im looking to build 4 fleets for op siren. primarly with the goal of being able to handle strongholds and abyssl sirens. i have not really ever built fleets with with express purpose before so its something new to me. i have read the fleet building guides on the wiki for regular content and opsi and am looking to put something together. gimmie just a sec to grab the screenshots for the dock for what ships i have available to me currently
#OpSi Baby's first attempt at building fleets intelligently (please be gentle i'm frail)
steel venture
I'd focus on getting FdG to Dev30, seeing as she's missing a star
nocturne current
I'd focus on getting FdG to Dev30, seeing as she's missing a star
its where most of my coins be going rn
sacred verge
let's start with something simple.
yuudachi is 🚮
flat timber
until retrofit, yeah
steel venture
Yeah unretro yuudachi is 🚮
flat timber
shinano, enty, implacable, kazagumo, sirius + tank is a very strong fleet
another could be nagato + akaga or nagato + cranes but if youre short on coins/bulins i wouldnt invest into them
nocturne current
the foxes and nagato are already up and good to go so i should be able to use them pretty quickly
that first fleet would be good for bossing yes?
flat timber
to be honest the first fleet is pretty bad
theorethically lots of buffs inbetween all of them but in practice its just not enough
not to mention z23 cant tank unless you manual
nocturne current
shinano, enty, implacable, kazagumo, sirius + tank is a very strong fleet
nono like the first fleet you mentioned. this one
nocturne current
im well aware that the german fleet is waaaaaay outdated at this point
flat timber
sirius can be replaced with anything really
but youd want a 3rd ijn ship, be it tank or offtank
nocturne current
mayhaps atago since i have her leveled then?
flat timber
sure, but thats just temporary
replace as soon as youll get something better
not that theres a lots of choices that come to my mind
nocturne current
so we would be sitting on something like.. shinano flag, enty and implac off flag. then roon for main tank, kazagumo and then atago?
flat timber
yeah that sounds alright
was about to say maya offflag with her new augment, but thats an option for when you have abundance of resources
nocturne current
really? her new augment has gotten her that much better?
flat timber
not really
its just that you dont have many ijn options to fulfill shinanos need
and mayas AA has apparently gotten decent with the aug
nocturne current
i see
nocturne current
yeah, fdg not being beaned up has been something of a problem for me
shes dev level 26 iirc
so we arent horribly far out
flat timber
dont worry, i havent used a bb fleet until musashi came out because my options were horrible aswell 
a good mobbing fleet+one good bossing fleet is a nice start into opsi, then you fill other fleets with whatever highest lvls you have
and everything up to hard arbiter should be easily doable
nocturne current
thats good to know. with what ive been running with ive been having a hard time getting through abyss zones that are above corrosion lvl 4
nocturne current
i... was using 1 and 4 for mobbing
flat timber
do you have hoods augment done?
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then backline is fine i guess as it is
wait
do you not have independence or did i miss it
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ouch
well not for bossing i guess but in general you do want her
shes amazing mobber and has a crossfleet buff for cvs
which makes her perfect for opsi mobbing
nocturne current
so her buff can make the boss fleet better then too right?
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correct
nocturne current
yeah that'd be usefull
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buffs all cvs in other fleets
nocturne current
ill start saving up core data to pick her up then
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definitely worth
alright let me look at your dock again so we can try to fix mob fleet
suzutsuki instead of yuudachi for sure
maybe saint louis instead of neptune when shes dev30
and ideally your goal would be yat sen + anshan + suzutsuki(unless i missed you having chang chun)
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shes in light pool permanently
nocturne current
oh jeez the wiki said only durning the chinese new year event shes there
silly wiki
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its anshan thats available only during cny
but you have that already so its good
with yatsen+anshan 3rd slot is really anything that has high damage and can offtank honestly
also anshan is very useful literally everywhere if you dont fight heavy armor opponents
and yatsen is an incredible mobbing tank if paired with at least one other dragon empery ship
nocturne current
the good ol chinese wall
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and has decent damage on top
nah its not a wall anymore
ping ning yatsen was a wall
yatsen + anshan/chang shreds enemies
nocturne current
ill have to keep doing my lite builds then to try to pull chang
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but ofc it needs some investment since retrofits + missiles for ddgs
nocturne current
yeah itll be a time before i can do that
so saint louis can main tank for mob fleet?
