these are the current selections i have mostly looking for main but id welcome all input regardless
#Fleetbuilding for wr13 and on
tacit pilot
bright pond
Post here
tacit pilot
has it loaded yet?
tacit pilot
i think nagato mostly dies alone then followed by the rest
wary summit
so planes dont die fast enough then
tacit pilot
i just recently acquired anchorage too to replace roon
tacit pilot
so planes dont die fast enough then
i guess
bright pond
Replacing Nagato with FdG would help there, but the boss fleet I posted should kill everything just fine, if you have decent AA gear.
tacit pilot
Replacing Nagato with FdG would help there, but the boss fleet I posted should k...
yea this is my option for now if no other patch can be applied
bright pond
Then you could try Uni/Sara/Lusty or Formi/Roon/Helena/Sandy in mob. Helena's not great just because you don't want to sync your shots.
wary summit
I'm curious why you use nagato in boss fleet instead of amagi? her barrage skill is ass and you dont even have any ijn ships for her buff
ah i mean boss fleet
tacit pilot
fleet 2 is very old and was my boss fleet for forever
wary summit
oh, time to retire nagato forever then
also you might want to level up your SSR ships to 120 for maximum tech points
tacit pilot
alr then, so that makes fdg the main boss, then for the fleet monarch
bright pond
Chapter 13 is the first spot that you start to really need to optimize
tacit pilot
yea this is the first time im also paying attention to fleetbuilding and what not
bright pond
alr then, so that makes fdg the main boss, then for the fleet monarch
Assuming you mean to keep Monarch in mob fleet? If so, Monarch/Sara/Uni for mob would be my choice if you don't want to go triple CV
tacit pilot
yes for now, until i can put something on formi/lusty
bright pond
FdG/Sara/Enty would also be completely viable as a boss fleet
Assuming you have Sara's augment
tacit pilot
i have
wary summit
formi is 🚮 tho dont use her
bright pond
For this fight she's fine, since she's going to be doing more to kill planes
bright pond
If you can, I'd also awaken as many ships as possible to 125
wary summit
with AA carry for each fleet he should have no trouble in chap 13 unless ass gears
bright pond
Move Helena to mid
bright pond
She's already squishier than Sandy, and will actually make Sandy tankier
I'd give those 2 fleets a try and see how they work. Assuming you have correct gear for each, you should have no problems
What AA guns are you running?
tacit pilot
im following ectl for guide and am using the best ones available rn. which im guessing is still shit
they mostly have these for aa
bright pond
Ok, those are fine for the back line. What about vanguard?
If your vanguard is wearing those too, we found your issue
tacit pilot
these are what my vanguard wears mostly
wary summit
now that is the issue
tacit pilot
wary summit
do you have quadruple bofors AA gun?
bright pond
Belay that
tacit pilot
yes enough to replace the twin and another
wary summit
replace it
bright pond
Italian AA is better than quad bofors, roomba's good for the 2 carries
wary summit
these are what my vanguard wears mostly
slaimuda github doesnt not recommend that shitty ass AA gun btw, the only good thing about it is its color
bright pond
So 2 twin 90 and a roomba in each fleet should be fine
tacit pilot
the twin 113mm aa is fine tho right and the twin 90mm 1939?
wary summit
twin 113 is only good on AA carry
tacit pilot
its on guam
bright pond
Yeah, those are good. Twin 90 is a quad bofors with 1 extra range. Twin 113 should only be on the carry, as Glacier said, so Sandy and Guam
wary summit
give twin 113 to sandy, you should have a second one right?
bright pond
Do you have a Roomba for Sandy? If not, your best gear should be focused on your boss fleet
wary summit
well give twin 90 to sandy then if not
bright pond
Uni can make up for A LOT in mob fleet
tacit pilot
well give twin 90 to sandy then if not
sandy is on mob tho thats fine?
wary summit
maybe AA radars to AA carry too, your vanguards should not die to enemies fire even without toolbox/dishwasher subs
wary summit
sandy is on mob tho thats fine?
it's fine
bright pond
I wouldn't worry about radars until you prove that you're still lacking AA. Try with these changes first, and then make adaptations if you have to
Just remember that the only important HP for a ship is the last one, so it doesn't matter how low they get unless they die
tacit pilot
alr tysm for the inputs will try and see the results later
bright pond
Oh, do you have any washing machines for your vanguard? This would be ideal for most CLs, I'm not the biggest fan of the gun you're using
If they use CL guns, Seattle gun would be better and is easy to get.
