fleet building help

[vivid barn]

so I just found out that my faction fleets are bad so I'll post the screenshots of my dock, and then the screenshots of my current fleets after that, if yall can help in any way I'll probably get to changing the fleets here tomorrow when I wake up to do my dailies

can only do 10 at a time so here's the first ones

second set

last set for my dock's and yes I have a bunch of bulins

and here I have my current fleets, I do have a 5th with the french factions but I dont use them, and haven't really touched subs really just run a few random ones so I'll take suggestions on what to use

[south bison]

alright lets see now

is this for opsi?

or is this for campaign?

ok so first and biggest thing is you need to play the game more

lvl 120 is the baseline

for optimization

[vivid barn]

idc about oil consumption atm since I usually stay over the cap and end up using it all to buy dorm food the 4th one I think, but I'm probably gonna need to resort all my gear, and everything I know the white shelling gear is good on BB's, I mainly use the japanese planes that have the magnetic torpedos

I'll take recomendations for both, I was gonna make a META fleet for OPS considering i was wanting to clear everything, but I'll probably need them for campaign as well

[south bison]

if it aint lvl 120 bring them to 120

[potent siren]

retrofit that unicorn

[south bison]

oil consumption does not matter

cuz they released oil cap.

so if your fleet cost 300 oil per battle and oil cap is 21, you will cost only 21 oil per battle

oil cap appears in every map at and after chapter 9 after you 100%

[nimble merlin]

those magnetic torpedoes arent magnetic, they just converge so they will all miss if yr not using a slow/stop

[vivid barn]

good to know, I just thought about the focus fire kind of deal to pump out more dmg

[nimble merlin]

u have many good options just not raised

[south bison]

is this for opsi?

[nimble merlin]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home use this as gear guide

[south bison]

or campaign?

[vivid barn]

that's what I feared....

[south bison]

where are you trying to use your fleets?

[vivid barn]

I'm gonna need both because I'm only on chapter 2 for OPS, and chapter 8 for campaign

I use my campaign set ups for OPS at the moment

[south bison]

push to chapter 12 asap

bc chapter 12 is the easiest best farming spot in the game

due to oil cap and clear rewards

generally, our advice for new players is to rush there within the first month

like ignore everything else and just speedrun

you can definitely get there

let me make a fleet for ya

[vivid barn]

and here I am years later.....

[south bison]

i assume musashi and fdg are max limit broken?

actually musashi dont need mlb, musashi built diff

[vivid barn]

I dont think so.... but I could easily max them

I will say I was planning on putting monarch in place of hood on my HMS fleet considering her barrage is better than hood at the same chances

[nimble merlin]

musashi, unicorn, independence kronstadt, scylla, laffey for mobbing
new jersey, enteprise, saratoga, azuma, helena, sandy for bossing

that shld be able to take u to w14 prob

w14 built different so just ignore tho

also u shld prob start mlb yr ur

mlb is extremely important for any ship yr using

also i dont rly see much pr ships, u shld start doing pr4 asap

[south bison]

so first lets uh change your mindset

only 2 teams matter for now

[nimble merlin]

every ship in pr4 is useful, u can skip marco polo tho in yr case

[south bison]

mob and boss fleet

mob fleet clear everything until boss spawns, boss fleet only fights boss

ignore literally everything else

[vivid barn]

just boost their stats even higher, I get that

I have all pr 1 and most pr 2 save for gascognue which I'm working on right now, I think that's also why I was pushing for faction ships

[south bison]

option for 3rd and 4th fleet? ignore

[nimble merlin]

also hood with augment > monarch

[south bison]

fuck 3rd and 4th fleet

[nimble merlin]

drop gascogne u alrdy have several options better than her

skip straight to pr4 and ignore drake

[south bison]

lets do 1 step at a time and ignore research for now

[vivid barn]

.... my collection mentality isn't going to like that.... I've been farming hard mode of like 5-7 for the mats so I can retro everything....

[south bison]

you dont even have access to farming maps

so like research does nothing and is not efficient

[nimble merlin]

use this and make 12-4 safe

that fleet shld be overkill enough for it

[south bison]

mob: musashi unicorn saratoga, eugen, laffey, javelin

[nimble merlin]

and start using 12-4 to farm for exp and coin

[south bison]

i mostly picked ships that you already have leveled

musashi mlb doesnt matter

she destroys every map before w12 anyway

even on 3 star

she is THAT strong

[vivid barn]

just need to get levels and mlb and enhancments up

[south bison]

simply deletes them

[south bison]

no, make the fleet i told you and ignore everything else

for boss fleet: new jersey enterprise warspite, heinrich helena and san diego

ignore literally every other ship in the game and use what you have to push to chapter 12

[nimble merlin]

u used eugen twice

[south bison]

you can 100% do it

[vivid barn]

so I'm assuming musashi flag, and eugen tank front for mobing?

would york work in the boss fleet place?

