Chapter 14 Fleet Help

[neat acorn]

these are the ships that I use mainly

[sullen sedge]

first of all looks like youre using a wrong healer and underlvled at the same time

[neat acorn]

should I be using a healer other than perseus or unicorn?

[sullen sedge]

isnt ryuuhou in fleet but uni/percy out

that was my assumption

[neat acorn]

oh no that's just for my current fleet I'm running for the event stages lol

[sullen sedge]

but anyways, use unicorn+ryuuhou/volga for mob fleet

[neat acorn]

so ignore the fleet stuff

[neat acorn]

hmmm okay

does the vanguard matter?

should I put in AA focused vanguard ships?

[sullen sedge]

nah

up from 14-3 you need asw gear

[neat acorn]

so rather than repair kits use sonars?

[sullen sedge]

nah, never sonars

hedgehog on one dd

and an asw plane on uni

one purple depth charge on another dd/cl if you really struggle

[coarse tundra]

wait a bit lemme pull out the fleet builder

[neat acorn]

I might have to check on that lol

[sullen sedge]

im at 1% battery so might disappear any second

[neat acorn]

lol fair enough

[sullen sedge]

anshan+chang chun + a tank is good frontline for mobbing all throughout w14

[neat acorn]

I don't really have hedgehog though probably because I can't beat the supply line raids

I never really built my submarines lol

[sullen sedge]

do you need to beat sub thing for the hedgehog?

[neat acorn]

I think you need to clear the supply line once to get hedgehog

[sullen sedge]

do you have royal fortune?

[neat acorn]

uhhh yes I do

just not built though lol

[sullen sedge]

well thats your cheat button

for sub weeklies

[neat acorn]

hmmm I'll probably have to build a bit more before I attempt chapter 14 then

[coarse tundra]

hmm you have aquila/impero/volga?

[neat acorn]

I don't have aquila but I plan on getting her in this event

[coarse tundra]

k

[ocean crow]

can confirm this mob fleet works for 14

[sullen sedge]

as in triple cv?

[ocean crow]

It's not good but it works

[sullen sedge]

but muh crossfleets

[neat acorn]

welp I don't have volga lol

[coarse tundra]

idk something like this works
you missing lots of ships

[neat acorn]

I don't think I have impero either

well I have only been playing for maybe 1 year not counting the breaks I took

I missed four UR events back to back

[sullen sedge]

just use ryuuhou as secondary healer

[neat acorn]

hmmm I do have all of those ships

[coarse tundra]

cuz I made it from your dock

[neat acorn]

a full dd/ddg team though?

[coarse tundra]

yes that works in w14

[sullen sedge]

its fine for w14 mobbing

i progressed w14 with dd/cl mob vang

altho these days i just use kron/brest as a tank

[neat acorn]

kron is one of the four UR events that I missed

the worst one was NJ event because of the event shop and the UR gear

[sullen sedge]

kron is easily replacable

[neat acorn]

are there other SR ships that can tank as much as kron?

[sullen sedge]

yatsen

yatsen + ddgs is a good vang for w14 aswell

[neat acorn]

hmmm that means i'll have to retrofit and level her up then

[sullen sedge]

and overall maintanking w14 mob isnt a big issue honestly

the fleet mashiron gave you should work

[neat acorn]

hmm okay

what about boss fleets then?

[sullen sedge]

w14 is usually more about backline pressure than frontline

musashi, shinano, indep/enty / agir, something, ancho

[coarse tundra]

boss fleet is just usual stuff

use rudder if backline dying

also you don't need ASW before 14-3

[sullen sedge]

kitakaze/suzutsuki should work as "something"

[neat acorn]

rudder on a backline?

[coarse tundra]

yes

[sullen sedge]

especially in 14-3 yeah

[neat acorn]

I've honestly been used to seeing rudders used on a frontline

[sullen sedge]

thats true

but w14 has a shitton of backline pressure

[neat acorn]

yea I guess that makes sense

[sullen sedge]

and less frontline pressure

once you get it to safe you can ditch defensive auxes on backline

[neat acorn]

so should I do maybe implacable/shinano/musashi then?

[sullen sedge]

should work

id rather indep instead of implacable tho

[neat acorn]

hmmm do slows not matter for bossing in chapter 14?

[sullen sedge]

slows dont matter for campaign overall

just use parallel tbs

[neat acorn]

so like wyverns?

[sullen sedge]

yeah, best choice

14-3 has double dd boss so torps arent the highest part of your damage anyway

14-4 has a lot of mobs before actual boss

14-2 maybe could use convergings if you happen to lack damage and can guarantee hits

14-1 is whatever and you should steamroll it with a proper fleet

[neat acorn]

would agir, anch, and kita work for bossing?