nocturne current
oofta
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just no t6/5 abyssals and no arbiters
otherwise its just one fleet
but thats mainly for convenience
nocturne current
give me just a sec to put this all together and see where we are at
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sure
nocturne current
So we got
Boss
Boss
Mob
wasnt sure what to put for the vangaurd for the bb fleet
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monarch works in bb fleet only when fdg fs5
otherwise both prefer flagspot
bb frontline looks fine except london might die often
also not sure if izumo needs a flagspot or not
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also whats that in mob offtank slot?
nocturne current
belfast
nocturne current
i can switch izumo for graf zep
nocturne current
kinda where i was at on it too
flat timber
youd have to test it i guess
nocturne current
as far as the cv fleet is concerned i need to figure out gear timing too yeah?
to try to get the slow from implac before the other carriers launch?
flat timber
not necessarily first
her stop is good enough
just make them launch close to each other if possible
nocturne current
so just all of them together then?
yeah
okay
i could do portland instead of london if we are worried about her dying alot
kinda seems excessive tho
either way thats three very useable fleets for opsiren! with the goal of working towards anshan yet san retros and probably independence too
also gotta get that fate sim done for fdg for that fleet to really work
flat timber
lots of upgrades can be gotten from pr
so its rather a matter of time than gacha luck
nocturne current
yeah i understand that really i just need to get all the pr ships done up and ill really be sitting in a good spot at that point
flat timber
unfortunately for a top meta bb flert youll be missing core units for quite some time
nocturne current
yeah 
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but at least youve got meta cv backline
nocturne current
missed out on vangaurd and mushi and new jersy
nocturne current
either way even with the meta bb's not avalible for me i still can do something with fdg for the time being to make a decent bb fleet
flat timber
sure
nocturne current
and like you said my cvs are gunna be good so thats nice
flat timber
but when you see your cv results youll probably stop using bbs for a while
as in opsi bossing fleet, not in general
nocturne current
shinano already makes me feel that way i can only guess how itll be once i have all the pieces in place lol
well!! thank you so much for the help! i really appriciate it
flat timber
no problem, enjoy
oh btw
about the pr ships
you dont really need to do all of them
just the key ones
flat timber
for example i still didnt finish my izumo
all pr4s are outstanding altho you dont really need avp since you have implacable and marco is a mobbing bb
pr5 its plymouth>harbin>brest>chkalov>rupprecht
pr3 becomes kinda obsolete once you get plymouth and/or harbin with the exception of cheshire which is a good tank/aa carry
nocturne current
Ah so just big long grind to get donr
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but her damage is really good
except you wont really find an available slot for her if you have key ships of pr4/5 done
nocturne current
That makes sense. Just the other ones are better and more useable
flat timber
plymouth is a must have for bb fleet
so is agir
so it just leaves one slot which is usually helena
nocturne current
Aaaaahh that makes sense for the debuff
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azuma is a decent choice aswell since she can be coined
nocturne current
So should I just like... Ignore pr 1 through 3 then and just start going at 4 and 5 hard?
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4 mainly, yeah
if you have the tech points to start agir/ancho/haku, go for it and leave pr1-3 for future when youll have spare time to complete collection or get less impactful ships
4 also has the best rainbow piece of gear
followed by 5's quad 152
nocturne current
I'm sitting on a whole bunch of the xp things for the later prs so I should be able to punch through and get them pretty quick
And that's just cuz cls are good and carriers are good yeah?
flat timber
thats usually not recommended
because xp grinds are the easiest part
you usually convert the xp things into protocore to buy gear in shop
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to be fair cls mostly are not THAT good
its just that recently we've gotten really good ones
plymouth is in league of her own
harbin is very strong
nocturne current
I just figured it was that way cuz drake gun is only a ca gun and most people have told me generally CA's are just for tanking besides some of the very good ones
flat timber
yeah thats correct
im close to be playing 3 years and got my first drake gun like a month ago
nocturne current
I played a ton up until pr3 came out then took like a 3 year break basically and came back to a totally different game
flat timber
guess i wouldve gotten it earlier but i never needed to grind and use drake
nocturne current
When I left drake and Odin were borderline op at the time
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odin is still good
but mobbing competition is quite big
just like azuma is still very good but barely anyone uses her because agir/kronshtadt/brest exist
nocturne current
It makes sense that the newer stuffs gunna be better. It's just wild to see how much things have changed. Like that ol German fleet with bisco was meta once upon a time lol
In the days before pr
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3-4 months more and we'll get pr6
flat timber
i used to be behind too, just getting to a comfortable spot right now
took quite some time
nocturne current
Just means I have lots of fun to come!
flat timber
sure
and you shouldnt get walled by any content with current dock and available PRs
well gear plays a big part in all of it too