[south bison]

yes

[south bison]

trash

[nimble merlin]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home use this as general guide on whats good and what isnt (dont worship it)

its also a gear guide

[south bison]

mob: musashi unicorn saratoga, eugen, laffey, javelin
boss fleet: new jersey enterprise warspite, heinrich helena and san diego

push to chapter 12

then farm chapter 12

when a ship hit lvl 120, swap off to another ship

use 6 ships at a time bc oil cap exist

12-1 is better for exp, 12-4 is better for gold

choose base on what you want more

you are scope creeping a lot, and that is not it

you only scope creep when you hit chapter 12

there is a reason to why it is suggested to speedrun to that place

[vivid barn]

I'll end up needing more exp for research atm, I've been farming the retro mats in hard mode which I thought stopped at like chapter 8 or 10 or something like that

[south bison]

ignore ignore and ignore

go to chapter 12 first

chapter 12 is easy as fuck, you dont need any of them

as long as your levels are higher than enemies, your levels are good enough

[vivid barn]

aren't there also drops I need to farm for eventually later on like bunker hill?

[south bison]

it doesnt really matter by how much

[south bison]

ignore

they are for collections

all of them except yuudachi

[vivid barn]

I'm a collectionist....

[south bison]

ignore yuudachi until you reach chapter 12

[south bison]

yeah you can always farm them later no?

[vivid barn]

true

[south bison]

right now is to get to a place where you can farm for collection

so your account doesnt lag behind further

before chapter 9 right, every single day not rushing chapter 12 is a day wasting

you can farm in like chapter 9-chapter 11 tho

[vivid barn]

well I'll probably push to there tomorrow when I wake up and re set up my fleets

[south bison]

but those arent as good as chapter 12

[south bison]

ignore all the faction fleets that you have built thus far and clear them all

put up the 2 fleets i mentioned

and start pushing immediately, make sure your equips match this site

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

when a equip is not mentioned, it is either a lower rarity of already displayed equip or its trash

[vivid barn]

but like the other person said, dont worship it correct?

[south bison]

you can check it as a frame of reference

generally, if a ship is in tier N

they are fucking burning pile of trash

if a ship is tier EX, they are some of the best in the game

but you also need to know when to use each ship right

unicorn is placed on tier EX not because she is good at boss fleet, it is because she is good at mob fleet as a healer slot

a boss ship can go to mob, but most mob ships wont go to boss (excluding w14)

notice how perseus and some ships are labeled mob fleet

it means they are unusable on boss fleet most of the time outside of w14

but you see how a ship is labeled boss ship

they can go to mob any time of the day

they are just better at bossing

but yes, do not worship it, but at the same time, it is a really good frame of reference until you know what you are doing

[vivid barn]

are the boss fleets also good for meta showdown? or the siren bosses you can fight at the end of the guild quest things?

[south bison]

ignore it and push to w12 first

after you get to w12

farm until all your rainbow ships are lvl 120 or lvl 125

[nimble merlin]

meta showdowns can be ignored for now
w12 > everything else rn

[south bison]

then check tierlist to see who is high tier

if ship is tier 0 tier 1 or tier ex, take them into consideration for levels

ask in the help chat too if you wanna just make sure

this entire game's gameplay loop is just farm the same stage over and over until your oil runs out or morale hits low

then repeat this process everyday, and keep it up for years

that is how boomers are born and why their accounts are cracked

swap a ship off if they hit lvl 120, or lvl 125 if you intend to 125 them

but for you right, you just farm for collection once your top tier ships are maxed right

[vivid barn]

after I do W12, I intend to get every ship up to 125 and mlb.... well all those I have access to, I'll eventually get around to doing the special perm events as well

[south bison]

not every ship to 125

only lvl 125 your best rainbow ships

other than san diego and warspite

those 2 are not good enough to 125

you only 125 a select few

rest on 120

[vivid barn]

how come? is it just not an option?

[south bison]

material too rare

[vivid barn]

ah as is all new rare materials

[south bison]

only lvl 125 the ships that will fucking carry your fleet

like new jersey and musashi

but ya

[vivid barn]

what about the daily raids? I know ignore until W12 but would the mob fleet work? or would the boss fleet be better?

