#My painful fleet aka how to learn that for your 4 years of playing you did everything wrong
formal prism
probably gearing issue
ruby wyvern
f1 mobs f2 cv f3 ap f4 he
chrome spade
this is like peak meta besides 4th fleet
what's up with the gearing then 
formal prism
which boss
ruby wyvern
probably gearing issue
don't really think that is an issue when i have best gears for specific role on them
ruby wyvern
which boss
healing
soft coral
did you miss yorktown2 implacable?
formal prism
you can nuke out a self-healing BB enforcer in one fight
ruby wyvern
is there a way to have all gears with all ships on one screen or do i have to screenshot each of them separately?
ruby wyvern
did you miss yorktown2 implacable?
have both
formal prism
which boss
ruby wyvern
i honestly have all ships
soft coral
can use azur lane fleet tool
elder musk
its definitely gearing if youre struggling on abyssals
soft coral
i honestly have all ships
including PR5s at D30?
ruby wyvern
_which boss_
the siren opsi one who is healing itself idk name
elder musk
these fleets should easily take out harbiter
soft coral
is it possible for a boss to have both shield and heal mods
ruby wyvern
including PR5s at D30?
all pr ships but not all on 30
chrome spade
the heal tag can apply to like any of them, what's their hull 
formal prism
did this month's arb have heal?
formal prism
because heal is just a random tag on any abyssal
elder musk
harbys cant have heal
ruby wyvern
the heal tag can apply to like any of them, what's their hull <:PortDoll:5855852...
i don't remember 
formal prism
and you can oneshot any abyssal with those fleets, even with heal
also this is cursed
ruby wyvern
i'm working on cats atm so that's why they are not equiped
fervent coyote
it's called not giving an F about cats
formal prism
it doesn't matter just give them like any cat for token stats if you don't have anything ready
elder musk
your guns dont make sense for the fleet
formal prism
cursed
elder musk
you want all 3 champyguns
formal prism
457 also doesn't sync
elder musk
agir wants a fast torp
formal prism
doesn't fit shelling timings for slow
ruby wyvern
i have to move rn be back in 30 mins probably
fervent coyote
this makes absolutely no sense
formal prism
it doesn't, so it was a gearing issue
formal prism
maybe he missed it, maybe he didn't raise her 
fervent coyote
they said they have pretty much everyone
formal prism
but those fleets should still have 0 issue with any C6 abyssal
ruby wyvern
Also i was using comunity tier list for gearing ships and always picked the gear that was said best for specific role that's why now i don't understand why is it bad but i like to learn
fervent coyote
uhh
formal prism
ectl recs is dogshit for OS comps
it's a "generic" guide that doesn't work well for endgame
elder musk
it works fine if you read
formal prism
that's part of it yes, but I don't think ectl recommended rainbow quints on agir or 460 on NJ either
fervent coyote
this is typical OpSi BB fleet set up
but yeah the reason that setup sucks is everyone is out sync
your fleet comp is set up to stack buffs but because of the gearing you basically end up stacking nothing
formal prism
at a glance none of the BBs will shoot when radar proc, that's super cursed
fervent coyote
I don't want to know what the CV set up looks like
formal prism
I don't either
ruby wyvern
took me a little longer but now i'm here
ruby wyvern
maybe he missed it, maybe he didn't raise her <:WarShrug:927391788325556275>
lvl100 atm
ruby wyvern
that's part of it yes, but I don't think ectl recommended rainbow quints on agir...
it's on same position as prototype tripple 406
and that is based on comunity tier list second best AP gun in that tier list that is why i picked it
after twin 457 mkA
fervent coyote
not really
the 460 is functionally useless for syncing
and I don't recommend it for most content due to how slow it is
fervent coyote
top to bottom doesn't mean best to worst
you need to look at each individual gun and determine which is best for the situation you find yourself in
ruby wyvern
text says best great good
fervent coyote
again that means jack
fervent coyote
again gearing changes depending on the content your tackling
formal prism
guide doesn't list based on use with other ships or for specific content
your BBs had 0 sync and none of them would fire when Helena procs
ruby wyvern
my whole life was a lie
fervent coyote
no you didn't read the guidelines and took everything at face value
formal prism
this is typical OpSi BB fleet set up
take this as reference
ruby wyvern
it's too hard for me to figure how this syncing works even after 4 years when this is all i used for gearing
fervent coyote
you want your BBs to fire when Helena procs her radar scan to take advantage of her debuff
you also want Vanguard to fire first and Musashi and FDG to follow in quick succession for similar reasons
formal prism
also ideally when using VG she should go first because her barrage is another damage buff
ruby wyvern
is there a way to learn this gearing power?
