Could you post your fleet setup in a

[slate plaza]

are u manualing

[wild juniper]

nope

[slate plaza]

those torps arent good for auto

[wild juniper]

guess a simple black magnetic torp aux. ain't gonna cut it...sigh...

[slate plaza]

nope

mark 35 is what u want for this meta

but quads are fine aswell

[wild juniper]

this one?

[slate plaza]

yea

but if u got +13 quad mags they might be better im not sure

[tacit isle]

Be careful with those Mark 35s
Depending on who your vanguard is and when they're firing, it honestly may perform worse than quad mags, irrespective of enhance levels

[slate plaza]

as for ur cv timings ull have to fulmar ur cvs if u want em to hit the stop timings without nagato

[tacit isle]

Other thing is... small, but it can seriously matter, Sceptre > Bow for the CVs

[gusty trail]

Why is mark 35 better than quad mag?

[slate plaza]

mark 35 is better on average against stationary targets than quad mags

[gusty trail]

My quads are+13 tho

[tacit isle]

Line firing, when aimed at stationary point (whether forced or natural), is a better pattern
Add on more damage per torp and if you can make it work properly, it's just better

But making it work properly... there's the rub

[slate plaza]

use quad mags then

[wild juniper]

wait. if i put Nagato instead, i don't need to switch gear on the CVs?

[slate plaza]

still need but less scuffed planes

[tacit isle]

Ehhhh... you will
Tenrai isn't gonna cut it as far as I remember

[slate plaza]

like not having to use fulmar

but one cv can stay on tenrai

also would replace shima with helena

[tacit isle]

Damn, you have two Quint 610s at +13 👀

[gusty trail]

How much dmg u getting with the current setup?

[tacit isle]

Honestly, if you're willing to manual, I'm pretty sure you can OHKO with equipment like that...

But anyway, you definitely cannot use Quint 610s for a serious boss fight like this on auto
The hit rate must be absolutely appalling

[slate plaza]

here is what i use, except hindy gun on unzen but ur drake is +13 so keep unless u got +13 hindy gun

[wild juniper]

around 400k-500k. but CVs got 4k between eachother xD had full BB backline do 700k by comparison

[wild juniper]

have bow on them for ch15. AA going BBRRRR

[tacit isle]

Fair, but you want Sceptre in this boss fight (esp since you're using Musashi) to have the best chance of avoiding her projectile attacks bc uh... getting revealed can really tank your damage

[slate plaza]

this needs like 2 scans to OS but if ur cvs are slow since mine are oathed just swap nano and haku setup

[wild juniper]

put fulmar on both and still missed...79 dmg deal by haku =))) i'm out of runs for today. for tomorrow: how do i skip a run? just close the game?

[slate plaza]

yea

but u can only skip ur own battles not supports

and dont put fulmar on both if u run nagato

[wild juniper]

i knew i tried it before and didn't work. must've tried on supports...

[slate plaza]

they need to be distanced they cant run the same setup, haku and nano have almost the same rld if u use similar setups

[wild juniper]

why though? i see that they both launch... isn't the gimmick only for BB guns?

[slate plaza]

if backline launches ( airstrike/salvo doesnt matter ) within 1.5 ( 1.6s in practice ) of each other u trigger modney invicibility skill ( dimensional crossing ) and they deal 0 dmg

so every1 needs to be staggered

[wild juniper]

literally this

Rodney Meta is so meh to run

[slate plaza]

this is every meta

[tacit isle]

Come to PvP and experience the one META who is every bit as terrifying as her boss self

[wild juniper]

i know jintsu. still...doesn't feel THAT bad. always dies. Laffey 2 always vibes until the end

[tacit isle]

Anyway, Ren explained the mechanic, so there's no point adding anymore on that
You basically have to play with the planes until they desync properly
And depending on how much you care for the later CV's first airstrike, you may want to look into deceleration support

[tacit isle]

Jintsuu's whole gig is to die though
If she doesn't die, the fleet you were facing was a joke

[wild juniper]

in the first 10 seconds. i get it if she survives until enemy backline starts shooting. but when she goes down even before that...? i i get, she soaks all the enemy torps

[tacit isle]

Doesn't matter when she dies (supposing your frontline don't all collapse)
Her death proc is so very valuable
... Hmmmm... now I wonder
Is she not performing as well as you hope because your torps are wrong?

[tacit isle]

OK so you are using the correct torps, I presume with black torp as well
Rest of vanguard is Laffey and... FortM? Shima? Someone else?