[south bison]

by the endgame you will usually have like a few hundred ships at lvl 120

[south bison]

either works

you can 1 tap finish the dailies

so do that

[vivid barn]

isn't that the only place you can get the 125 lb materials? in the every day daily raids?

[south bison]

oh and one more thing right, you dont need submarines at all until chapter 14 and arbiter hardmode (the super boss in the center of map in operation siren)

so you can just ignore them until you have the best options and is ready to optimize furtherr

[south bison]

yeah basically, you wanna do it

and you can insta finish it

also once you clear chapter 12, farm until you have a better mob/boss fleet, then do chapter 12 hardmode

[vivid barn]

any other recommendations for 2 more mob fleets? or a second boss fleet and another mob fleet to aim for after I hit W12? for OPS?

[south bison]

ignore ignore and ignore, go to w12 first, after you clear w12 and farm all your rainbow ships to max

after you max all rainbow ship and most of the tier 0, ex, and 1

you then make 3 boss fleets and 1 mob fleet in opsi

bc you only ever use 1 mob fleet at a time

[south bison]

also also, only invest in unicorn/volga/aquila/klaudia for healers

you only ever use 1 or 2 of those 3

if your unicorn is already maxed, ignore perseus, shouhou, ryuuhou

perseus/shouhou/ryuuhou just not as good and unicorn is not a good pair with any of them (you do too little dmg and preload overkills)

for mob fleet, either use only unicorn, or unicorn + aquila/volga/klaudia

unicorn too cracked

basically, the logic to why is bc you want to maximize your damage rather than maximize your heals

because killing stuff faster = less dmg taken = less heals needed

[vivid barn]

so I've heard from a friend who only really uses royal and sakura ships, he's mentioned how unicorn just full heals his team

[south bison]

yeah, unicorn retrofit is fucking CRACKED

she hit harder than most dps focused ships on mob

you dont realistically want any additional heals on top of her

and the reason why i mention aquila/volga/klaudia is bc they are primarily dmg dealers rather than healers

the world is an unfair place and unicorn is above pretty much every cv on mobbing healer slot

[vivid barn]

so use the 2 fleets you recommended, get to W12, then farm basically all the ex, 0, 1 ships to 120 and mlb on top of those 2 fleets, and then I can let my collectionist habits kick back in basically and go back to what I've been doing for the past like 4 years?

[south bison]

as for the matter of faction fleets right, ill explain in more detail: think of them as fleets that look cool instead of performing the best

its like cosplaying

you can do them, but know that they are often much worse than actually optimized fleets

[south bison]

yep yep

you also dont need like to farm for years

you can finish pr ship exp collection in 2 days in w12

and uh, for farming ship drops right

just 1:1 with like unicorn and shimakaze

and after a few days you get the drop

i farmed every drop ship in the game and it took me like 1-2 month in total, its really not that bad

[vivid barn]

I'm sure I'll see that here.... also I'm assuming the meta faction fleets wont work as a boss fleet for OPS even though they all boost stats against sirens? also also they just aren't on the tier list I'm just realizing

[south bison]

they will work just not that well

if you want optimized fleet for opsi, you can ask in gameplay help later and make another thread

most of opsi dont require full optimization but optimization makes shit easier

and in arbiter hardmode it is incredibly hard to do it with faction fleet unless you know exactly how to counter the boss

for example optimize against light armor when the arbiter is light armor

optimize against medium armor when the arbiter is medium armor

etc

basically: knowing how to counter enemy mechanic matters the most

[vivid barn]

oh does it change armor type or something every time you fight it?

[south bison]

it changes armor type every month

opsi resets every month after you finish story mode

so like uh, you know the game story right

where the world gets destroyed and loop back to beginning

its like that, so opsi resets every month

you have to redo all the stuff and explore the entire map again, every month

but after the first time, you unlock auto explore and you can pay 5k oil to make auto explore run as many times as you want

and the rewards are, TREMENDOUS

[vivid barn]

wait what?..... is that the reason the meta ships are the way they are? they didn't reset and came back to help the commander to prevent the same outcome?

[south bison]

ya basically thats why they so edgy kekw, they came from a destroyed world

also meta bosses change every few months

[vivid barn]

well shit I wasn't expecting that.... I figured something like that when looking at the faction itself with the description of their personality and how they talk, but I never got to that point in OPS so I didn't know

also so I should use the fleet builder to gear everyone up? or is there a tier list this site has for gearing my fleets?

[south bison]

the tierlist i sent you give equip suggestions

just follow it

[vivid barn]

in the fleet builder I'm assuming?