Or triple 155 kai
tacit pilot
Oh, do you have any washing machines for your vanguard? This would be ideal for ...
for this i only have one its on roon, and for the guns i dont have much options
also seeing my mob struggling
perseus for formi maybe?
bright pond
What planes do you have on Formi? There's no reason to run double healer.
Actually, just give a screenshot of all your gear
wary summit
time to give AA radars to sandy then
why does your vanguards take so much damage tho?
tacit pilot
why does your vanguards take so much damage tho?
thats what im saying
bright pond
Screenshots of the gear on all your ships could help determine that.
tacit pilot
how do i see all the gears again?
wary summit
postponing w13 is also an option, wait until you have a few wyverns and full +10 good gears 
bright pond
No eva gear isn't helping. Just a screenshot of their gear sheets
wary summit
200 gems = 10 dock slots isnt going to improve much of your gameplay anyways
tacit pilot
these are only the relevant ones i have, theyre all shit
building a castle of repair boxes
wary summit
weirdge, your vanguards should not take that much damage with those gears
tacit pilot
you know im starting to think roon is the problem
wary summit
how about stop tryharding w13 and wait until you have double wyvern plus +10 gears?
bright pond
You have a washing machine on Sanrui, put that somewhere. Helena doesn't need the SG, Laffii doesn't want the torp aux, Aya is going to explode with double damage. Get everything to a minimum of +10 as well
tacit pilot
not really pushing it, just seeing what i can possibly do with what i have
wary summit
lemme try 13-4 with the same ships as your vanguard fleet
bright pond
What planes do you have on formi? Still haven't answered that
tacit pilot
What planes do you have on formi? Still haven't answered that
oh yea wait
wary summit
tacit pilot
here
wary summit
tacit pilot
wary summit
are you out of blue plates?
tacit pilot
these?
bright pond
... You couldn't even bother to +10 purple gear. Deal with that before even ATTEMPTING anything else. I'd pretty much expect gold catas at this point, but +10 purple catas are the absolute minimum
wary summit
no, the mats to upgrade gears
bright pond
Seriously, get everything to +10 before trying again
tacit pilot
everything purple that i have?
bright pond
No, everything you're currently using
tacit pilot
hmmm i was actually just seeing if i could replace these purples if i do enough op siren
but ill do that
bright pond
OpSi isn't going to give you catapults
wary summit
purple catapults are fine
but +3 and +4 are not
wyvern is a huge boost for AA and damage tho
nvm, smh my fleet is dying too
wyvern issue then
tacit pilot
actually got enough catapults
bright pond
That's the difference between gold and purple aviation tank. Purple cata and av tank are the same exact stats
tacit pilot
so just that?
tacit pilot
nvm, smh my fleet is dying too
hmmmm so im stuck is what youre saying
wary summit
wyvern is a huge boost to CV anti air and damage
so with it you dont have to be as sweaty with w13 fleetbuilding
-> go get it then
tacit pilot
alr takeaways, max everything then wyverns
wary summit
I'm testing with your exact fleet and no rainbow gear to see if its possible to clear 13-4 mobs
bright pond
I can't do any testing, since mine is already at safe
leaden heath
Back in my day there weren't wyverns or level 125 for chapter 13 👴
wary summit
sure grandma let get you to 🛌
tacit pilot
Back in my day there weren't wyverns or level 125 for chapter 13 👴
thank goodness the future is now
bright pond
I still prefer triple CV for mob if you can
wary summit
that might be necessary, the fleet is taking a shit ton of damage even with +10 gears
tacit pilot
I still prefer triple CV for mob if you can
yea i just modified it to have uni/formi/sara for mob then uvh/enty/amagi for boss
leaden heath
Why didn't you just put either laffii or Guam in mob?
