FDG vs Musashi | Helena META | Azur Lane Official | Page 1

open charm Mar 17, 2023, 9:30 AM

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used yk2 in last four fights cause i figured warkai absolute CD was in the way of fdg 4th salvo
didn't make much of a difference

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gear

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honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 9:40 AM

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seems legit

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consider me surprised that a 406mk7 instead of a 406mk6 is enough to make fdg better than sushi vs light

open charm Mar 17, 2023, 9:46 AM

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Blessex

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 9:52 AM

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testing
musashi with hpfcr just whiff the 1st shot cuz helena zoom

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like fdg firing time is usually when helena stand still while musashi is the opposite

sand glade Mar 17, 2023, 10:00 AM

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Ehhssex i was running that exact same backline but i got much worse results with twin 410 on sushi and 406 mk6 on fdg and did much worse huh

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i even had supports like helena did u manual or sth

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:09 AM

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Okay so conclusion is helmet is just a bad boss to test on because she move too much
First run is Musashi whiffing entire first salvo cuz I ran hpfcr, the rest are black shell

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it really depends on RNG

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FDG has +13 mk7 btw

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you know what
im gonna try DDG to see how bad BB are whiffing

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why am I not suprized

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+11 mk6 uvh

sand glade Mar 17, 2023, 10:25 AM

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im surprised that couldnt one shot

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:26 AM

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cuz helena just move too much for a BB PortDoll

sand glade Mar 17, 2023, 10:28 AM

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actually if u ran like poi or sth for first slot would it one shot ShimaThink

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:28 AM

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you think poi gonna survive?

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we running triple BB

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and helena lazer deal dmg in even in time slow

sand glade Mar 17, 2023, 10:29 AM

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doesnt the laser hit the entire vanguard at once tho

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:29 AM

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yes but the tank will always sink first due to taking damage before her lazer move

sand glade Mar 17, 2023, 10:30 AM

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~~just manual~~

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:30 AM

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no

sand glade Mar 17, 2023, 10:30 AM

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try harder hitting tank ig?

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like agir

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:38 AM

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i'll be checking paper dps brb

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okay I close my case

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all using mk7 except 3rd line

sand glade Mar 17, 2023, 10:49 AM

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im surprised nj is that low on light

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 10:50 AM

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what hit rates are you assuming

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:50 AM

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100%

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 10:50 AM

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yeah exactly

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:51 AM

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no i mean 100% as in the target doesn't move
HIT is still active

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 10:51 AM

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yes that's what i mean

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that's why i dont think paper calcs showing fdg>musashi are reliable

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:52 AM

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well I also include burn dmg in there so

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burn dmg fdg is higher

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 10:53 AM

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melena might have some weird phase issues but she's a far better test for this than magic paper

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:53 AM

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another thing is that fdg is way less consistent than everyone here
that is just her average

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 10:53 AM

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because of how big a deal i think hit rates are when you consider unsupported bbs against each other

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:54 AM

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in a real battle there won't be much diff really
they are about the same

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 10:55 AM

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that's not what i saw in 14-3 boss

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:55 AM

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so you wanna try campaign too?

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 10:57 AM

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i chose melena as a single target boss to even things out because im acknowledging that my experience would have given musashi an advantage because of the significant non-boss enemies

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but as an indicator i think it's plenty enough to say that your paper calcs arent accurate

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:58 AM

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when was paper dps accurate again?
oh right when the target doesn't move

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 10:58 AM

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so why bring it out in the first place when you know it's meaningless

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?

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:59 AM

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if moving is taken into account then well you know pretty much all CV sucks

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if you want I can manually slow helena down

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 10:59 AM

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and i thought u were arguing ur paper calcs arent much different from a real battle

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 10:59 AM

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or just fire 1 single salvo

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 10:59 AM

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or are you not

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:00 AM

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if you want I can fire only 1 salvo and see the result

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should be enough right

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:00 AM

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no? why would that be a valid test

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:00 AM

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why wouldn't it?