[south bison]

in the tier list

like if you click open a ship

[vivid barn]

oh shit ok

[south bison]

it will tell you what to do

when you see an equipment behind an equipment

it is a sidegrade

click on dat equipment and it will rotate

[vivid barn]

oh so if you dont have that equpment, you can use that one instead

[south bison]

dont worship this tho, some are outdated, and once you become a boomer you do what is best in the stiuation

rather than uh

following this

bc specialized fleet always >>>>>>> general fleet

[south bison]

ya

this is what happens when you optimize to the extreme

this is on queen elizabeth meta

[vivid barn]

level 15?

[south bison]

ya

it will take a long time to learn the mechanic of bosses/maps

but it is worth it

100%

[vivid barn]

wait did you just finish it off in one go? or was that just one run? it usually takes.... well my hms fleet 5 attempts for hiryuu which i'm doing through dossier

[south bison]

mostly you just ask in help chat and ppl will explain to you

[south bison]

ya just 1 shot kill

goes in and kill in 1 go

doing 1.6 million dmg (boss total hp)

and my runs has a 80% success rate to kill in 1 go

this is the power of optimization

[vivid barn]

so that just goes to show how un optimized of fleets I have damn....

[south bison]

at least you are in gameplay help now so its a good direction

first step is to go to the right source of information

[vivid barn]

I've been lurking for quite a while because I've been looking out for the events and what not

[south bison]

keep in mind many ppl are pepega tho, so only trust active boomers

ppl get corrected pretty quick in this chat if they are wrong or misleading

so ya

[vivid barn]

so damn..... well I'll get to working on getting to W12 soon.... probably some time this weekend or sunday for me as that's the next day I have all the time in the world to get there.... I'm just mindblown over how optimized that fleet is...

[south bison]

generally, once you learn boss mechanic and what ships are good in what situation, you just swap fleet on the go

depending on the endgame scenario

youll get used to it, it sounds horrifically difficult, but this game is just the process of learning and optimizing

this game is the most complicated gacha game ive played

[south bison]

https://streamable.com/lr4064

here is a vid i made on fights

and you can see how they run in action

[vivid barn]

jesus the skill explosion right at the beginning....

like my KMS fleet does that but damn....

well thanks again for the help, I'll be working on that, and then I'll probably be back, for other fleets, and general idea's on where to go from there after I get to W12...

[south bison]

ya, you can also take a break from pushing campaign after chapter 12

can just slowly learn the mechanic of chapter 13 and 14 before hand

then come in with the best fleet you can put up and eat both world in 1 go

[vivid barn]

when does hard mode end for the retro mats again? that was the whole reason I was farming the hard mode nodes in the first place

[south bison]

hardmode ends at 12-4

so after you beat chapter 13 theres no chapter 13 hardmode

[vivid barn]

so use those fleets to beat all nodes from where I'm at all the way up to 12-4, and then take like the next week to 3 star all the nodes, and then I can go back to collections and starting to clear OPS and everything else, also the 5k ops clear is going to be something else

[south bison]

you can 3 star all of them as you push

on lethal

with the fleets i gave you bc they are so strong

saves a lotta time

[vivid barn]

oh that's another thing I think I have enough gold gear mats to up some equipment but they aren't lit up is there a reason for that or do you need some sort of absurd amount of the gold mats to upgrade the gears? or do you have to clear something like OPS?

[south bison]

you just need more mats

[vivid barn]

ok so there just ins't some sort of requirement at least to get to first before upgrading the gear to OPS bonuses, got it

[south bison]

see the game tells you how many you need

and for the plane before you can just craft it in gear lab too

[vivid barn]

oh not there, I was meaning in the enhancements

[south bison]

this?

[vivid barn]

yeah

[south bison]

ya you need a lot of gold plates

there is a priority list for what to +13 first

[vivid barn]

oh so an absurd amount got it, I'm assuming OPS clearing is going to help that?

[south bison]

clear them every month and continue for years

[vivid barn]

the grind never ends....

[south bison]

also go to guild shop and buy gold plates twice every week

[vivid barn]

yeah I've never used the gear lab and I'm assuming I'm about to use it heavily....

well thank you for the info, I'm going to getting to work on that, and I'm sure I'll be back eventually to fully optimize all my ships and everything

[south bison]

ya also being active in the chat helps learning this game a lot

a lotta new stuff are being discussed daily

[vivid barn]

like I've said I've had it for a few years, but never got into it that heavily just mainly did the collections and shit, but now that I know this, I'll def get to W12 and start farming and getting all the ships up a lot faster

oh what about subs? or just ignore them for now? or just use what's in tier 0 for the sub tier list

[south bison]

read here