formal prism
bottomline you want to just look at the reload times on the ship's equipment screen
you want BB guns to fire ~20s
460 is going to be in the 25+ range
twins are going to be 16-18
ruby wyvern
would anyone of you be up for a call and whole explanation + me sharing my stuff with you to learn how to do it properly?
formal prism
which is why in most cases we just use champagne gun or mk6/mk7
just start by giving FdG NJ and VG champagne guns first
formal prism
CV is a far bigger mess because launch time is based on individual plane reload and slot plane count
ruby wyvern
at this point i'm afraid to send other fleet gears
formal prism
practically speaking you only need to know how to gear these 2 fleets
ruby wyvern
and here i though i was doing it right
formal prism
if you have Implacable swap her in where Ark Royal is, I assume you're still leveling her if you do
ruby wyvern
would anyone of you be up for a call and whole explanation + me sharing my stuff...
would anyone be down for this because it's kind of hard to do screenshot of every ship separately
formal prism
we can deal with CVs later
you can literally solve the sync problem by just giving them all champagne guns
fervent coyote
formal prism
(there are other fine tunes but that is the bottom line)
fervent coyote
here's a list a of a bunch of set up for Implac plus Nano/Haku and Yk2/Enty
ruby wyvern
My painful fleet aka how to learn that for your 4 years of playing you did everything wrong
formal prism
just put ectl aside first
each piece of weapon has its own base reload time
of that, the triple 406s and 410s have the best base reload time to sync up the current top end BBs with Helena proc
it's not that complicated they all just end up with similar enough reload time to go with the buff(s)
fervent coyote
play around with these to figure out what works and what doesn't
ruby wyvern
my cv fleet
ruby wyvern
just put ectl aside first
each piece of weapon has its own base reload time
of t...
what is ectl
soft coral
they look like mobbing cvs
fervent coyote
eh
soft coral
u just dunno opsi
fervent coyote
exactly what I exepcted TBH
ruby wyvern
https://thebombzen.moe/azur-lane/cooldown/battleship/
don't understand and don't know how to use this
soft coral
click it and read it
ruby wyvern
click it and read it
i did
soft coral
ruby wyvern
i did that didn't understand numbers
soft coral
posted at bottom
formal prism
what is ectl
tier list
ruby wyvern
i don't even know how to enter relevant bonuses i tried for example njs skill that give 10% reload buff if she have EU ships
fervent coyote
that falls under reload percentage buff
formal prism
Increases this ship's FP by 5% (15%) and RLD by 1% (10%)
NJ just straight gets a 10% reload buff
ruby wyvern
i get where to put them i don't get when they work
fervent coyote
ruby wyvern
for example as i mentioned with nj skill idk if it works only if she have full fleet of EU ships or just one other EU ship for example
fervent coyote
it's just one other lmao
formal prism
Increases this ship's FP by 5% (15%) and RLD by 1% (10%). If this ship is sortied with another Eagle Union ship:
she gets her RLD buff regardless, if you send with USS ship(s) ++
ruby wyvern
yeah i'm dumb with those things that's why i want help with it
fervent coyote
if she needed more than one it would have specified
formal prism
reading comprehension
ruby wyvern
reading comprehension <:PortDoll:585585241142591535>
language barrier
soft coral
hmm, if second language, then ok
formal prism
like I said don't think too much about BBs
just give them champagne gun you'll have roughly the right timings
ruby wyvern
just give them champagne gun you'll have roughly the right timings
what if i want perfect timing tho
fervent coyote
Musashi uses the Tripple 410mm but that's a minor difference
Champaign gives gives you nigh on perfect timing lmao for BBs
formal prism
there's no perfect timing because the ships will have minor desyncs, they don't all have the exact same reload, and when you get to Musashi she wants a different gun
and the game isn't hard enough to need to set them all in perfect order
high onyx
@ruby wyvern Let's not be using slurs in here, least of all while trying to bypass the filter friend
ruby wyvern
this is also partialy confusing when it said still worth using
ruby wyvern
<@336785129223618560> Let's not be using slurs in here, least of all while tryin...