tacit pilot
Why didn't you just put either laffii or Guam in mob?
it was that before this thread, and the other fleet was useless
leaden heath
bright pond
I'm not a fan of Helena in mob either, but he doesn't have a lot of options
tacit pilot
nvmind i put monarch instead of amagi
wary summit
sandy + helena can kinda work in boss fleet but the thing is you dont have enough damage to 1 shot the boss
leaden heath
Laffii mob is the only correct option
tacit pilot
helene and sandy is kinda working
what is not working is ayayami
i was planning on replacing her with kawakaze last week
wary summit
I'm using the same mob fleet as you and my vanguard is not taking that much damage btw, what gears are you using on main fleet
bright pond
I just noticed that you have Yuudachi at 100 as well. Replace Ayanami with Poi once you get her some more levels
tacit pilot
pre triple cv? i had formi and uni with these
then monarch
but mob is drafted to this now
wary summit
at least +6 those oil tanks brotha 
leaden heath
Something like
Monarch uni Perseus laffii sandy Roon
Someone enterprise Saratoga Guam Helena someone
WITH +10 GEAR
tacit pilot
rn im just gonna upgrade all their gears
yea im trying hamaal's setup first then yours
but if glacier can test for me that would be great
wary summit
verdict: it is possible to clear 13-4 with your current fleet if +10 gears
leaden heath
wary summit
vanguards doesnt take that much damage even with double radar sandy
tacit pilot
<:Blessex:753375684126310451>
you could be a prophet
leaden heath
Your 13-4 is lethal?
tacit pilot
yes
leaden heath
Well no I see it's safe
tacit pilot
everything is lethal to me
wary summit
no, but I'm using anti sub planes on uni and +0 torp on roon
leaden heath
That's 20% less damage taken which works out to like 40% to 60% healthier ships after you consider healing, and that's not considering the damage buff too
tacit pilot
ill be farming plates then, and prio on catapults and aa guns
leaden heath
Those are small slots
All weapons to +10, including aa guns. More important than catapults
wary summit
back when first time 13-4, they got my mob fleet to half HP even with wyverns on chise and unicorn
your ships can clear w13 but anyways manual/good gears are needed
leaden heath
For sure, I would be greatly concerned if Guam and laffii couldn't do it
tacit pilot
laffi and guam are chilling they on +10 gears
tacit pilot
your ships can clear w13 but anyways manual/good gears are needed
yea imma just postpone until i can auto
urban topaz
I have many questions,why is that gun on fdg 
tacit pilot
you should scroll up, ive posted it be4
urban topaz
Is it all accurate atleast?
tacit pilot
im posting the planes now
urban topaz
urban topaz
these are only the relevant ones i have, theyre all shit
Is this really all your gear ?
tacit pilot
you wanna see the blues?
urban topaz
Are you new ?,cause there arent any free ur gears
tacit pilot
ive been inactive played on and off for 1 year then came back just pre guam
tacit pilot
yes
urban topaz
Right ,one moment
urban topaz
yes
Are you open to lvling ships ?
Cause i can slap a fleet together ,but they going to need lvls
tacit pilot
sure, ive got plenty gold bulins
no urs
im 1 bulin short for uvh, and a pending shinano
tacit pilot
do what
urban topaz
Uvh and shinano
urban topaz
Thats fine
@tacit pilot im going to give it to you straight,you need more lvls on your ships and better quality gear
tacit pilot
already knew that
but older players my account age have done it with the same options i have so i hav faith copium
urban topaz
You want 125 ships ,cause your gonna be at a lvl dis advantage ,and more rears to help
tacit pilot
wait no, wr14 was out in 2020 right
urban topaz
Ill still give you the fleet to work on ,dont worry
tacit pilot
You want 125 ships ,cause your gonna be at a lvl dis advantage ,and more rears t...
oh shit right, i have no cog arrays