[wild juniper]

yea, it's jintsuM, laffey2, fortuneM. all black torp aux, and the one from the top. with immortal gear on laffey2, tear on fortuneM and jintsu has....rainbow torp aux

actually, why did i write a wall of text. 1 pic is worth 1000 words xD

[tacit isle]

Relatively similar to mine, and exactly the same torp + auxes as on my JintM... hmmm...
Interesting...
That's really bizarre if I may be honest
Is JintM at least doing damage even if she dies reasonably early?

Ohhhh
OK, one easy switch straightaway
Change the crossbow to Sword
Planes aren't worth worrying about with Laffey II existing
Every last point of ACC counts to get JintM to hit her torps

[wild juniper]

her 1st launch of torps usually whiff. since she fires 1st. the other 2 wreck with torps.

[tacit isle]

Ye, inevitable cost of her firing first, but it's fine bc she has at least two more guaranteed rounds
What server are you on?

[wild juniper]

numba owan...Sandy

[tacit isle]

Was wondering whether maybe Avrora because the legends at least go that PvP there is brutal... Idk much about Sandy apart from historically the scores being uncommonly low
But ye, apart from the augment change, she's geared to perfection imo... I guess I have seen some examples of people building her half tank (so black torp + survivability aux) but no reason to suspect that should really be that much more effective than double torp...
So I can't really say much without actually seeing your fleet in some battles

Although, I guess, as long as you win maybe the details don't matter too much

[wild juniper]

i mean...donno how hardcore the Avrora server guys are, but even on Sandy, you aint breaking top 100 if you lost 1 fight in the "season"

[tacit isle]

Idk I've only heard the legends tbf
Not really sure how it actually looks like in reality

[wild juniper]

guess the defense fleets can be kinda wonky. THAT is where the diligence lacks. seen some top 10 guys with 1:1 def. fleets or the weirdest comp you'll ever see...well, not that weird: all redheads, all "native americans" xD

[tacit isle]

Ye, we have that in Amagi also
Lots of meme comps, very few "true" defence fleets
Supposedly Avrorans are hardcore enough that many defence fleets are serious, as opposed to memes

[wild juniper]

i see plenty of THIS fleets on defense too. usually lose to them when i try to get that 11-12 point battle when i could settle for the easy 10 pointer, but i'm to lazy to watch it perfectly to close the game

and this are the top 3 on the server

[tacit isle]

Lul, one waifu, one loli, and one ancient/meme meta
Fitting for the image of Sandy tbh lol

[tacit isle]

Yes, that is THE meta fleet right now...
Is your fleet a mirror, or is your backline different?

[wild juniper]

yeaaaaa....3rd one was almost what i was using just Aquila instead of Sedlidz

mirror. yea. i just grew out of Aquilla and got Soyuz in last week

[tacit isle]

Ah, ye that explains your difficulties I imagine... Aquila, and CVs as a whole really, are in very bad shape right now
But with Soyuz things should be better

Should be able to win the mirror by attacker's bonus, if nothing else, at least some of the time (RNG can always mess you up though)

[wild juniper]

my worst "issue" in pvp is "i'm trying to min max" and then i leave like 3 battles...so i'm 8/10 and new roll tick happens

[tacit isle]

Yep, every PvPers nightmare

[wild juniper]

especially so with timer for North America, as european

[wild juniper]

so this is the most consistent so far. equal to 19 bars of HP left on Boss. got it as low as 15 bars with Musashi instead of Nagato but, that one was a lucky draw. most consistent on Musashi was 27-29 bars of HP left.

[slate plaza]

[sturdy minnow]

I won't back read the thread but at least swap ply and unzen positions

[slate plaza]

Did u try swapping ply and shima for the options i posted

[wild juniper]

rather then bothering with the vanguard. i still whiff converging torps on my CVs.timers are 19.35 on shinano and 21.45 on haku... and haku's 1st launch whiffs every time

[wild juniper]

plymouth tank?

[slate plaza]

Ull have to take first whiff

And i would bother with vanguard options if u want one shots

Helena being the best

But i alr posted setup so good luck

[wild juniper]

what was the stagger timer? 1.6 seconds?

[slate plaza]

Yea

[wild juniper]

best dmg has unzen with goldburn and rainbow torp aux. going to try 2 rainbows next run... still feel like i need more speed on CVs...guess i'll look to run chinese CVs on event to level them up xD

[slate plaza]

Even max rld the slower cv in nagato comp will rng first strike

And scuffing planes so that the slower makes first strike and faster becomes even faster to keep stagger is not worth

Ur cvs are low dmg still which idr know why