Chikuma, and Charles Ausburne

Just to mess with both allied and enemy speed

[native maple]

fyi implac and avp arent in my opsi fleets
but implac is an amazing support for cvs with great dmg herself and u should totally use her

[heavy trellis]

I forgot about avp

You should listen to Renhex tho, I only do numbers

[serene nova]

so far we are on this replace anything you like to replace so we can fix it also what is actually 4th fleet role in opsi I was thinking about HE bb fleet but the question is if that is actually needed

[native maple]

the 4th fleet role is to take finish what ur other 2 other fleets cant but with appropiate gears then u can just delegate it to crossfleet fleet to boost ur other fleets further

2 rainbow fleets is enough for all content in opsi as long as gear is decent

[thick falcon]

it's usually either cross fleets or antilight

aka Kearsarge, Yortkown 2 fleet

[native maple]

but if u want to have one then another option is the york2 kear avp - ancho helena aurora(on light)/laff2

[thick falcon]

if Helena is gonna be used at all I'd rather just stick her with the BBs at that point

[serene nova]

so which one will we go with then based on what I'm reading here isn't crossfleet always better?

[thick falcon]

no because at the end of the day they're marginal benefits

unless it's UvH for CV fleets

[serene nova]

so we are going with ''finishing'' fleet then?

[thick falcon]

it's completely personal prefference

[serene nova]

I'm hardly any fleet builder since I sux in it all together so anything you guys say is what we are going with

[serene nova]

my idea is making somehow ''perfect'' team for opsi

[native maple]

perfect depends on each, some ppl like to have specialized fleets for arbiter, some prefer to have static fleets that just work
up to u rly
if you dont wanna swap gear and stuff then do an anti light fleet like cheeky said and then ure keeping swapping to a minimum, basicly only bb main guns

[serene nova]

is there a way to make swaping completely dissapear?

[native maple]

if u can one shot arbiter with ur fleets

but that needs strong account

at the very least ull need high rld to bypass 20s arbiter mechanics

[serene nova]

I mean I can pretty much build anything and I am not lacking any ship except for ones that are in shops

[thick falcon]

perfect doesn't exist, at least if you want to look at things objectively

[native maple]

well strong account is a cumulation of ur ships, gear available, +13 upgraded gear, cats and tech bonuses and oaths to a degree

[serene nova]

i'll probably focus myself on getting every research reload ship to 120 now since I am slowly getting everyone to that lvl

okay let's say we are going with this in the end then replace anything you would like to replace so I can fix it and we can move to gearing

[thick falcon]

it's fine

[serene nova]

also what is the difference in strenght between those three sub fleets + tempesta fleet so far till now I always used wolf pack

[thick falcon]

not quite what I'd run but it works

Tempesta fleet is garbage, and marginal differences between the rest of the fleets

[serene nova]

so keeping it to wolfpack is fine?

[thick falcon]

yes

[serene nova]

I was always going with this

is that optimal or should I replace someone for 47

[thick falcon]

it's a minor difference

no need to bother

[serene nova]

okay then let's actually close the sub fleet is this good for gearing or should I put rainbow torp aux in or rainbow torp gear or rainbow gun?

[thick falcon]

that's good yes

[serene nova]

okay then sub fleet is locked for now If someone have objection we can get back to it let's move to gearing of other fleets

should I always prioretize wyvern over spearfish?

[thick falcon]

for what

[serene nova]

for everything

[thick falcon]

of course not

[serene nova]

I am thinking about the proper gear with help of gearing guide but my brain starts to hurt

for now I am gearing mob fleet

so far this is what I put in but I am bad at optimising

[thick falcon]

you don't need 57s for OpSi mobbing, use Staggs instead

you can also run FP AA guns instead on the vanguard

OpSi mobbing also uses Bf-109Gs/HVARs for mobbing instead of 2 x 1000 Ibs fighters mostly

[native maple]

u can run this on mobbing

[serene nova]

is quad magnetic better then rainbow quint? I have so many of rainbow ones that I can gear all 4 fleets with them

[thick falcon]

they're sidegrades

so it is a waste to craft that many UR Quints

[serene nova]

well I did something wrong all those years

I also though that sextuple is best for vanguard as aa and staag is best for main fleet i am surprised to see twin 113 there

[thick falcon]

AA isn't quite that simple and triple sextuple is pretty never the way to go

[serene nova]

does the unit order matter?

[native maple]

number 1 is flag/main tank

[serene nova]

since you have indep as flag and haran in save spot

[thick falcon]

the basic theory is that you have the ship with highest single best AA gun slot take the sextuple and equip the rest of the vanguards with 57s/Twin 90s assuming you're facing waves of planes

bearing in mind AA gun range and reload is averaged across the entire fleet

so you can imagine how equipping all your vanguards with a slow reloading and relatively short ranged AA gun isn't quite the best idea

[serene nova]

yeah I know that but is indep that important as flag? i though uni should be flag lol i'm really bad it seems

[native maple]

indep can be boosted by nj crossfleet but in rest doesnt matter for them no, harbin in mid is coz shes squishiest

[serene nova]

I see

[serene nova]

yeah I can see that

okay then we are going with this then

moving to cv fleet now

[native maple]

http://renhex.github.io/alft/46
has synced opsi loadouts for cv fleets
from top to bottom
Sakura heavy
sakura med
sakura light
eu implac med
eu avp med
eu implac light
eu avp light

[serene nova]

is it purposefully not equipped with augmented on all ships?