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I'm running none hpfcr musashi
so she's also 4 salvos

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both 4 salvos

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if you run hpfcr with twin 410mm musashi then you see the result in first pic

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:03 AM

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fdg misses out on her barrages in between salvos

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:03 AM

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you mean the proximity barrage?

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i can just clear the planes

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:04 AM

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yes

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no

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im saying that over the course of a fight her prox barrage might be a small but significant amount of damage

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:05 AM

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so you're saying fdg is better now?

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:05 AM

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no

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:05 AM

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since in helena meta

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the only time backline take dmg

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is when she launch aircrafts

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like the last 45s is nothing

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fdg is already missing out the barrage

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:05 AM

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im saying that i think a full run is more valid than a single salvo

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:06 AM

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why is that?

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:06 AM

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ive already explained why

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:07 AM

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okay where
i may have missed it

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:08 AM

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if you want to settle this do some more full runs alternating musashi fdg flag and wait for the variance to average out

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give them both double shell

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:08 AM

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giving them double shell means fdg miss out on 4th salvo

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thats literally telling fdg to lose

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and flag or not does not matter
I have fdg fs5
If you remove musashi from flag she can only be worse because she miss the sword slash
while fdg still do full dmg no matter what

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if you want then sure
I'll remove musashi from flag and see if she does better

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all my runs are with fdg off flag, musashi flag btw

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:12 AM

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so your gearing was double shell sushi, hpfcr fdg

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:12 AM

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yes

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both dont run augment

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:15 AM

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yeah ok

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im happy to agree with your quick test that fdg fs5 and sushi are roughly equivalent in actual usage against a light boss

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i just dont see your paper calcs showing fdg being better ever translating irl

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:19 AM

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oh you forgot the part where I said fdg is not proccing her proximity barrage after a certain time

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helena dont attack your mainfleet
she only send like 2 plane waves

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the paper calcs is with the barrage proccing often

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:20 AM

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yeah nah, im still not seeing it

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do you have a boss where you think thatd be significant

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:21 AM

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thats you then
I rest my case
they are equal if fdg not better

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im already out of oil

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:22 AM

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because fdg never did better than sushi in 14-3 for me, and that's despite her constantly getting her barrage off

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:22 AM

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did you try both in boss or mob?

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:22 AM

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replacing each other as boss flag

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:24 AM

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lemme check the 14-3 spawns

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Okay I would be suprized if Musashi doesn't do better EntyLUL

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:26 AM

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yeah i know it's pretty skewed in her favour

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but in some ways i think most of the content where youd be running anti light would skew her way to a lesser extent too

sand glade Mar 17, 2023, 11:28 AM

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i just realised this but wouldnt fdg be better than sushi on light since she can hel sync better than sushi with twin 410

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:29 AM

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id be surprised if there was a fight where your idea of fdg's prox barrages saving her works

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:29 AM

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that is true yes
but he wants to compare them alone

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:29 AM

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sand glade i just realised this but wouldnt fdg be better than sushi on light since she can...

yeah that's an obvious fdg win

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:29 AM

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oh you think fdg barrage is weak? EntyLUL

sand glade Mar 17, 2023, 11:29 AM

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ill use fdg then problem solved no need to argue AmagiSpeeeeeen

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:30 AM

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no, i think the amount of content where she gets it off enough and the content where musashi's kit gets some advantage overlaps

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:30 AM

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so what was the question again
who is better on light armor?

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and now you compare them based on content?

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:31 AM

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wdym now

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:32 AM

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honest fern no, i think the amount of content where she gets it off enough and the content w...

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pick one
light armor or overall content

honest fern Mar 17, 2023, 11:33 AM

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it's meaningless to talk about who is better against light armour in a vacuum

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of course i was considering content

light sail Mar 17, 2023, 11:33 AM

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then I would be suprized if someone say fdg is better EntyLUL

sand glade Mar 19, 2023, 6:07 AM

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light sail okay I close my case

mashiron does this include barrage, armour break, etc or just shelling

light sail Mar 19, 2023, 6:19 AM

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everything

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burn also count

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