[sullen sedge]

yeah

[neat acorn]

what should I do if kita ends up being too squishy?

idk if it's just me but kita usually dies out fast for me

[sullen sedge]

try suzutsuki then

[neat acorn]

even with a rudder and a repair

[sullen sedge]

dont use a rudder on dds

[coarse tundra]

why are you using rudder on dd

[sullen sedge]

second toolbox is better

but if you squeeze kita between agir and ancho it should be fine

can also do a musashi/shinano/aquila healer for full safety

[neat acorn]

just thought maybe a rudder would help with sustainability problems

just like how you told me to use rudders on main fleets

[coarse tundra]

[neat acorn]

might try that too

[coarse tundra]

when did I say use rudder on DD?

[sullen sedge]

diminishing returns makes rudder on dds quite bad

no, thats his way of deduction which kinda makes sense if you dont know about diminishing returns

[neat acorn]

I never said that I'm just saying how you told me to use rudders for sustainability issues in the main fleet if needed. I did the same to DDs

[sullen sedge]

but yeah, just another 500hp+ aux on dds instead

[neat acorn]

honestly didn't think there were any but I can't say much since I don't look in too deep with gears

I'm pretty bad with strategizing as it is so

[sullen sedge]

dds have very high evasion stat so they dont really benefit from rudder

[neat acorn]

hmm fair enough

[sullen sedge]

while backline has really low eva

[neat acorn]

I'm guessing the diminishing returns you're talking about is the soft cap?

[sullen sedge]

i dont really know the numbers behind it

[coarse tundra]

okay just think simple
low eva = rudder good
high eva = rudder bad

[sullen sedge]

you can forget rudders skill proc since its not realiable and its timed so cant work around that

[coarse tundra]

the evasion cap is 90% if you're wondering

[neat acorn]

90% of what?

[coarse tundra]

[sullen sedge]

90% chance of evading

[neat acorn]

honestly I've never looked at evasion in a percentage aspect

I've only looked at the ships stats and saw the numbers

[sullen sedge]

because you realistically never need it

you dont build anything to be at 90% since its an overkill

[coarse tundra]

most ships can't reach 90% so dw

[neat acorn]

so I'm guessing there's some super complex formula that converts the ship's eva number stats into a percentage?

[coarse tundra]

yes

[neat acorn]

welp lol

[sullen sedge]

not sure if its that complex, but yeah

[neat acorn]

would I ever run into a case where some DDs just have bad eva compared to other DDs?

[coarse tundra]

well not really
it also takes into account enemy accuracy stat and level differences and luck

[sullen sedge]

some dds have low eva compared to other dds yeah

but they usually compensate for that with higher hp pool

[neat acorn]

so how do I know what's a low eva and what's high?

[coarse tundra]

just look at their eva
if it's under 150 you can use rudder

[neat acorn]

fair enough

I'll take a big mental note of that

[sullen sedge]

are there actually any usable dds that are below 150

[coarse tundra]

dw no DD has below 190 EVA except for bulins

[neat acorn]

so 95% of the time no rudders on DDs because of high eva

[coarse tundra]

like pretty much 100%

[neat acorn]

I think I have a lot more rudders than I know what to do with then lol

[sullen sedge]

less gear swapping

[neat acorn]

would rudders on DDGs be okay though or no?

[sullen sedge]

nah

[coarse tundra]

same thing

[sullen sedge]

theyre like around 250

[neat acorn]

that's still annoying even with the new system

[coarse tundra]

they have high eva

[neat acorn]

203 is still high?

[sullen sedge]

its low but okayish

[coarse tundra]

remmeber
under 150

[sullen sedge]

low for a dd*

but not low enough to use a rudder

[neat acorn]

does under 150 apply to any ship no matter the type?

[coarse tundra]

yes

[neat acorn]

I'll use that as a rule of thumb from now on then

[coarse tundra]

eva calculation is the same for all ship type

the lower their eva, the more effective rudder is

[neat acorn]

I've been playing casually this whole time so all of this is new to me lol

[coarse tundra]

only exeption we have seen is Harbin with over 180 EVA while being a CL

[sullen sedge]

i mean harbin is basically a dd

[coarse tundra]

ya

[sullen sedge]

just with a cl tag

[neat acorn]

currently building her as we speak

[ocean crow]

Harbin still prefers washing machine

[coarse tundra]

cuz her HP pool is above DD tier

tbh why am I even explaining
where mebot ehp sheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HF6_hLEB8m_v0stp4DLGnIoDjgojvo7fjYz-cysjTMc/edit

[neat acorn]

damn the damage reduction from rudders really only accounts to an average of 2.67%?

[coarse tundra]

2%

[neat acorn]

yea I'm getting my numbers mixed up

I guess 2% is still something lmao

[coarse tundra]

but ye just create a copy and mess around with it
you'll see why DD never use rudder

[neat acorn]

okay but what is eHP?

I don't understand that terminology

[coarse tundra]

effective HP

meaning how much dmg they can take on average without the RNG of evading

[neat acorn]

so the more hp the better the gear and modifiers work?

something about DAMAGE = HP times modifiers (damage resistance/ammo/armor type) = effective hp

[coarse tundra]

read doc 2

ehp is explained there

[neat acorn]

ahhh

that's interesting

[neat acorn]

so this is assuming that the 50% evasion chance is always true