[native maple]

its just all scepter

coz its irrelevant to sync and eats url space

[serene nova]

IC also I guess not everything must be +13 since some of gears are also just +10

wait haku as flag?

shouldn't shinano be there?

[native maple]

either is fine, haku is slightly better due to siren killer boosted xfleets

doesnt make a big difference

[native maple]

i think the creator of the loadouts ( sushigummy ) got bored of setting the sliders but its safe to have all planes there in used loadouts to +13 except flapjacks, but i wouldnt advise +13 for multiple fleets unless u rly hate swapping

[serene nova]

I really hate swapping

[native maple]

the price of 1 swap / month could cost u multiple months of plates

[serene nova]

nah plates are farmable so they are not an issue

also why shouldn't flapjack be +13? just to save plates or is there other reason

[thick falcon]

the former

there are far better uses of gold plates than a +13 flapjack

[native maple]

i mean yea they are farmable but it takes alot of time, and new gear gets released so u never know when ull need em

[serene nova]

so far we are on this I edited lvls and oaths based on what I have/will have and also put all lvls of gear to max based also on either what I have or will get eventually

edit whatever you think would be better and I am moving to bb fleet now

[thick falcon]

drop the AA gun on Kazagumo and give her a Roomba as well, Kazagmo also wants Hammer for her augment

give Sirius a DD gun as well for her main gun

[serene nova]

same blue one?

[thick falcon]

no, rainbow DD gun if you have it

Tash gun/Harbin gun otherwise

[serene nova]

pff it's gear lab gear so there is no issue with rainbow one

[thick falcon]

I mean we have a gear lab update in a bout a month most likely

[serene nova]

as long as it's not limited i WILL have it no matter what

[thick falcon]

so don't just craft stuff willy nilly

[serene nova]

well last gear lab update was not really special since i don't think any ur gear there replaced anything that we already had

[thick falcon]

it didn't

but do you want to take the risk that won't happen again

[serene nova]

i mean if something better come I'll just farm for it so there really is not an issue I think

[thick falcon]

the issue is that you could set yourself a few a months behind for no reason if that happens

[serene nova]

I mean I am not planning on dropping this game any time soon sooo yeah I don't see an issue

[thick falcon]

recoverable yes but why take the risk, esepcially if there's not a particularly good reason to anyway

[thick falcon]

put it like this, say that the next update drops some new piece of UR gear that reshapes the set ups for boss fleets completely and it ends up getting reccomended just about everywhere

[serene nova]

I mean I have already like 12 or 15 ur quint torps you think it matter that much for me?

[thick falcon]

to be blunt yes

you can never be too careful with your resources

[serene nova]

I get what you mean by saying that you only want good for me but I already fked with ur gear so I am not that afraid of doing it again i am relatively stupid as you can see

[native maple]

i agree, better only to craft/upgrade stuff when needed with scarce resources such as ur prints/gold plates

[thick falcon]

well if you fucked up once, why not learn from it and try and make sure it never happens again

[serene nova]

I just want the best for my ships

I don't care if I struggle for it

but ok I will listen what is harbin gun?

[thick falcon]

the Twin 130mm from PR5

[serene nova]

this one?

[thick falcon]

yes

[serene nova]

i should have pleanty of those since I am doing pr5 rn for more ur guns there

okay I edited it like this

[thick falcon]

yep that's good

[serene nova]

no edits to mob fleet either?

since we still have two more fleets to go

[thick falcon]

nothing to be too picky about

[serene nova]

I was thinking about putting unzens gun on second slot of hinde

since it is limited if I am not mistaken

[thick falcon]

Unzen's main gun slot is stronger than Hinden's second gun

and it doesn't matter too much which of the UR CA guns you use for that slot

[serene nova]

well so far I am on this for bb fleet

[thick falcon]

Fire Control Radar for Vanguard instead of a black shell

and autloader instead of Black shell on Soyuz

[native maple]

u can run autoloader on soyuz for tighter sync between her and bz
also fumo on ply and hinden second slot is ok

[thick falcon]

also Soyuz gun on Vanguard instead of Champy gun

[serene nova]

um so am I putting soyuz gun on vanguard or am I sticking with this

[native maple]

put soyuz gun on vanny

and fc

[serene nova]

and not RN shell but white one?

[native maple]

i dont advise +13ing hms shell

[serene nova]

ah I see

okay this is how I edited it since I don't have more then one beaver and one is already on guam + I also don't have yet more then one tripple 203 skc and one is already on unzen

[native maple]

not drake gun on aegir

just give her kron gun or her own gun

[serene nova]

oh ok then this is what I did next

i'm moving to last fleet now

last fleet should be HE?

the kearsarge one

[native maple]

well if u run aurora yea

[serene nova]

don't judge my gearing I'm dumb

[thick falcon]

yeah

[thick falcon]

just follow the loadouts from there

[native maple]

ancho should be on unzen gun ure right

[thick falcon]

nothing really changes switching Enterprise to Kearsarge

[serene nova]

I don't have that many tenrai ... yet

[thick falcon]

just swap gear when need be

[serene nova]

wait so will be replacing kearsarge for enty better?

[native maple]

no

kear is better

[serene nova]

gud

[native maple]

mby when u get more cv rld u can swap avp to this

[serene nova]

okay this is the final geared teams is everything ok or any more edits needs to be done I took to consideration that I don't want to swap gear since i'll mostly have whole opsi on full auto mode

oh fudge I just realized I somehow swapped one ship for jarvis gotta edit that

here it is properly done

[thick falcon]

looks fine

those please don't +13 all of that