i was only refering to myself tho
high onyx
That was not part of the instruction
soft coral
that's rated last of the three choices
ectl vaguely lists things from top best to bottom most budget
ruby wyvern
i'm not using slurs on others
formal prism
this is also partialy confusing when it said still worth using <:UniHurt:5886296...
just leave ECTL alone
it's not an OS fleet guide
ruby wyvern
why isn't 457 rainbow that good and why do i have three useless versions now
soft coral
mmm, read the descriptions in full before complaining here
formal prism
it's not a bad gun, it's just not good at everything
ruby wyvern
mmm, read the descriptions in full before complaining here
i did tho
soft coral
so incomplete 
ruby wyvern
extremly high shelling dmg and decently low reload
formal prism
ECTL gear descs are not helpful for OS fleetbuilding
for the last time just stop looking at the tier list gear recs
fervent coyote
the 457 can't sync with Helena
and you usually can't more shots off to justify using it over the Champaign gun even when not trying to sync with Helena
it's a glorified mobbing/ barrage gun
it's a good gun but not a universal weapon by any means
ruby wyvern
why is 533 quad better then quint rainbow on shima?
formal prism
it's kind of sidegrade
ruby wyvern
and why does she have staag and no rainbow AA gun
formal prism
the quint fires 1 more torp but you get the same damage/torp, the spread also means the extra torp usually flies off into the horizon especially if for boss
so it doesn't actually do more damage besides the 20 higher TRP, and you end up taking longer to reload
needless to say it's also more expensive to enhance
ruby wyvern
my whole game experience was worthless till now 
it actually really hurt seeing how all of my investment up until now was useless
formal prism
it's not necessarily worse, Shimakaze also gets double preload so she can squeeze more out of the quints than average torp boats
ruby wyvern
this is typical OpSi BB fleet set up
so if i can should i go all into this gear or is there something else to change because ye i am able to regear them like that
formal prism
just swap like that first you probably see a pretty visible difference
if you need to fine tune more then maybe ask again
ruby wyvern
and also let's say i would put implacable into my cv fleet what is the difference between using beacon and not using beacon because rn i'm looking at the first two fleets in here and i well except for using beacon and 4 planes they are almost same
ruby wyvern
https://x94fujo6rpg.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/?AFLD=No4BgXQGnbb4BmMB2MAOMUAsntcQE5...
here
and about cv fleet is everything else on vanguard ok?
formal prism
beacon is just 4% off your reload time for airstrikes
normally you won't use it on Implacable for OS because she'll be the fastest of the 3 with proper plane loadout
I mean you could give them augments but the gear is mostly ok
ruby wyvern
when we are talking about augments is augment made for specific ship for example Eugens or Bels one best in slot always or sometimes are better the ones avalible for all ships
formal prism
usually but most of those aren't ships you'll be really using
the top meta ones probably aren't going to get gold augments any time soon
ruby wyvern
is scepter best for cvs?
formal prism
generally yes
ruby wyvern
so if i put on all three of mine it would be ok or does someone want bow?
and why the heck do they need to have some medieval shits of equipment and not something more modern
formal prism
evasion tends to be more useful where the difficulty matters
bow skill will struggle to proc in most places that are not ch12 or 13
not that sceptre is much better but still
anyway that BB fleet should be enough to babysit you for a bit, maybe take some time to look at how the shots line up and buff timings, before you try to think any harder for CVs
CV syncing with Ark Royal is going to be easier than Implacable because her slow lasts pretty long, just swap planes around and see how the timings look like before you move on to Implacable
formal prism
with modern gearing should be able to oneshot or at least get significantly higher... can't test that though
ruby wyvern
also should stop slacking on my musashi despite her being my most favorite ship of the game i haven't lvled her up till now that much
formal prism
anyway I need to hit the hay, play around with the BB fleet first, even for META, maybe start a new thread if you need more help with CV
ruby wyvern
same goes for implacable
ruby wyvern
anyway I need to hit the hay, play around with the BB fleet first, even for META...
thank you a lot that goes for all of you i'll try my best
ruby wyvern
well atm this is my dmg on soaryuu meta
I guess after regearing it's little bit better around 200k dmg more but i still need to build implacable her gear is ready but lvl is gonna take a little while
