Gar optimisation of 14-4

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Wew

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i quote 'more rainbows"

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Boss and mob

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looks good tho

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Triple bb is pretty questionable

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i'd switch kala for something else tho

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Main fleet

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oh right its 14-4

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Vanguard

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Remember that 14-4 boss is a pretty long mob fight concluded by a boss fight

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I'd probably use Shinano over NJ

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drop nj for haku imo

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Just slapped it on since I wanted to clear it again out of boredom

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am i blind i dont see nano

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Note: I started during LDV event

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Oh wait doesn't look like you have Shinano

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Nope, I started a month after her

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Use Haku then ig

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Impa bad?

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same homie same

haku better imo

slash go brr

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Haku using?

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For this fight Impla doesn't shine as much

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Dual ryuusei and tenrai?

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das the loadout cad gave me might sync to your sashi tho so just adjust

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My sushi is oathed

So no shot she’s ever gonna sync

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nice then that works

brest dev?

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24

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i really want that kala replaced

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I have azuma

Only used Kala back when I didn’t have a second CB

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azuma may be my waifu but i dont trust her aswell

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It’s one of them or I do the scuffed Harbin main tank

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she is tankier tho so thats that

im thinking ply mob

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Brest is better, but Kala should be fine with Unicorn and thingything fighter Italy

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Aquila?

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Yeee

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I tried chkalov, she did not survive

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Everyone else made it out alive except her

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skill issue

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Russian bias isn’t real

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Oh wait you mean Chkalov didn't survive?

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Sushi haku sync?

Or too far apart?

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And make sure to not have your Sashi and Bisko fire at the same time

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im comparing stats and shit on wiki i think azuma better

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they're well seperated looks nice

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Oath sushi is still too slow to fire on top of bis 2 unoathed

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You don't want any sync in this fight anyway

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Yeah

I had impa and haku sync

Was not fun

Ended up using haku dual tenrai

Worst comes I can use the new slow down thing they added

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Well on some fights your Uni or Aquila might still die, 14-4 is always a bit of rng

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They survive consistently from my runs

No clue how but they’re both barely alive

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mob seems gud we run the same backline

the only issues i ever had was vanguard tankiness after no ammo

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Never had that issue tbh

Mine was intercept not being strong enough

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massive skill issue on my part then

care to drop gear?

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Suicide boats would sneak in

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The only issues I've ever had was Aquila and or Unicorn dying and Poi dying from taking a lil vacation inside enemy ships

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might finally try and 3star 14-4 aswell later not sure if the issues i had were merely about low level issue

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But I never got the map down to safe, so

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I did it on lethal with a fleet 2-3 times worse then this so you can do it

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i'd get another asw aux

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I 3-stard on lethal

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I had monarch and ari M

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i cant 3 star lethal im painfully skill issued

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I considered that since I ran ASW on an Shan

Drop rainbow dildo oxytorp?

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Yeah I would also get a depth charge on Poi or Harbin

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last attempt mob died literally first fight after no ammo

dont think oxytorp does shit there

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I have hedgehog on poi

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i was also running beacon aquila if you wanna try that

heals go brr

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Hmm

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not enough

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It’s on safe

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i argued that with cad and cheeky and they said not enough

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I was very desperate at one point

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well thats a different topic

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Dual ASWA plane

Hedgehog

ASW charge

Was told it’s overkill

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def not

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Only hedgehog + 1 ASW plane wasn't enough for me on no ammo

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do try aquila beacon might help

wait i cant relly remember if it was aquila beacon or uni

lemme check

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Btw this was my 14-4 lethal 3 star mob fleet

Take it in

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this is a very outdated comp i used on first clear

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Wow the Scylla meme setup

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i changed vg already

made it poi chang

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Wait what

Why did you change An for Chang

When she's the only cn in the fleet

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cuz i tried yat tank

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You want Harbin tank

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didnt work out that was the last attemp i did last month

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Luo used Harbin, Chang and someone else

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low dev back then

until now still aint dev 30

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🐌

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She’s very good

You’ll get there

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Mine's dev30 twice by now

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So keep Kala? Or is azuma less dodgy?

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dalao

try azuma she looks stronger statwise

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I don't think either is rly dodgy

And tanking wise they're very similar

In my experience

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I’ll use azuma then

More barrages

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?

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Kala doesn’t get consistent barrages

Her CL gun is god awfully slow

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dd gun azuma pog

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Anything else?

BiS 2 btw is god send in 14-4

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How does your Azuma have more barrages than Kala

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Geryon mini odin

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my experience yes

hold on poi offtank better?

