#Need help with fleets

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minor verge
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Hi, I need help before using my resources.
Currently, I'm stuck in Chapter 10-2, and I can't farm in Chapter 6 on hard difficulty because of stat requirements. I've started the Siren's Operation, so I need more fleets.
So I created these fleets, based on ships skills and what I've seen playing the game.
But as a new player, I don't really rely on my fleet idea, so i here to ask help, before use my resources.

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previus fleet

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sub fleet

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ivory quest
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Yeah...

minor verge
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This is a 1:1 for Yudachi farm

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And here are my ships:

ivory quest
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First off why aren't you using enterprise

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minor verge
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ivory quest
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First, I don't see Enterprise period in either your proposed mob or boss fleet

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Second no

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Even if you get her you won't be retrofitting her for a long time

minor verge
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Nagato can buff this pair, so I put them

ivory quest
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If you can farm D3 that's not terrible

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But don't invest in them or Nagato

minor verge
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trash ships?

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Not worth it mainly

minor verge
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i only use them in commisions

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Also start leveling Nelson and Saratoga

minor verge
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I'm farming retro plans for Saratoga.

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Also ditch Laffey 2 for now

minor verge
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I'm close to get monarch, i still need nelson?

signal drum
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Will she be dev30

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Nelson is overall just better than Monarch

minor verge
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i have 259 blue prints for mornarch

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and i will get more in the cards

ivory quest
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Was that from catch up

minor verge
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so what the best i can do with the ships that i have?

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i can replace nagato by nelson, bunny pair by saratoga and enty?

ivory quest
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Mob: Hood, Unicorn, Saratoga, Portland, Z23, [filler]

Boss: Nelson retro, Enterprise, [filler], Guam, Helena, [filler]

minor verge
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So I can use anyone in filler?

ivory quest
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Kinda

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It's moreso to indicate what you're missing for 2 solid fleets

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So work on raising the ships you do have for now that aren't leveled

minor verge
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good Cls?

ivory quest
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And see what ships you get in the mean time

minor verge
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I get it, where I can learn how to build a solid fleet with good ships?

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There is a guide of something like that?

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minor verge
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Thank you very much for the help

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That would be a good place to start

minor verge
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thanks

minor verge
ivory quest
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That's a bit tricky

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But basically a ship is worth investing in if it won't get replaced in the near future, fills a whole/missing role in your current fleet, and isn't absurdly costly

minor verge
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for example if i get shinano, or new jersey

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Saratoga will worth it?

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Or nelson

ivory quest
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Well

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They're a few months off at least

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And that's mentioning if you'll have the UR bullins to MLB them

minor verge
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i have one, and i can buy another 2

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One you get or have enough for one more MLB UvH then

minor verge
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in boss fleet, main filler there's no problem in use Ulrich or Gascone u ?

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I wouldn't invest Gold Bullins in Gascogne muse

minor verge
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i plain to get Shinano first, in the pity

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better use Ulrich

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As I see with Guam, UR ships don't have a level limit

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so i use her before get shinano or Ticon

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Who comes first

ivory quest
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Okay so level caps are by far in a way not the most important things ships get from limit breaks

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Including URs

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Ships gain a lot of stats from limit breaks as well as main gun, torp, and/or planes

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So a 3 star Shinano is genuinely worse than a MLB common CVL

minor verge
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Good to know, it's really best to save it for Shinano.

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after all Ulrich is at least a temporary filler

ivory quest
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That applies pretty much to all ships by the way

minor verge
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by the guide you passed, i find a link to another,

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is seem to have a tier list

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From what you told me about a ship being worth it, if I based myself on this tier list, focusing on ships from the shipyard, and the ex, t0 ships, they would be what I would use most of the game, right?

ivory quest
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Well no

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Not completely anyway

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Sirius is the most used CV buffer in OpSi for an example

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And she's only T2

minor verge
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This is more complicated than it seems

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Below the tier 0 list, it would be interesting to look at the skills, and if it is good like Sirius, should we invest then?

ivory quest
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Kinda

signal drum
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depends on what youre going for

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You have to keep in mind ECTL's tiring criteria

signal drum
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for example if building boss fleet sirius is decent since she buffs cvs but for mobbing its less effective than other ships whose skills are based offensively

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They tier around auto performance in the main campaign solo(not in a specific comp)

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So things are gonna change when you move to other content

signal drum
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reverse thing as well, kazagumo is tier 1 but you dont want to use her in mobbing since she is somewhat squishy and even in late campaign she isnt good at all since she just dies despite her cv buffing being one of the best in the game

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Uhhh

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Kazagumo is fine

signal drum
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just because a skill looks good doesn't mean it is, i would say it depends on the stats of the ship itself alongside the effect of the skill lol

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For anything that's not w15 which most DDs die in anyway

signal drum
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altho for general bosses like abyssals and harbiter she fares somewhat okay

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What video

signal drum
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tldr tier list doesn't dictate ship effectiveness in a fleetbuilding perspective

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ivory quest
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I literally said outside W15

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W14 and W15 are very much compostional based anyway

signal drum
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definitely

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haven't reviewed gear yet though that might be an issue

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unless its literally just the stat req

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Gear is the single most important thing

minor verge
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Basically, even a Tier N ship can still be good, it all depends on the context of where it will be used?

signal drum
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yes

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also gear lol

ivory quest
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It doesn't go to quite that extreme

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But yeah

minor verge
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Do I just need to take a look at the content I'm going to do?

signal drum
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really does depend on stage of the game to be fair

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for example its very unlikely you can clear late campaign modes with only common ships

ivory quest
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Don't discount a ship because of their rarity or tiering

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signal drum
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but if you build fleet right you can get by with ships that are less effective overall

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although i think almost anything goes before w12 (?)

minor verge
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Let's see if I understand, for example if I use Queen Elizabeth, as long as I use for example George V, and a Formidable, and the entire vanguard of HMS, would it be a good fleet for a boss?

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even if they are below tier 1

signal drum
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gV and formidable are fine not sure if QE is good though

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also depends on your hms vanguard as well

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for example for heavy boss if you had aurora in vanguard it wouldnt be very effective since her skills are meant for light

minor verge
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Howe insted of QE

signal drum
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although not sure if george 5 should be in full HMS fleet with her special augment,

ivory quest
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That's just falling into the trap of building a faction fleet

signal drum
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objectively its fine but generally single faction fleets are bad

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Typically the buffers that are worth using are vanguards

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Since in OpSi boss fleets the vast bulk of your damage is gonna come from your main fleet

minor verge
signal drum
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also probably worth noting for bb backline there are fewer buffer

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i believe a tank + helena + plym is the optimal vanguard for bossing

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So buffing them is gonna be better than running some dps vanguards

signal drum
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then for cv its tank + sirius + kazagumo

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theyre all different faction so its more about synergising skills together

signal drum
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though buffers are more consistent i think

minor verge
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Howe is not worth the investment?

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She is

minor verge
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Like I said fleets are built around content

signal drum
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for example in opsi for cross fleet buff i believe people use agir for the actual bb boss fleet while running kronshtadt in another boss fleet

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since she has cross buff for accuracy and agir has slowing torps

minor verge
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From what I see, it's an experience we get by playing over time, then.

signal drum
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more so just understanding how skills work i guess

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signal drum
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most have some sort of support skill through cross fleet barrage or buff

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not all just most

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if i remember correctly

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minor verge
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can i use the tier list for gearing?

signal drum
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would say use equipment guide by samheart generally

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but ectl gearing is also fine