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Lemme put it this way, Kala will barrage twice in a fight, and usually whiff instantly

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Dunno which barrage does better vs med and especially heavy targets though

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She’s evasive as all hell, I just have her there since an Shan used to sit mid until Harbin

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ahh i see might do that aswell then

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Given how Kala’s barrage does a U turn halfway I feel azuma is better

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not me putting poi middle for some reason

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I think in w14 mid and off tank are surpisingly similar

And my poi in mid still was the only vg to die
And to ramming dmg only as well

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Off tank in 14-4 is basically unkillable tbh

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mid gets more torp dmg iirc atleast someone said that to me when helping me with my fleet

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Yeah but I still think that's more of a myth than an actually well established fact

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still got me paranoid enough to actually upgrade torp bulges

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I did it for agir

Else she gets auto’d to death during the first 10 seconds of boss

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I have upgraded torp bulge for my pvp Ägir

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smh my head who even plays pvp

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Torpedos that get fired during the beginning of the boss can really hurt (auto slammed into all 12+ of them)

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Still need 100 gold bulins

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Only 100?

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Huh I never had that

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Would plywood be better in boss or mob?

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Yeah then all my ships will be mlb

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mob based on the advices i got

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Since doesn’t she have really high dps

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She did great in mob for me

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Ditch azuma and Harbin main tank?

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she's a mob tank most of the advices i heard

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Idk who’s tankier

Bin or wood?

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Ply is tankier than Harb pretty sure

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Who does in my middle boss then?

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pretty sure ply dmg is what makes her a great tank might be wrong tho

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?

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Plymouth say middle in my boss

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How does great dmg correlate with being a good tank

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Who does there instead?

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What can’t reach me can’t hurt me

I kill them before they can fire

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dunno big dmg easier time to deal with mobs ?

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But she could deal just as well with mobs from any other position

Anyway not sure what best choice for the mid ship would be

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i cant really suggest anything cuz i only know jda

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Same

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haven't played enough w14 to know shit

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I have both DDGs retrofitted

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am just basing things from what i see recommended

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And I didn't even rly like JdA in boss

Maybe Shima or sth could also work?

Oh wait you also don't have Shima

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or we could just say f it and keep ply on boss

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Gonna do a test run

BRB

I forgot how much “stuff” is on my screen during this

Not bad tbh

End result

Could definitely slap on another depth charge

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damn i need some of that oil

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No, I feel it, I'm struggling to get rid of my oil all the time

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i cant seem to escape 3 digit oil

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Overall a success

Ty guys

You gain a lot of oil once you finish pr4/5

Also just got my fourth orleans

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seems like im close then

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Need one more to MLB using only herself

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That is if you don’t no life another PR grind

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mans casually calling me out

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Post-chkalov I’ve averaged 20k during non-events and 8k during events (after 5 days of grinding)

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i just finished brest like a few hours ago and im rushing odin now

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I finished haku exp before I could even spend cubes

Sooo

3.6 mill in 3 days, before I got sushi

Also gl on beating w14-4 3 star lethal

If my dumb ass can do it so can you

I had a bloody dev 20 FDG back then

and

USE

YOUR

SUBS

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the hardest part of that is my 3 digit oil cuz pr grind pain

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and DDG missile

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too lazy to build my subs

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I will point my triple 460mm guns at your house if you don’t

Even a half assed setup using g7e s will do

Level 100 g7e with double torp

That’s fine

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im starting to level em up rn but man im broke to get em better torps

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G7e is common

Gearlab

Or purple G7e

Those work too

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i shall use my rf

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She’s not bad, put her in flagship though

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wait fr? i kinda just leveled her to afk sub raid

i got decent wolfpack tho so rf was a joke

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Farming for dupes to mlb

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Not bad (beat the hardest node no ammo)

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She’s got good dps but is hurt by the fact she’s a surface ship

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Those are very rng though

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I’ll put it through it’s paces

Usually I don’t come out with that little damage

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wait wut did you replace ply with?

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Kitakaze

She works fine as is

Barrage wise it’s near constant which is nice

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Kita huh

I'd use even Kawa over Kita

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Kita has torp spam

Good for clearing out the last BBs

And thanks to bis 2

My sushi no longer gets RNG’d to death

Mobbing fleet if you wanna copy

Boss if you wanna copy

No clue how it performs VS lethal though

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Hmm guess Kita is maybe a bit better vs heavy

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I’m just coping cause no shima

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Though I don't think I'd cope on those torps hitting

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The entire screen is enemy, I doubt she’ll miss

Worst case it hits an enemy sub

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And in all my tests Kawa did actually better than Kita (But didn't test w14 or heavy)

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Might try kawa tomorrow

Now I sleep

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gnight

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nighty thankies for reference